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post May 4 2021, 01:51 PM, updated 5y ago

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Tauhu - Tauhu masak sambal
Tauge - Tauge masak lemak
Kobis - Kobis goreng with turmeric
Fucuk - Fucuk masak lemak
Sawi masak Ikan kering
Telur dadar
Rice

What else... yum yum

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QUOTE(s3iryu @ May 4 2021, 01:52 PM)
the Char dalam Char kuey teow
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Jangan kena teow eh...
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Now only I know all those ingredients originated from China sweat.gif
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QUOTE(s3iryu @ May 4 2021, 01:52 PM)
the Char dalam Char kuey teow
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QUOTE(s3iryu @ May 4 2021, 01:52 PM)
the Char dalam Char kuey teow
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ju yau zhar masak Char kuey teow brows.gif

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QUOTE(kopitiamtard @ May 4 2021, 01:51 PM)
Tauhu - Tauhu masak sambal
Tauge - Tauge masak lemak
Kobis - Kobis goreng with turmeric
Fucuk - Fucuk masak lemak
Telur dadar
Rice

What else... yum yum
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Kentang
Bawang Besar
Bawang Merah
Bawang putih
Kicap
Minyak Bijan
Cendawan
Garam

basically everything. LoL...
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post May 4 2021, 01:58 PM

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Kobis is Chinese ingredient wtf???
The Japanese also put kobis in their okonomiyaki and fried noodles. By that logic shouldn't it be called Japanese ingredient also?
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 01:58 PM)
Kobis is Chinese ingredient wtf???
The Japanese also put kobis in their okonomiyaki and fried noodles. By that logic shouldn't it be called Japanese ingredient also?
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Noodles also come from China.
Sushi also come from China. Narezushi- ancient Japan sushi also come from China..
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 02:07 PM)
Noodles also come from China.
Sushi also come from China. Narezushi- ancient Japan sushi also come from China..
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Those are meal. But ingredients like kobis how the heck TS concluded it as Chinese ingredient? It's just vegetable commonly used around the world.
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post May 4 2021, 02:12 PM

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Since when is rice Chinese
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post May 4 2021, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ May 4 2021, 02:12 PM)
Since when is rice Chinese
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice

The history of rice cultivation is a long and complicated one. The current scientific consensus, based on archaeological and linguistic evidence, is that Oryza sativa rice was first domesticated in the Yangtze River basin in China 13,500 to 8,200 years ago.
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post May 4 2021, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 02:11 PM)
Those are meal. But ingredients like kobis how the heck TS concluded it as Chinese ingredient? It's just vegetable commonly used around the world.
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Bcoz most cabbage around the world supplied by China..

Just like Malaysia dominant in produce rubber glove..
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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 4 2021, 02:15 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice

The history of rice cultivation is a long and complicated one. The current scientific consensus, based on archaeological and linguistic evidence, is that Oryza sativa rice was first domesticated in the Yangtze River basin in China 13,500 to 8,200 years ago.
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Omg all this while I tot rice origins from Kedah rice bowl


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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 02:17 PM)
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Bcoz most cabbage around the world supplied by China..

Just like Malaysia dominant in produce rubber glove..
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But but my cabbage from Cameron where got China


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post May 4 2021, 02:19 PM

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Kuey Teow? Mana Keuy Teow?

QUOTE(kopitiamtard @ May 4 2021, 01:51 PM)
Tauhu - Tauhu masak sambal
Tauge - Tauge masak lemak
Kobis - Kobis goreng with turmeric
Fucuk - Fucuk masak lemak
Telur dadar
Rice

What else... yum yum
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QUOTE(Raddus @ May 4 2021, 02:18 PM)
But but my cabbage from Cameron where got China
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Plantation own by Chinaman.. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(kopitiamtard @ May 4 2021, 01:51 PM)
Tauhu - Tauhu masak sambal
Tauge - Tauge masak lemak
Kobis - Kobis goreng with turmeric
Fucuk - Fucuk masak lemak
Telur dadar
Rice

What else... yum yum
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Water and Oil is Chinese ingredient

All non-Chinese also using it laugh.gif
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 02:17 PM)
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Bcoz most cabbage around the world supplied by China..

Just like Malaysia dominant in produce rubber glove..
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It just vegetable mass produced in China. Doesn't define it's nationality or race. Same goes with rice. The west has their own version of rice also but they didn't refer rice as Chinese ingredient in western salad.

Next is what? Petai as Malay ingredient? All veges must have their own races now?
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QUOTE(Raddus @ May 4 2021, 02:18 PM)
But but my cabbage from Cameron where got China
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Do a search in wiki.

Most veges are from .....
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QUOTE(Raddus @ May 4 2021, 02:12 PM)
Since when is rice Chinese
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Exactly. I never heard western chef referring rice as Chinese ingredient when making brown rice salad.
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 02:23 PM)
It just vegetable mass produced in China. Doesn't define it's nationality or race. Same goes with rice. The west has their own version of rice also but they didn't refer rice as Chinese ingredient in western salad.

Next is what? Petai as Malay ingredient? All veges must have their own races now?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice

If u read rice cultivation history; China also the 1st one who plant it & eat it as staple food.
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babi n alcohol aside

do malays like chinese style dishes?

as in those like ginger garlic paste, gong bao, gam hiong?
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chinese food that might suit malay taste buds.

fried stuff
1.fried dumpling
2.Fried foochook (ampang yong tau foo style)
3.youtiao/ yaozaguai (oil fried ghost, literal translation)

grill stuffs
1.grill jiken wings

steam stuffs
1.steam vege, lightly steam with fried garlic on top + oyster sauce on the side
2.steam crab, sweet sour crab, etc
3.literally any steam seafood prepared chinese style, especially salt water fish (red grouper, etc)prepared in hotel, yes that's chinese style

condiments/desserts
1.redbean/green soup, buburchacha, peanut soup (thick & sweet type), lin zhi kang, etc
2.tofu faa (this is real gooding yo, putih gebu dan licin)


Huge potential for malay people to pick it up and sell it to malays. the nons have too much of a hurdle to market it (one of my friend tried once, then the area malay businesses dengki and kacau his biz so he closed it down)
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QUOTE(H3artBreakKid @ May 4 2021, 01:57 PM)
ju yau zhar masak Char kuey teow  brows.gif

owai...
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chu cheung fun wrap yau jar kuai aka jar leung.
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QUOTE(lambsauce @ May 4 2021, 02:52 PM)
babi n alcohol aside

do malays like chinese style dishes?

as in those like ginger garlic paste, gong bao, gam hiong?
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if eat occasionally, can. but, if daily cant. too bland.
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 02:44 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice

If u read rice cultivation history; China also the 1st one who plant it & eat it as staple food.
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Does it matter? Rice is staple carb for Asian and commonly used around the world in their meals. Same goes with cabbage.

I never heard of Middle East chef or any western chef referring rice as 'Chinese ingredient' when making Pilaf or Brown rice salad. Neither do the Germans when they wanna prepare for sauerkraut making will ever say "hey guys today we are going to make sauerkraut but first you need this Chinese ingredient called cabbage."

