https://carbuzz.com/news/kia-reveals-surpri...mprove-ev-range

Good pointer by Kia's research

That's why I strongly discourage people from getting any low cost urban EV from China.
In China they are in special sub-A segment category, even some of them have B/C segment physical size. The PRC administration is considering banning them on highway/ring road, as they not only have the range problem the slow acceleration after 60km/h and poor brake (long braking distance) also cause traffic jam and endangers other road users.

Those got into the fist fight are owner of these mini/micro EV, like the some Chery or GWM Black/Good Cat. Their common signature is advertise high 400-500km NEDC range, with not further details, and yet only have small 30-50kWh battery.

The proper cars with similar small battery like the Mini EV or MX-30 only get 200km+ range in WLTP.
The proper car with big 70-80kWh+ battery get 400km WLTP. Which translate to real world test of about 500km range in pure city driving, and about 300km range in pure highway driving.

You see who is making up the number?

Being said that, the high end EV will have less of the problem. Same 300-400km road trip higher/premium end EV need only 1 charge, or do not need charge at all. The urban EV is the one that need 2-3 charges, and fight for the chargers. In 5 years, those premium EV expected to get 500-600km WLTP range.

So the micro/mini EV owners fight for chargers, the premium EV owners enjoying the road trip.
In ICE world -> low power city car get better fuel economy
In EV world -> high power premium EV get more range

Looking at the development, the premium EV will forever get more range than the smaller EV. When the technology matured enough that if urban EV can actually do 400km (not the fake advertisement), the premium EV will be doing 800km, 1000km.

This post has been edited by constant_weight: Apr 10 2022, 12:18 PM

And before anybody start sharing the battery swapping technology. My take is that it's not gonna to work anytime soon. As magical as it sounds, it really doesnt make sense.

1. it is extremely expensive to build a battery swapping station, and it's useful service range is probably 10km radius, anything more than 10km is not practical for owner to use
2. extending from #1, it will take super long to get ROI on swapping station, and slow to build more station, especially so for smaller city and town
3. car owner are offered a battery subscription model. So they can actually buy car without battery, then they subscribe to the battery and pay monthly. During subscription, they can go battery swapping station to swap their battery. But subscribing to this is way more expensive than using petrol
4. There's no guarantee that all stations will work, some break down, then what happen?

It will only be feasible if China manage to unify all battery standard, size, and placement in all EV cars, so it's feasible for them to build battery swapping station as part of their infrastructure. But again, all cars are design and build differently, it's hard to imagine everybody building the battery in the same way. Even within the same company, for different car model, size, body, are they able to ensure their battery size and placement is all standardize? Hard also.

CATL is world's largest battery producer

This post has been edited by Lone Wolf X: Apr 11 2022, 12:26 PM

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Exciting much?

I wont go into EV if there isin't a charging station every 5km in KV and every 50km on highways...

Simple said, current EV is more suitable for short range drive.
If want to go on a long route travel better pick up normal ICE vehicle or Hybrid base.. See those rich people problem in US during festival seasons already knew what will come by.. LOL

There is always the option of charging using normal 3-pin outlet if really have emergency. It might take longer but it's not as bad as everybody think. Maybe 1 hour or 2 hour of changing should get you enough range to next charging station or go home.

I am more worried on the issue of congestion in the charging station when more people adopt EV and not enough charging station to cater. Also with the mentality of Malaysians, we all know people will hog charging stations and abuse them and so on.

I thought I am the only one who think this is not going to work.

There are too many cons that are not possible with today's battery tech. One more con is that a station keeping all the batteries will take up massive cost for the manufacturer. Imagine they need to keep like 100 spare batteries in a swapping station. One battery packs cost like RM10k and 100 x 10k = 1,000k. Also imagine the different type of battery to keep for different brand/model of the car. However, with the advancement of battery tech further, it might eventually work, just not at this moment.

is there a thread here for this particular brand "Appollen EV"?

I don't think so.

Personal take, be weary of any "upcoming" EV until you see real numbers form more mature EV markets.

Sweet deal, get it while the Cash voucher offer last.

Are you booking one?

Unfortunately not looking at purchasing a car at the moment.

I saw one electric car last weekend in PJ when driving on the roads. I think it's BYD if I'm not mistaken. Looks pretty cool.

If it is BYD Atto3, it would be quite easy to spot becauss it is quite popular now...


https://soyacincau.com/2023/04/10/byd-atto-...stone-ev-sales/

1000 delivered in 100 days

Yes, likely that's the one. It looks modern and nice. 1000 delivered in 100 days would be 30 units sold in 1 month. Pretty good I would say.

The vehicle is not exactly cheap, RM150k for standard model and RM168k for top spec model. Looks like more people are beginning to embrace the future.

That is right because none can really sticks to being an ostrich and hide your head beneath the ground and say future is not coming all the time.

I USED TO THINK 150K OR EVEN 168K IS QUITE A LOT OF MONEY to ask for car but then i look at a plate of chicken rice and a pack of nasi lemak or a plate of mee goreng these days and realize what inflation is.

Also, more on BYD....

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/node/663720

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this car shouldn't be allowed to enter highway with 110kmh speed limit.. 101kmh max? what a joke.