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post Mar 6 2021, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(briggs86 @ Mar 6 2021, 08:35 AM)
already booked 1 unit... hope can come out by end of this month..
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what spec?
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QUOTE(carauto2u @ Mar 5 2021, 10:20 AM)
anyone test drive already??
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post Mar 6 2021, 04:20 PM

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Is it open for test drive already? Any SOP or appointment?
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post Mar 6 2021, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(christ14 @ Mar 6 2021, 04:20 PM)
Is it open for test drive already? Any SOP or appointment?
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better call before go. sometimes got a lot customers on queue
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post Mar 6 2021, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(christ14 @ Mar 6 2021, 04:20 PM)
Is it open for test drive already? Any SOP or appointment?
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Yes need appointment. I went to Puchong Jaya. Short drive, traffic there quite heavy.
I went for a test drive. I don't really like the drive it's Abit lethargic, noisy and clunky when accelerating uphill. With power mode on, it was way better, smooth and silent. Flat road it's ok, fast and smooth on normal mode. The car very fast from Standstill, lucky brakes are grippy. Lucky for ASA, I think it will greatly help mistakes on the pedal. Suspension is ok, but a bit bouncy on high road bumps (the skinny ones).

Interior wise, it's cheap plastic. Again price wise is like that. Reverse camera the image is not good. Use eyes better, as the mirrors are huge enough. Seats are good and supportive. In and out easy. Front seats need to hop out a bit due to thicker doors,. High roof won't hit your head at all. Plenty of space for such a small car. The car exterior is actually bigger than you think because of the front boxy part. Seriously I rather buy something else if you don't need the SUV looks and mini dimensions. If you really want a SUV like car, this is really value for money, safety and tech aplenty.

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post Mar 6 2021, 09:16 PM

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Went to Glenmarie's outlet today. The SA that attended to me either he/she (I'm not going to specify which gender) is lazy or it's a directive from the boss, when I asked for a test drive, he/she said that they only allow test drives for "people that have already booked or VVIP only". I'm baffled. If I'm a potential customer, why are you not letting me take it for a spin? If I were to buy it but you turn me down like this, there's where you lose your commission.

And I wonder, who is this "VVIP"? VVIP won't be buying Ativa.

Anyone facing similar "problem" at the same showroom or any other showroom?

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post Mar 6 2021, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(PoisonSoul @ Mar 6 2021, 10:16 PM)
Went to Glenmarie's outlet today. The SA that attended to me either he/she (I'm not going to specify which gender) is lazy or it's a directive from the boss, when I asked for a test drive, he/she said that they only allow test drives for "people that have already booked or VVIP only". I'm baffled. If I'm a potential customer, why are you not letting me take it for a spin? If I were to buy it but you turn me down like this, there's where you lose your commission.

And I wonder, who is this "VVIP"? VVIP won't be buying Ativa.

Anyone facing similar "problem" at the same showroom or any other showroom?
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wut... just boycott terus
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post Mar 6 2021, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(PoisonSoul @ Mar 6 2021, 09:16 PM)
Went to Glenmarie's outlet today. The SA that attended to me either he/she (I'm not going to specify which gender) is lazy or it's a directive from the boss, when I asked for a test drive, he/she said that they only allow test drives for "people that have already booked or VVIP only". I'm baffled. If I'm a potential customer, why are you not letting me take it for a spin? If I were to buy it but you turn me down like this, there's where you lose your commission.

And I wonder, who is this "VVIP"? VVIP won't be buying Ativa.

Anyone facing similar "problem" at the same showroom or any other showroom?
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Outlet nearby my home did mention the test drive was reserved for those who have booked for exclusivity, but not sure if they would reject anyone if the car is vacant.
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post Mar 6 2021, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Mar 6 2021, 09:24 PM)
Outlet nearby my home did mention the test drive was reserved for those who have booked for exclusivity, but not sure if they would reject anyone if the car is vacant.
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When I went there, the test drive car was just outright there. No one was able to test drive it. I guess no one there was the VVIP or pre-booked customers. Maybe it's their tactic to get more ppl to book but for a 1LT car, I don't think so. SA tried to scare me that if I do not book now, I might need to wait for 5 months. LOL
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post Mar 7 2021, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Mar 5 2021, 06:29 PM)
I beg to differ.  doh.gif
At this age of tech, turbo lag is very minimal because the ECU management and the small size of turbo is able to spool up quickly . This is not a drag car with huge ass turbo .