Have Giada de Laurentiis and Nigella Lawson referred rhubarb as 'Chinese ingredient' as well in their food TV shows?
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QUOTE(Haters_Gonna_H8 @ May 4 2021, 02:55 PM)
if eat occasionally, can. but, if daily cant. too bland.
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bossku u kidding right

these 3 also kira bland? shocking.gif
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 02:58 PM)
Does it matter? Rice is staple carb for Asian and commonly used around the world in their meals. Same goes with cabbage.

I never heard of Middle East chef or any western chef referring rice as 'Chinese ingredient' when making Pilaf or Brown rice salad. Neither do the Germans when they wanna prepare for sauerkraut making will ever say "hey guys today we are going to make sauerkraut but first you need this Chinese ingredient called cabbage."

Have Giada de Laurentiis and Nigella Lawson referred rhubarb as 'Chinese ingredient' as well in their food TV shows?
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We dont care whatever western chef said except "rendang crispy...".

Everything now global... We also not call potato as west too bcoz now common food.

But we all know rice come from China.
Potato come from west/ america.
Basically rice is China ingredient is correct.
Potato is west ingredient is correct too..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rice_cultivation

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 03:08 PM)
We dont care whatever western chef said except "rendang crispy...".

Everything now global... We also not call potato as west too bcoz now common food.

But we all know rice come from China.
Potato come from west/ america.
Basically rice is China ingredient is correct.
Potato is west ingredient is correct too..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rice_cultivation
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Just because rice originated from China doesn't mean it's exclusive Chinese ingredient. Same goes with cabbage.
Just because you didn't grow up eating cabbage as Malay doesn't mean cabbage is exclusive as Chinese ingredient. I didn't grow up eating petai but I never refer it as Malay ingredient.

Going global? But the rest of the world didn't put race on basic grains and vegetables why TS and you die die must addressed them as Chinese ingredients?
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We should claim petai is malaysian before singapork or indawg calin it to be theirs
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 03:26 PM)
Just because rice originated from China doesn't mean it's exclusive Chinese ingredient. Same goes with cabbage.
Just because you didn't grow up eating cabbage as Malay doesn't mean cabbage is exclusive as Chinese ingredient. I didn't grow up eating petai but I never refer it as Malay ingredient.

Going global? But the rest of the world didn't put race on basic grains and vegetables why TS and you die die must addressed them as Chinese ingredients?
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Just accept it la. Rice come from China. It planted 13500 years ago there when no other civilization eat it. Chinese Ingredient is not wrong...
Mahu taichi sana sini buat apa.

Of course la, skrg tauge, tauhu, kicap, beras mmg buat di Msia.
If if live in europe, it made in europe..
But it not wrong to accept its origin.. China.

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Malay ingredients in Chinese food is what you want. Sambal > all.
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QUOTE(lambsauce @ May 4 2021, 03:01 PM)
bossku u kidding right

these 3 also kira bland?  shocking.gif
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yes. too bland. usually chinese dishes can be seggragated to:

black ketchup based
fried based
soup based
spicy based (usually sichuan)


all are bland. take sichuan style. its spicy, but u cant really drink the soup, unlike tomyam.

well, maybe its jus lt my taste

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Kobis is definitely from China la, the kobis from Wuhan? Hello? baru 1 year ago only dah lupa ka
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QUOTE(Mocha_86 @ May 4 2021, 02:53 PM)
chinese food that might suit malay taste buds.

fried stuff
1.fried dumpling
2.Fried foochook (ampang yong tau foo style)
3.youtiao/ yaozaguai (oil fried ghost, literal translation)

grill stuffs
1.grill jiken wings

steam stuffs
1.steam vege, lightly steam with fried garlic on top + oyster sauce on the side
2.steam crab, sweet sour crab, etc
3.literally any steam seafood prepared chinese style, especially salt water fish (red grouper, etc)prepared in hotel, yes that's chinese style

condiments/desserts
1.redbean/green soup, buburchacha, peanut soup (thick & sweet type), lin zhi kang, etc
2.tofu faa (this is real gooding yo, putih gebu dan licin)
Huge potential for malay people to pick it up and sell it to malays. the nons have too much of a hurdle to market it (one of my friend tried once, then the area malay businesses dengki and kacau his biz so he closed it down)
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Youtiao/Yaozaquai already got Malay version called cakoi.
I remember seeing McD advertize it for their breakfast menu also lol.
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 03:38 PM)
Just accept it la. Rice come from China. It planted 13500 years ago there when no other civilization eat it. Chinese Ingredient is not wrong...
Mahu taichi sana sini buat apa.

Of course la, skrg tauge, tauhu, kicap, beras mmg buat di Msia.
If if live in europe, it made in europe..
But it not wrong to accept its origin.. China.
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I know where it originated from. Which part did I taichi?
You previously said now all going global. Potato is no longer considered as western but why rice and cabbage you guys are still considered as Chinese ingredients? The rest of the world didn't nationalize and put race on grains and vegetables why should you and TS die die wanna say they're 'chinese ingredients'?
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 03:45 PM)
I know where it originated from. Which part did I taichi?
You previously said now all going global. Potato is no longer considered as western but why rice and cabbage you guys are still considered as Chinese ingredients? The rest of the world didn't nationalize and put race on grains and vegetables why should you and TS die die wanna say they're 'chinese ingredients'?
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In this case, we refer ingredient as its "origin" & "invented"

In yr dictionary, what u call as "ingredient"?
U have no point.
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QUOTE(storky20 @ May 4 2021, 03:43 PM)
Youtiao/Yaozaquai already got Malay version called cakoi.
I remember seeing McD advertize it for their breakfast menu also lol.
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That 1 is the original. There's plenty of variation and could be further exploited for malay market, if you're malay hawker/restaurant owner seeking for new recipes.

Their ingredients are consists of mainly flour, egg, oil,sugar,salt,etc and no pork involved. so i think its quite safe for muslim to try first and market it for their halal market which i think is a huge potential.

Cakoi itself is very versatile, can match with plain kaya, go along well with soybean drinks, porridge, or just take it as it is.

Fried dodol + ubi kayu + ubi manis also very nice. It's called zhao nian gao, or in cantonese zhao nin gou. I think malay will love this one very much because it's sweet and fried, with ubi kayu & manis to balance the taste.

If any malay malu malu dun dare to buy or suspicious of its ingredient u can hook me up and ill do the buying and ingredient asking, then u just do the tasting. they won't use pork lard or any babi ingredient 1 lar, babi as ingredient is veli expensive and not suitable. use pork lard the margin go longkang liao
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QUOTE(s3iryu @ May 4 2021, 01:52 PM)
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QUOTE(Mocha_86 @ May 4 2021, 04:02 PM)
That 1 is the original. There's plenty of variation and could be further exploited for malay market, if you're malay hawker/restaurant owner seeking for new recipes.

Their ingredients are consists of mainly flour, egg, oil,sugar,salt,etc and no pork involved. so i think its quite safe for muslim to try first and market it for their halal market which i think is a huge potential.

Cakoi itself is very versatile, can match with plain kaya, go along well with soybean drinks, porridge, or just take it as it is.

