Serious answer: There can be a clause in the application papers that states that it'll allow you to verify the legitimacy of your payslips with your previous company etc. (Grey area since it can be argued that it's a clause which is not allowed)

Btw, with how seriously you're taking this issue, it seems like those candidates were really good candidates in terms of skillset/experience but you're not willing to give them commensurate pay either because of their age or previously held position. I'm sure you've learned in HR not to put your ego or overinvest your personal position into managing hires    All the best anyway.

Dude, you need to get the facts right. Yes, I do want to hire them because I want to help people however people have to be HONEST. When everything was carried out I more or less knew that in that department, the salary for the experience they have is about RM 4k - RM 5k. Every company has company equity. If you look at a call center for example, all people who have the same role have a certain salary range. Most will have RM 2k and the lower ones maybe RM 1.8k and the ones who have a high salary in that same role might have RM 2.5k maybe. You won't see a guy in that same department getting RM 10k no? This is common sense.

Now, when everything was discussed, I did not ask upfront how much they earned because I don't really care and it doesn't bother me since I know how much I am going to offer anyway. Now, they should be getting about RM 4k - RM 5.5k at most. I just asked them to email me IC, 3 months pay slap and certifications. The salary slip is RM 10k+. Now, these 2 are not superstars. For their age and experience, I am pretty sure their salary is half.

Now, they asked in the call for at least 20% increase from what they are getting. I verbally just agreed and said I would need their pay slips and when they emailed, I saw RM 10k+ which means I would need to offer them RM 12k. Is that a problem for the company? No. We can even pay more but this is NOT BEING HONEST. These kind of people should be exposed. I don't think it's right for anyone to exploit the system and the reason people do it is because everything is confidential. That is the bloody problem.

100% those 20K salary is job hopper buttlicker...yes they capable manage project...but they dont do the technical side.

I hate dealing with marketing, project manager and sales people coz their work is dubious. Without right certification very hard to gauge their capability. sweet talk a lot.

Easy to check for technical ppl with their certification.

y cannot move on ?? y must u bend on them??

R U BAT MAN? ahahahhaahah

I don't think you understand where I am coming from but I don't blame you. There is a budget for every company. Now, let's say you in charge of the hiring process and you have a budget, you will need to know how to optimize your budget as well. You have to be smart. Of course it is very easy for anyone and everyone to say "just hire and fire" and these are the people who don't know how tough it can be with the time and process involved. At the same time, I don't see anything wrong with companies disclosing how much someone earns. Why should people be afraid? If they are really as good as what they say they are, any company would pay them a good price.

Have you ever asked yourself why people fake their pay slips to begin with? I am sure you have not and you really need to think hard about this question.

fuh those retard spinning since morning until now.. hoi no need work ah?? now i really want to know which company you work for... kesian your boss... hire a fai chai

there are people whom want to take the risk of faking their pay slip is simply because there are always chinaman hiring manager like your case whom want to 'optimise budget usage' and decided to find every opportunity to lowball people instead.

These are prime example of scumbag employers which are one of the main reason Malaysia remain in the middle income trap and salary does not go up.

You didn't admit it though. Someone just called out a random sohai company name with proven record of being shitty. If you're going to be leaning on that, wow you're an even shittier coward lol

Dude, you need to get the facts right. Yes, I do want to hire them because I want to help people however people have to be HONEST. When everything was carried out I more or less knew that in that department, the salary for the experience they have is about RM 4k - RM 5k. Every company has company equity. If you look at a call center for example, all people who have the same role have a certain salary range. Most will have RM 2k and the lower ones maybe RM 1.8k and the ones who have a high salary in that same role might have RM 2.5k maybe. You won't see a guy in that same department getting RM 10k no? This is common sense.

Now, when everything was discussed, I did not ask upfront how much they earned because I don't really care and it doesn't bother me since I know how much I am going to offer anyway. Now, they should be getting about RM 4k - RM 5.5k at most. I just asked them to email me IC, 3 months pay slap and certifications. The salary slip is RM 10k+. Now, these 2 are not superstars. For their age and experience, I am pretty sure their salary is half.

Now, they asked in the call for at least 20% increase from what they are getting. I verbally just agreed and said I would need their pay slips and when they emailed, I saw RM 10k+ which means I would need to offer them RM 12k. Is that a problem for the company? No. We can even pay more but this is NOT BEING HONEST. These kind of people should be exposed. I don't think it's right for anyone to exploit the system and the reason people do it is because everything is confidential. That is the bloody problem.