Now have D250 and D400 v3..
price diff 2k.

D250 price is pretty nice, wish it has a bit less weight than 180kg

Are they going to discontinue Pulsar NS200 and push D250?
hmm..

If u have a B full, just get the 400. The 250 is just to cater for those without B full. The price difference isn't worth it.

180kg for a 250 is still a relatively top heavy bike. Weight difference only 6kg to the 400 I think.

Me got full B but no intention for clutch bike

Old liao don’t want easy ride 🤪

Anyone wanna guess how long its gonna take for this overpriced piece of 250cc junk to become a flop? Stupid ass pricing literally topup a bit can get D400 ady

This post has been edited by iambryan1234: May 11 2023, 02:28 AM

It will flop badly... haha... but still got some ppl will buy... haha...

i think it has a market for people that dont own B full license
or maybe this is just their tactic so D400 sells more

About to pull a trigger on a gen2 rc390. boss ade service this?

after reading all the issue. Is dom 400 UG still a good buy for now?

New rider incoming soon . B full in process.

My apologies for necro-ing this old thread, things picked up quite abit at the shop and hasnt been lurking around forums in awhile




Duke and dominar UG, while the share the same engine design (90%), rest assured they are pretty much different in many aspects. The largest similarities are in crankcase where almost everything can be pnp swapped in and out of each other, UG has the slipper clutch version of the d390. Block to head onwards, while some still share same design (rod/camshafts/crankshaft), are mostly different, even the piston (same 89mm), but has different ring specs, diff skirt design/length and majorly different oil rings and clearance/torque specs. Heck even the engine weighs different, we did not weight them exactly to the gram, but plopped enough dominar and ktm390s to notice that the ktm counterpart being slightly heavier. Our team members are all able to down a d4ug engine individually, but when it comes to ktm390, extra pair of hands helps.

I would probably say lemon units exist in all make and model of anything, but comparing ktm to in house bajaj bikes, ktm has way better QC and chances of getting a lemon unit is most likely significantly lesser than the dom. This also applies to spareparts, where ktm qc is noticably superior, and in some cases of complex issues with the d4 we had to deal with, sometimes, installing ktm parts fixes it (eg, timing chain).

Also, based strictly on our shop statistics alone, ktm engines wears and last over time much better than the dominar. Hence, the price difference albeit being rather similar in terms of specs, but do keep in mind riding feel is massively different, neither good or bad, matter of preference, usage and application.


Indeed, they are pretty much on a different segment of market, the similarities ends at the engine. Albeit using same forks and brakes, they are tuned differently. Dominar aims for a touring-ish feel where the bike remains pretty steady at constant high speed, while ktm is a lively fun little thing that begs to be tossed around.


one major thing our friend got wrong, is the engine, v1 is single cam, v2(ug) is twin cam and produces approx 5bhp more than the v1. That said, personally i still prefer riding the v1, it vibrate ALOT less, and makes half the noise v2 does. Torque down low rpm feels more pronounced and more engaging that the linear v2 power curve.

literal malaysian 250cc crisis. You get so many people that are "malas/lazy" upgrade license and get stuck behind <250cc, while in reality larger bikes are getting cheaper and 250cc are getting absurdly expensive. IMO, the d250 will inevitably flop eventually imo. Just for the records, since launch, i had less than 5 owners of the d250 that came for service. And just couple days ago i had a teh session with my modenas friends, official SC only had one breakdown case, and also very very miniscule amt of regular service. I wouldn't be surprised if the d250 suddenly gets discontinued, its not that difficult, they can just swap a d4 engine over, everything else is pnp.

ada boss, feel free to drop by. Fun bike RC390, but do keep in mind parts on the ktm, is anywhere between 3-5 times the price of the dominar. There are many misniscule parts that i would suggest owner to use the dominar ones as they are basically the same thing, but when it comes to engine parts, best to stick strictly with ktm.

all in all, putting myself in shoe of a non-workshop owner and also for a new B full license holder, and if i have 15k to spend to purchase a bike, the d4ug(or v1), still remain on the top of my list. Despite all the short coming, 15k BRAND NEW for what you get, is a no brainer. It aint a perfect bike, but the shortcomings is nothing that you couldnt fix. Theres simply nothing better. That said, dont be surprise if you cant keep up with the 250 twins from r25, ninja 250s, these are very different market segment(and heck they cost more), but when down to torque on city ride where theres many stop and go situation, the d4 still remains superior as well as in terms of comfort. This is an honest personal opinion. Personally i dont think cc should be the main factor in deciding a purchase, its what you expect out of the machine, how much you're willing to spend and what you plan to do with it.

