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post Oct 31 2021, 06:24 PM

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Wait for the finance bill tabling next week.
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post Oct 31 2021, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 31 2021, 07:53 PM)
What day?
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https://www.parlimen.gov.my/bills-dewan-rak...uweb=dr&lang=en

According to last year's schedule, finance bill first reading will be on the Monday one week after the second reading of the supply bill (i.e. budget). Second reading will be one month after that.

Sorry I should mean one month after next week. Second reading is when the details will be known. First reading will just be title mentioned.
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post Oct 31 2021, 10:29 PM

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https://www.sinchew.com.my/20211030/%e7%99%...b5%b7%e5%a4%96/

So, tax experts say no need to worry about double taxation as those who are already taxed overseas can enjoy tax relief, and as long as the money does not flow into Malaysia then you don't need to declare tax. Just keep it in your offshore bank accounts.

That means I can look for money changer in SG to convert money into cash and bring to MY to spend when retire, as long as don't deposit large amount in bank, then LHDN won't know and no need to pay tax. tongue.gif

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post Nov 1 2021, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 1 2021, 07:50 AM)
just use your sg debit card lor... mastercard spot rate zero mark up... kaotim... dont need money changer

that time you already not Malaysian tax residence... why worry laugh.gif
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Mastercard fees very expensive, they earn like 8% when I pay for my HK SIM top-up using Malaysia debit card. I didn't know SG works differently?

When I retire in M'sia I am a tax resident since I will stay here more than 6 months (182 days).


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post Nov 1 2021, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 1 2021, 10:55 AM)
it's your bank lah I think... not mastercard

Mastercard has that forex conversion website... the rates about same as spot forex rates... then you add in any bank markup to calc your final bill. ..

Mastercard earn from the merchant... I forgot liau how much like 1-2%... is the bank then slaughter you with markups...
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 1 2021, 11:18 AM)
last I checked it says available... but really not yet launch
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 1 2021, 11:31 AM)
So you guys are saying no need to move money back, but directly use the "SGD debit card" from Wise or Revolut in any POS terminal in Malaysia? So when money is deducted in buying goods, it is deducted in MYR but internally is converted to MYR from SGD via Wise/revolut from SGD money deposited in Wise/revolut earlier? (which means wise/revolut functions like a bank account?)
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post Nov 1 2021, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 1 2021, 01:12 PM)
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Got uni class on that day, cannot join.
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post Nov 1 2021, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 1 2021, 02:14 PM)
My money have never been brought back to Malaysia. It's a one way trip. Been always like that since I started.

The question is even if I don't intend to bring back the money will it be tax? If yes how much?

We only know once the bill is clear.

Unless you want to chase air miles then use bank card. If you use bank cards Vs fintech, you instantly lose like 3% but you gain like 20% provided you know how to play the miles game.
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I have a question for you. You invest now in various overseas market to prepare for retirement right? Or at least some life goals in the future, I hope?

So that means at some point later in life, say for example when you retire, you need to spend those money that you invested, obviously they have to be brought back to Malaysia for you to spend on retirement, no?

Or you plan to retire elsewhere?

Or say that money is for your wedding, (you are still single? tongue.gif) then when you wed in M'sia, obviously you have to repatriate that money back to spend in the end.

So by hook or by crock, a portion of your money will have to come back to Malaysia anyhow in the future, you can't escape unless you go through the "illegal" route. Of course in the cases above, I assume the tax laws remain the same, which might not be.


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post Nov 1 2021, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 1 2021, 05:57 PM)
he using fuzzy logic with selective memory rclxm9.gif
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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/prop...says-tax-expert
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post Nov 1 2021, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 1 2021, 09:15 PM)
Bro, I have never withdraw my money for I think 7-8 years already. All my salary all dump overseas.

How to retire?
Simple. Use epf and savings.

I planned to move to new Zealand,, Canada or Portugal or Finland or Netherlands.

My savings rate already 75%. If I need something just save up for it. Remember my overseas investment are now self reliant already thanks to options. I don't need to transfer money overseas anymore and still can continue to invest and grow my wealth and still get cash flow to fund my investment account. Another perks of not being a dividend Investor. If I cont to be dividend Investor, I need to wait 12 years for it to happen or don't know how many donkey years.

But I do see having to pay tax on that. Hence I am going to register myself and vote after all this while. Retirement is a long journey. Say another 10 years time, 10 years time govt tax may change (highly doubt it) or govt change can happen. No one expect BN to lose right?

I expect they are going to piss off lots of online seller with that tax. So anything can happen.
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All the best with your plan. biggrin.gif Since you will retire elsewhere, then yes you don't need to repatriate your money back and won't likely get taxed.
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post Nov 2 2021, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 2 2021, 10:12 PM)
you can bs noobs lah... not veterans... lol

using visa and mastercard at pos/pss... where got connect to fpx?... totally different unconnected payment system... lol
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Well said. well said.
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post Nov 8 2021, 01:18 PM

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https://www.sinchew.com.my/20211108/%e8%94%...a8%8e%ef%bc%9f/

In short, wait for finance bill. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 8 2021, 09:07 PM)
The terms in Mandarin is not so accurate, but what they said is right : Msia practises the Territorial-based Taxation System and should not be taxing at source. At most, things shld be with reference to 'Remittance Base (RB)'. This RB method is not new, there are already models out there. Msia just needs to replicate that for this ctry.

If Msia starts to 'select' who gets what,... then becomes IRS ? Which ctry wants to implement Msia-styled W8-BEN ?  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

Call it W8-MAT ???  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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https://www.thesundaily.my/business/how-is-...taxed-AB8535064

So fast some tax consultants already can provide info... I think they are based on the older day laws.
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post Nov 8 2021, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Nov 8 2021, 09:30 PM)
The stupid thing with the LHDN income declaration form is that even if you have non-taxable source of funds (capital gains or profit distribution), putting it into any column of income will incur taxes.
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How come? Since it is non-taxable then cannot be taxed...
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post Nov 8 2021, 11:38 PM

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- (Wrong reading)

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post Nov 9 2021, 01:16 PM

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Finance bill first reading today.
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post Nov 11 2021, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Nov 11 2021, 01:54 PM)
just give it a shot
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You must be "big customer". I don't get that offer either. tongue.gif
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post Nov 13 2021, 06:30 PM

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post Nov 16 2021, 08:15 PM

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It's confirmed.

https://www.sinchew.com.my/20211116/%e7%a8%...8d%8a%e5%b9%b4/

https://phl.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/KM_LHDNM...LUAR_NEGARA.pdf

1st half of 2022 rate is 3%, no auditing done during that period.

Another "article"

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/look...nsourced-income

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