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 Modenas/Bajaj Pulsar RS/NS200 and Dominar 400, I'm an Owner and a Foreman, AMA here!!

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post Mar 15 2024, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(jaykay4540 @ Mar 15 2024, 12:30 AM)
Havent tried D400 but D250 felt pretty heavy and under powered.

Is D400 better in terms of power delivery?


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Instead of posting the same thing in 3 different threads, why not just try the D400?

To me the D250 is a pointless bike. The cost differences between the 2 doesn't make any sense at all, unless you are stuck with B2 only.

The heavy dominar chassis needs all that extra power the bigger 373cc engine can muster.


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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Mar 15 2024, 12:25 PM)
Instead of posting the same thing in 3 different threads, why not just try the D400?

To me the D250 is a pointless bike. The cost differences between the 2 doesn't make any sense at all, unless you are stuck with B2 only.

The heavy dominar chassis needs all that extra power the bigger 373cc engine can muster.
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Agree ~ go try one yourself to see the difference. Its best to just get D400 if you can
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QUOTE(jaykay4540 @ Mar 15 2024, 12:30 AM)
Havent tried D400 but D250 felt pretty heavy and under powered.

Is D400 better in terms of power delivery?


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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Mar 15 2024, 07:23 AM)
Yeah. Test rid one month ago. Feels like d250 is an afterthought.
D250 feels sluggish for city ride.
The ns200 feels more "kena" in its acceleration and handling. It just feels more right.
Harga pun more kena compared to the d250.
D400 rides much better imo.

I don't know how to explain technically, but the d250 throttle response seems laggier/weaker compared to d400. Make the d250 unsurprisingly less agile compared to d400. I guess he dominar body/chassis is just too heavy for lesser displacement, despite the smaller wheels.

That's just ride around town though. Haven't tried highway ride.
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the d250 is similar to the KTM equivalent of the duke 250, runs the same engine as well... its just there to fill in that odd space.

D250 runs same platform as the 400, downsized cylinder cc. So engine weights pretty much the same, but loses 150cc.

The pulsars runs on a unique 200cc platform, engine is quite abit lighter than the 250, and it runs on single cam, which means more tangible torque. Revs up to 10-11k rpm too, pretty fun for its size.

Apart from the obvious cc difference, you dont get gear indicator, you get a "budget" version of the tank panel, you get lousier forks... well just get the d400, for the price difference its worth it.
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post Jul 2 2025, 11:10 AM

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Hello sifu here. Is V2 & and V3 have any difference in terms of the refinement, improvement except the additional accessories on V3?
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QUOTE(acid_head @ Jul 2 2025, 11:10 AM)
Hello sifu here. Is V2 & and V3 have any difference in terms of the refinement, improvement except the additional  accessories on V3?
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Refinement? Arguably the v3 runs a little rougher and although it makes more power going to DOHC, the powerband also moved up 500rpm. So you loose a bit of the low to midrange torque generally welcomed in daily city rides.


Parts wise, I say the v3 is worth the upgrade. You get better forks, marginally better front brakes, the upgrade to twincam and 5 extra HP, and other minor upgrades to mirrors, gear indicator. It does however packed an extra few kilos of weight.

Not sure if I'm getting the versions right though.

There is the v1 and v1 facelift, the V2 which is the UG, and the v3 is the touring model.

I'm assuming you are referring to the v3 as the UG where the most significant upgrade happened.
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post Jul 2 2025, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 2 2025, 12:24 PM)
Refinement? Arguably the v3 runs a little rougher and although it makes more power going to DOHC, the powerband also moved up 500rpm. So you loose a bit of the low to midrange torque generally welcomed in daily city rides.
Parts wise, I say the v3 is worth the upgrade. You get better forks, marginally better front brakes, the upgrade to twincam and 5 extra HP, and other minor upgrades to mirrors, gear indicator. It does however packed an extra few kilos of weight.

Not sure if I'm getting the versions right though.

There is the v1 and v1 facelift, the V2 which is the UG, and the v3 is the touring model.

I'm assuming you are referring to the v3 as the UG where the most significant upgrade happened.
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Ops, I'm referring V3 as the touring edition, where it come with windshield, hand guard & etc compared with UG. Sorry for the confusion.
V2 should be referring V2, that's what I have read from most of the platform. Correct me if I'm wrong ya.

So my question is the touring edition vs UG , is there any improvement.
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QUOTE(acid_head @ Jul 2 2025, 10:53 PM)
Ops, I'm referring V3 as the touring edition, where it come with windshield, hand guard & etc compared with UG. Sorry for the confusion.
V2 should be referring V2, that's what I have read from most of the platform. Correct me if I'm wrong ya.