Is it possible to fit in NS200 with RS200 rear ABS brake?

Yes its possible, but probably not cost effective and practical, you would need to replace the single channel abs module with the dual, on top of that you'd have to replace the harness socket which will void warranty for sure as there is no way to do so without a pretty intrusive mod, on top of that you'll have to replace the hose as well. This will set you back around RM2000-2500.

But again, personally i dont find rear abs to be appealing at all, in all bikes i owned, i usually bypass the rear abs and just let the front one work. They reduce rear brake ability rather significantly (depending on bike make and abs module, but yes for the pulsar's boschs). In fact most of my d4 customer had their rear abs bypassed.



This post has been edited by Vi Merkz: Nov 25 2023, 01:28 PM

Owners long term review.

Dominar D400 V1 "Facelift". Matte black, gold wheels. late 2019 model. Bought in March 2021 (used).

Reason for bike.
I decided to get back to biking after more than 20 years off it. Had to get one as a practice bike for my B Full test and wanted something that I can commute for work as well as do my bi-monthly trips back to Ipoh hometown. Being a beater/high use bike, I needed something cheap, cheap to maintain, repair and run and easy to source parts. This bike would also double as my primary recreation transport for my camping trips, both on and off road. Made a few trips up Thailand, solo.

Main reason is for cost savings, both for Toll/petrol and Time. My estimated ROI for the bike was 3 years. But it has ROI in 2 years, so the bike is essentially "free". Depreciation is a non-issue for me.
Intention was to buy a new bike after shopping around but found a very lightly used trade-in unit for 8500 with 3600kms on the clock.

Giving my requirements and riding, i'm pretty happy with the bike, and likely keep it for quite some time even after a get a bigger bike. This will serve as my daily beater and off road bike.


Current Mileage : 61,000+ (Average about 22-25k /year)

Riding style : Hard. Bang in limiter gear in gear out, redline everyday. Off road, gravel, mud. Dropped over 100 times.



Things I like
1) Good mid range engine response for a small engine. Power delivery is perky albeit 2 step from 5000rpm
2) Long wheelbase and stable highway ride characteristics. Is not affected by crosswind or lorry wake
3) comfortable riding ergonomics. Definately touring capable (if not for the vibration and lack of power)
4) Handling in corners is very decent and acceptable given its long wheelbase and weight
5) Very very cheap bike to buy and run. Very easy to find parts. Service every 5000km, Takes 1.7L of oil. This trumps all the negatives below. Fuel economy is a mixed bag. i'm averaging between 18 - 20km/L. at constant high speed, it would empty the tank in about 140km.
6) long wheelbase and single cyc, makes for an entertaining ride on gravel, easy to slide the tail out without overcooking it.



Things I dont like
1) Weight. Its a heavy bike for a 400. As she sits with accessories, she is slightly north of 200kg
2) Vibration. Its a big single. It vibrates, and badly past 7000rpm. Heavier bar ends have somewhat reduced handlebar vibes.
3) Throttle a bit on/off at first 10-15% leading to difficulty riding smoothly at low throttle opening
4) Top heavy build and relatively high CoG. Slightly less balanced at low speed.
5) Very very short geared. Highly recommend to sprocket down (i'm down to 42 from stock 45)
6) Soft suspension, lack of travel, a bit wallowy at high speed corners , short of foot peg clearance,,,(to be fair, this isnt a sports bike)
7) no top speed. Even with smaller rear sprocket, it maxes out around 160-170 on the meter (about 158 on GPS) depends on how many boxes i have mounted
8) lack of carrying capacity. Max load I think is only 150kg. Might be challenging if you travel with pillion and luggage. Rear preload maxed.
9) difficulty finding semi off road tyres for stock size (but this is something of concern if you do take it off road)
10) ABS a bit slow reacting. Once it engages, it take a while for it to disengage. Not an issue if you don't go off road or jump the bike.
11) small tank. 13L, but lights up with about 2.5L left. Limited non-stop cruising range at high cruising speeds (>140km/h)


