Well at that time china wasn't as much of a dick as today.
They were pretty quit friendly then. At that point 9 dash and Chinese intrusion isn't really a public news.

Can you explain how exactly we target moving ships using SPH? Anyway if we can do that, less reason that we don't have enough ammo to sink chinese ships in the strait.



This is not Pirates of the Carribbean



We can have enough ships if we buy fit for purpose vessels. salvae tugs are cheap, and can stay out at sea for months if we want to use them like chinese coast guard does at james shoal.

Chinese coast guard use it as you said it to stay at sea for months.
They need to stay for months because they are so far away from their own country and resupplying is difficult.

So why would MMEA need this kind of capacity?

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because

1. we don't have many assets and we need to be on location where the chinese coast guard are every single day of the year.

2. MMEA was toying with the idea of "mother ships", which has less utility (and much more expensive as it is custom made) than a large salvage tug. A salvage tug can do most of the things a mother ship can, and much more.

3. it is a quick and cheap way to get robust OPVs for MMEA. Because MMEA (and malaysia in general) desperately needs large OPVs to counter the chinese coast guard presence in our EEZ.

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 4 2021, 12:56 AM

I assume they don't need such capacity because the EEZ is in our territories afterall and we can just change ship to look after the Chinese. They however don't have such luxury yet.


MMEA like BAKAMLA seems obsessed with having guns that's has anti air and anti surface components to it, So these organization seem More intended for war 1st and would do law enforcement during peacetime. So basically they are more similar to PGA? They are there to do the jobs the navy used to do while the navy themselves would go further out into international waters. Isn't that why ID,SG & MY navy ship had increase in sizes recently?

Personally whichever ship MMEA going to choose as the mothership, and since MMEA like BAKAMLA are also obsessed with having commonalities of equipment with their respective navy. Would mean the navy would get an upgraded version of such mothership vessel in the future just like how the talks are that the rebooted LMS is going to be a damen sigma?

Like i said this is not 'just' a borders dispute like Sipadan or batu putih.
The Chinese coast guard themselves are operating under the military police, They are afterall a military organization

it doesn't seem to me that what MMEA would want to do is to buy cheap ship that a sitting duck during wartime nor they want to match 1 to 1 of the numbers of Chinese ship. Seem like what they wanted to do is to have enough ship & gun to provide coastal defense.

Construction progress of Indonesian Navy new Hospital Ship at PT PAL Shipyard.

rip soldiers
papua is still an active combat zone

Four Soldiers Killed By KSB At The Kisor Koramil Post, TNI Immediately Conducts Investigations

JAYAPURA - Commander of Kodam XVIII Kasuari Major General TNI I Nyoman Chantiasa stated that he was still investigating the attack on an armed civilian group (KSB) at the Kisor Koramil Post, Mybrat Regency. 50 people. "As a result of the attack, four TNI-AD soldiers were reported to have died from their injuries," said Commander of the XVIII Kasuari Military Command Major General I Nyoman Chantiasa as quoted by Antara, Thursday, September 2. which group.

"Later I will give a press statement regarding the incident," said TNI Major General Chantiasa. When asked about the situation in Kisor, the former Kasdam XVII Cenderawasih asked for time because the investigation was still ongoing. The four soldiers who died in the incident were Sergeant Amrosius, Praka Dirham, Pvt. Zul Ansari and Lt. CHB Dirman, while Sgt. Juliano and Pr. Ikbal. Previously, First Lieutenant CHB Dirman, who served as Danramil Kisor, was reported missing with Private Ikbal.

https://voi.id/en/news/81379/four-soldiers-...-investigations

RIP. Condolences to the families.

MMEA don't have enough big ships! Why we need big ships ASAP. Salvage tugs can give that to us with low costs.

Only your assumption, not reality. MMEA has at most manual 40mm bofors and 30mm RCWS. Those are not intended or capable for war first.


