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post Oct 7 2021, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(premier239 @ Oct 7 2021, 09:42 AM)
The National Tech Association of Malaysia (Pikom) expects salaries of local digital professionals ranging from entry level to senior management level to continue on a downward trend in 2022, as findings showed a clear easing in the average salary of local digital professionals since 2019, it said in its report, Economic and Digital Job Market Outlook in Malaysia
Pikom has forecast a salary growth of only 0.1% for 2021 and 2% for 2022, from an average salary growth of 2.2% in 2020, due to the direct impact of the Covid-19 pandemic, including movement control orders (MCOs), economic uncertainties, and job losses.

CEO Ong Kian Yew said the salaries of digital professional have not changed much and have not not grown since 2019.

“To increase the salary of local digital professionals, the country needs to shift from a mover to a creator of technology. With innovation, we can expect higher growth in salaries in this industry,” Ong said in a virtual press conference after the launch of the report today.

The four key areas of the report are: an in-depth analysis of the economy, a critical review of the digital economy, domestic salary trends for 2021 and 2022, and a regional salary outlook.

Pikom has forecast lower gross domestic product growth of between 2% and 2.5% for 2021, and 5% growth for 2022.

Based on data from JobStreet, Pikom concluded that the downward trend in salaries for digital professionals started in 2019.

Despite this downward trajectory, the number of job advertisements for digital professionals in JobStreet remained high, reaching 135,451 in 2020 and 97,909 in June, 2021, according to JobStreet.

“Another interesting finding was that the number of senior manager positions has gone down compared to previous years, while demand has been high for low to mid-level jobs. Mainly due to the cost of hiring senior professionals is beyond the reach of many businesses struggling from the effects of the pandemic. Another possibility is that senior talents may tend to stay longer in the current employment due to the uncertainties in the job market.”

The report highlighted regional salaries from 11 selected economies and eight specific IT or digital job designations for this research covering common and traditional IT jobs such as software, hardware, network, project management, and consultancy.

Malaysia ranked seventh while the US topped the list followed by Singapore, Australia, the United Arab Emirates, Hong Kong, and Thailand. Countries behind Malaysia are Indonesia, Vietnam, India, and the Philippines. It is interesting to note that Thailand has surpassed Malaysia in average salary for digital jobs. This is a wake-up call for Malaysia as one of the prevailing factors in brain drain is financial compensation, the report said.

Pikom research and publication committee chairman Woon Tai Hai said the segments that have grown by leaps and bounds are e-commerce, online connectivity infrastructure, digital adoptions, digital payment platforms, and the digitalisation of some service oriented sectors.

“The term ‘transformation’ for some is perhaps obsolete and instead ‘acceleration’ is more appropriate. While the digital economic contribution to the national economy may have reached the 20% target, set many years ago, we are of the opinion that this digital journey may be further accelerated and will potentially ‘reshape’ the landscape of the digital industry. Also, MyDigital Blueprint and 5G deployment initiatives will be another set of impetus in driving the industry further,” Woon said.
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Sure is as we are maju in opposite direction. 1 step forward each side will make us 2 steps apart.
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post Oct 7 2021, 12:30 PM

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nothing suprise , my friend work in same company for 5 years , salary still cant reach 5k , start work was 4k salary
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post Oct 7 2021, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Oct 7 2021, 12:26 PM)
I agree than many in IT is more of TCSS.

All wan to be project manager, just mange the project, but dun want to actually do the work. But manage project dunno how, keep asking subordinate or propose stupid design.
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yea worked in local MNC companies where theres sooo many project managers, but all cant do their work. Only thinking of lunchtime take boss out go where for lunch..Weekends post on FB did activities with bos... More involved with the bos than the team. but when coming delivery date or after feedback from client, then start panic and maki maki the team. Till one point our members scream at the manager back lol. I think compare with overseas, theres like 5x more managers here in a single dept.

Personally I think its issue with the infrastructure here that leads to low pay. IT (depends on specialization too) has been very prominent and secure job especially now covid times, IMO. Even now so many ads on Internet promoting IT courses/certifications.

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post Oct 7 2021, 12:38 PM

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what downtrend?

lul topkek, kena lowball kao kao

sohais still willing to work for sohai companies, why ah?

why so many sohais in this world?
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post Oct 7 2021, 12:41 PM

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Too much revenue in IT companies have to give to the legal racketeering 'services', so worker salary is impacted.

You know, I know la.

Also, some bosses who head these companies arent in it for the trade, but for the glamor, so most of the benefit goes to the boss to supplement his dream lifestyle.
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post Oct 7 2021, 12:55 PM

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Really? I still have positions open in my team, we pay above market rate too. Problem is not enough talent, so how to fill up higher paid roles?
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Oct 7 2021, 12:55 PM)
Really? I still have positions open in my team, we pay above market rate too. Problem is not enough talent, so how to fill up higher paid roles?
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Do wat? Can I join?
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QUOTE(jamilselamat @ Oct 7 2021, 12:41 PM)
Too much revenue in IT companies have to give to the legal racketeering 'services', so worker salary is impacted.

