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post May 5 2023, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(babisotong @ May 5 2023, 08:46 AM)
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this car shouldn't be allowed to enter highway with 110kmh speed limit.. 101kmh max? what a joke.
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Agree. Bigger concern they get complains of brake failures since 2021. Still happening to newer Neta U SUV this year.

It is not about EV or ICE now. It is please ensure the basic safety function is reliable.

Mandarin news unfortunately, can use Google/ChatGPT translate.

https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/599395212

https://news.yiche.com/hao/wenzhang/64198458/

https://auto.sina.cn/zz/hy/2021-10-22/detai...tml?vt=4&pos=25

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post May 5 2023, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(babisotong @ May 5 2023, 08:46 AM)
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this car shouldn't be allowed to enter highway with 110kmh speed limit.. 101kmh max? What a joke
2 air bags only you know... if faster , cannot imagine how safe it wil be for the driver and front passenger already.

SOME currently sold in Malaysia ICE cars are still equipped with only 2 air bags but don't curb speed, and they are quite popular still. So this is an alternative for that car segment's buyers.

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post May 5 2023, 03:04 PM

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post May 7 2023, 10:40 AM

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Ready or not , more to come

https://www.carlist.my/news/confirmed-toyot...23-92996/92996/


https://vulcanpost.com/785425/smart-1-compa...icles-malaysia/


https://www.dsf.my/2022/09/volkswagen-id-4-...ia-from-rm228k/

Most unsure about ID 4 though

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post May 8 2023, 08:00 AM

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yesterday(sunday - 07/05/2023) i go to Maeps Motorshow.

The best EV rear seat will go to ORA Good Cat from GWM and the best ergonomic goes to KIA EV6..

ORA rear seat damn comfortable however i'm not sure how you will feel on long journey since it's quite soft.
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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 15 2022, 07:49 AM)
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...ts-implications

Perhaps removal of fuel subsidy even played gradually will be the pivot point that will push things in the direction
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gov also subsidy electric right? in the end will electric also goes up? sweat.gif


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QUOTE(vez @ May 8 2023, 08:05 AM)
gov also subsidy electric right? in the end will electric also goes up? sweat.gif
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For the current government , you only need to worry if....you are T20

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/657124


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QUOTE(babisotong @ May 8 2023, 08:00 AM)
yesterday(sunday - 07/05/2023) i go to Maeps Motorshow.

The best EV rear seat will go to ORA Good Cat from GWM and the best ergonomic goes to KIA EV6..

ORA rear seat damn comfortable however i'm not sure how you will feel on long journey since it's quite soft.
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It is undeniable the EV is future trend of automotive industry. The current concern mostly because of charging infra and range problem but these can be solved in near future.

Those who concern of charging infra, mind to ask where are the places the TNB not reachable? If you talk about jungle then don't buy it if you live long in jungle. As long as got 3 pin plug we can use it to charge the EV car, just matter of how long it takes. 1hr can give 3kwh, yes it will take about 24 hours to get about 70kwh but at least it still can charge. If we install 7.6kwh charger at home it will shorten by half.

Concern about range then we have to think about the EV battery technology. In the past there is only lithium available but battery tech move rapidly. There are many innovation on battery with many variants such as lithium, LFP, LMFP, sodium, semi-solid state and in the future solid-state battery. For ICE people talk about engine tech but in EV people concern about the battery tech.
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EV will not come.
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Miti is expecting 4000 charging points this year. Imaging 5 years time it will be at least over 20k charging points or maybe even surpass 30k points. This is for public and not include private charging point for household. I predict most if not all petrol stations will ready with charging port in future.
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Many people keep complaining 400km range is too low should have at least 500km or even 700km range. I guess this might achievable in future. But for now 400km WLTP is reasonable. How many people really travel 150km per day, probably less than 10%.

Some concern KL bad traffic and cause more energy loss if driving EV. The concept of EV is almost upside down compare to ICE. EV give more range in city traffic and less range in highway cruise. In bad traffic the energy loss more in ICE and EV is less. ICE in bad traffic the engine is keep running to pull the fans belt to provide electricity to power electronic and also aircond.

2.0L idle for 1 hour is about 0.16 gallon (0.6L) without aircond. Assuming with aircond is 0.20 gallon per hour or 0.75L, it will be RM1.54 per hour stuck in traffic.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-8...diesel-vehicles

While in EV the most consuming energy is aircond during idle or bad traffic. Imagine household non-inverted 1hp aircond is almost 1kwh, but car cabin is much smaller. Even if include all electronic stuffs and makes it at 1kwh during idle or bad traffic, it is only RM 0.571 per hour. So driving in City and bad traffic the EV is much saver than petrol even though Malaysia petrol is cheap.

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post May 8 2023, 11:39 AM

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EV with 300 ~ 500km range is extremely suitable to drive here.

Tons of EV owner shared how far they got and etc, so far it's extremely good.

i wonder how many people drive more than 800km 1 way to blik kampung.

since our interstate travel usually is less than 500km, it's extremely suitable here.

