You're lucky that you're in msia where you can be sloppy in acquiring and handling private data.....still you better check with a lawyer on this and hope that the candidates do not know the law. Acquiring private data without their consent and not through a legal compliant process is a criminal offense in many countries and could get you in trouble.

If you are are hiring manager, you should demonstrate some maturity here instead of playing stupid games like these. The objective at hand is if you want to hire the candidates based on your impression of the interview. If you want to hire, then it's a question of affordability, either you can give them a package that they are satisfied or you can't and you walk away and hire someone cheaper. What's the point of doing all these monkey business? In as much as you do all these nonsense, those 2 candidates can choose to walk away if they have options. It's supply and demand. They can jack up their rates and if the rates are too high for anyone in the market to afford them, they will eventually settle for less. You don't need to snoop around trough dubious questionable means.

It is also obvious that you have no idea how the big leagues play. MNCs have policies and more often than not are drafted in accordance to privacy laws of their respective countries of origin. To think that you could somehow get your friend to put his or her job on the line to commit such fraud is just laughable. Background checks of MNCs are outsourced to backcheck companies because if you mess this up, you can get really expensive lawsuits in the US, Canada, UK etc, that's why they get the professional companies to do it. To authorise a backcheck, the candidate file needs to be in the end of the hiring stage in the recruitment tool and it will cost the company for such a check.

If your friend is as stupid as you, then he'll inappropriately misrepresent his company with the intent to commit fraud by reaching out to EPF to acquire private information of some strangers. This is call social engineering and identity theft.......nice business you have got there.

This post has been edited by feynman: Oct 5 2021, 12:17 AM

You said it yourself. You have a fix budget to fill a vacancy, if a candidate is too expensive to fill, you move to another one that if affordable.

You hire a jiken also won't do shit like this, will you question the OKT on his pricing structure? will you ask for transparency on how he came up with this rate? No, you either buy or don't buy.

You don't see anything wrong in any companies disclosing it, other companies may think differently as they are mitigating risks. They do not want to be seen influencing decisions elsewhere that has got nothing to do with them. Why disclose irrelevant information to irrelevant people when it has got nothing to do with the company's business operations, profit and bottomline but exposing the company to a risk of potential lawsuits? That's why you don't understand how the big leagues play......

People can fake their payslips and it's not up to you to prove it.....remember if you go to court to prove that they used fake slips, the judge will then ask how did you acquire the evidence, if you did it through non-legally compliant means, the evidence will not be admissible. So you also be another sohai in front of the judge

You can ask but they don't have to provide then, it's up to you to decide if you want to proceed with the hiring. It's as simple as that.

What you are doing here is as though you're so obsessed to know their past salary that you forget it's not for you to prove whether it's true or not, your job is to hire according to budget. Even if you somehow manage to prove that the slip is fake, what you gotta do.....you gonna say "Gotcha, i knew your pay is not that high, so here's an offer"? You would do the opposite, you'll not hire someone who faked documents......so why are you wasting company resources and time to prove something that has got no bearing on your hiring process?

This post has been edited by feynman: Oct 5 2021, 12:33 AM

I'm more interested in seeing him get sued......but it's unlikely given that it is msia.

So it's more like deriving enjoyment from looking at a fool engaging in a pointless exercise......

Somebody is so triggered.....geezz

The fool doesn't understand that a person's requested/expected rates need not be based on any payslip real or fake, justified or made-up......it is simply the rate at which a person is willing to give up their time to perform work for a company.

If the company feels that the requested rate is simply unreasonable for the role, be it because of affordability or any other reason, the company can decline and look for candidates that are more affordable.

It just seems like TS has some weird obsession on wanting to know people's last drawn salary when it doesn't matter..........he's likely gonna take the last base then give a 5% raise and then tell the candidate that it is a good offer, but of course he did not consider that the candidate can walk away because the offer is underwhelming in which case, he'll beg that the candidate take the job, else why die die want to know the last drawn base.......something broken in the logic.

I've walked away from offers before and I was the first choice, I have gone on record that the offer was underwhelming and told them that if they want the first choice then they should be willing to up the offer.....free market.

This post has been edited by feynman: Oct 5 2021, 05:32 AM

yeah...and then TS comes back to me say I also cheat lah, not earning high enough lah this lah......I just sit there laughing at a sohai in action

This is what it is....TS likes the candidates, want to make an offer...but cannot afford the price tag....so waste time to think of some asinine idea to snoop around for the information that he wants.....which many of us have already expressed the legality of those methods......i.e. he asking a friend who works at an MNC to mispresent and commit fraud to get the information that he needs and some other laughable exercise.

If the payslips are real, he will still lowball and say, "This is very good offer, you can grow in this company" and whatever half-assed nonsense that he can make up
If the payslips are fake, he will say " Gotcha, I knew your pay was not so high, so you should accept this lower offer, bery good edi, take it ok?" Which undoubtedly shows how sohai TS is for hiring forgers and fraudsters

Scary that TS/company is wasting time on non-issues.........better stay away from companies like these....it's gonna be a massive shitshow inside

Also TS failed to recognise that the candidates can walkaway.....TS is not the only employer around....so all in all, all this sandiwara for the benefit of us lol

This post has been edited by feynman: Oct 5 2021, 12:01 PM

of course................

Ini macam got budget only for myvi but want to buy civic type R.......then coming up with a ton of reasons about the reliability and the trustworthiness of the civic and somehow thinks because of that can lowball till the price of a myvi....

good entertainment

hahaha TS kena kantoi............talk so much of kok....end up sendiri also no integrity, tipu-tipu, sneaky sneaky.....Shouldn't be a surprised, it takes a shady crook to think of all those things to begin with

away for 10 hrs...thread grew by 10 pages...lol

wahlao...i already called out TS as Sohai in the first few thread....now more people calling out...

this is good entertainment

I'm starting to think that TS has some mental problem......

multipolar or some multiple dissociative disorder.............his reality changes from time to time

here got a lot of orang gila lah.....