You know, I know la.

Also, some bosses who head these companies arent in it for the trade, but for the glamor, so most of the benefit goes to the boss to supplement his dream lifestyle.
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Agree. This happens a lot.
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Oct 7 2021, 01:09 PM)
Do wat? Can I join?
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Senior software engineer for frontend / backend / full stack.
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I don't think it's a problem if more IT professionals here do software development. Main problem is that many don't like to write software and do things with low value add and are easily replaceable to lower cost region.

Lack of quality software engineers are also causing development jobs to leave. It's all about getting talent for those jobs.

End up companies moving out since they can't get talented developers and low cost jobs can be moved elsewhere.
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QUOTE(notadupe999 @ Oct 7 2021, 01:19 PM)
I don't think it's a problem if more IT professionals here do software development. Main problem is that many don't like to write software and do things with low value add and are easily replaceable to lower cost region.

Lack of quality software engineers are also causing development jobs to leave. It's all about getting talent for those jobs.

End up companies moving out since they can't get talented developers and low cost jobs can be moved elsewhere.
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How is writing software/ scripts low value add?
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(DoomCognition @ Oct 7 2021, 08:21 AM)
How is writing software/ scripts low value add?
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I said they don't like to do that and prefer low value add jobs.
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:39 PM

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that's why the Malaysian who developed the covidnow dashboard is working in Thailand.
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:43 PM

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Salary no need so high. Shopee item getting cheapers. Here mostly want cheap product
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Oct 7 2021, 10:47 AM)
i no tipu you la. he graduated d last year. but i no went his graduation bcs lock down 2020 ma

Now salary not much RM4K like that

I hear he said want to do master. Maybe start soon.

2024:  AI take over IT work is real and it is extremely fast in China. My son said.

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4k is a good start, all the best to him
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post Oct 7 2021, 02:09 PM

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post Oct 7 2021, 02:12 PM

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local IT title cover too wide range especially low end sale, repair, call center, graduate and no graduate.

From what I know that pretty much a lots that in IT that at low end didn't learn much from newer stuff or wider range of knowledge than what their learn from their study.

Some youngster only know respond with teachers never teach.

There was several graduate when interview says they know about use this software, that software but end up did not know how to use as it is newer version than what they learn. Don't even know to search internet or watch online vid to learn after a month.

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post Oct 7 2021, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Oct 7 2021, 11:19 AM)
next time study betul betul, few of these companies are moving operation to singapore not indea. please explain.

SG is now in a condition where they do not have enough manpower to supply the IT sector. u tau ker tidak?
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Singkie actually looking for analyst and not dev in their IT sector. Basically all high level post jer. Else minimum also fullstack capable... deswai their offering pay is so high, not for your average dev. Average dev tasks still outsourced to indea then bring back and do code review.
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post Oct 7 2021, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Oct 7 2021, 02:29 PM)
Singkie actually looking for analyst and not dev in their IT sector. Basically all high level post jer. Else minimum also fullstack capable... deswai their offering pay is so high, not for your average dev. Average dev tasks still outsourced to indea then bring back and do code review.
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nop not really. my cousin sister is working with their Human Resource Ministry supplying alot of devops engineer/full stack/front end, back end basically all sorts of engineer which you can think of they would also need. For now they are still holding back only looking for local and PR talents in the country but because of the amount of demand they have in SG it's just a matter of time until they open up for foreign labours/expat once again.

The few big names which just got setup in SG is asking for thousands of headcount to fill which she is still working on it.

But to your point yes fullstack, DevOps Manager & Engineer it's highly sought after down there in singapore and the pay package is in the region of 8-12k sgd. Those are the ones which are highly sought after.


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post Oct 7 2021, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Oct 7 2021, 02:44 PM)
nop not really. my cousin sister is working with their Human Resource Ministry supplying alot of devops engineer/full stack/front end, back end basically all sorts of engineer which you can think of they would also need. For now they are still holding back only looking for local and PR talents in the country but because of the amount of demand they have in SG it's just a matter of time until they open up for foreign labours/expat once again.

The few big names which just got setup in SG is asking for thousands of headcount to fill which she is still working on it.

But to your point yes fullstack, DevOps Manager & Engineer it's highly sought after down there in singapore and the pay package is in the region of 8-12k sgd. Those are the ones which are highly sought after.
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Im working as an IT professional here for quite some time already so yeah... altho i progress from DBA to DA to devops to BA and now doing SA.
my company also seeking for those devops and proper software engineer headcounts to fill lolol. As for fullstack.....

Frankly fullstack is over used hype word for a dev.... so far i rarely come across a proper fullstack but many think they are one especially those who use open sourced web frameworks. But when thrown them into a task on setting up a framework and database from scratch especially with a blank unix server then you can see their limitations.

Also technically their local talents are still very green that's why these current positions are mostly filled by foreigners with alot of experience. My current team mostly from china. So if anyone think their skills can make it, they should try now because the window is wide open right now....

can do them a favor to compete with ceca yindia because right now 90% of all applicants my company see is from there. Makes us wonder whole asean region no tech talents meh?

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