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wanted111who
post May 4 2021, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(jibpek @ May 4 2021, 02:15 PM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice

The history of rice cultivation is a long and complicated one. The current scientific consensus, based on archaeological and linguistic evidence, is that Oryza sativa rice was first domesticated in the Yangtze River basin in China 13,500 to 8,200 years ago.
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Rice farming started by Chinese, doesn't meant it belong to Chinese, the plant itself isn't exclusive to Chinese. There are other variant that's considered wild paddy mostly found in North America.

Of course, all paddy was wild before the very first human cultivate it. It grow across Asia and North America


Don't be like someone, suka suka claim, not that it earn you anything also.

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post May 4 2021, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 08:41 PM)
Rice & cabbage part of chinese ingredient la.. without it, most chinese dishes not complete.

What I mean we dont care whatever western chef said. They dont know how to cook asian food. Why we must listen to them?
No weight given for their opinion as we dont eat pizza everyday.
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Things that i ate everyday. Shrimp paste, chilly, coconut milk . My meal definitely got one of this 3.

So without it, the meal taste no good?

And for fruits, durian, mango, banana.papaya.

Come come make claim it is all Chinese.

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post May 4 2021, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 08:56 PM)
Wild rice@ poacea not related to rice@oryza sativa that we eat. Different species of grass
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Just an examples, whole asia have many varieties of paddy. Mount paddy, sticky rice, basmati rice. All different. Want to claim all from China? You sure?

First in the region to cultivate it maybe you can claim, but even that how sure are you that there is none cultivate it before China? One advantages China has is they invented word and writing and able to keep the record down. So not surprising historian got their fact based on earliest recorded records.

Take Malaysia for examples, even the story of parameswara wasn't recorded in writing, if it was, I'm not aware of it. The visit of Malacca sultanate to Ming court also recorded from Ming dynasty end but not sure if sultanate have their own records.

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post May 4 2021, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 09:14 PM)
Its nothing to with paddy variety.
We have our own noddle, sushi, pizza too ,different variety . But origin from other country & culture.

However, the fact is that origin of eat rice, plant paddy is from China. Chinese eat rice while other civilization eat ubi kayu, kentang, gandum, etc..
It happen 13500 years ago.

Then this culture went abroad to India about 5000-7000 yrs ago. & South east asia about 3000-2000 years ago.
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How sure are you that Chinese is there one started to discover eating rice.

One advantages China has is they invented word and writing and able to keep the record down. So not surprising historian got their fact based on earliest recorded records.

Animals themselves ate rice. Many history records does show we learning from animals. So if animals was the first one to ate rice, why do you think no other human learning it, that paddy are edible.

Or you dare said human are the one ate rice first before animals and birds? Just because animals don't know how to record the history, doesn't make human the first one to eat it. Same logic.

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post May 4 2021, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 4 2021, 09:14 PM)
Its nothing to with paddy variety.
We have our own noddle, sushi, pizza too ,different variety . But origin from other country & culture.

However, the fact is that origin of eat rice, plant paddy is from China. Chinese eat rice while other civilization eat ubi kayu, kentang, gandum, etc..
It happen 13500 years ago.

Then this culture went abroad to India about 5000-7000 yrs ago. & South east asia about 3000-2000 years ago.
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Btw, the date you shared is the timing of rice cultivation or domestication. It doesn't meant first to eat rice.

If you got play games, you gather wild plant first then only upgrade to farming. True to history, human gather wild plant, and how sure are you human didn't gather wild paddy?

And how sure are you the first to gather and eat wild paddy is Chinese?

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post May 5 2021, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 5 2021, 09:04 AM)
Well. There are other civilization who create writing long before Chinese such as egypt, mesopotamia, india (indus).
They never wrote about plant & eat rice.

Chinese only create writing 1200BCE. Dont talk kok k.

Rice cultivation in China thousand years earlier which is 13500 years.
This discovery not based on writing but based on archeology, artifact, tools. Nothing to do invented word or writing.
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Still first to cultivate rice doesn't mean the first to ever eat rice.

Even if they are the first to ever eat rice it still doesn't meant rice is exclusive to Chinese. Paddy have many types and had grown in many habitats across Asia.

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post May 5 2021, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 5 2021, 03:21 PM)
U can google la..

Ancient Egyptian staple food is wheat
Ancient Greek staple food are cereals/ wheat/ grape
Ancient Israelite staple food are wheat/ olive
Ancient Indus staple food are wheat/ barley
Ancient Inca staple food are root vegetables
North america ancient tribe staple food are maize/ corn.

The only ancient civilization who eat rice / congee is Chinese civilization which about 13500 years ago.

Other civilization only adopt to eat rice about 5000-7000 years later.
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So ancient india staple food is what? Ancient korea? Ancient japan? Ancient indo china their staple food is what?

How come you don't understand the logic of be the first to cultivate it doesn't make them the first to eat it.

Bird also eat rice, they don't cultivate rice. So question to you, between Chinese and bird, who was the one first eat rice? You can tell?

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post May 5 2021, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 5 2021, 03:54 PM)
U read or not? indus valley ancient people (india) eat wheat & barley. Indian not eat rice during that time.
Korea & Japan is new civilization after people migrate from mainland which may exist 10000 years after China civilization.
That's why also their emperor & empire not known to the west/ middle east empire. No contact at all.

Even our own lembah bujang kingdom in Kedah (which now known for paddy field), 2000 years ago may just eat root vegetables, tropical fruits & fern as staple food. There is no paddy field during those time..
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Lembah bujang no paddy field, got wild paddy or not?
If got wild paddy what makes you think people won't eat it?

 

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