My company is hiring 2 people and the salary slip they showed shows a very high pay. Now, I know from another mutual friend in the previous company that these 2 guys are working from that their salary is probably 35% less. I actually called up KWSP / EPF to find out based on their EPF number and SOCSO number however they refused to let my HR team get the previous information about this. How can I make a report to get KWSP / EPF to give me historical information on their previous salary?

I was thinking of asking my friend who works in an MNC to try submit their documents saying that he wants to hire them and that he wants to do a background check. Since he works in a well established MNC, I was wondering if KWSP / EPF will disclose this information. Thank you.

I don't want to judge them and just kick them to the curb. Of course, the information I am getting is from my mutual friend and I don't want to make assumptions because my friend could be wrong. These 2 guys do posses certain skillsets however the salary seems to be quite high. Am I allowed to ask for a bank statement? I have seen many saying that it is P&C.

Yes, but I think the pay slip is a good gauge to know what someone is capable off. Example, market rate: RM 20k however their past salaries are RM 7k. This could mean that they aren't the best candidates for the job. This is just an example but I think it's a good way to gauge the capabilities of someone.

actually what will a Co call up the prev. co and ask for?

I don't think you understand where I am coming from but I don't blame you. There is a budget for every company. Now, let's say you in charge of the hiring process and you have a budget, you will need to know how to optimize your budget as well. You have to be smart. Of course it is very easy for anyone and everyone to say "just hire and fire" and these are the people who don't know how tough it can be with the time and process involved. At the same time, I don't see anything wrong with companies disclosing how much someone earns. Why should people be afraid? If they are really as good as what they say they are, any company would pay them a good price.

Have you ever asked yourself why people fake their pay slips to begin with? I am sure you have not and you really need to think hard about this question.

Probably now is the boss really want the candidate but not willing to pay their price so asking his kuli to lowball them and get it done.

You said it yourself. You have a fix budget to fill a vacancy, if a candidate is too expensive to fill, you move to another one that if affordable.

You hire a jiken also won't do shit like this, will you question the OKT on his pricing structure? will you ask for transparency on how he came up with this rate? No, you either buy or don't buy.

You don't see anything wrong in any companies disclosing it, other companies may think differently as they are mitigating risks. They do not want to be seen influencing decisions elsewhere that has got nothing to do with them. Why disclose irrelevant information to irrelevant people when it has got nothing to do with the company's business operations, profit and bottomline but exposing the company to a risk of potential lawsuits? That's why you don't understand how the big leagues play......

People can fake their payslips and it's not up to you to prove it.....remember if you go to court to prove that they used fake slips, the judge will then ask how did you acquire the evidence, if you did it through non-legally compliant means, the evidence will not be admissible. So you also be another sohai in front of the judge

This is not a game. I think you are someone who also would do something like this because you are defending the ones who have no integrity. Shame on you for not standing up for what is right. Yes, it is supply and demand but would you spend RM 50k on a fake LV bag and not care? Why should you care? It looks the same and people would all think it's a genuine item, no? Only you would know it's fake and that everyone around you is being fooled however would you pay RM 50k of your money for something which IS NOT GENUINE?

There is a lot of stuff that goes into the hiring process FYI. It's not just hiring someone and paying them market rates. The market decides their rate IF THEY EARNED IT and not by them FAKING IT just because that is what the market standard is paying.

I was asked to give them the TP3 form so that I can know what their YTD tax amounts are like. If they fake that LHDN would know.

I want to tell the both of them. The thing is, I am asking this question because I wanted to know if they already know and they are just keeping quiet as it doesn't affect them. My job requires certain technical skills and it is based on achieved KPIs just like most people. Oh and yes, I do think of ways of improving the business for both companies. It actually gives me a better perspective as well.

Not sure if it's a loss for both companies as I believe I am giving more than a 100% for both. The are happy with the results.

some companies dai dai won't compensate their employees well even if they perform. there are a lot of underpaid people who are good. and when they come to you, you wanna use their salary history to tekan them.

just check your budget, if what they ask for exceed the budget, don't offer an interview in the first place.

