High speed is useful for sprint and shoot

Hellfire VL for what lol. Might as well pack more antiship missiles

C-705 for what lol. Use shitty China antiship missiles to chase China CSGs. Lmao

Ohh patut laa

betul la ni based on dong feng tu kan?

Why 50 knot sprinting is so important when you have 100++km range anti ship missiles you can shoot from very far away? still 28++ knots is faster than LMS, and it can maintain that 28++ knot speed for more than 2500 nm, not just maximum speed for a few minutes like normal FAC does

You want to shoot anti ship missiles at this?

That is where the VL Hellfire or CM-501GA comes in.

China CSG is to be shadowed by scorpenes, not LMS.

Question: who's going to acquire the target for your 100km++ range missiles?

Use Hellfire to shoot missile boat armed with missile 10x the range of the Hellfire, pandainyer

Your CONOPS got big ass problem
of which we have so many amirite

- FAC/LMS will operate within the coverage of Malaysian Maritime Sea Surveillance System (Swasla), melacca straits, Langkawi archipelago. Off mersing, tawau and sandakan waters. That is one way.

- Satellite geospatial imaging

- UAVs such as scaneagle or future TUDM MALE UAV.

So how would you kill those small missile boats  instead? Those missile boats also have the same problem acquiring long range targets.

Because we don't have many lah we cannot afford to waste money buying weak RLMS and kedah batch 2. So we can save money to buy more submarines.

We should concentrate on perfecting the anti-piracy and border control mission. Full stop.

We don't have money to fight a peer war in the first place, not unless we triple our defence budget and use it very wisely for the next 3 decades at least. We should concentrate on perfecting the anti-piracy and border control mission. Full stop.

Anyway that floating Pagar that sinkie like to use seems like a very cost effective solution in border control. Wonder how much is the cost for it.

anti piracy and border control does not need 50 knots FAC using 5 gas turbines for power. full stop.

Heck it does not even need a navy for that, just adequately funded coast guard.

Floating pagar?

Can't comment on the political side. But what I have heard is that we have a lot of poaching in our EEZ, from neighbours as well as China, smuggling and human trafficking, and in Sabah side there had previously been real concerns with security even before LD - there is a not-insignificant cost to private sector of securing the various enterprises there such as fish farms etc
Precisely.

I mean the human traffickers had stop trying to come here directly by boat, they used to come by land through Thailand but when it isn't possible anymore they now using ID as transit, send them by fast boat from Sumatra and dump them few km from the mangrove coast.

Ah I see. Not sure how those barriers can be effective.

I really don't know, but we could try. More coastal radars to detect smugglers, more manpower and fast interceptors to investigate contacts, more coastal army patrols...? As we saw from Ops Benteng, it's not that we are totally ignorant and incapable; it's just that priorities are elsewhere.

If not mistaken those floating barrier would damage any boat rudders who try to ram it, and equip with sensor if people try to swim through it allerting land crew to intercept them as they swim ashore. Personally, it may turn out as a very cost effective solution since intercepting by boat aren't exactly cheap.

Anti smuggling & human trafficking are only a recent security problems. It's was quite profitable back then to allowed the exploitation of foreigners then, until it wasn't as a result of western sanction.

But As for the Sulu sea, it's understandable. There's not much money to be made there for now and thus securing it's isn't much priorities. MY makes money from trade at SOM & oil at SCS and thus there's where most of the security installation is. Thought it might evolve into another important waterways once MY&ID artificial limit on SOM happened. And thus more & more resources would be used to secure it.

if
alexLMS
- 50-60m length
- price RM100 million including anti-ship missile module, RM60 million without modules.
- maximum speed more than 28 knots
- range at maintained maximum speed at least 2500 nm
- Crew 24-30 only
- 1x 30mm gun
- 1x 6-7m RHIB
- Inflatable anti-ship decoy system, chaff/flare decoys
- up to 4 containers location for the placement of anti-ship missile module, low cost towed array sonar module, unmanned mine countermeasure modules, SAR/HADR module, Decompression modules and others.
- missile module (2x TEU side by side footprint) consisting of 8 AShM of C-705 size and price and 24-36 small vertical launched missiles of VL Hellfire or CM-501GA.
-  low cost towed array sonar module (1x TEU) of SEA thin line KraitArray towed Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) sonar. SEA is the manufacturer of Maharajalela torpedo launchers.

