i kinda like the way TS uses fake diamonds/LV bag analogy and tries to apply the same in his job

this is where the hiring manager comes in, to weed out the weak and see if the candidate fits the requirement and if they are worth the asking price

unless he's also the hiring manager that does the 2nd/3rd round of interviews and he's not doing a good job to prove the candidate's asking celery, thus have to resort to all sorts of lobang to find out if the candidate overstated their last drawn celery

Probably now is the boss really want the candidate but not willing to pay their price so asking his kuli to lowball them and get it done.

Are you buying slave for your co. or looking for a competent staff?

probation period is there for you to evaluate their performance

unless if you are chinaman co , well .......

if you have that kind of negative thinking right from the start then cannot do anything lah

most likely this is the case.

TS is not competent enough to do the job and now looking for free advice on this forum.

This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Oct 5 2021, 12:53 PM

Well said.

what is the point of investigating it to this degree? if the payslip they provided turns out to be fake, then what? you're gonna call them out and blackmail them into taking the position with low pay? they'll just refuse. then what? you're gonna post it on soc med to out them for using fake payslip so other companies don't hire them too?
you want to play god is it?
can pay the asking price then pay, cannot pay then move on to someone else. they can refuse or accept the offer however they like. maybe they will even accept it even if its a low ball offer.

TS hiring new staff few thousand RM only, cannot compare with RM1 million diamond where there will be professional verifier to check the diamond.

Yes, during the taxation period, that is when we can know if the salary they said was true. We will still be able to find out.

Want free advice but end up backfired kena bash by /k

if you have doubts with them, pls dun hire them.
By exposing and reducing their salary, this 2 guys wont stay long or accept your offer. Move on and dun waste time on it...

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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5169669?author=royrockerfella

Talking about integrity huh?

This post has been edited by JimbeamofNRT: Oct 5 2021, 01:09 PM

Everyone is saying to u, do your homework diligently instead of trying to circumvent laws by trying to verify pay slip. Is that so hard?
By insisting on your doubt at their competency based on pay alone, you are actually doubting your company’s interview process and competency in hiring. If you are the hiring manager or hr, that’s a doubt of your own competency. Swallow it and improve

This post has been edited by chickenshit36: Oct 5 2021, 01:12 PM

CTOS

This. Pay peanut get monkey lor. Even if before hand is tiger or anything superior, they will turn into monkey if the pay is small like “peanut”.”

some companies dai dai won't compensate their employees well even if they perform. there are a lot of underpaid people who are good. and when they come to you, you wanna use their salary history to tekan them.

just check your budget, if what they ask for exceed the budget, don't offer an interview in the first place.

Hahaha. TS kantoi working for another company behind his boss' back

Yes, this is a Chinaman Co. We like to do things the proper way and not hire and waste our budget. Too bad that everyone feels entitled and sad that they aren't getting paid a good amount and have to justify why faking a pay slip is the right thing to do.

Anyway, I have had personal messaged being sent saying that I could use the TP3 form so solve this. If they fake their slips they will need to be accountable when the taxation is deducted. We will then know if all these people were telling the truth.

this is a sad thing that is happening all around malaysia today

I have met undeserved employees who stuck at the same co. for years and some of them dont even get a single raise for the past 5 years. but from what I see the co. is expanding very fast can see the boss in the newspaper every now and then making grand announcement about this and that.

Bahagian C already got taxable income, no need see YTD tax amounts lah. Accumulated PCB paid can be different depending on the company FYE, cos after that, its bonus time. Last time my company change bonus payment from Dec salary to Jan, suddenly Jan PCB I pay so freaking high (bonus + Jan new salary + other incentives etc) like LHDN think every month i get the amount, then each subsequent month PCB gradually reduce and I claim back a lot next year during tax return time. If TS see my accumulated PCB in April, he will think I 20k celery /k level already.

Also Nota 1 and Nota 3 where got say you need submit the TP3 to LHDN (unless requested). TS expect to freely email LHDN and expect they will reply to confirm the accumulated PCB? If the applicant really crooked, he will just lie on the Bahagian C to reflect his fake salary, and pay more tax during next year tax return time or get more PCB cuts from TS company, cos after all he already got the extra cash from TS's company haha. If kena tax audit, he will just say he put higher C1 cos got other outside employment on top of the salary from previous company, and its an honest mistake, but even then, the penalty stated it is on the tax amount undercharged, but silent on the overstatement of taxable income. I doubt LHDN would care and instead say thank you for paying extra tax only.

Worse case is that the TP3 copy is only given to majikan (Nota 1 & 2). What if the candidate fill, but then you reject them later cos you cant afford their salary. They can sue saying 'reasonable expectation' that they got the job, cos they already give TP3 to TS. What now? Better discuss with your legal department lah TS.

This post has been edited by likeazit: Oct 5 2021, 01:26 PM

You are treating your new staff like a criminal.

just wow

Why you hire them if you think they are not being honest? Are they really good? You die die need their expertise ? Or nobody wants to work at your co.?

+1

things with LHDN, it is perfectly allright to overdeclare and overpaid, not the other way round