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post Mar 8 2021, 02:48 PM

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A Toyota Raize owner from Singapore joined one of the Ativa FB group. His has a Defi gauge install to monitor the turbo boost info for his car. This is his statement about the PWR button :

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post Mar 8 2021, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Mar 8 2021, 02:28 PM)
It's all about perspective and what you are based on.

As you are so use to manual, which has very direct feel when it comes to throttle response, you won't get adapted to CVT so easily (both PWR on or off).  Say, if you are a Axia driver, you probably notice much more.

Auto car should be driven differently.  CVT even more so.
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Yea, i also have Iriz 1.3 CVT, but Punch CVT is really bad, it's the least i enjoy driving, tbh kinda weighing if i should trade it in for Ativa lol. I've driven latest Toyota Yaris, Honda City, Jazz, Nissan Almera 1.0 T, none feels as bad as Iriz.

Indeed, modern auto and CVT cars are programmed to be eco biased, so they feel best driven in a smooth normal mode.
QUOTE(woodentiger86 @ Mar 8 2021, 02:48 PM)
Interesting. So this power on is like overdrive or a 'Sport mode' of sorts?

Don't recall any of the Toyota Raize/Rocky reviews I've watched [SG/HK etc] mention anything about this mode. Haha.

Wow, Gen 2 CPS. Rare bro! Anyhow, I kinda like how stock Gen2 exhaust has a nice growl to it. Reminds me of BMW E46's bassy exhaust somehow. brows.gif

Speaking of Myvi Lagi Best, that was one of the few cars I couldn't catch up with during my morning blasts along LDP. That car is seriously quick!
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It's a sports mode, i think there's a Raize ad of this feature, kinda exaggerating typical funny Japanese ad lol.

Rare indeed haha. The stock exhaust does sound good, still silent enough as daily driver, yet sounds good to add to the driving experience brows.gif

Yea, Myvi lagi best still has throttle cable, so throttle response is instant. Our Gen2, Myvi G3 already use drive by wire, no way can match 0 lag cable.
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Mar 8 2021, 03:10 PM)
Yea, i also have Iriz 1.3 CVT, but Punch CVT is really bad, it's the least i enjoy driving, tbh kinda weighing if i should trade it in for Ativa lol. I've driven latest Toyota Yaris, Honda City, Jazz, Nissan Almera 1.0 T, none feels as bad as Iriz. 

Indeed, modern auto and CVT cars are programmed to be eco biased, so they feel best driven in a smooth normal mode.

It's a sports mode, i think there's a Raize ad of this feature, kinda exaggerating typical funny Japanese ad lol.

Rare indeed haha. The stock exhaust does sound good, still silent enough as daily driver, yet sounds good to add to the driving experience brows.gif

Yea, Myvi lagi best still has throttle cable, so throttle response is instant. Our Gen2, Myvi G3 already use drive by wire, no way can match 0 lag cable.
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Ahh thanks for the clarification bro.

No wonder!!

That Lagi Best literally sped away from me and all I could do was tail it and couldn't even muster enough grunt to overtake. Haha.

I was seriously itchy to consider the Ativa but my car still has 3 years of loan to go and a bit sayang to sell it after all the 'TLC' I gave it so far.

It's still a stock standard ride though but personalised to make it stand out...

Typical decals +10HP driver here brows.gif

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Probably will give it a test drive just to satisfy my curiosity on the CVT + Turbo combination and probably look into the car in 1-2 years time when economy picks up.
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post Mar 8 2021, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(woodentiger86 @ Mar 8 2021, 03:25 PM)
Ahh thanks for the clarification bro.

No wonder!!

That Lagi Best literally sped away from me and all I could do was tail it and couldn't even muster enough grunt to overtake. Haha.

I was seriously itchy to consider the Ativa but my car still has 3 years of loan to go and a bit sayang to sell it after all the 'TLC' I gave it so far.

It's still a stock standard ride though but personalised to make it stand out...

Typical decals +10HP driver here brows.gif

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Probably will give it a test drive just to satisfy my curiosity on the CVT + Turbo combination and probably look into the car in 1-2 years time when economy picks up.
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Haha, that's nice, my Gen2 is stock, except for rear lamps, which was changed to LED type by previous owner, i bought it used. Been using it for 4 years, not much problem, pretty reliable and affordable to maintain.

Yea, just test drive to feel for it. I never have intention to get City, Yaris or Almera, but i still go test drive to feel for myself how it drives smile.gif
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Mar 8 2021, 03:36 PM)
Haha, that's nice, my Gen2 is stock, except for rear lamps, which was changed to LED type by previous owner, i bought it used. Been using it for 4 years, not much problem, pretty reliable and affordable to maintain.