Fried dodol + ubi kayu + ubi manis also very nice. It's called zhao nian gao, or in cantonese zhao nin gou. I think malay will love this one very much because it's sweet and fried, with ubi kayu & manis to balance the taste.

If any malay malu malu dun dare to buy or suspicious of its ingredient u can hook me up and ill do the buying and ingredient asking, then u just do the tasting. they won't use pork lard or any babi ingredient 1 lar, babi as ingredient is veli expensive and not suitable. use pork lard the margin go longkang liao
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In this case, we refer ingredient as its "origin" & "invented"

In yr dictionary, what u call as "ingredient"?
U have no point.
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Pusing to origin and invented pulak dah.

Read again what you wrote here. If you can accept potato as common food here without referring it as western,then why can't you accept rice and cabbage as common grain and veges also without referring them as Chinese ingredients? Why are you contradicting yourself now?
QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 03:08 PM)
We dont care whatever western chef said except "rendang crispy...".

Everything now global... We also not call potato as west too bcoz now common food.
You don't care about what western and middle East chef or how they refer their ingredients but suddenly now you wanna know what I referred to as ingredients? Why? Does it make any different anyway?

Because you said you only cared about 'crispy rendang'. Which frankly I have no idea what's the relevance of it in rice and cabbage as Chinese ingredients discussion.

When I was young all I know is rice is rice and cabbage is a type of vegetable. Never once my mother taught me and referred them to me as 华人材料. 饭就是饭,包菜就是包菜.

We live in Malaysia no? Not in the heart of mainland.
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 04:12 PM)
Pusing to origin and invented pulak dah.

Read again what you wrote here. If you can accept potato as common food here without referring it as western,then why can't you accept rice and cabbage as common grain and veges also without referring them as Chinese ingredients? Why are you contradicting yourself now?
You don't care about what western and middle East chef or how they refer their ingredients but suddenly now you wanna know what I referred to as ingredients? Why? Does it make any different anyway?

Because you said you only cared about 'crispy rendang'. Which frankly I have no idea what's the relevance of it in rice and cabbage as Chinese ingredients discussion.

When I was young all I know is rice is rice and cabbage is a type of vegetable. Never once my mother taught me and referred them to me as 华人材料. 饭就是饭,包菜就是包菜. 

We live in Malaysia no? Not in the heart of mainland.
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In this case, we refer Chinese ingredient for whatever that origin or invented there.

Now tell me what yr definition of Chinese ingredient? & give few example.? what make it (yr example) different compare with rice, cabbage, tauhu & tauge?

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u malaysian kah ???.. cakoi is with kopi O one lar,..
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In this case, we refer Chinese ingredient for whatever that origin or invented there.

Now tell me what yr definition of Chinese ingredient? & give few example.? what make it (yr example) different with rice, tauhu & tauge?
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Origin or invented there?

But TS never mentioned anything about those. Read again this thread title "Chinese Ingredients thats is in Malay Food...Sedap".

And read again my first reply to him which you pusing from noodles to sushi.
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Kobis is Chinese ingredient wtf???
The Japanese also put kobis in their okonomiyaki and fried noodles. By that logic shouldn't it be called Japanese ingredient also?
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yes. too bland. usually chinese dishes can be seggragated to:

black ketchup based
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all are bland. take sichuan style. its spicy, but u cant really drink the soup, unlike tomyam.

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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 04:20 PM)
Origin or invented there?

But TS never mentioned anything about those. Read again this thread title "Chinese Ingredients thats is in Malay Food...Sedap".

And read again my first reply to him which you pusing from noodles to sushi.
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Just tell me yr definition & example la.. what make yr example is different.

No need to disagree everything.. Just for sake to disagree & troll.

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Just tell me yr definition & example la.. what make yr example is different.

No need to disagree everything.. Just for sake to disagree & troll.
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Exclusive Chinese ingredients for me is something like dou ban jiang 豆瓣酱. Anything with 'jiang' which exclusively used in Szechuan cooking.

Pink pepper corns? Maybe. Because my mother rarely use them unless for spicy broth she often referred them as 'special ingredients' which we don't use daily. But nowadays it's no longer considered as exclusive 'Chinese' pepper anymore since many western chef use them in salad dressings and burger sauce.
Still I refer them as Chinese ingredients.

So now you still think cabbage and rice as Chinese ingredients too?
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u malaysian kah ???.. cakoi is with kopi O one lar,..
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You can et yau cha kwai with anything you like.

Malaysian likes kopi o, some like it plain, some likes soya milk, some times with Milo, eat it with bak kut teh is nice, have it with curry is great, even porridge is nice.
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u malaysian kah ???.. cakoi is with kopi O one lar,..
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Kobis is Chinese ingredient wtf???
The Japanese also put kobis in their okonomiyaki and fried noodles. By that logic shouldn't it be called Japanese ingredient also?
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Japanese are just misspelt Chinese.

Oh wait...
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 04:33 PM)
Exclusive Chinese ingredients for me is something like dou ban jiang 豆瓣酱. Anything with 'jiang' which exclusively used in Szechuan cooking.

Pink pepper corns? Maybe. Because my mother rarely use them unless for spicy broth she often referred them as 'special ingredients' which we don't use daily. But nowadays it's no longer considered as exclusive 'Chinese' pepper anymore since many western chef use them in salad dressings and burger sauce.
Still I refer them as Chinese ingredients.

So now you still think cabbage and rice as Chinese ingredients too?
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Yes still bcoz my late mother who is Chinese use it too.
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 04:33 PM)
Exclusive Chinese ingredients for me is something like dou ban jiang 豆瓣酱. Anything with 'jiang' which exclusively used in Szechuan cooking.

Pink pepper corns? Maybe. Because my mother rarely use them unless for spicy broth she often referred them as 'special ingredients' which we don't use daily. But nowadays it's no longer considered as exclusive 'Chinese' pepper anymore since many western chef use them in salad dressings and burger sauce.
Still I refer them as Chinese ingredients.

So now you still think cabbage and rice as Chinese ingredients too?
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talk 3 talk 4 in the end u r the same as him except u got super emo over semantics.
we all know what TS meant, just that u trying too hard to sound smart.
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talk 3 talk 4 in the end u r the same as him except u got super emo over semantics.
we all know what TS meant, just that u trying too hard to sound smart.
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No I don't know what TS means. Neither do him nor you.
Since when cabbage and rice are considered as Chinese ingredients?
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 07:13 PM)
Yes still bcoz my late mother who is Chinese use it too.
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What does that has anything to do with you referring to rice and cabbage as Chinese ingredients?
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 08:18 PM)
No I don't know what TS means. Neither do him nor you.
Since when cabbage and rice are considered as Chinese ingredients?
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according to his logic, rice and cabbage originated from china hence he considered this as chinese ingredient.
ok case close. pursuing over semantics and your ego doesnt achieve anything.
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according to his logic, rice and cabbage originated from china hence he considered this as chinese ingredient.
ok case close. pursuing over semantics and your ego doesnt achieve anything.
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No one is talking about origins here. Neither do TS. His thread title just simply says Chinese ingredients then simply listed cabbage rice telur etc etc kek.