MMEA main mission is maritime policing during peacetime. Enabling ships to safely sail malaysian waters and EEZ, and enabling uninhibited malaysian economic activities, not blocked or harassed by chinese coast guard or any other foreign forces.

whether it will be a sitting duck in wartime will be the least concern. It will be not as if the whole MMEA fleet will consist of salvage tugs. there should be around 4, while other big ships should be proper OPVs. Even the proposed "motherships" would be a big fat sitting duck during wartime. Salvage tugs could at least help TLDM ships if they are hit by missiles, towing them away to safety, put out fires, rescue survivors.

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 4 2021, 10:15 AM

I still don't get it.

Why can't jabatan laut bought those tugs and operate it the same way you envision MMEA operating those tug.

I still don't get the distinction of jabatan laut,polis marine, kastam and MMEA, seem like they all doing the same thing

Because jabatan laut does not have the power to do enforcement. MMEA does under Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency Act 2004.

APMM AKTA 633

Korean news outlets states that TD is looking at around 400 6x6 and another 36 4x4 exclusive for UN use.

tawar aja
Dlu Hanwha siap test Tigon kat Malaysia lagi 2018

sempat la aku naik jap

So this one they shiok sendiri offer or TD do have a requirement?

This 6x6 has been on display by various contractors for a while now.

Dia offer pasal kita buat pembelian 4x4 untuk UN
Salesman pitch maa

Since TD still needs 6x6 to fill the holes left by sibmas in our Armour doctrine

TD needs it, but it is still up to the gomen to procure it.

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If 6x6 is needed to fill holes left by sibmas in our cavalry regiments, what holes did the gempita fill?

What are the missions that the 6x6 need to fulfill. What missions has thr gempita fulfilled?

Gempita number is not as many as Condor+Sibmas combination
plus the role of Gempita is now much more because of the multi-variant task and role

6x6 in this case will be much more nimble compare to the 8x8

even though not as stable as Gempita the smaller size eans it is better to be use as recon and tank hunting which is used to be SIBMAS role in the past

the last time the Sibmas always go further then the condor in the jungle operation due to it better terrain capability and cockerill, Sibmas able to give some support fire as well hence the FSV role

I say french should be favorite since their jaguar platforms can be SPH, simbas replacement and even scorpion replacement (if TD wants one)

Don't mind Hyundai rotem but please no manwha please 🥺

Read somewhere that current clvalry is filled with Adnan & gembita while armor use condors and pendekar.

So replace the Adnan with 6x6 to create a proper calvary then transfer those Adnan to armor to create a proper armour regiment?

Maybe they wanted it just to be compatible with other nato allied army and get themselves some Expeditory capabilities?

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 5 2021, 05:12 PM

actually gempita number in Cavalry is much more than sibmas.

Gempita is in 3 cavalry regiment, with only 1 in mechanised infantry battalion.

Gempita in cavalry regiment 1KAD, 2KAD and 3 KAD with gempita + condor. Gempita variants in KAD : 78 AFV30, 54 LCT30 and 24 SURV VINGTAQS.

so what was condor's original mission in cavalry regiments? what is the ideal replacement for those missions? Do we need to replace 4x4 condors with 6x6 IFVs?




you need to have better reading materials as your understanding of malaysian armored vehicles is bad.

there are zero adnans in cavalry regiments.

most adnans and KIFVs is in mechanised infantry battalions, with some in 11KAD with our tanks and some with para armor squadron replacing the scorpions.

Again we are not Nato or usa. We dont need expeditionary or even marine corps capabilities. We are just defending our own territory.

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 5 2021, 06:26 PM

I am also of the opinion that we dont need expensive and heavy MRAP like the MILDEF Tarantula.

Why is it so heavy (14 ton, same as Adnan) when it has exactly the same armor performance as the Condor (resistant for 7.62 AP)? Other MRAP has better armor capabilities.

How many millions of dollars will these Tarantula cost?



This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 5 2021, 06:24 PM