So my question is the touring edition  vs UG , is there any improvement.
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If you appreciate the bits, then there is no different with the UG.

I think you get saddle stays, a tail rack, windshield , lower (pretty useless) fake skid plate, hand guards and and an improved crash bar design that more protects the sides of the radiator.

Whether it is worth it or not, depends if you are going to outfit it with similar aftermarket parts, its still going to cost 800+ for some similar parts. A Givi tail rack alone is going to run 300ish.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 3 2025, 03:57 PM)
If you appreciate the bits, then there is no different with the UG.

I think you get saddle stays, a tail rack, windshield , lower (pretty useless) fake skid plate, hand guards and and an improved crash bar design that more protects the sides of the radiator.

Whether it is worth it or not, depends if you are going to outfit it with similar aftermarket parts, its still going to cost 800+ for some similar parts. A Givi tail rack alone is going to run 300ish.
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Alright. Thanks to your opinion. I'm thinking to buy for training and weekend use for probably couple years. Will expect to drop bike during training. Hence I'm looking for second hand good condition bike.

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QUOTE(acid_head @ Jul 3 2025, 08:14 PM)
Alright. Thanks to your opinion. I'm thinking to buy for training and weekend use for probably couple years. Will expect to drop bike during training. Hence I'm looking for second hand good condition bike.
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If thats the case, just get whatever used dominar. They are going cheap nowadays. Seen them routinely going for 5k or less.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 4 2025, 01:04 PM)
If thats the case, just get whatever used dominar. They are going cheap nowadays. Seen them routinely going for 5k or less.
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Saw couple d400 with low mileage. How can I know the mileage meter has not been adjusted?

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post Jul 7 2025, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(acid_head @ Jul 4 2025, 08:23 PM)
Saw couple d400 with low mileage. How can I know the mileage meter has not been adjusted?
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Needs experience to see. Usually take note on the wear and tear of the grips or sections of the bike that comes into contact with the rider or the general condition of the bike.

However, its not rare to see Dominar's with low mileage, as many of these are bought by first time B Full riders, either for a practice bike for the test and upgraded soon after or the owner just gave up on B full as was in the case of my bike. It only had 3600km on it when I bought it used 1 year old with hardly a scratch on it.

If this is to serve as your practice bike, I wouldnt sweat it too much as it would be a temp bike anyway.

Did entertain the idea of selling my Dominar, but at these sort of 2nd had prices, I'm just keeping the Dominar as a spare bike, used to get groceries as it has 3 boxes. My V1 facelift is probably worth only 5k now (half that if i were to trade it in), but I only bought it at 8500 so for 4 years and 70k km I had it, the depreciation is actually negligible.... ROI achieved in year 3. The bike is "free" now.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 7 2025, 10:03 AM)
Needs experience to see. Usually take note on the wear and tear of the grips or sections of the bike that comes into contact with the rider or the general condition of the bike.

However, its not rare to see Dominar's with low mileage, as many of these are bought by first time B Full riders, either for a practice bike for the test and upgraded soon after or the owner just gave up on B full as was in the case of my bike. It only had 3600km on it when I bought it used 1 year old with hardly a scratch on it.

If this is to serve as your practice bike, I wouldnt sweat it too much as it would be a temp bike anyway.

Did entertain the idea of selling my Dominar, but at these sort of 2nd had prices, I'm just keeping the Dominar as a spare bike, used to get groceries as it has 3 boxes.  My V1 facelift is probably worth only 5k now (half that if i were to trade it in), but I only bought it at 8500 so for 4 years and 70k km I had it, the depreciation is actually negligible.... ROI achieved in year 3. The bike is "free" now.
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Thanks to your opinion. The one i saw it was year2018 (gold engine cover black rim) with 2000km. It seems was too good to be truth. However I just finding a time to go visit that bike.

Any chance to see if the bike had accident before?

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QUOTE(acid_head @ Jul 8 2025, 07:59 AM)
Thanks to your opinion. The one i saw it was year2018 (gold engine cover black rim) with 2000km. It seems was too good to be truth. However I just finding a time to go visit that bike.

Any chance to see if the bike had accident before?
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the gold engine case bikes are the first batch. Its coming out to 6-7 years now. Having only 2000km sure raise eyebrows. No way of telling if the bike has an accident before unless you can get a good mechanic to see it. There will be telling signs though if you see any newer plastics or touch up parts. a 2000km bike should not need anything replaced.

even if it was not crashed and in perfect aesthetic condition, the battery is probably shot, tyres are expired and most of the rubber hoses and such would be dry rotting, fork seals shot and all fluids need replacement.