My first reply already get twisted into noodles and sushi while my original question was about why cabbage = Chinese ingredient?

Fine case close for you. Now go way.

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What does that has anything to do with you referring to rice and cabbage as Chinese ingredients?
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As long that it origin from China & my Chinese family normally use it to cook Chinese dishes; I will consider it Chinese ingredient.
As simple as that.
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As long that it origin from China & my Chinese family normally use it to cook Chinese dishes; I will consider it Chinese ingredient.
As simple as that.
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That's for you. But the way you are pushing your replies to me you die die want me to accept cabbage and rice are Chinese ingredients.

When I asked if it's true then why people from other parts of the world never called their cuisines using these 'Chinese ingredients'? You said crispy rendang lagi penting.

Going global konon. But only for potatoes? Wtf does that means anyway?
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Tauhu - Tauhu masak sambal
Tauge - Tauge masak lemak
Kobis - Kobis goreng with turmeric
Fucuk - Fucuk masak lemak
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QUOTE(leftycall9 @ May 4 2021, 08:33 PM)
That's for you. But the way you are pushing your replies to me you die die want me to accept cabbage and rice are Chinese ingredients.

When I asked if it's true then why people from other parts of the world never called their cuisines using these 'Chinese ingredients'? You said crispy rendang lagi penting.

Going global konon. But only for potatoes? Wtf does that means anyway?
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Rice & cabbage part of chinese ingredient la.. without it, most chinese dishes not complete.

What I mean we dont care whatever western chef said. They dont know how to cook asian food. Why we must listen to them?
No weight given for their opinion as we dont eat pizza everyday.
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Water, oxygen, salt, sugar etc all from china. China numba one. China exist 50000000 years before africa and other countries ok.
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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 4 2021, 02:15 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice

The history of rice cultivation is a long and complicated one. The current scientific consensus, based on archaeological and linguistic evidence, is that Oryza sativa rice was first domesticated in the Yangtze River basin in China 13,500 to 8,200 years ago.
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Rice farming started by Chinese, doesn't meant it belong to Chinese, the plant itself isn't exclusive to Chinese. There are other variant that's considered wild paddy mostly found in North America.

Of course, all paddy was wild before the very first human cultivate it. It grow across Asia and North America


Don't be like someone, suka suka claim, not that it earn you anything also.

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 08:41 PM)
Rice & cabbage part of chinese ingredient la.. without it, most chinese dishes not complete.

What I mean we dont care whatever western chef said. They dont know how to cook asian food. Why we must listen to them?
No weight given for their opinion as we dont eat pizza everyday.
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Nope I can't accept it. Basic grains like rice and veges like cabbage aren't exclusive Chinese ingredients like doubanjiang. Because they're just basic part that widely used around the world,not the special condiments or sauces which defines the identity of the cuisine itself.

Have you ever heard any Japanese saying cabbage is 华人材料 when adding them into okonomiyaki? Rice Pilaf,any Middle East chef saying 'oh we need the 'Chinese ingredients' a.k.a rice to cook this dish!'?

If you can accept potato is no longer western root veges because it's commonly used here. Why I shouldn't accept rice and cabbage as common things instead of 'chinese ingredients'?

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 08:41 PM)
Rice & cabbage part of chinese ingredient la.. without it, most chinese dishes not complete.

What I mean we dont care whatever western chef said. They dont know how to cook asian food. Why we must listen to them?
No weight given for their opinion as we dont eat pizza everyday.
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Things that i ate everyday. Shrimp paste, chilly, coconut milk . My meal definitely got one of this 3.

So without it, the meal taste no good?

And for fruits, durian, mango, banana.papaya.

Come come make claim it is all Chinese.

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QUOTE(Cincai lar @ May 4 2021, 04:10 PM)
u malaysian kah ???.. cakoi is with kopi O one lar,..
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Yau char kwai is traditionally eaten with soya bean drink and porridge just like what is served by the kiosk Yoo in malls
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Rice farming started by Chinese, doesn't meant it belong to Chinese, the plant itself isn't exclusive to Chinese. There are other variant that's considered wild paddy mostly found in North America.

Of course, all paddy was wild before the very first human cultivate it. It grow across Asia and North America
Don't be like someone, suka suka claim, not that it earn you anything also.
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Wild rice@ poacea not related to rice@oryza sativa that we eat. Different species of grass
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Nope I can't accept it. Basic grains like rice and veges like cabbage aren't exclusive Chinese ingredients like doubanjiang. Because they're just basic part that widely used around the world,not the special condiments or sauces which defines the identity of the cuisine itself.

Have you ever heard any Japanese saying cabbage is 华人材料 when adding them into okonomiyaki? Rice Pilaf,any Middle East chef saying 'oh we need the 'Chinese ingredients' a.k.a rice to cook this dish!'?

If you can accept potato is no longer western root veges because it's commonly used here. Why I shouldn't accept rice and cabbage as common things instead of 'chinese ingredients'?
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Potato just sarcastic example. Its still western food/vege. Main ingredient in western food whether we like or not.
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Didnt know kobis tauge telur are all “Chinese”
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Taugeh Chinese la... Tau (bean) geh (sprout).. So obvious directly translation
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 08:56 PM)
Wild rice@ poacea not related to rice@oryza sativa that we eat. Different species of grass
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Just an examples, whole asia have many varieties of paddy. Mount paddy, sticky rice, basmati rice. All different. Want to claim all from China? You sure?

First in the region to cultivate it maybe you can claim, but even that how sure are you that there is none cultivate it before China? One advantages China has is they invented word and writing and able to keep the record down. So not surprising historian got their fact based on earliest recorded records.

Take Malaysia for examples, even the story of parameswara wasn't recorded in writing, if it was, I'm not aware of it. The visit of Malacca sultanate to Ming court also recorded from Ming dynasty end but not sure if sultanate have their own records.

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Potato just sarcastic example. Its still western food/vege. Main ingredient in western food whether we like or not.
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Sarcastic example? Now you twist your own example as sarcastic example? But potato still main ingredients in western food? Wtf???

Ok I'm seriously lost now. rclxub.gif
Previously you said now all going global. Potatoes is common ingredients here instead of just western ingredient. So why I can't say the same thing with rice and cabbage? You want me going global no?
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Just an examples, whole asia have many varieties of paddy. Mount paddy, sticky rice, basmati rice. All different. Want to claim all from China? You sure?
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Its nothing to with paddy variety.
We have our own noddle, sushi, pizza too ,different variety . But origin from other country & culture.

However, the fact is that origin of eat rice, plant paddy is from China. Chinese eat rice while other civilization eat ubi kayu, kentang, gandum, etc..
It happen 13500 years ago.

Then this culture went abroad to India about 5000-7000 yrs ago. & South east asia about 3000-2000 years ago.

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 09:14 PM)
Its nothing to with paddy variety.
We have our own noddle, sushi, pizza too ,different variety . But origin from other country & culture.

However, the fact is that origin of eat rice, plant paddy is from China. Chinese eat rice while other civilization eat ubi kayu, kentang, gandum, etc..
It happen 13500 years ago.

