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post Dec 31 2021, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:23 PM)
thank you for Info.. so many ppl must've transfer $ back till CIMB SG also KAPUT..!!!

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/i-dont-kn...banking-service
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It shows one thing.
CimB sg rates are good until too many people use it to do last minute transfer until it crash!
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post Dec 31 2021, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 31 2021, 02:38 PM)
It shows one thing.
CimB sg rates are good until too many people use it to do last minute transfer until it crash!
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yes rates is good.. also easy to transfer. Immediate!!
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post Dec 31 2021, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(mikhailcbh @ Dec 30 2021, 08:01 PM)
Good news. Up till 2026. Its best to exempt from tax to encourage money inflow to Malaysia
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post Dec 31 2021, 05:08 PM

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post Dec 31 2021, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 31 2021, 01:38 PM)
Yes. it is possible.

Same as you, I always think it is impossible. After doing some calculations and executing the plan, it proves to be possible.

1st target at 3 figure. After success, 4 figure. next 5 figure, 6....
When it disrupts your plan of financing, we need to think seriously.

The uncertain policy, U turn and changing rule each yrs is annoying. That is also the reason why I have to not put everything in 1 basket.
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Simple finance calculations. 1 million in 2026, assume compounding rate of 6% p.a., shall we. PV*(1.06)^5 = 1 million, PV = 747,258 (about 750k).

My assets are nowhere near 100k laugh.gif

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 31 2021, 01:42 PM)
For me, I counted, it's impossible with dividend investing. With options in the other hand, very much possible. Hence the switch.
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Mins sharing your discount rate, duration of investment, and future value (or present value)?

This post has been edited by TOS: Dec 31 2021, 05:15 PM
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post Dec 31 2021, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 05:13 PM)
Simple finance calculations. 1 million in 2026, assume compounding rate of 6% p.a., shall we. PV*(1.06)^5 = 1 million, PV = 747,258 (about 750k).

My assets are nowhere near 100k  laugh.gif
Mins sharing your discount rate, duration of investment, and future value (or present value)?
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should do like Ramjade... sell some puts and calls... and lent out your shares

I regret not doing either for my shares... wink.gif

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post Dec 31 2021, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Dec 31 2021, 05:48 PM)
should do like Ramjade... sell some puts and calls... and lent out your shares

I regret not doing either for my shares... wink.gif
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He is a rich guy and has good stomach for volatility. tongue.gif 100 shares for one option trade. AAPL, MSFT etc. easily in the 100-300 USD per share range, which amounts to 20k USD per trade, factor in diversification of 4-5 counters, 100k USD or 400k MYR.

I have no regrets, seeing NVDA go up 10% a day and 10% down the other day, compared with S-REITs which barely move above 0.5% in a normal day, the extra return from options is called "risk premium" for a reason.

Anyway risk profile differs from people to people.


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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 05:57 PM)
He is a rich guy and has good stomach for volatility. tongue.gif 100 shares for one option trade. AAPL, MSFT etc. easily in the 100-300 USD per share range, which amounts to 20k USD per trade, factor in diversification of 4-5 counters, 100k USD or 400k MYR.

I have no regrets, seeing NVDA go up 10% a day and 10% down the other day, compared with S-REITs which barely move above 0.5% in a normal day, the extra return from options is called "risk premium" for a reason.

Anyway risk profile differs from people to people.
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when you sell calls... you collect the premiums... only obligated to sell your shares if hit the strike price

just make sure you already got 100 shares to cover for each contract... and pick a strike price that you are willing to sell at

This post has been edited by dwRK: Dec 31 2021, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Dec 31 2021, 06:08 PM)
when you sell calls... you collect the premiums... only obligated to sell your shares if hit the strike price

just make sure you already got 100 shares to cover for each contract... and pick a strike price that you are willing to sell at
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Covered call limits your upside potential, but volatile growth stocks can jump a lot. tongue.gif

But yes you are right, just that I don't have that much money as a fund manager anyway.
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post Dec 31 2021, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 06:25 PM)
Covered call limits your upside potential, but volatile growth stocks can jump a lot. tongue.gif

But yes you are right, just that I don't have that much money as a fund manager anyway.
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if you don't have 100 stocks to sell... OK lah can't do much

I'm 100% sure you are the super safe diversify low volatile long term hold type investor... so no need to talk about volatile growth stocks lah... hahaha

anyways your thinking is wrong wrt limiting upside potential... whilst it is true per se, an astute investor also knows when to take some profit off the table, and happy to do so, and selling calls/puts actually helps supplements long term investment...

when I wanna sell I actually have a few target prices and sell in tranches... it's the same with buying... whilst you can't really catch the perfect top or bottom, scaling in and out gives me higher chances to do it...

anyways I'm sure you will change your mind when you are more experienced and have a big account... wink.gif
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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 05:13 PM)
Simple finance calculations. 1 million in 2026, assume compounding rate of 6% p.a., shall we. PV*(1.06)^5 = 1 million, PV = 747,258 (about 750k).

6% ? That is too low for oversea invest.
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post Dec 31 2021, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 31 2021, 07:30 PM)
6% ? That is too low for oversea invest.
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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 05:13 PM)
Simple finance calculations. 1 million in 2026, assume compounding rate of 6% p.a., shall we. PV*(1.06)^5 = 1 million, PV = 747,258 (about 750k).

