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kidmad
post Oct 7 2021, 10:44 AM

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How not to downtrend.. in 2020 itself how many big MNC in cyberjaya which closes it's door? we are talking about 5 figure lost of jobs.

Considering the average take home pay for such mnc are always in the region of 5 figure as well, just do your own maths on how bad it is for the it industry in malaysia.
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post Oct 7 2021, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(pfizer @ Oct 7 2021, 10:50 AM)
Because they can outsource very cheap from India .Why pay 5 figure when you can get 4 figure.
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next time study betul betul, few of these companies are moving operation to singapore not indea. please explain.

SG is now in a condition where they do not have enough manpower to supply the IT sector. u tau ker tidak?
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post Oct 7 2021, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Oct 7 2021, 02:29 PM)
Singkie actually looking for analyst and not dev in their IT sector. Basically all high level post jer. Else minimum also fullstack capable... deswai their offering pay is so high, not for your average dev. Average dev tasks still outsourced to indea then bring back and do code review.
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nop not really. my cousin sister is working with their Human Resource Ministry supplying alot of devops engineer/full stack/front end, back end basically all sorts of engineer which you can think of they would also need. For now they are still holding back only looking for local and PR talents in the country but because of the amount of demand they have in SG it's just a matter of time until they open up for foreign labours/expat once again.

The few big names which just got setup in SG is asking for thousands of headcount to fill which she is still working on it.

But to your point yes fullstack, DevOps Manager & Engineer it's highly sought after down there in singapore and the pay package is in the region of 8-12k sgd. Those are the ones which are highly sought after.


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post Oct 7 2021, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Oct 7 2021, 02:56 PM)
Im working as an IT professional here for quite some time already so yeah... altho i progress from DBA to DA to devops to BA and now doing SA.
my company also seeking for those devops and proper software engineer headcounts to fill lolol. As for fullstack.....

Frankly fullstack is over used hype word for a dev.... so far i rarely come across a proper fullstack but many think they are one especially those who use open sourced web frameworks. But when thrown them into a task on setting up a framework and database from scratch especially with a blank unix server then you can see their limitations.
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exactly but the business ppl won't know a nut shit about what IT folks are doing la.. that's why for them to hire Software Engineer.. they just tembak use the word full stack. but yes nearly every single company down there they want full stack, stull stack, full stack but there's also alot of open positions for infra engineers recently.

Oracle, Google they rather have their data center expansion in Singapore instead of malaysia can you imagine? Our operating cost is so much lower and yet even their plan for expansion in 2021 they are doing it in singapore. Now i'm just hoping Microsoft Azure data center won't last minute u-turn go singapore as well. Else you guys will be getting all the jobs while we just work in ah kow, ah bu and ali sdn bhd.

Yet here... we still want to talk about "oh your salary low, cause you stupid why no find a better job and bla bla bla". T-System + IBM already 5k jobs gone. 2 years before that was shell 1.6k employee. HP also shutdown and got taken over by another company and from there onwards it just continue to downsize.

Basically matter of time until all these IT MNC move out from Malaysia.

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post Oct 7 2021, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Oct 7 2021, 11:13 PM)
SG already have every public cloud datacenter you can think of
One thing that hinder those big guys from operating in Malaysia is the lack of power redundancy hence can't build Tier 4 datacenter here
so far only CCP cloud like Alicloud and Huawei cloud have datacenter presence here
but i heard Alicloud datacenter in Malaysia is just a co-loc instead of wholy owned by Alibaba

as the saying goes, janji oren kito

give them all the power to do everything yet still not doing things good, then inciting hasad dengki towards other races

i am not racist against general Malays, i am discriminating to those Malay politicians
come to think of it dinasour companies like HP DXC IBM they are considered sunset in their own league, many old timers had their sweet time in their OnPrem VDI private cloud waterfall whatevernot, most of them are illiterate in cloud, IAC, DevOps, Agile, reskilling them would be a nightmare. But many of these are approaching 50, treat it as early retirement loh, do grab, foodpanda, home kitchen etc
well those Sinkies just treat the offshore Malaysian devs as their bitches seriously
basically full stack in other more modern and catchy term for that is "solution architect" but companies won't use it coz the word architect automatically means "more expensive"
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sad.gif that's why personally as an IT professional I'm really worried.. if my company really decided to move to Vietnam I'll take the chance man.

 

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