Operational mission profile

- as patrol/FAC in melacca straits, Langkawi archipelago. Off mersing, tawau and sandakan waters. Fast, high maneuverability, small size will make this possible, while also hiding near islands and civilian boats to do ambush.

- as wingmans to Maharajalela frigates in ASW missions. 1x Gowind and 2x alexLMS. 1x CAPTAS2 TAS and 2x KraitArray TAS deployed.  A better operational concept than to depend on ASW helicopter using dipping sonar.

- MCM missions, using future unmanned MCM modules. 1x MCM mothership (OSV ship bought used) and 2-4x alexLMS.

- long range shadow, chase of all foreign naval ships in malaysian waters+EEZ. the ability to sail full speed for at least 2500nm is crucial for these missions.

Is this impossible? There are actually existing ships that can do this. My ideal alexLMS can more than do all the missions and more of what you ask me to google. Do you think what TLDM wants in its next LMS Batch 2 better than this?

True, it is always down to resources. But I was proposing theoretically what if we were to reprioritise the entire military budget though, I'm sure we could do a lot. (Not 100% serious, but as a thought exercise.)

For example, our coastline is supposedly 4,675 km; we can theoretically redirect manpower to patrolling/monitoring it at a rate of 10 men per km well within our resources if we wanted. That would significantly hamper trafficking and smuggling, surely. Not by creating a foolproof solution, but by raising the probability and rate of interception high enough that it becomes cost ineffective to the smugglers.

And RM 2 billion capex every year for new patrol vehicles and sensors and barriers, that's a lot of moolah.

UK wins Indonesian export contract for new frigates

By George Allison - September 16, 2021

DSEI 2021- Babcock has secured the first export contract for its Arrowhead 140 frigate through a design licence agreement with PT PAL Indonesia, a state-owned enterprise that builds and maintains ships for military and commercial use from its facilities in Surabaya, Indonesia.

The UK is using a similar design, basing its Type 31 Frigates on the Arrowhead 140 design, being built by Babcock at Rosyth.

Babcock say in a news release that the breakthrough deal comes two years since Babcock’s AH140 design was first announced as the preferred bidder for the UK Type 31 frigate programme at DSEI 2019, with the contract confirmed in November of the same year.

“The design licence will enable PAL to build two Arrowhead 140 frigates in Indonesia with bespoke design modifications for the Indonesian Navy. The agreement was signed at the Defence and Security Equipment International (DSEI) 2021 event in London, on board HMS Argyll, by David Lockwood CEO Babcock and Kaharuddin Djenod, CEO  PAL. And was witnessed by the Defence Minister of Indonesia, Prabowo Subianto and UK Defence Secretary, Rt Hon Ben Wallace MP.  

The firm say that the baseline Arrowhead 140 design can be configured to meet a broad range of naval requirements and, with Babcock’s support PAL will now engineer the required modifications to configure the Arrowhead 140 for the Indonesian customer.

David Lockwood, CEO Babcock said:

“Today is a really exciting moment for Babcock and our frigate export programme, as we sign the design licence with PAL for two new frigates for the Indonesian Navy. The beauty of our export product is that it is a readily transferable design that can be tailored to the customer’s needs as part of our strong Arrowhead frigate portfolio. What’s more, the design licence and subsequent build programme will be a significant catalyst for prosperity in Indonesia.

Working with our Indonesian colleagues this contract will see Arrowhead 140 frigates built in Indonesia, by the local workforce, contributing directly to the social and economic value of its sovereign shipbuilding community and country as a whole. We look forward to further opportunities to support PAL as the programme matures. It’s a proud day for the Babcock and PAL teams.”

David Lockwood Babcock CEO (L) and Kaharuddin Djenod, ® CEO PAL sign contract on board HMS Argyll (Photo: Babcock)

At 325 ton it's basically the same size as bagan datuk isn't it?

There's nothing wrong with buying this Damen as the 2nd batch of NGPC since MMEA still need 8 of it. There's also nothing wrong with MMEA working beside Navy LCS nor nothing wrong with MMEA having military grade weapon.

So case close. Let's move on.