My assets are nowhere near 100k  laugh.gif
Mins sharing your discount rate, duration of investment, and future value (or present value)?
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Your 100k in USD is it? I always thought you are pretty well off. Anyway if its RM100k, safer not to put in options as it can completely wipe you out unless you can master it, Just my 2 cents.

Happy New Year to everyone. May 2022 be a better year for all of us
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Dec 31 2021, 07:09 PM)
if you don't have 100 stocks to sell... OK lah can't do much

I'm 100% sure you are the super safe diversify low volatile long term hold type investor... so no need to talk about volatile growth stocks lah... hahaha

anyways your thinking is wrong wrt limiting upside potential... whilst it is true per se, an astute investor also knows when to take some profit off the table, and happy to do so, and selling calls/puts actually helps supplements long term investment...

when I wanna sell I actually have a few target prices and sell in tranches... it's the same with buying... whilst you can't really catch the perfect top or bottom, scaling in and out gives me higher chances to do it...

anyways I'm sure you will change your mind when you are more experienced and have a big account... wink.gif
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My view is a bit different. The only astute investor is the finance controllers of the company. They are the true insiders who can price securities exactly. There isn't any alpha (over the long run) for a typical active fund managers, let alone retail investors.

When I have a big account, I will make sure the private bankers stay far away from me first. laugh.gif

QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 31 2021, 07:30 PM)
6% ? That is too low for oversea invest.
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Even if you choose 7-10%, the discounted present value is still way above my current assets. 6.5% p.a. is about my current IRR, though I am aiming for 7-8% in the long run.

It's total return here, not just dividends. Capital gain + current income = total return

QUOTE(abcn1n @ Dec 31 2021, 07:55 PM)
Your 100k in USD is it? I always thought you are pretty well off. Anyway if its RM100k, safer not to put in options as it can completely wipe you out unless you can master it, Just my 2 cents.

Happy New Year to everyone. May 2022 be a better year for all of us
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"Well-off" student? biggrin.gif Nowhere near that. 100k as in MYR. I wished it's USD.

Happy new year to everyone.

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post Dec 31 2021, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 08:14 PM)

Even if you choose 7-10%, the discounted present value is still way above my current assets. 6.5% p.a. is about my current IRR, though I am  aiming for 7-8% in the long run. 

It's total return here, not just dividends. Capital gain + current income = total return
If 6%, I would just buy maybank or EPF. Don’t need go oversea.

But I don’t invest in dividend or etf. All in US stock.

Looking at this yrs return, not bad. smile.gif
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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 08:14 PM)
My view is a bit different. The only astute investor is the finance controllers of the company. They are the true insiders who can price securities exactly. There isn't any alpha (over the long run) for a typical active fund managers, let alone retail investors. 

Happy new year to everyone.
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sure is ok to have a different view... you have plenty of time to find out you are wrong... laugh.gif just remember I told you so in Dec 31, 2021... hehehe

happy and prosperous new year everyone thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 08:14 PM)
My view is a bit different. The only astute investor is the finance controllers of the company. They are the true insiders who can price securities exactly. There isn't any alpha (over the long run) for a typical active fund managers, let alone retail investors. 

When I have a big account, I will make sure the private bankers stay far away from me first. laugh.gif
Even if you choose 7-10%, the discounted present value is still way above my current assets. 6.5% p.a. is about my current IRR, though I am aiming for 7-8% in the long run. 

It's total return here, not just dividends. Capital gain + current income = total return
"Well-off" student? biggrin.gif Nowhere near that. 100k as in MYR. I wished it's USD.

Happy new year to everyone.
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You will do well in life with your hardworking and helpful attitude. Soon, you will have multiples of 100k. All the best. Cheers.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 31 2021, 08:54 PM)
If 6%, I would just buy maybank or EPF. Don’t need go oversea.

But I don’t invest in dividend or etf. All in US stock.

Looking at this yrs return, not bad.  smile.gif
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Suggest you to diversify. "All" in US isn't very healthy. Plus post-2026, if tax on foreign income for individuals resume, and no MY-US tax treaty, then dividend income will be taxed heavily.

Anyway, off-topic.

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 09:08 PM)
Suggest you to diversify. "All" in US isn't very healthy. Plus post-2026, if tax on foreign income for individuals resume, and no MY-US tax treaty, then dividend income will be taxed heavily.
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By 2026, I goyang telor already.

Probably in US or any country chasing my retire dream. No worry at all.

It is because of sudden change of taxing foreign income that cause me to look for solution. But it is a good learn and aware about this tax and able to learn how to find a solution.

Why not healthy? US is the world market. Much much more healthy then any country.




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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 31 2021, 09:08 PM)
Suggest you to diversify. "All" in US isn't very healthy. Plus post-2026, if tax on foreign income for individuals resume, and no MY-US tax treaty, then dividend income will be taxed heavily.
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with a tax treaty... both governments follow the bilateral tax agreement

without a tax treaty... Malaysia will use its unilateral method to asses tax credit

both calc on tax credit looks about the same... I just glance over few weeks ago so can't recall for sure, but you can look it up... so it's not really "taxed heavily"... don't go scaring ppl lah... hahaha

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