Then this culture went abroad to India about 5000-7000 yrs ago. & South east asia about 3000-2000 years ago.
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How sure are you that Chinese is there one started to discover eating rice.

One advantages China has is they invented word and writing and able to keep the record down. So not surprising historian got their fact based on earliest recorded records.

Animals themselves ate rice. Many history records does show we learning from animals. So if animals was the first one to ate rice, why do you think no other human learning it, that paddy are edible.

Or you dare said human are the one ate rice first before animals and birds? Just because animals don't know how to record the history, doesn't make human the first one to eat it. Same logic.

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 09:14 PM)
Its nothing to with paddy variety.
We have our own noddle, sushi, pizza too ,different variety . But origin from other country & culture.

However, the fact is that origin of eat rice, plant paddy is from China. Chinese eat rice while other civilization eat ubi kayu, kentang, gandum, etc..
It happen 13500 years ago.

Then this culture went abroad to India about 5000-7000 yrs ago. & South east asia about 3000-2000 years ago.
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Btw, the date you shared is the timing of rice cultivation or domestication. It doesn't meant first to eat rice.

If you got play games, you gather wild plant first then only upgrade to farming. True to history, human gather wild plant, and how sure are you human didn't gather wild paddy?

And how sure are you the first to gather and eat wild paddy is Chinese?

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Tauhu - Tauhu masak sambal
Tauge - Tauge masak lemak
Kobis - Kobis goreng with turmeric
Fucuk - Fucuk masak lemak
Sawi masak Ikan kering
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Tauhu - Tauhu masak sambal
Tauge - Tauge masak lemak
Kobis - Kobis goreng with turmeric
Fucuk - Fucuk masak lemak
Sawi masak Ikan kering
Telur dadar
Rice

What else... yum yum
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You know this few good food. But you never know there is more higher level excellent taste than those in chinese food. But non-halal people only can taste it... LOL.

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Taugeh Chinese la... Tau (bean) geh (sprout).. So obvious directly translation
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QUOTE(wanted111who @ May 4 2021, 09:24 PM)
How sure are you that Chinese is there one started to discover eating rice.

One advantages China has is they invented word and writing and able to keep the record down. So not surprising historian got their fact based on earliest recorded records.

Animals themselves ate rice. Many history records does show we learning from animals. So if animals was the first one to ate rice, why do you think no other human learning it, that paddy are edible.

Or you dare said human are the one ate rice first before animals and birds? Just because animals don't know how to record the history, doesn't make human the first one to eat it. Same logic.
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Well. There are other civilization who create writing long before Chinese such as egypt, mesopotamia, india (indus).
They never wrote about plant & eat rice.

Chinese only create writing 1200BCE. Dont talk kok k.

Rice cultivation in China thousand years earlier which is 13500 years.
This discovery not based on writing but based on archeology, artifact, tools. Nothing to do invented word or writing.

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Well. There are other civilization who create writing long before Chinese such as egypt, mesopotamia, india (indus).
They never wrote about plant & eat rice.

Chinese only create writing 1200BCE. Dont talk kok k.

Rice cultivation in China thousand years earlier which is 13500 years.
This discovery not based on writing but based on archeology, artifact, tools. Nothing to do invented word or writing.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice

The history of rice cultivation is a long and complicated one. The current scientific consensus, based on archaeological and linguistic evidence, is that Oryza sativa rice was first domesticated in the Yangtze River basin in China 13,500 to 8,200 years ago.
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Ok i came to this thread a bit late, but do you realise that 13500 to 8200 years ago the Yangtze river basin was not populated by the Han Chinese. The culture which became the 'Chinese' were from around the Yellow River which is further north. In fact, if you go and read the related wikipedia article regarding history of rice cultivation, it says this:

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There are two most likely centers of domestication for rice as well as the development of the wetland agriculture technology. The first, and most likely, is in the lower Yangtze River, believed to be the homelands of the pre-Austronesians and possibly also the Kra-Dai, and associated with the Kauhuqiao, Hemudu, Majiabang, Songze, Liangzhu, and Maqiao cultures. It is characterized by pre-Austronesian features, including stilt houses, jade carving, and boat technologies. Their diet were also supplemented by acorns, water chestnuts, foxnuts, and pig domestication.[4][6][9][10][11]

The second is in the middle Yangtze River, believed to be the homelands of the early Hmong-Mien-speakers and associated with the Pengtoushan, Nanmuyuan, Liulinxi, Daxi, Qujialing, and Shijiahe cultures. Both of these regions were heavily populated and had regular trade contacts with each other, as well as with early Austroasiatic speakers to the west, and early Kra-Dai speakers to the south, facilitating the spread of rice cultivation throughout southern China.[6][9][11]


So if we follow wikipedia, the most likely first rice cultivators are pre-Austronesians. Guess who are Austronesians?

Wikipedia Link

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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 10:37 AM)
Ok i came to this thread a bit late, but do you realise that 13500 to 8200 years ago the Yangtze river basin was not populated by the Han Chinese. The culture which became the 'Chinese' were from around the Yellow River which is further north. In fact, if you go and read the related wikipedia article regarding history of rice cultivation, it says this:
So if we follow wikipedia, the most likely first rice cultivators are pre-Austronesians. Guess who are Austronesians?

Wikipedia Link
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Wow, you had proved that not only rice originated in China, but Austronesians as well.
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 10:37 AM)
Ok i came to this thread a bit late, but do you realise that 13500 to 8200 years ago the Yangtze river basin was not populated by the Han Chinese. The culture which became the 'Chinese' were from around the Yellow River which is further north. In fact, if you go and read the related wikipedia article regarding history of rice cultivation, it says this:
So if we follow wikipedia, the most likely first rice cultivators are pre-Austronesians. Guess who are Austronesians?

Wikipedia Link
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who?
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Wow, you had proved that not only rice originated in China, but Austronesians as well.
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Well according to wikipedia both did were in the Yangtze river area. Btw during those period there was no China. So to get back to original topic of TS, rice is not Chinese ingredient that is in Malay food.

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Well according to wikipedia both did were in the Yangtze river area. Btw during those period there was no China. So to get back to original topic of TS, rice is not Chinese ingredient that is in Malay food.
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According to Wikipedia, all human being are African descendant. So rice is nigger food ?!
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Since rice only cultivated when people have left Africa and it was first done by pre-Austronesians who do not resemble Africans anymore and call themselves a different people, then no.

Are you saying you're a nigger since your ancestors were from Africa as well?
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 11:28 AM)
Since rice only cultivated when people have left Africa and it was first done by pre-Austronesians who do not resemble Africans anymore and call themselves a different people, then no.

Are you saying you're a nigger since your ancestors were from Africa as well?
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Since rice only cultivated when people have left Africa and it was first done by pre-Austronesians who do not resemble Africans anymore and call themselves a different people, then no.

Are you saying you're a nigger since your ancestors were from Africa as well?
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pre-Austronesian is not Austronesians as well.

Those we left behind in China eventually called themselves Chinese, and left china call Austronesians by histrorian.