I suggest you shop for a newer low mileage UG or V1 facelift (black engine case, gold wheels) at 5-6k. At these prices a used Dominar is going for, best to avoid the oldest of them since there isn't going to be much price difference.
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QUOTE(acid_head @ Jul 4 2025, 08:23 PM)
Saw couple d400 with low mileage. How can I know the mileage meter has not been adjusted?
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The most definitive sign of a low mileage bike is the tyres, especially if it comes with something uncommon in our market out of the factory. My 400 for example had the stock Dunlop Sportmax on it, which is not available in the Malaysian market last I checked, so it was really easy to tell that it really is a low condition bike.

I also noticed that bikes in KL / urban Selangor tend to have higher average mileage than Penang and Johor (albeit less so). So if you are getting something from Pahang for example, I would believe the mileage is probably genuine.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 8 2025, 10:08 AM)
the gold engine case bikes are the first batch. Its coming out to 6-7 years now. Having only 2000km sure raise eyebrows. No way of telling if the bike has an accident before unless you can get a good mechanic to see it. There will be telling signs though if you see any newer plastics or touch up parts. a 2000km bike should not need anything replaced.

even if it was not crashed and in perfect aesthetic condition, the battery is probably shot, tyres are expired and most of the rubber hoses and such would be dry rotting, fork seals shot and all fluids need replacement.

I suggest you shop for a newer low mileage UG or V1 facelift (black engine case, gold wheels) at 5-6k. At these prices a used Dominar is going for, best to avoid the oldest of them since there isn't going to be much price difference.
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Well noted. Sincerely thank you for you opinion and guidance. I will have more clarity and direction by now.
Just by any chance, since all of you are have been seeing the trend sunce V1 , UG &touring edition and the RV price. Is there any RV if i buy a new one and sell it off after 2 years?
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QUOTE(JustForFun @ Jul 8 2025, 09:21 PM)
The most definitive sign of a low mileage bike is the tyres, especially if it comes with something uncommon in our market out of the factory. My 400 for example had the stock Dunlop Sportmax on it, which is not available in the Malaysian market last I checked, so it was really easy to tell that it really is a low condition bike.

I also noticed that bikes in KL / urban Selangor tend to have higher average mileage than Penang and Johor (albeit less so). So if you are getting something from Pahang for example, I would believe the mileage is probably genuine.
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Yes i also notice that too, especially a nice low mileage bike are mostly from penang & east coast. But problem would be viewing the bike is another challenge part.
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QUOTE(acid_head @ Jul 8 2025, 10:26 PM)
Well noted. Sincerely thank you for you opinion and guidance. I will have more clarity and direction by now.
Just by any chance, since all of you are have been seeing the trend sunce V1 , UG &touring edition and the RV price. Is there any RV if i buy a new one and sell it off after 2 years?
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I won't worry about RV of any of these cheap bikes especially if you buy one used. Just view it as scrap value.
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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 9 2025, 04:38 PM)
I won't worry about RV of any of these cheap bikes especially if you buy one used. Just view it as scrap value.
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I mean if i buy a new d400.
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QUOTE(acid_head @ Jul 9 2025, 09:10 PM)
I mean if i buy a new d400.
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My advise. Dont bother with new if its just for a training bike.

First, you are going to drop it if you are doing things right with your training. To learn, you have to push the limits, especially for low speed maneuvers, which will inevitable lead to some jatuh bodoh.

Second, dont expect good RV

Third, you will outgrow it very very quickly and buy a bigger bike in a year or 2.

Dont get me wrong, the Dominar is a great bike to get started with...don't think there is any doubt on this point. But it lacks the longer distance comfort , power and legs if you are eventually planning to go for longer rides, or group rides. It is inevitable that you'd be shopping for a more suitable, more powerful multi-cylinder bike soon after. Which is why there are so many used, low mileage dominars in the market as most riders will upgrade after a year or 2 for those that are financially capable.

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Jul 10 2025, 12:19 PM)
My advise. Dont bother with new if its just for a training bike.

First, you are going to drop it if you are doing things right with your training. To learn, you have to push the limits, especially for low speed maneuvers, which will inevitable lead to some jatuh bodoh.

Second, dont expect good RV

Third, you will outgrow it very very quickly and buy a bigger bike in a year or 2.

Dont get me wrong, the Dominar is a great bike to get started with...don't think there is any doubt on this point. But it lacks the longer distance comfort , power and  legs if you are eventually planning to go for longer rides, or group rides. It is inevitable that you'd be shopping for a more suitable, more powerful multi-cylinder bike soon after. Which is why there are so many used, low mileage dominars in the market as most riders will upgrade after a year or 2 for those that are financially capable.
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Alright. I'll take your advice. What are the extra accessories I need to install to avoid further damage bike if i drop the bike, besides the ori crash bar?


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