Yea, just test drive to feel for it. I never have intention to get City, Yaris or Almera, but i still go test drive to feel for myself how it drives smile.gif
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Wow. Eagle eyes LED ah?

The only car I test drove was the Aruz & the Proton X70.

And actually that very same day of the P2 test drive, I decided to get the Myvi instead. Cos of my prior experiences with contis and the breakdowns/maintenance etc, my wife nagged me until I decided to get a new car & something I could afford without breaking the bank.

I actually drove my MIL's Myvi 1.5AV as well for a few weeks back then, and although my initial experiences weren't really positive, like laggy acceleration etc, I truly appreciated the specs for that price point. Eventually when finances improve, I would like to own a decent car too but right now, priorities lie elsewhere, and my car has been garage queen since October last year until today when I'm back at office.
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post Mar 8 2021, 04:02 PM

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Im tempting towards this car as my first car however I had something to ask here.

Is the small turbocharged engine like Ativa here is reliable for long distance journey? I read somewhere turbo engine can be really hot also kinda worried the small capacity could shorten the lifespan if push too hard. Never drive the small engine or turbocharged car before so didnt have much knowledge on this area. blush.gif

And for those who had test drive, do you guys think it had the power to pull, let say 4 adult occupants inside. My local dealer still didnt allow test drive they waiting for the roadtax something.

Hopefully someone can englighten me here. Thanks! notworthy.gif
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post Mar 8 2021, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Mar 7 2021, 03:31 PM)
9.6 secs on the Toyota Raize AWD version vs Myvi 1.5L At 11.x seconds (based on few Youtube sources and including Wapcar own test).

What have you been smoking to say Ativa already lost to Myvi?

Secondly. Torque curve for all Turbos are linear. Don't generalise all NA non linear orque curve with turbos.
Otherwise why is turbo always quoted range I.e "2400-4000rpm" or "1500rpm - 4000rpm" vs NA always quotes as single reference.

Let's take example Nissan Almera 1.0L turbo. Similar RPM torque range as 1KRVET.
Yes I know. The almera has 12nm more torques than the Ativa. Again I'm here to show turbo torque band curve since we can't find any torque curve from Toyota even! Not even Pauline Tan has the photos during launch.

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So pease stop trying to be a Myvi fanboy and try to thumb down a 1.0L turbo.
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but u were quoting myvi at 2400rpm not ativa brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

As for the 0-100 please watch the video
start from 7:14 mark , till 7:30 mark he reach 100, almost 15second icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif

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post Mar 8 2021, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(woodentiger86 @ Mar 8 2021, 03:42 PM)
Wow. Eagle eyes LED ah?

The only car I test drove was the Aruz & the Proton X70.

And actually that very same day of the P2 test drive, I decided to get the Myvi instead. Cos of my prior experiences with contis and the breakdowns/maintenance etc, my wife nagged me until I decided to get a new car & something I could afford without breaking the bank.

I actually drove my MIL's Myvi 1.5AV as well for a few weeks back then, and although my initial experiences weren't really positive, like laggy acceleration etc, I truly appreciated the specs for that price point. Eventually when finances improve, I would like to own a decent car too but right now, priorities lie elsewhere, and my car has been garage queen since October last year until today when I'm back at office.
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Mine is this type of LED rear lamps.

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Well, not a bad choice, can never go wrong with King of the Road biggrin.gif

QUOTE(din_hook @ Mar 8 2021, 04:02 PM)
Im tempting towards this car as my first car however I had something to ask here.

Is the small turbocharged engine like Ativa here is reliable for long distance journey? I read somewhere turbo engine can be really hot also kinda worried the small capacity could shorten the lifespan if push too hard. Never drive the small engine or turbocharged car before so didnt have much knowledge on this area. blush.gif

And for those who had test drive, do you guys think it had the power to pull, let say 4 adult occupants inside. My local dealer still didnt allow test drive they waiting for the roadtax something.

Hopefully someone can englighten me here. Thanks! notworthy.gif
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It's a Daihatsu, i think they've engineered the engine well to be reliable.

Provided you drive it around speed limit, i think long distance journey is way better to the engine than getting stuck in stop and go traffic, where i think the wear and tear is much higher.