Unless you call yourself African, otherwise your logic dosen't work well.
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pre-Austronesian is not Austronesians as well.

Those we left behind in China eventually called themselves Chinese, and left china call Austronesians by histrorian.

Unless you call yourself African, otherwise your logic dosen't work well.
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So not Chinese la. Later only some become Chinese while others become Austronesians, etc.
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 12:49 PM)
So not Chinese la. Later only some become Chinese while others become Austronesians, etc.
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Human were nomadic and roam around until they became farmer and settled down.

Those Austronesians left China way before rice was even cultivated.
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 10:37 AM)
Ok i came to this thread a bit late, but do you realise that 13500 to 8200 years ago the Yangtze river basin was not populated by the Han Chinese. The culture which became the 'Chinese' were from around the Yellow River which is further north. In fact, if you go and read the related wikipedia article regarding history of rice cultivation, it says this:
So if we follow wikipedia, the most likely first rice cultivators are pre-Austronesians. Guess who are Austronesians?

Wikipedia Link
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'Chinese' and the 'Austronesians' are the same people base on genetic, historical timeline and geographical location.

The rice were first cultivated in the last Ice Age in South East Asia, most probably at the river delta's at Pentas Sunda.

When the people migrate north to 'China' after the Pentas Sunda tenggelam, they brought rice with them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M175
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Based on Sunda Theory is the people originated from Pentas Sunda during the last Ice Age.

When Pentas Sunda sunk around 11000 years ago, the people there flee all over the place.

Later the people met with other people.

The one going north met the Inuit/Siberian.

The one going West met the Indians.

The one going South met the Papuan/Australia aborigines.

The one going East met the Islanders which is similar to Papuan.

From genetic and geographical point of view this make sense.

Of course other than the people in Pentas Sunda there are also traces of 'aborigines' that live in the inland which is similar to the Papuan.

Many of the people also have their own version of the Great Flood Legend depicting the sinking of the Pentas Sunda and people fleeing the continent.

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 01:00 PM)
Human were nomadic and roam around until they became farmer and settled down.

Those Austronesians left China way before rice was even cultivated.
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Eh? Now you don't believe wikipedia anymore? What part of the article I quoted and linked you don't understand? It said specifically that pre-Austronesians first cultivated rice in the Yangtze area. Sudah la, your own source of info also don't support you so just give up man and don't be like Indon want to claim everything (although in this case since most Indonesians are Austronesians, they actually have better claim than you).
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 01:35 PM)
Eh? Now you don't believe wikipedia anymore? What part of the article I quoted and linked you don't understand? It said specifically that pre-Austronesians first cultivated rice in the Yangtze area. Sudah la, your own source of info also don't support you so just give up man and don't be like Indon want to claim everything (although in this case since most Indonesians are Austronesians, they actually have better claim than you).
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Why you kept on associating with pre-Austronesians = Austronesians but refuges to acknowledge pre-Negro = present day negro? Topkek logic right?
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Why you kept on associating with pre-Austronesians = Austronesians but refuges to acknowledge pre-Negro = present day negro? Topkek logic right?
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Go read more la. Pre-Austronesians later mostly became Austronesians la.

Ok if you still want to use silly argument and don't want to accept the above, it still means it was not the Chinese or Chinese precursor culture which first cultivated rice. So no, rice not included in Chinese Ingredients thats is in Malay Food.
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 5 2021, 09:04 AM)
Well. There are other civilization who create writing long before Chinese such as egypt, mesopotamia, india (indus).
They never wrote about plant & eat rice.

Chinese only create writing 1200BCE. Dont talk kok k.

Rice cultivation in China thousand years earlier which is 13500 years.
This discovery not based on writing but based on archeology, artifact, tools. Nothing to do invented word or writing.
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Still first to cultivate rice doesn't mean the first to ever eat rice.

Even if they are the first to ever eat rice it still doesn't meant rice is exclusive to Chinese. Paddy have many types and had grown in many habitats across Asia.

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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 01:55 PM)
Go read more la. Pre-Austronesians later mostly became Austronesians la.

Ok if you still want to use silly argument and don't want to accept the above, it still means it was not the Chinese or Chinese precursor culture which first cultivated rice. So no, rice not included in Chinese Ingredients thats is in Malay Food.
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Many of the Pre-Austronesian later also became Chinese. What is the problem? Those who left china later became Austronesian. Just like those who left Africa became Mongolian ..... etc...

Rice was first cultivated in modern days China that is a fact (with best evidence now), regardless of whether it was cultivated by pre-negros, pre-hans, pre-Austronesians.
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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 02:49 PM)
Many of the Pre-Austronesian later also became Chinese. What is the problem? Those who left china later became Austronesian. Just like those who left Africa became Mongolian ..... etc...

Rice was first cultivated in modern days China that is a fact (with best evidence now), regardless of whether it was cultivated by pre-negros, pre-hans, pre-Austronesians.
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So if pre-austronesians (who are the first cultivators of rice) become austronesians, chinese, etc. what makes it a 'Chinese' ingredient. Don't say because it was cultivated in China la, since no China that time anyway and rice as an ingredient has been used by many cultures since then before China's eventual formation.

Anyway, whatever la, you can claim like the indons la if it makes you feel better.
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 03:00 PM)
So if pre-austronesians (who are the first cultivators of rice) become austronesians, chinese, etc. what makes it a 'Chinese' ingredient. Don't say because it was cultivated in China la, since no China that time anyway and rice as an ingredient has been used by many cultures since then before China's eventual formation.

Anyway, whatever la, you can claim like the indons la if it makes you feel better.
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Are you sure 100% pre-austronesians became austronesians?

The fact is, rice was first cultivated in yangtze river basin, which is modern day china.

Unless there are archeology excavation proof that it was cultivated in other areas at around the same time (+-500 years maybe), it will remains as it is. This is call science. Need proof for whatever you lcaim.
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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 03:09 PM)
Are you sure 100% pre-austronesians became austronesians?

The fact is, rice was first cultivated in yangtze river basin, which is modern day china.

Unless there are archeology excavation proof that it was cultivated in other areas at around the same time (+-500 years maybe), it will remains as it is. This is call science. Need proof for whatever you lcaim.
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Ayo, obvious now you are just being intentionally stupid.

Where did i say 100% pre-austronesians became austronesians? In fact I said the opposite.

Yangtze now is in modern day China (which I also said before), but when it was first cultivated, it was not part of China and the culture that cultivated it was not Chinese (how many times want to repeat?)

Need proof? I gave you links and quote from wikipedia which is based on archeology evidence, you don't see ka? Its the same wikipedia you yourself quoted to say it was first cultivated in Yangtze in first place.

Anyway, I repeat again since you dont seem to understand whatever people write 1st, 2nd, 3rd time - whatever la, you can claim like the indons la if it makes you feel better.
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Still first to cultivate rice doesn't mean the first to ever eat rice.

Even if they are the first to ever eat rice it still doesn't meant rice is exclusive to Chinese. Paddy have many types and had grown in many habitats across Asia.
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U can google la..