And... at 2400PM, the Myvi 1.5 will develop only 1/2 of its max rated torque, compared to turbos able to already develop max torque at low rpm right up to 4000RPM

For simple calculation - the Myvi's 2NR-VE torque is rated 143NM at 4200RPM
At 2400RPM its only doing 81.7NM. Try matching that with the 1KRVET.

Combine CVT management and turbo - if you were in the seat of your Myvi, be prepared to be smoked by the Activa at green light. 

Secondly - as per your comment "D-CVT optimized for fuel consumption at high speed not like Toyota optimized for acceleration."

This is where CVT is optimized for either power or economy runs . Its a CVT for crying out loud. Continous Variable Transmission. This is where CVT reigns, no matter how much you CVT haters say it lags etc.
Your average Myvi 1.5 cant do just that with its 4AT slushbox (lets not dive into "Oh it can drag longer at gears or downshift")

In case you are not convince, lets take this video example. Proton CVT vs Myvi's slushbox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k8bkN5zUTg
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someone done the 0-100 on ativa
put it side by side with Myvi, Ativa loss brows.gif

and your theory is wrong, torque curve is not linear and you need to have torque curve graph from Perodua to know what power it make during the 2400rpm

in city driving, Ativa felt easier cause torque come earlier but 0-100 not ativa strength



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post Mar 7 2021, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(Jessieccy @ Mar 6 2021, 08:56 PM)
Yes need appointment. I went to Puchong Jaya. Short drive, traffic there quite heavy.
I went for a test drive. I don't really like the drive it's Abit lethargic, noisy and clunky when accelerating uphill. With power mode on, it was way better, smooth and silent. Flat road it's ok, fast and smooth on normal mode. The car very fast from Standstill, lucky brakes are grippy. Lucky for ASA, I think it will greatly help mistakes on the pedal. Suspension is ok, but a bit bouncy on high road bumps (the skinny ones).

Interior wise, it's cheap plastic. Again price wise is like that. Reverse camera the image is not good. Use eyes better, as the mirrors are huge enough. Seats are good and supportive. In and out easy. Front seats need to hop out a bit due to thicker doors,. High roof won't hit your head at all. Plenty of space for such a small car. The car exterior is actually bigger than you think because of the front boxy part. Seriously I rather buy something else if you don't need the SUV looks and mini dimensions. If you really want a SUV like car, this is really value for money, safety and tech aplenty.
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Thanks for the heads up, Puchong jaya is close to me. Which stretch of road did you test drive?

Not bad from a consumer pov. Seeing as most doesnt go uphill (unless the malaysians craze of "Genting") that frequent, its a good catch for day to day drive.

Th rest i suppose echoes what paultan wapcar reviews have wrote. Thanks bro


QUOTE(carauto2u @ Mar 6 2021, 07:39 PM)
better call before go. sometimes got a lot customers on queue
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Got it. Seems like a hot suv
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post Mar 7 2021, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(christ14 @ Mar 7 2021, 07:35 AM)
Thanks for the heads up, Puchong jaya is close to me. Which stretch of road did you test drive?

Not bad from a consumer pov. Seeing as most doesnt go uphill (unless the malaysians craze of "Genting") that frequent, its a good catch for day to day drive.

Th rest i suppose echoes what paultan wapcar reviews have wrote. Thanks bro
Got it. Seems like a hot suv
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Basically you leave the show room and merge in to the Persiaran Puchong Jaya selatan, then turn back in to the showroom one circle. Apparently the noisy and clunky part was the turbo lag. Only happens if you hard mash on the accelerator. If you drive normally the car pickup is adequate, steering feel quite good as well.
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post Mar 7 2021, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(heihei @ Mar 7 2021, 01:28 AM)
someone done the 0-100 on ativa
put it side by side with Myvi, Ativa loss  brows.gif

and your theory is wrong, torque curve is not linear and you need to have torque curve graph from Perodua to know what power it make during the 2400rpm

in city driving, Ativa felt easier cause torque come earlier but 0-100 not ativa strength
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I really LOL that part he take 57% of RPM as 57% of torque, haha.
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post Mar 7 2021, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(heihei @ Mar 7 2021, 01:28 AM)
someone done the 0-100 on ativa
put it side by side with Myvi, Ativa loss  brows.gif

and your theory is wrong, torque curve is not linear and you need to have torque curve graph from Perodua to know what power it make during the 2400rpm

in city driving, Ativa felt easier cause torque come earlier but 0-100 not ativa strength
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I also saw that video, but not sure whether Ativa was with the PWR mode on. And the torque of 1.0T is probably more noticeable from like 30-100km/h instead of starting from zero. We all know CVT lags.

