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 tax for oversea trading /dividend, its become more complicated

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post Nov 1 2021, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Oct 31 2021, 10:29 PM)
https://www.sinchew.com.my/20211030/%e7%99%...b5%b7%e5%a4%96/

So, tax experts say no need to worry about double taxation as those who are already taxed overseas can enjoy tax relief, and as long as the money does not flow into Malaysia then you don't need to declare tax. Just keep it in your offshore bank accounts.

That means I can look for money changer in SG to convert money into cash and bring to MY to spend when retire, as long as don't deposit large amount in bank, then LHDN won't know and no need to pay tax. tongue.gif
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just use your sg debit card lor... mastercard spot rate zero mark up... kaotim... dont need money changer

wise debit already in Japan... soon will be in sg... sg got a few local multicurrency fintech with card too...

that time you already not Malaysian tax residence... why worry laugh.gif

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post Nov 1 2021, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 1 2021, 08:18 AM)
Mastercard fees very expensive, they earn like 8% when I pay for my HK SIM top-up using Malaysia debit card. I didn't know SG works differently?

When I retire in M'sia I am a tax resident since I will stay here more than 6 months (182 days).
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it's your bank lah I think... not mastercard

Mastercard has that forex conversion website... the rates about same as spot forex rates... then you add in any bank markup to calc your final bill. ..

Mastercard earn from the merchant... I forgot liau how much like 1-2%... is the bank then slaughter you with markups...



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post Nov 1 2021, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 1 2021, 08:25 AM)
It's already in Singapore. Only stupid Malaydia does not have wise card.
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last I checked it says available... but really not yet launch
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post Nov 1 2021, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 1 2021, 11:38 AM)
So you guys are saying no need to move money back, but directly use the "SGD debit card" from Wise or Revolut in any POS terminal in Malaysia? So when money is deducted in buying goods, it is deducted in MYR but internally is converted to MYR from SGD via Wise/revolut from SGD money deposited in Wise/revolut earlier? (which means wise/revolut functions like a bank account?)
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correct.. . just spend like a tourist here lah... by that time myrsgd maybe 6:1 cheap cheap... hahaha

income tax ask "did you transfer/remit money back"... "no"... hahaha

anyways when you retire should be premier or private banking status liao... bankcard should be zero markup fee... so just use those directly lah... don't waste time with wise, revolute, etc... not only pos, can withdraw from atm also at zero fee... hahaha
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post Nov 1 2021, 01:12 PM

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post Nov 1 2021, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 1 2021, 04:25 PM)
I have a question for you. You invest now in various overseas market to prepare for retirement right? Or at least some life goals in the future, I hope?

So that means at some point later in life, say for example when you retire, you need to spend those money that you invested, obviously they have to be brought back to Malaysia for you to spend on retirement, no?

Or you plan to retire elsewhere?

Or say that money is for your wedding, (you are still single?  tongue.gif) then when you wed in M'sia, obviously you have to repatriate that money back to spend in the end.

So by hook or by crock, a portion of your money will have to come back to Malaysia anyhow in the future, you can't escape unless you go through the "illegal" route. Of course  in the cases above, I assume the tax laws remain the same, which might not be.
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he using fuzzy logic with selective memory rclxm9.gif
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post Nov 1 2021, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 1 2021, 06:25 PM)
MasterCard has hidden FPX conversion rate and it won’t be spot rate but overnight rate which sometimes can goes to up 0.5% higher together with bank charges be prepared to at least 1.5% markup for every transaction  doh.gif

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use visa... problem solved... lol
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post Nov 2 2021, 07:05 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 2 2021, 03:39 AM)
Cannot escape still got 0.5% on top of it  doh.gif
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you so sure got 0.5%? laugh.gif

and now visa dun have hidden fpx fee only mastercard? laugh.gif

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post Nov 2 2021, 07:10 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 2 2021, 02:41 AM)
It's just dream. Unlikely will happen. Might try Portugal though. Cause if US people can retire to Portugal, why not.