Ancient Egyptian staple food is wheat
Ancient Greek staple food are cereals/ wheat/ grape
Ancient Israelite staple food are wheat/ olive
Ancient Indus staple food are wheat/ barley
Ancient Inca staple food are root vegetables
North america ancient tribe staple food are maize/ corn.

The only ancient civilization who eat rice / congee is Chinese civilization which about 13500 years ago.

Other civilization only adopt to eat rice about 5000-7000 years later.

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Ayo, obvious now you are just being intentionally stupid.

Where did i say 100% pre-austronesians became austronesians? In fact I said the opposite.

Yangtze now is in modern day China (which I also said before), but when it was first cultivated, it was not part of China and the culture that cultivated it was not Chinese (how many times want to repeat?)

Need proof? I gave you links and quote from wikipedia which is based on archeology evidence, you don't see ka? Its the same wikipedia you yourself quoted to say it was first cultivated in Yangtze in first place.

Anyway, I repeat again since you dont seem to understand whatever people write 1st, 2nd, 3rd time - whatever la, you can claim like the indons la if it makes you feel better.
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They were not 100% chinese, but they were not 100% austronesian as well right? How can you conclude that they are austronesian?

You are trying to claim that austronesian was the one who cultivated rice. By ignoring the fact the austronesian doesn't exist during that time as well.

You are trying to be smart by linking pre-austronesian to nullify all the fact without supplying further proof of your claim.

The fact remains as fact, show me proof that where on earth another location had discovered paddy field around the same time ???? Whether or not the locals were pre-austronesian or pre-negro, or pre-hans during that time doesn't make any different.


Do you understand what does the PRE <- mean?

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They were not 100% chinese, but they were not 100% austronesian as well right? How can you conclude that they are austronesian?

You are trying to claim that austronesian was the one who cultivated rice. By ignoring the fact the austronesian doesn't exist during that time as well.

You are trying to be smart by linking pre-austronesian to nullify all the fact without supplying further proof of your claim.

The fact remains as fact, show me proof that where on earth another location had discovered paddy field around the same time ???? Whether or not the locals were pre-austronesian or pre-negro, or pre-hans during that time doesn't make any different.
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Again you have trouble understanding? Since it was not Chinese or even in China (since it did not exist then), and many cultures are using it since then even well before China existed. It is hence not a 'Chinese ingredient'.

You want to claim it, no problem as I said before.
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U can google la..

Ancient Egyptian staple food is wheat
Ancient Greek staple food are cereals/ wheat/ grape
Ancient Israelite staple food are wheat/ olive
Ancient Indus staple food are wheat/ barley
Ancient Inca staple food are root vegetables
North america ancient tribe staple food are maize/ corn.

The only ancient civilization who eat rice / congee is Chinese civilization which about 13500 years ago.

Other civilization only adopt to eat rice about 5000-7000 years later.
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So ancient india staple food is what? Ancient korea? Ancient japan? Ancient indo china their staple food is what?

How come you don't understand the logic of be the first to cultivate it doesn't make them the first to eat it.

Bird also eat rice, they don't cultivate rice. So question to you, between Chinese and bird, who was the one first eat rice? You can tell?

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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 03:33 PM)
Again you have trouble understanding? Since it was not Chinese or even in China (since it did not exist then), and many cultures are using it since then even well before China existed. It is hence not a 'Chinese ingredient'.

You want to claim it, no problem as I said before.
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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/how...ng%20originated.

How rice farming may have spread across the ancient world

4000 years ago, China already exist that time.

Those migrate to eurpoe / america never brought rice there.
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So ancient india staple food is what? Ancient korea? Ancient japan? Ancient indo china their staple food is what?
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U read or not? indus valley ancient people (india) eat wheat & barley. Indian not eat rice during that time.
Korea & Japan is new civilization after people migrate from mainland which may exist 10000 years after China civilization.
That's why also their emperor & empire not known to the west/ middle east empire. No contact at all.

Even our own lembah bujang kingdom in Kedah (which now known for paddy field), 2000 years ago may just eat root vegetables, tropical fruits & fern as staple food. There is no paddy field during those time..
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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 03:53 PM)
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/how...ng%20originated.

How rice farming may have spread across the ancient world

4000 years ago, China already exist that time.

Those migrate to eurpoe / america never brought rice there.
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What talk you? 4000 years ago China culture was Xia. Go look where Xia is. Nowhere near Yangtze river. Learn Chinese history man. Those farmers spread rice was from what is now southern China (read your own article you link) and their DNA proved they're different ethnicity (again read your own article).
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 5 2021, 03:54 PM)
U read or not? indus valley ancient people (india) eat wheat & barley. Indian not eat rice during that time.
Korea & Japan is new civilization after people migrate from mainland which may exist 10000 years after China civilization.
That's why also their emperor & empire not known to the west/ middle east empire. No contact at all.

Even our own lembah bujang kingdom in Kedah (which now known for paddy field), 2000 years ago may just eat root vegetables, tropical fruits & fern as staple food. There is no paddy field during those time..
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Lembah bujang no paddy field, got wild paddy or not?
If got wild paddy what makes you think people won't eat it?
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post May 5 2021, 04:39 PM

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Earliest paddy cultivation at Southeast Asia started at Mekong delta and around Tonlé Sap by the Mon and Khmer people?
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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 04:00 PM)
What talk you? 4000 years ago China culture was Xia. Go look where Xia is. Nowhere near Yangtze river. Learn Chinese history man. Those farmers spread rice was from what is now southern China (read your own article you link) and their DNA proved they're different ethnicity (again read your own article).
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DNA is same and Xia is not the only culture in China.

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post May 5 2021, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(sportivo @ May 5 2021, 04:39 PM)
Earliest paddy cultivation at Southeast Asia started at Mekong delta and around Tonlé Sap by the Mon and Khmer  people?
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At Mekong Delta but at the Mekong Delta at Pentas Sunda during ice age.

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post May 5 2021, 04:57 PM

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post May 5 2021, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(reversependulum @ May 5 2021, 04:54 PM)
At Mekong Delta but at the Mekong Delta at Pentas Sunda during ice age.

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Sundaland was the southernmost tip of Asia continent?
Destroyed uninhabited after Toba super volcanic eruption?
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post May 5 2021, 05:10 PM

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has anyone claim water as Chinese ingredient ?
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QUOTE(sportivo @ May 5 2021, 05:06 PM)
Sundaland was the southernmost tip of Asia continent?
Destroyed uninhabited after Toba super volcanic  eruption?
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Didn't we all belajar Pentas Sunda in Sejarah before?

Sundaland aka Pentas Sunda is the land mass connect peninsular Malaysia and Borneo during last ice age.

The last ice age ended around 11700 years ago and result in Pentas Sunda tenggelam.

Toba super volcanic eruption at 75000 years ago.

The people arrived at Pentas Sunda after the Toba super volcanic eruption.

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post May 5 2021, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(reversependulum @ May 5 2021, 05:14 PM)
Didn't we all belajar Pentas Sunda in Sejarah before?

Sundaland aka Pentas Sunda is the land mass connect peninsular Malaysia and Borneo during last ice age.

