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RobUlstan
post May 5 2021, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 4 2021, 02:15 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice

The history of rice cultivation is a long and complicated one. The current scientific consensus, based on archaeological and linguistic evidence, is that Oryza sativa rice was first domesticated in the Yangtze River basin in China 13,500 to 8,200 years ago.
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Ok i came to this thread a bit late, but do you realise that 13500 to 8200 years ago the Yangtze river basin was not populated by the Han Chinese. The culture which became the 'Chinese' were from around the Yellow River which is further north. In fact, if you go and read the related wikipedia article regarding history of rice cultivation, it says this:

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There are two most likely centers of domestication for rice as well as the development of the wetland agriculture technology. The first, and most likely, is in the lower Yangtze River, believed to be the homelands of the pre-Austronesians and possibly also the Kra-Dai, and associated with the Kauhuqiao, Hemudu, Majiabang, Songze, Liangzhu, and Maqiao cultures. It is characterized by pre-Austronesian features, including stilt houses, jade carving, and boat technologies. Their diet were also supplemented by acorns, water chestnuts, foxnuts, and pig domestication.[4][6][9][10][11]

The second is in the middle Yangtze River, believed to be the homelands of the early Hmong-Mien-speakers and associated with the Pengtoushan, Nanmuyuan, Liulinxi, Daxi, Qujialing, and Shijiahe cultures. Both of these regions were heavily populated and had regular trade contacts with each other, as well as with early Austroasiatic speakers to the west, and early Kra-Dai speakers to the south, facilitating the spread of rice cultivation throughout southern China.[6][9][11]


So if we follow wikipedia, the most likely first rice cultivators are pre-Austronesians. Guess who are Austronesians?

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post May 5 2021, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 10:59 AM)
Wow, you had proved that not only rice originated in China, but Austronesians as well.
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Well according to wikipedia both did were in the Yangtze river area. Btw during those period there was no China. So to get back to original topic of TS, rice is not Chinese ingredient that is in Malay food.

QUOTE(Haters_Gonna_H8 @ May 5 2021, 11:06 AM)
who?
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Austronesian Peoples

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post May 5 2021, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 11:25 AM)
According to Wikipedia, all human being are African descendant. So rice is nigger food ?!
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Since rice only cultivated when people have left Africa and it was first done by pre-Austronesians who do not resemble Africans anymore and call themselves a different people, then no.

Are you saying you're a nigger since your ancestors were from Africa as well?
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post May 5 2021, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 12:16 PM)
pre-Austronesian is not Austronesians as well.

Those we left behind in China eventually called themselves Chinese, and left china call Austronesians by histrorian.

Unless you call yourself African, otherwise your logic dosen't work well.
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So not Chinese la. Later only some become Chinese while others become Austronesians, etc.
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post May 5 2021, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 01:00 PM)
Human were nomadic and roam around until they became farmer and settled down.

Those Austronesians left China way before rice was even cultivated.
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Eh? Now you don't believe wikipedia anymore? What part of the article I quoted and linked you don't understand? It said specifically that pre-Austronesians first cultivated rice in the Yangtze area. Sudah la, your own source of info also don't support you so just give up man and don't be like Indon want to claim everything (although in this case since most Indonesians are Austronesians, they actually have better claim than you).
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post May 5 2021, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 01:39 PM)
Why you kept on associating with pre-Austronesians = Austronesians but refuges to acknowledge pre-Negro = present day negro? Topkek logic right?
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Go read more la. Pre-Austronesians later mostly became Austronesians la.

Ok if you still want to use silly argument and don't want to accept the above, it still means it was not the Chinese or Chinese precursor culture which first cultivated rice. So no, rice not included in Chinese Ingredients thats is in Malay Food.
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post May 5 2021, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 02:49 PM)
Many of the Pre-Austronesian later also became Chinese. What is the problem? Those who left china later became Austronesian. Just like those who left Africa became Mongolian ..... etc...

Rice was first cultivated in modern days China that is a fact (with best evidence now), regardless of whether it was cultivated by pre-negros, pre-hans, pre-Austronesians.
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So if pre-austronesians (who are the first cultivators of rice) become austronesians, chinese, etc. what makes it a 'Chinese' ingredient. Don't say because it was cultivated in China la, since no China that time anyway and rice as an ingredient has been used by many cultures since then before China's eventual formation.

Anyway, whatever la, you can claim like the indons la if it makes you feel better.
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post May 5 2021, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 03:09 PM)
Are you sure 100% pre-austronesians became austronesians?

The fact is, rice was first cultivated in yangtze river basin, which is modern day china.

Unless there are archeology excavation proof that it was cultivated in other areas at around the same time (+-500 years maybe), it will remains as it is. This is call science. Need proof for whatever you lcaim.
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Ayo, obvious now you are just being intentionally stupid.

Where did i say 100% pre-austronesians became austronesians? In fact I said the opposite.

Yangtze now is in modern day China (which I also said before), but when it was first cultivated, it was not part of China and the culture that cultivated it was not Chinese (how many times want to repeat?)

Need proof? I gave you links and quote from wikipedia which is based on archeology evidence, you don't see ka? Its the same wikipedia you yourself quoted to say it was first cultivated in Yangtze in first place.

Anyway, I repeat again since you dont seem to understand whatever people write 1st, 2nd, 3rd time - whatever la, you can claim like the indons la if it makes you feel better.
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post May 5 2021, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 03:25 PM)
They were not 100% chinese, but they were not 100% austronesian as well right? How can you conclude that they are austronesian?

You are trying to claim that austronesian was the one who cultivated rice. By ignoring the fact the austronesian doesn't exist during that time as well.

You are trying to be smart by linking pre-austronesian to nullify all the fact without supplying further proof of your claim.

The fact remains as fact, show me proof that where on earth another location had discovered paddy field around the same time ???? Whether or not the locals were pre-austronesian or pre-negro, or pre-hans during that time doesn't make any different.
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Again you have trouble understanding? Since it was not Chinese or even in China (since it did not exist then), and many cultures are using it since then even well before China existed. It is hence not a 'Chinese ingredient'.

You want to claim it, no problem as I said before.
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post May 5 2021, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 5 2021, 03:53 PM)
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/how...ng%20originated.

How rice farming may have spread across the ancient world

4000 years ago, China already exist that time.

Those migrate to eurpoe / america never brought rice there.
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What talk you? 4000 years ago China culture was Xia. Go look where Xia is. Nowhere near Yangtze river. Learn Chinese history man. Those farmers spread rice was from what is now southern China (read your own article you link) and their DNA proved they're different ethnicity (again read your own article).
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post May 7 2021, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 7 2021, 06:18 PM)
Wah, using your logic, curry is not from yindia as well.
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That's because you're using your screwed logic to interpret what I said.

 

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