Anyway I am ready to pay tax even though I am bitter about it.
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a lot of old folks like to retire to cheaper n warmer climates

you get a lot of old folks in Florida for example

my Dutch friend bought a boat, retired to Spain...

imho... no need to migrate if skill set is good... just become an expat enjoy big pay n benefits
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post Nov 2 2021, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Nov 2 2021, 07:50 PM)
Both also 0.5% hidden FPX fee so can’t escape no matter how  doh.gif
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you can bs noobs lah... not veterans... lol

using visa and mastercard at pos/pss... where got connect to fpx?... totally different unconnected payment system... lol

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post Nov 3 2021, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Nov 2 2021, 11:50 PM)
As for being expat, I hope the Msia govt won't implement the new MM2H policy. It's kinda sucks.
That requirement better retire in 1st world country - why need to retire in Malaysia?

If you're a retiree and only have passive income, usually it isn't taxed (or not much) at the source  but if they
keep having those requirements, it's like going back to work.

And on top of that.. that's could be an income they (the govt) want to tax as per the new budget proposals
'coz the retirees have to bring it in as requirement for staying on that visa.
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i went and read up the mm2h... it is indeed nuts...

looks like it is changing from "for retirees" to "for holiday homes"... some of the requirements just too much
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post Nov 3 2021, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 2 2021, 11:10 PM)
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Well said. well said.
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some of the stuff he post is ok ah... not all bs... just that almost every post makes it like he expert... and other people dumb dumb... hahaha

anyways... this time I call his bs... I show my hand... hahaha
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and my bank charge me spot rate...1/0.2394601 = 4.17606 live fx rate... but I choose Saturday since no trading to lock down this variable

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post Nov 3 2021, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(mytrader @ Nov 3 2021, 12:09 PM)
Thanks for sharing , which card are you using btw ?
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visa debit

as for the mark up... it depends on your bank and types of account... they will have a pdf that discloses all the fees
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post Nov 3 2021, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(mytrader @ Nov 3 2021, 02:02 PM)
which SG bank are you with ? & was it applied online / without been in SG ?

I currently only have a CIMB SG account (open remotely via CIMB MY).

Thanks.
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it's a US bank opened when I was there
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post Nov 3 2021, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(mytrader @ Nov 3 2021, 02:02 PM)
which SG bank are you with ? & was it applied online / without been in SG ?

I currently only have a CIMB SG account (open remotely via CIMB MY).

Thanks.
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saw this for cimb sg atm card...

Local & Overseas Cash Withdrawal

Enjoy zero service charge for overseas withdrawals with your CIMB ATM card at over 6,000 CIMB ATMs regionally and any PLUS ATM globally. Additional service fee, which may vary from bank to bank, may be imposed by the ATM bank that you use for the withdrawal.

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post Nov 5 2021, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(kart @ Nov 5 2021, 10:26 AM)
Did you open a savings account, in Singapore branch of a US bank?

Sigh, that will be out of reach for many of us here.

Another method is to apply for BigPay Prepaid Card from BigPay Singapore. However, many of us cannot use this method, since we do not have residency status in Singapore.
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no. des why I don't talk about it because useless info for most ppl here

I've looked high n low...and no way to open a foreign bank account anywhere because we don't meet conditions... there are crypto/fiat wallets and cards but fees are no good

the only virtual bank ppl have had some success opening is N26 Bank...
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post Nov 8 2021, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Nov 8 2021, 10:11 PM)
Because there’s no column for non taxable income.
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only need to declare taxable lah... non taxable why need to put?
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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 8 2021, 09:23 PM)
https://www.thesundaily.my/business/how-is-...taxed-AB8535064

So fast some tax consultants already can provide info... I think they are based on the older day laws.
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dun waste time n energy reading all these vis-a-vis the new law... they still writing it... everyone is just speculating... hahaha

my simplistic view is... got foreign sourced kangtao... good lah... tax exempted until ye2021... enjoy while it last... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kelvinlym @ Nov 8 2021, 11:35 PM)
I asked LHDN before on the phone and via email. They told me to declare. I already emphasised that I have funds coming from overseas but they are capital gains. I get some boiler plate answer. I called and same thing. Sumber kewangan yang tidak dikenakan cukai perlu dilaporkan. Ask where to put, they say put at lain-lain pendapatan. But put there will increase tax payable. Then I gave up.  Anyone can give a clearer answer will be appreciated.

That is why this is stupid.
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i c...stupid answer lah

IRB told my mrs in a face to face meeting if non taxable no need to declare in ea form and submission...
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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 11 2021, 04:28 PM)
You must be "big customer". I don't get that offer either. tongue.gif
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i think ppl who has borderless gets the invite...

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