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Ramjade
post Dec 31 2021, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 09:08 PM)
Suggest you to diversify. "All" in US isn't very healthy. Plus post-2026, if tax on foreign income for individuals resume, and no MY-US tax treaty, then dividend income will be taxed heavily.

Anyway, off-topic.
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Never bet against quality US companies. Long live the US. Or if you want to precise, don't bet against QQQ.
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post Dec 31 2021, 09:41 PM

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I suggest diversification, not saying not to invest in US. You can do that, but not all eggs in one basket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_effect

QUOTE(dwRK @ Dec 31 2021, 09:30 PM)
with a tax treaty... both governments follow the bilateral tax agreement

without a tax treaty... Malaysia will use its unilateral method to asses tax credit

both calc on tax credit looks about the same... I just glance over few weeks ago so can't recall for sure, but you can look it up... so it's not really "taxed heavily"... don't go scaring ppl lah... hahaha
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How does the unilateral method work? That means the government decide on itself how much not to tax?

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post Dec 31 2021, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 05:13 PM)
My assets are nowhere near 100k  laugh.gif
Mins sharing your discount rate, duration of investment, and future value (or present value)?
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What are you talking about? Keep it simple. Just open up a compounding calculator and key in all details. My duration have always been 10-20 years time. I counted with dividend even a 30 year timeline + my current salary, no way can reach a million. But with options, I can reach it in say 10 years if I am doing it consistently. Key here is consistently.


QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 05:57 PM)
He is a rich guy and has good stomach for volatility. tongue.gif 100 shares for one option trade. AAPL, MSFT etc. easily in the 100-300 USD per share range, which amounts to 20k USD per trade, factor in diversification of 4-5 counters, 100k USD or 400k MYR.

I have no regrets, seeing NVDA go up 10% a day and 10% down the other day, compared with S-REITs which barely move above 0.5% in a normal day, the extra return from options is called "risk premium" for a reason.

Anyway risk profile differs from people to people.
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Bro, you should know by now I am not rich. If I am rich, I wouldn't have find creative ways to not pay the banks but simply give them free money.

As long as you buy quality companies, nothing to worry about. That's why my goal for 2022 is DCA in Adobe or Google once a month.

How do you think I build my portfolio? Careful investment for years and trading in my dividend stocks for high quality US stocks when I realised I am a fool for not buying quality us companies.

If I tell you I am currently earning half of RM10k, from my current salary, will you believed that? Anyway up to you to believe or not.

QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 08:14 PM)
My view is a bit different. The only astute investor is the finance controllers of the company. They are the true insiders who can price securities exactly. There isn't any alpha (over the long run) for a typical active fund managers, let alone retail investors. 

When I have a big account, I will make sure the private bankers stay far away from me first. laugh.gif
Even if you choose 7-10%, the discounted present value is still way above my current assets. 6.5% p.a. is about my current IRR, though I am aiming for 7-8% in the long run. 

It's total return here, not just dividends. Capital gain + current income = total return
"Well-off" student? biggrin.gif Nowhere near that. 100k as in MYR. I wished it's USD.

Happy new year to everyone.
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Actually wrong. Management is the one who make or break the companies. They don't have pricing power but market is the one who determine how much it's worth.

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post Dec 31 2021, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 09:41 PM)

How does the unilateral method work? That means the government decide on itself how much not to tax?
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correct... the gov tries to be fair and not to penalize ppl unnecessarily...

So in the absence of a bilateral treaty, they apply I think same calculation as if there is a treaty...
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post Mar 11 2022, 06:42 PM

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https://phl.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/KM_HASiL..._PENDAPATAN.pdf

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20220311/%e7%a8%...be%81%e7%a8%8e/



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post Mar 13 2022, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Mar 13 2022, 09:50 PM)
More confusion. Typical malaysian policies.
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post Mar 14 2022, 10:10 AM

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So the foreign income tax is still jalan?

Never cancel at all.
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post Mar 14 2022, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 14 2022, 10:10 AM)
So the foreign income tax is still jalan?