Yes, this is a Chinaman Co. We like to do things the proper way and not hire and waste our budget. Too bad that everyone feels entitled and sad that they aren't getting paid a good amount and have to justify why faking a pay slip is the right thing to do.

Anyway, I have had personal messaged being sent saying that I could use the TP3 form so solve this. If they fake their slips they will need to be accountable when the taxation is deducted. We will then know if all these people were telling the truth.

Bahagian C already got taxable income, no need see YTD tax amounts lah. Accumulated PCB paid can be different depending on the company FYE, cos after that, its bonus time. Last time my company change bonus payment from Dec salary to Jan, suddenly Jan PCB I pay so freaking high (bonus + Jan new salary + other incentives etc) like LHDN think every month i get the amount, then each subsequent month PCB gradually reduce and I claim back a lot next year during tax return time. If TS see my accumulated PCB in April, he will think I 20k celery /k level already.

Also Nota 1 and Nota 3 where got say you need submit the TP3 to LHDN (unless requested). TS expect to freely email LHDN and expect they will reply to confirm the accumulated PCB? If the applicant really crooked, he will just lie on the Bahagian C to reflect his fake salary, and pay more tax during next year tax return time or get more PCB cuts from TS company, cos after all he already got the extra cash from TS's company haha. If kena tax audit, he will just say he put higher C1 cos got other outside employment on top of the salary from previous company, and its an honest mistake, but even then, the penalty stated it is on the tax amount undercharged, but silent on the overstatement of taxable income. I doubt LHDN would care and instead say thank you for paying extra tax only.

Worse case is that the TP3 copy is only given to majikan (Nota 1 & 2). What if the candidate fill, but then you reject them later cos you cant afford their salary. They can sue saying 'reasonable expectation' that they got the job, cos they already give TP3 to TS. What now? Better discuss with your legal department lah TS.

Yes, as a headhunter I can work for many clients.  I have also checked the rules

Problem solved & yes, I am related to HR & Legal. It would be stupid to not catch them now and let myself be questioned later on as to how these guys were hired with such a steep pay hike compared to the previous job. I have to be the Office-Batman.

I can ask them to fill up the TP3 form and this will help me gauge their salary. We will know when they have to file for taxation.

I checked both company policies and honestly there was nothing stating that however I would also want to be extremely sure as I wouldn't want to jeopardize anything.

I am underpaid. I also don't like seeing people who should be paid a reasonable amount getting paid an excessively high amount as that money can be used to hire an additional person. There is a budget and there is a reason why someone would pay anyone a certain rate.

I get 25k USD's per month only. I'm not that rich. I wish I could earn RM40k.

Ahuh, I am supposed to present the staff back to the company I am representing and I am pretty sure I am way smarter than you as I am not going to present someone who fakes stuff to make myself look incompetent especially when dealing with a client. I am sorry that your butt hurts just because you have no integrity and think it's alright for people to fake their pay slips. Sigh, is this how your mum and dad raised you? Did they not teach you it's wrong to lie? What is wrong with stating the real amount and then negotiating how much you want then meet in the middle? Why do you have to lie? You seem to be supporting the idea that faking your pay slip is normal. I feel sorry for the company that hired you. You sure do have an issue when it comes to integrity if you don't think faking your pay slip is actually a crime on its own.

I get 25k USD's per month only. I'm not that rich. I wish I could earn RM40k.

you the one twisting things, you are considering illegal ways to verify people payslip by violating the country acts openly

there is no problem of catching them if you were trying thru legal ways, but you arent

with your comments of openly violating country act, we should report this to moderators and get them to lodge police report against you

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To bad. I declined them first. lol

TS not Malaysian.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=54447648

He has talked about his business of importing or exporting some shit to Pakistan so I think he is from there la. Just have family connection here.

Funny thing is.. since someone threw out ipohmali name and company name, he started indirectly associating himself with that company pulak

He also posted how he has business with over RM1mil in revenue but profit for like 20k. 

2% gross margin