I guess on federal single lane road overtake, Ativa should do better than a MYVI 1.5, provided PWR button is pressed smile.gif
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QUOTE(amdxp @ Mar 7 2021, 11:23 AM)
I also saw that video, but not sure whether Ativa was with the PWR mode on.  And the torque of 1.0T is probably more noticeable from like 30-100km/h instead of starting from zero.  We all know CVT lags.

I guess on federal single lane road overtake, Ativa should do better than a MYVI 1.5, provided PWR button is pressed smile.gif
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these small turbo petrol behave more like an diesel turbo
u feel the torque pushing but the speed never up as fast as those bigger hp NA brows.gif
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post Mar 7 2021, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(tHe^CuLpRit @ Mar 6 2021, 12:01 PM)
Thanks bro, yeap understand that CVT RPM range works a little differently vs conventional box.

the 100km/h cruising speed not bad, 2.3k but quite a big jump to 3.2k for 120km/h.

Important for us as most of us use our cars on highways with typical cruising speed of 100-120km/h.
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You probably haven't driven a CVT before I guess? Once it hit that speed you desire and it gained the momentum to maintain at that speed, the RPM will drop. I used to drive a manual car until 6 years ago when I started driving CVT. At first, it you probably get frustrated of the rubber band effects but once you understand why it is made that way, you will appreciate it more and drive accordingly. And as I still drive the manual car occasionally, I started to "employ" the CVT gear transition behavior onto my manual driving.
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post Mar 7 2021, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Mar 5 2021, 06:29 PM)
I beg to differ.  doh.gif
At this age of tech, turbo lag is very minimal because the ECU management and the small size of turbo is able to spool up quickly . This is not a drag car with huge ass turbo .

And... at 2400PM, the Myvi 1.5 will develop only 1/2 of its max rated torque, compared to turbos able to already develop max torque at low rpm right up to 4000RPM

For simple calculation - the Myvi's 2NR-VE torque is rated 143NM at 4200RPM
At 2400RPM its only doing 81.7NM. Try matching that with the 1KRVET.

Combine CVT management and turbo - if you were in the seat of your Myvi, be prepared to be smoked by the Activa at green light. 

Secondly - as per your comment "D-CVT optimized for fuel consumption at high speed not like Toyota optimized for acceleration."

This is where CVT is optimized for either power or economy runs . Its a CVT for crying out loud. Continous Variable Transmission. This is where CVT reigns, no matter how much you CVT haters say it lags etc.
Your average Myvi 1.5 cant do just that with its 4AT slushbox (lets not dive into "Oh it can drag longer at gears or downshift")

In case you are not convince, lets take this video example. Proton CVT vs Myvi's slushbox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k8bkN5zUTg
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For simple calculation - the Myvi's 2NR-VE torque is rated 143NM at 4200RPM

= 136Nm @ 4,200RPM on Myvi 2NR-VE

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post Mar 7 2021, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(heihei @ Mar 7 2021, 01:28 AM)
someone done the 0-100 on ativa
put it side by side with Myvi, Ativa lossĀ  brows.gif

and your theory is wrong, torque curve is not linear and you need to have torque curve graph from Perodua to know what power it make during the 2400rpm

in city driving, Ativa felt easier cause torque come earlier but 0-100 not ativa strength
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9.6 secs on the Toyota Raize AWD version vs Myvi 1.5L At 11.x seconds (based on few Youtube sources and including Wapcar own test).

What have you been smoking to say Ativa already lost to Myvi?

Secondly. Torque curve for all Turbos are linear. Don't generalise all NA non linear orque curve with turbos.
Otherwise why is turbo always quoted range I.e "2400-4000rpm" or "1500rpm - 4000rpm" vs NA always quotes as single reference.

Let's take example Nissan Almera 1.0L turbo. Similar RPM torque range as 1KRVET.
Yes I know. The almera has 12nm more torques than the Ativa. Again I'm here to show turbo torque band curve since we can't find any torque curve from Toyota even! Not even Pauline Tan has the photos during launch.

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So pease stop trying to be a Myvi fanboy and try to thumb down a 1.0L turbo.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Mar 7 2021, 03:33 PM
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post Mar 7 2021, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(samwan_sambadi @ Mar 7 2021, 12:36 PM)
For simple calculation - the Myvi's 2NR-VE torque is rated 143NM at 4200RPM

= 136Nm @ 4,200RPM on Myvi 2NR-VE


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Appreciate you point out the error.
So looks like Ativa has 4nm more torques than the 2NRVE.

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