The last ice age ended around 11700 years ago and result in Pentas Sunda tenggelam.

Toba super volcanic eruption at 75000 years ago.

The people arrived at Pentas Sunda after the Toba super volcanic eruption.
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W&at happened to the Sunda race? Extinct?
Sunda race descendants are Austro-Asiatic people?

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post May 5 2021, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(sportivo @ May 5 2021, 05:16 PM)
W&at happened to the Sunda race? Extinct?
Sunda race descendants are Austro-Asiatic people?
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We are the descendants of the Sunda people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M175
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Based on Sunda Theory is the people originated from Pentas Sunda during the last Ice Age.

When Pentas Sunda sunk around 11000 years ago, the people there flee all over the place.

Later the people met with other people.

The one going north met the Inuit/Siberian.

The one going West met the Indians.

The one going South met the Papuan/Australia aborigines.

The one going East met the Islanders which is similar to Papuan.

From genetic and geographical point of view this make sense.

Of course other than the people in Pentas Sunda there are also traces of 'aborigines' that live in the inland which is similar to the Papuan.

Many of the people also have their own version of the Great Flood Legend depicting the sinking of the Pentas Sunda and people fleeing the continent.

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post May 6 2021, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(wanted111who @ May 5 2021, 04:23 PM)
Lembah bujang no paddy field, got wild paddy or not?
If got wild paddy what makes you think people won't eat it?
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http://journalarticle.ukm.my/13259/1/28422-89078-1-PB.pdf

Long arcticle for u to read.
There are a lot plant (flora) there but none paddy.

Lembah bujang is known as 1st civilization settlement/kingdom in south east asia. known as Kedah Tua kingdom. Happen around 2000 years ago.

Most civilization only learn about paddy/ rice/ congee after they trade with Chinese.

Ingat cerita org2 dulu makan ubi kayu, buah2, pucuk paku, ikan2 tu tipu ke...
Beras susah dapat la.

Ingat raja mesir/ firaun tu makan nasi arab ke? haha..
Yg dia tahu roti dari gandum je.

Ingat maharaja india 10ribu tahun dulu makan beras beriyani ke? haha..
Beriyani tu pun sekitar 500 tahun dulu dlm mughol empire.

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post May 7 2021, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 04:00 PM)
What talk you? 4000 years ago China culture was Xia. Go look where Xia is. Nowhere near Yangtze river. Learn Chinese history man. Those farmers spread rice was from what is now southern China (read your own article you link) and their DNA proved they're different ethnicity (again read your own article).
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Wah, using your logic, curry is not from yindia as well.
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post May 7 2021, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 7 2021, 06:18 PM)
Wah, using your logic, curry is not from yindia as well.
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That's because you're using your screwed logic to interpret what I said.
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QUOTE(prince12 @ May 4 2021, 03:20 PM)
Keropok crispy, delicious!
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chinese ke?
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post May 7 2021, 10:17 PM

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how about

so hun
black fungus
close cup musroom that in canned
also fat choi




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post May 9 2021, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 7 2021, 10:02 PM)
That's because you're using your screwed logic to interpret what I said.
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Ya, resort to personal attack when losing a debate.
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 6 2021, 08:50 AM)
http://journalarticle.ukm.my/13259/1/28422-89078-1-PB.pdf

Long arcticle for u to read.
There are a lot plant (flora) there but none paddy.

Lembah bujang is known as 1st civilization settlement/kingdom in south east asia. known as Kedah Tua kingdom. Happen around 2000 years ago.

Most civilization only learn about paddy/ rice/ congee after they trade with Chinese.

Ingat cerita org2 dulu makan ubi kayu, buah2, pucuk paku, ikan2 tu tipu ke...
Beras susah dapat la.

Ingat raja mesir/ firaun tu makan nasi arab ke? haha..
Yg dia tahu roti dari gandum je.

Ingat maharaja india 10ribu tahun dulu makan beras beriyani ke? haha..
Beriyani tu pun sekitar 500 tahun dulu dlm mughol empire.
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Bujang is not the 1st civilization/kingdom in SEA. Bujang is not even the only kingdom that time period. There is Chi Tu at Kelantan, Gelanggi at Johor and others more.

South East Asia is the first to cultivate rice during the last ice age and the same people bring it to China after the ice age ended.

The theory that rice originate from China is false because China is not suitable to cultivate rice during the ice age, because you know ice age?


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post May 9 2021, 12:48 PM

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AYAM MAKE A SUMMARY

Tauhu - Tauhu masak sambal
Tauge - Tauge masak lemak
Kobis - Kobis goreng with turmeric
Fucuk - Fucuk masak lemak
Sawi masak Ikan kering
Telur dadar
Oyster sauce
Kicap
Minyak Bijan
Cendawan
Noodles also come from China
sawi pak choy
Taucu masak ikan
Kalian ikan masin
cincau
so hun
black fungus
close cup musroom that in canned
fat choi


Which one is wrong?
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QUOTE(reversependulum @ May 9 2021, 11:19 AM)
Bujang is not the 1st civilization/kingdom in SEA. Bujang is not even the only kingdom that time period. There is Chi Tu at Kelantan, Gelanggi at Johor and others more.

South East Asia is the first to cultivate rice during the last ice age and the same people bring it to China after the ice age ended.

The theory that rice originate from China is false because China is not suitable to cultivate rice during the ice age, because you know ice age?
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Lembah bujang is over 2000 yrs old.

Chih Tu & gelanggi is new about 600 different la. 6th century.

Ige age happen 2.6million yrs ago. Human civilization also not exist.

Nak kelentong tu, logik la sikit.

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 9 2021, 02:23 PM)
Lembah bujang is over 2000 yrs old.

Chih Tu & gelanggi is new about 600 different la. 6th century.

Ige age happen 2.6million yrs ago. Human also not exist.

Nak kelentong tu, logik la sikit.
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From 100 BC is > 2000 years ago. Those kingdoms timeline overlapped with each other.
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The Chi Tu kingdom is believed to have existed as early as 100 BC to the 6th century AD.[1] The royal family's name was Chu-dan (which means Gautama Buddha) and the king was Li-fo-duo-se.[2] According to Chinese records, Chi Tu was built by kit mow (Mon-Khmer) peoples who sailed from the coast of Funan (southern Indochina). Centuries later, the local inhabitants, replaced Funan peoples. "... Chi Tu is a derivation nation of Funan, located in within the southern sea, sailing hundred days to reach, the majority terrain was red, thus named Red Earth Kingdom (Chi means red, Tu means earth). East bordering Po-Lo-La, West bordering Po-Lo-So, South bordering Ho Lo Tan, thousands of square miles in land area.[3] The king has three wives and the kingdom embraced Buddhism ...".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Tu


The last ice age or the scientific term the last glacial period ended 11,700 years ago. In fact we are still consider in the ice age, but just in the interglacial period started 11,700 years ago.
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The Last Glacial Period (LGP) occurred from the end of the Eemian to the end of the Younger Dryas, encompassing the period c. 115,000 – c. 11,700 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period


The last few ice age cycle glacial and interglacial period happens in a cycle around 100+k years per cycle.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

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