Things that have gone wrong (beyond those self inflicted)
1) Clutch cable (@35k)
2) Wiring harness rubbing against bracket causing short (DIY fix)
3) water splashes causing bike to stall (hopefully rectified , not yet test)
4) One rear tail light LED burnt out (leave it, as need change whole assembly)
5) infamous rear brake mushiness - DIY proper rear brake bleed fixed it.
6) shifter lever has a tendency of getting loose and falling off. DIY new design.
7) vibration causes every bolt and nut to get loose over time. Need to be conscientious to check tightness and have to lock tight everything
8) random stalling after long cruise, coming to a stop (no fix yet, suspect throttle idle control slow to respond to rapid throttle down)
9) tank leaks when bike on her side
10) Clutch will need replacement soon (still on factory clutch)



Maintenance items (beyond oil and filters)
1) Chain and Sprocket set (stock lasted @ 25k, RK Takaso X seal at replaced @55K. Now on 2nd set RK X seal).
2) Front and Rear brakes (Stock @ 59k)
3) VC inspection (@59K, still in spec, no adjustment needed)
4) Spark plug set (every 30k)
5) Full brake system flush (@15k and 59k)
6) rear wheel bearing (@55k)

Upgrades
Windbro Touring windshield (mount to stock location with no additional brackets) https://shp.ee/34v9pgj
1" Handlebar riser
China Quadlock phone mount, DIY Nav bar for phone mount https://shp.ee/g64356v
Headlight riser mount https://shp.ee/yyctuhi
Givi Pannier and Top racks
Givi Pannier and Top box
Aftermarket folding levers (I removed the end since I wanted folding stubbies) https://shp.ee/ccmys6k
China spot lights https://shp.ee/qk6mybd
Auxiliary fusebox and relay
Vietnam 420g bar ends https://shp.ee/9xrjzu5
Dominar UG crash bars (broke stock ones after multiple drops off road)
Bottle holder and various aux gear bags
USB charger https://shp.ee/da83gm3


* Most Items are DIY

Other things bought but not yet installed
Adjustable bar risers https://shp.ee/7shdbyi
Larger footpegs. Added damping o-rings but still needs minor modification to fit. https://shp.ee/6jp9zn9





Conclusion.

If you didnt get a lemon unit, this is by far the best bang for the buck value bike money can buy now. You cant argue for a sub 15,000rm bike that can do almost everything (but not well). It has proven far more reliable than many have complained about (maybe I'm lucky, or i just ride often). Its not the easiest bike to learn on nor ride slow speeds, but it feels like a proper big bike and would serve as a very good stepping stone to a future big bike.

I'm aware some owners had some shitty luck on lemon units... so your mileage may vary with one of these. The Dominar is not a bike that does everything execptionally well but does things good enough for a general bike. Its not the most balanced, easy to cilok, easy to ride bike, nor it is the most sporting, and certainly not best for off road. But if you just want to get a bike that is a good stepping stone to something more powerful and heavy, I can't think of a better bike for this sort of price.


*I'll post some pictures up later, along with shopee links for the accessories (almost everything is bought from shopee)









This post has been edited by jaycee1: Dec 13 2023, 07:26 PM

Thank you for the detailed review for someone joined the BFull "L"ooser who is torn between a FZ150i/used z250/New gixxer 250 and new dom

This post has been edited by minizian: Dec 4 2023, 01:43 PM

nice write up! If im not wrong your batch wasnt fully local CKD, like the kawa by modenas, engine still comes as a whole unit, while the rest of them are assembled here. Earlier batches are less likely to be lemonades. That said, your bike still lookin great the last time we had the major.

PS : your clutch plates are in stock, and you left a bottle of coolant here

May I safely assume the latest version was 100 pct build in Malaysia? QC would it be better or worse than CBU from Balraj?

Won't worry about QC for something this price. It's built to the price..... Which means QC and build quality isn't the best. This applies both to Bajaj and modenas.

All the Indian bikes seems to have really shitty welds. Seems TVS did ok on the BMW, but Bajaj and RE has really bad welding. Maybe Bajaj improved on the Triumph 400s, and RE did improve on its Meteor 350....but who knows.

Bad QC and lax tolerances probably also meant some bikes came out lemons.

To be honest, I don't think Modenas ever built anything 100% here. They probably buy CKD packs.

My D400 since Sept 2019 , last 3 oil change by myself since 2022(Coolant,chain tensioning,filter) , all lighting wirings and accessories DIY. Though only 20k.

A few issues I get after i started riding long distance
1. During heavy rain/thunderstorm , the throttle can't get to maximum and will mush down if you try to pull to max.
2. Sometimes when stop abruptly the engine will die out(once every blue moon).
3. Stuffs will get loose , but I can live with it. just more tightening regime.

Overall I too still satified with my D400 ~