Never cancel at all.
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foreign sourced foreign income... continue exemption

local sourced foreign income... always taxable but ppl continue evasion


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post Mar 18 2022, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 31 2021, 09:47 PM)
What are you talking about? Keep it simple. Just open up a compounding calculator and key in all details. My duration have always been 10-20 years time. I counted with dividend even a 30 year timeline + my current salary, no way can reach a million. But with options, I can reach it in say 10 years if I am doing it consistently. Key here is consistently.
Bro, you should know by now I am not rich. If I am rich, I wouldn't have find creative ways to not pay the banks but simply give them free money.

As long as you buy quality companies, nothing to worry about. That's why my goal for 2022 is DCA in Adobe or Google once a month.

How do you think I build my portfolio? Careful investment for years and trading in my dividend stocks for high quality US stocks when I realised I am a fool for not buying quality us companies.

If I tell you I am currently earning half of RM10k, from my current salary, will you believed that? Anyway up to you to believe or not.
Actually wrong. Management is the one who make or break the companies. They don't have pricing power but market is the one who determine how much it's worth.
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Hi Bro Ramjade..teach us what method u use for options consistently?
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post Mar 18 2022, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(leo_kiatez @ Mar 18 2022, 02:09 PM)
Hi Bro Ramjade..teach us what method u use for options consistently?
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He detailed it here: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=5204911
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post Mar 18 2022, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Mar 18 2022, 02:16 PM)
Ok, thanks bro..!
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post May 2 2022, 11:38 AM

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Oh rupanya there's a dedicated thread for this.

I'm guessing they are only delaying the tax till 2026 because they havent properly planned how to implement it sweat.gif

Even myself still blur and full of unanswered questions confused.gif

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post Dec 30 2022, 07:57 PM

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TAX TREATMENT IN RELATION TO INCOME RECEIVED FROM ABROAD (AMENDMENT) Guidelines published.

https://www.hasil.gov.my/media/p0lntthw/202...d-amendment.pdf

Media release (in BM): https://www.hasil.gov.my/media/u2fegfo1/202...di-malaysia.pdf

Sinchew reports: https://www.sinchew.com.my/20221230/%e6%b5%...9d%a1%e4%bb%b6/

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post Dec 30 2022, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 30 2022, 07:57 PM)
TAX TREATMENT IN RELATION TO INCOME RECEIVED FROM ABROAD (AMENDMENT) Guidelines published.

https://www.hasil.gov.my/media/p0lntthw/202...d-amendment.pdf

Media release (in BM): https://www.hasil.gov.my/media/u2fegfo1/202...di-malaysia.pdf

Sinchew reports: https://www.sinchew.com.my/20221230/%e6%b5%...9d%a1%e4%bb%b6/
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The amendment seems clear

Looks like companies have to be prepared to foreign income taxes come 2027👏
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post Jan 24 2023, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 30 2022, 07:57 PM)
TAX TREATMENT IN RELATION TO INCOME RECEIVED FROM ABROAD (AMENDMENT) Guidelines published.

https://www.hasil.gov.my/media/p0lntthw/202...d-amendment.pdf

Media release (in BM): https://www.hasil.gov.my/media/u2fegfo1/202...di-malaysia.pdf

Sinchew reports: https://www.sinchew.com.my/20221230/%e6%b5%...9d%a1%e4%bb%b6/
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It is likely to continue despite having a new administration: https://www.sinchew.com.my/20230124/%e5%ae%...ba%a4%e6%b5%81/
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post Jan 24 2023, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jan 24 2023, 11:33 PM)
It is likely to continue despite having a new administration: https://www.sinchew.com.my/20230124/%e5%ae%...ba%a4%e6%b5%81/
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Stupid zafool legacy.
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post Jan 25 2023, 02:31 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 24 2023, 11:51 PM)
Stupid zafool legacy.
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Even if Zafool is not around it will bound to happened as Malaysia govt is desperate new source of taxes 🤦‍♀️ to pay the 1.5 trillion debt

Won’t be suprise if GST will come around come 2025


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