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reversependulum
post May 5 2021, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 10:37 AM)
Ok i came to this thread a bit late, but do you realise that 13500 to 8200 years ago the Yangtze river basin was not populated by the Han Chinese. The culture which became the 'Chinese' were from around the Yellow River which is further north. In fact, if you go and read the related wikipedia article regarding history of rice cultivation, it says this:
So if we follow wikipedia, the most likely first rice cultivators are pre-Austronesians. Guess who are Austronesians?

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'Chinese' and the 'Austronesians' are the same people base on genetic, historical timeline and geographical location.

The rice were first cultivated in the last Ice Age in South East Asia, most probably at the river delta's at Pentas Sunda.

When the people migrate north to 'China' after the Pentas Sunda tenggelam, they brought rice with them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M175
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Based on Sunda Theory is the people originated from Pentas Sunda during the last Ice Age.

When Pentas Sunda sunk around 11000 years ago, the people there flee all over the place.

Later the people met with other people.

The one going north met the Inuit/Siberian.

The one going West met the Indians.

The one going South met the Papuan/Australia aborigines.

The one going East met the Islanders which is similar to Papuan.

From genetic and geographical point of view this make sense.

Of course other than the people in Pentas Sunda there are also traces of 'aborigines' that live in the inland which is similar to the Papuan.

Many of the people also have their own version of the Great Flood Legend depicting the sinking of the Pentas Sunda and people fleeing the continent.

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post May 5 2021, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(RobUlstan @ May 5 2021, 04:00 PM)
What talk you? 4000 years ago China culture was Xia. Go look where Xia is. Nowhere near Yangtze river. Learn Chinese history man. Those farmers spread rice was from what is now southern China (read your own article you link) and their DNA proved they're different ethnicity (again read your own article).
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DNA is same and Xia is not the only culture in China.

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post May 5 2021, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(sportivo @ May 5 2021, 04:39 PM)
Earliest paddy cultivation at Southeast Asia started at Mekong delta and around Tonlé Sap by the Mon and Khmer  people?
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At Mekong Delta but at the Mekong Delta at Pentas Sunda during ice age.

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post May 5 2021, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(sportivo @ May 5 2021, 05:06 PM)
Sundaland was the southernmost tip of Asia continent?
Destroyed uninhabited after Toba super volcanic  eruption?
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Didn't we all belajar Pentas Sunda in Sejarah before?

Sundaland aka Pentas Sunda is the land mass connect peninsular Malaysia and Borneo during last ice age.

The last ice age ended around 11700 years ago and result in Pentas Sunda tenggelam.

Toba super volcanic eruption at 75000 years ago.

The people arrived at Pentas Sunda after the Toba super volcanic eruption.

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post May 5 2021, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(sportivo @ May 5 2021, 05:16 PM)
W&at happened to the Sunda race? Extinct?
Sunda race descendants are Austro-Asiatic people?
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We are the descendants of the Sunda people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M175
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Based on Sunda Theory is the people originated from Pentas Sunda during the last Ice Age.

When Pentas Sunda sunk around 11000 years ago, the people there flee all over the place.

Later the people met with other people.

The one going north met the Inuit/Siberian.

The one going West met the Indians.

The one going South met the Papuan/Australia aborigines.

The one going East met the Islanders which is similar to Papuan.

From genetic and geographical point of view this make sense.

Of course other than the people in Pentas Sunda there are also traces of 'aborigines' that live in the inland which is similar to the Papuan.

Many of the people also have their own version of the Great Flood Legend depicting the sinking of the Pentas Sunda and people fleeing the continent.

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post May 9 2021, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 6 2021, 08:50 AM)
http://journalarticle.ukm.my/13259/1/28422-89078-1-PB.pdf

Long arcticle for u to read.
There are a lot plant (flora) there but none paddy.

Lembah bujang is known as 1st civilization settlement/kingdom in south east asia. known as Kedah Tua kingdom. Happen around 2000 years ago.

Most civilization only learn about paddy/ rice/ congee after they trade with Chinese.

Ingat cerita org2 dulu makan ubi kayu, buah2, pucuk paku, ikan2 tu tipu ke...
Beras susah dapat la.

Ingat raja mesir/ firaun tu makan nasi arab ke? haha..
Yg dia tahu roti dari gandum je.

Ingat maharaja india 10ribu tahun dulu makan beras beriyani ke? haha..
Beriyani tu pun sekitar 500 tahun dulu dlm mughol empire.
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Bujang is not the 1st civilization/kingdom in SEA. Bujang is not even the only kingdom that time period. There is Chi Tu at Kelantan, Gelanggi at Johor and others more.

South East Asia is the first to cultivate rice during the last ice age and the same people bring it to China after the ice age ended.

The theory that rice originate from China is false because China is not suitable to cultivate rice during the ice age, because you know ice age?


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post May 9 2021, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ May 9 2021, 02:23 PM)
Lembah bujang is over 2000 yrs old.

Chih Tu & gelanggi is new about 600 different la. 6th century.

Ige age happen 2.6million yrs ago. Human also not exist.

Nak kelentong tu, logik la sikit.
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From 100 BC is > 2000 years ago. Those kingdoms timeline overlapped with each other.
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The Chi Tu kingdom is believed to have existed as early as 100 BC to the 6th century AD.[1] The royal family's name was Chu-dan (which means Gautama Buddha) and the king was Li-fo-duo-se.[2] According to Chinese records, Chi Tu was built by kit mow (Mon-Khmer) peoples who sailed from the coast of Funan (southern Indochina). Centuries later, the local inhabitants, replaced Funan peoples. "... Chi Tu is a derivation nation of Funan, located in within the southern sea, sailing hundred days to reach, the majority terrain was red, thus named Red Earth Kingdom (Chi means red, Tu means earth). East bordering Po-Lo-La, West bordering Po-Lo-So, South bordering Ho Lo Tan, thousands of square miles in land area.[3] The king has three wives and the kingdom embraced Buddhism ...".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Tu


The last ice age or the scientific term the last glacial period ended 11,700 years ago. In fact we are still consider in the ice age, but just in the interglacial period started 11,700 years ago.
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The Last Glacial Period (LGP) occurred from the end of the Eemian to the end of the Younger Dryas, encompassing the period c. 115,000 – c. 11,700 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period


The last few ice age cycle glacial and interglacial period happens in a cycle around 100+k years per cycle.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

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