You use 90% battery one way, let it charge 1 or 2 night using 3 pin point at kampung, enough to go back.

EV also extremely suitable to drive daily especially at Klang Valley since there is traffic jem everywhere.


Also we don't need to worry about snow/cold temperature which degrade battery life faster.


IF Neta EV quality improved, EV will be getting more and more popular here in Malaysia.


IF i can afford 1 by cash, i will take it in a heartbeat.

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post May 8 2023, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(babisotong @ May 8 2023, 11:39 AM)
EV with 300 ~ 500km range is extremely suitable to drive here.

Tons of EV owner shared how far they got and etc, so far it's extremely good.

i wonder how many people drive more than 800km 1 way to blik kampung.

since our interstate travel usually is less than 500km, it's extremely suitable here.

You use 90% battery one way, let it charge 1 or 2 night using 3 pin point at kampung, enough to go back.

EV also extremely suitable to drive daily especially at Klang Valley since there is traffic jem everywhere.
Also we don't need to worry about snow/cold temperature which degrade battery life faster.
IF Neta EV quality improved, EV will be getting more and more popular here in Malaysia.
IF i can afford 1 by cash, i will take it in a heartbeat.
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This is provided the advertised range is achievable in real world, that is not NEDC/CLTC range. We need to adopt WLTP standard range that is closest to real world practical usage.

Our government should pass a rule that all vehicle be it EV range or ICE fuel economy to be based on WLTP. Car dealer, marketing PR, car reviewers need to adhere to the regulation.

NEDC range is bloated, need to reduce at least 20% to be comparable to WLTP.
Worst case is sometimes review articles quote CLTC range, especially the Wxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxcar that has no shame of copying other country works without providing credits.
That is misleading some readers (if not most) that are not aware of different testing standards, they only see the number, put standard in quote also they don't know what is that.

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post May 8 2023, 06:36 PM

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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/665911

1.98% Interest rate for EV purchase!

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Mar 15 2022, 07:49 AM)
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/cove...ts-implications

Perhaps removal of fuel subsidy even played gradually will be the pivot point that will push things in the direction
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Yes that's the main reason. Fuel is damn expensive at Thailand until they need to buy EV to counter the fuel price. Here, it just too cheap plus subsidy
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QUOTE(babisotong @ May 8 2023, 11:39 AM)
EV with 300 ~ 500km range is extremely suitable to drive here.

Tons of EV owner shared how far they got and etc, so far it's extremely good.

i wonder how many people drive more than 800km 1 way to blik kampung.

since our interstate travel usually is less than 500km, it's extremely suitable here.

You use 90% battery one way, let it charge 1 or 2 night using 3 pin point at kampung, enough to go back.

EV also extremely suitable to drive daily especially at Klang Valley since there is traffic jem everywhere.
Also we don't need to worry about snow/cold temperature which degrade battery life faster.
IF Neta EV quality improved, EV will be getting more and more popular here in Malaysia.
IF i can afford 1 by cash, i will take it in a heartbeat.
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Read 1 post, he need to drive 90-100kmh to get that specified range. Else it drop the range until get an anxiety. So the EV still ok for city drive but can give more anxiety for long distance
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post May 9 2023, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ May 9 2023, 05:58 AM)
Yes that's the main reason. Fuel is damn expensive at Thailand until they need to buy EV to counter the fuel price. Here, it just too cheap plus subsidy
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The ball on subsidy targeted removal or reduction is already rolling...

https://www.carlist.my/news/targeted-fuel-s...ed-94079/94079/

I am in Energy Business so I should know.

But government of the day introduce carrot and stick so you will just need to find the carrots since it is year of rabbit.

Before the stick hit you... HARD.

A lot of big businesses already got hit by the big stick some January this year.

Below is just some of the affected industries

https://themalaysianreserve.com/2022/12/20/...riff-surcharge/

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/649490

https://www.thesundaily.my/business/misif-a...sion-EL10397074


https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2022...-business-group


Also the increase in income tax rate for T20 group [by 0.5 to two percentage points for the income tax bracket of RM100,000 to RM1 million for about 150,000 Malaysian folks] is a taletell sign for more to come.


https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/656686
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post May 9 2023, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 8 2023, 09:55 AM)
It is undeniable the EV is future trend of automotive industry. The current concern mostly because of charging infra and range problem but these can be solved in near future.

Those who concern of charging infra, mind to ask where are the places the TNB not reachable? If you talk about jungle then don't buy it if you live long in jungle. As long as got 3 pin plug we can use it to charge the EV car, just matter of how long it takes. 1hr can give 3kwh, yes it will take about 24 hours to get about 70kwh but at least it still can charge. If we install 7.6kwh charger at home it will shorten by half.

Concern about range then we have to think about the EV battery technology. In the past there is only lithium available but battery tech move rapidly. There are many innovation on battery with many variants such as lithium,  LFP, LMFP, sodium, semi-solid state and in the future solid-state battery. For ICE people talk about engine tech but in EV people concern about the battery tech.
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East Malaysia only particularly challenging. But then again if Indonesia can do it, we must not say nay


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