I test drove with the SA, 2 adults, i think it has the power and torque to pull 4 adults in easily. Just drive it normally, light right foot, you just need to rev up to 2 - 2.5k rpm most of the time, it'll be fine.
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post Mar 8 2021, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(heihei @ Mar 8 2021, 05:17 PM)
but u were quoting myvi at 2400rpm not ativa  brows.gif  brows.gif  brows.gif

As for the 0-100 please watch the video
start from 7:14 mark , till 7:30 mark he reach 100, almost 15second  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif

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Looks like he never pressed the PWR button before doing the 0-100 sprint. Without PWR on the boost is low, as in ECO mode.
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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Mar 8 2021, 07:08 PM)
Looks like he never pressed the PWR button before doing the 0-100 sprint.  Without PWR on the boost is low, as in ECO mode.
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need wait someone press the power button n done the 0-100 brows.gif
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post Mar 8 2021, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(heihei @ Mar 8 2021, 07:48 PM)
need wait someone press the power button n done the 0-100  brows.gif
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If not mistaken Myvi 1.5 is around 11.5-12.5s.

If the 15 sec for Avita at ECO model, I do have doubt it can reduce below 12s.

Hopefully like what some of the users claimed... lol

From what I know X50 around 8.2s with sport mode and normal mode around 9.Xs.


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post Mar 8 2021, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(muncheno @ Mar 8 2021, 09:02 PM)
If not mistaken Myvi 1.5 is around 11.5-12.5s.

If the 15 sec for Avita at ECO model, I do have doubt it can reduce below 12s.

Hopefully like what some of the users claimed... lol

From what I know X50 around 8.2s with sport mode and normal mode around 9.Xs.
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these turbo need cold night to get best result also
if done on Noon hot sun , all gonna get worst result ever
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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Mar 8 2021, 02:48 PM)
A Toyota Raize owner from Singapore joined one of the Ativa FB group. His has a Defi gauge install to monitor the turbo boost info for his car. This is his statement about the PWR button :

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Is he kidding? 0.6 to 1.0 boost is huge deference. More boost means more power and torque but the D-CVT on Ativa only rated at 150Nm (max torque that it can handle). Furthermore, by his logic, you get less torque without the use of PWR button. I'm sure the PWR button DOES NOT involved getting extra boost, I believe it's more like it's letting your engine stay at higher RPM in all CVT ratio.

P/S: Btw, are you sure he stated the boost correctly? As 0.6 or even 1.0 Psi is kind of low.

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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Mar 8 2021, 05:40 PM)
Mine is this type of LED rear lamps.

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Well, not a bad choice, can never go wrong with King of the Road biggrin.gif
It's a Daihatsu, i think they've engineered the engine well to be reliable.

Provided you drive it around speed limit, i think long distance journey is way better to the engine than getting stuck in stop and go traffic, where i think the wear and tear is much higher.

I test drove with the SA, 2 adults, i think it has the power and torque to pull 4 adults in easily. Just drive it normally, light right foot, you just need to rev up to 2 - 2.5k rpm most of the time, it'll be fine.
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Yup, so far the car has served me well, asides from the fuel pump issue back in 2020 right before CNY.

Fully booked this weekend for test drive and the SA wanted me to come today - I was like, weekdays a bit tough since working. Hahaha. sweat.gif

I'll probably be content doing a walkaround tour if there's any units on display at the showroom though for the time being.
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post Mar 9 2021, 08:34 AM

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Review from the most trusted hand. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(din_hook @ Mar 9 2021, 08:34 AM)


Review from the most trusted hand. biggrin.gif
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Nice. Uncle Khong have a review already.

Fuyoh.
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QUOTE(din_hook @ Mar 9 2021, 08:34 AM)


Review from the most trusted hand. biggrin.gif
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The Ativa NVH was BEYOND Worst, during the Genting run. Try comparing this to YS Khong video on Almera 1.0 Turbo. It's like night and day.
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post Mar 9 2021, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(MNF0 @ Mar 9 2021, 10:17 AM)
The Ativa NVH was BEYOND Worst, during the Genting run. Try comparing this to YS Khong video on Almera 1.0 Turbo. It's like night and day.
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I think YS did not drive the Almera as hard. For the Ativa, he really takes on the demand of all Malaysian public, to rev to the max while driving. Manual mode all the way and let the CVT upshift by red the line ! blink.gif

For any car, if driven like that on regular basis, it will break into pieces tongue.gif
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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Mar 9 2021, 10:21 AM)
I think YS did not drive the Almera as hard.  For the Ativa, he really takes on the demand of all Malaysian public, to rev to the max while driving.  Manual mode all the way and let the CVT upshift by red the line !  blink.gif

For any car, if driven like that on regular basis, it will break into pieces  tongue.gif
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Perhaps you might want to look at the RPM before making that sort of conclusion. Better still, watch the whole video right from the start.
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QUOTE(MNF0 @ Mar 9 2021, 10:27 AM)
Perhaps you might want to look at the RPM before making that sort of conclusion. Better still, watch the whole video right from the start.
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Yes, I did watch the video carefully. More than once he mentioned "Flat out" !!

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