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post Apr 13 2021, 02:35 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 12 2021, 06:28 PM)
Tried, my IMC doesnt seem to be able to boot with it on a test run so I lock to 4000c18@1.45v and tighten timings. Increased to 1.48v for memtest86 stability.

Will try 65535 thumbup.gif pretty sure it will give significant gains but just not sure how it will behave daily with running some of my development tasks and compilers.
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trefi is temp based. it gets affected only arnd 70c
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post Apr 13 2021, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Apr 13 2021, 02:35 AM)
trefi is temp based. it gets affected only arnd 70c
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Yeap no issues running 4 passes thanks! thumbup.gif. Since it’s already rock stable 57k/62k/53k 46ns, now stability testing 4133c18 59k/63k/54k 48ns. Which of these 2 will be better though?

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post Apr 13 2021, 09:15 AM

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11400 UHD 730 still lost to AMD 2200g APU in 3DMark Night raid.

AMD 2200g Graphics = 12552, CPU = 5217, Total score = 10365

UHD 730 Graphics = 8161, CPU = 12003, Total score = 8572

AMD beat Intel in every corner now, considering 2200g launched in early 2018.

AMD 2018 APU still wins Intel 2021 iGPU, it's ashamed to Intel. laugh.gif

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post Apr 13 2021, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Apr 13 2021, 09:15 AM)
11400 UHD 730 still lost to AMD 2200g APU in 3DMark Night raid.

AMD 2200g Graphics = 12552, CPU = 5217, Total score = 10365

UHD 730 Graphics = 8161, CPU = 12003, Total score = 8572

AMD beat Intel in every corner now, considering 2200g launched in early 2018.

AMD 2018 APU still wins Intel 2021 iGPU, it's ashamed to Intel.  laugh.gif
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yeah is the APU available for 5600x, 5800x, 5900x, 5950x? hmm.gif
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post Apr 13 2021, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Apr 13 2021, 09:15 AM)
11400 UHD 730 still lost to AMD 2200g APU in 3DMark Night raid.

AMD 2200g Graphics = 12552, CPU = 5217, Total score = 10365

UHD 730 Graphics = 8161, CPU = 12003, Total score = 8572

AMD beat Intel in every corner now, considering 2200g launched in early 2018.

AMD 2018 APU still wins Intel 2021 iGPU, it's ashamed to Intel.  laugh.gif
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Year 2021. APU is still crap for 1080p ultra settings. Intel Quick Sync from built-in is a country mile better than Radeon codec as well.

On top of that, fail idle power management from Zen 3.

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post Apr 13 2021, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 13 2021, 11:42 AM)
Year 2021. APU is still crap for 1080p ultra settings.
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the strongest APU right now is actually the tigerlake with 96EU, it can be as fast as MX330.
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Apr 13 2021, 11:43 AM)
the strongest APU right now is actually the tigerlake with 96EU, it can be as fast as MX330.
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Still not enough to drive at least Medium 1080p for today's games.

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel...10nm-benchmarks

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 13 2021, 11:45 AM)
Still not enough to drive at least Medium 1080p for today's games.

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/intel...10nm-benchmarks
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still pretty amazing that the performance is like previous discreet nvidia gt950m ~ gt960m
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 13 2021, 11:42 AM)
Year 2021. APU is still crap for 1080p ultra settings. Intel Quick Sync from built-in is a country mile better than Radeon codec as well.

On top of that, fail idle power management from Zen 3.
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Onboard graphics definitely belong to the lowendgaming category. Cukur 480p@30fps.
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happy to see ppl have bought the 11900k @ 3199
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Apr 13 2021, 11:42 AM)
Year 2021. APU is still crap for 1080p ultra settings. Intel Quick Sync from built-in is a country mile better than Radeon codec as well.

On top of that, fail idle power management from Zen 3.
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According to many sources and nrw himself, ryzen pro 4000 renoirs and maybe 5000apu doesnt have the idle issue...... because they're monolithic dies dum dum dum. But it's not easy to get them as they're oem exclusive and prices are more yahudi than mainstream ryzens.
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QUOTE(piscesguy @ Apr 13 2021, 09:15 AM)
11400 UHD 730 still lost to AMD 2200g APU in 3DMark Night raid.

AMD 2200g Graphics = 12552, CPU = 5217, Total score = 10365

UHD 730 Graphics = 8161, CPU = 12003, Total score = 8572

AMD beat Intel in every corner now, considering 2200g launched in early 2018.

AMD 2018 APU still wins Intel 2021 iGPU, it's ashamed to Intel.  laugh.gif
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But when gpu finally comes into stock and 3080 is RM4K again, the guy with an AMD apu will regret the purchase.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 13 2021, 02:40 AM)
Yeap no issues running 4 passes thanks! thumbup.gif. Since it’s already rock stable 57k/62k/53k 46ns, now stability testing 4133c18 59k/63k/54k 48ns. Which of these 2 will be better though?
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ure turnaround timings mainly _dd/dr are wrong btw
read should equal or exceed write
_dd = diff dimm
_dr = diff rank
min value = 4

4133c18 should have lower latency than 4kc18

u should be all 6xk + on these since its dual rank. latency should be 3x..

not sure what that msi board doing.

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Apr 13 2021, 03:38 PM)
ure turnaround timings mainly _dd/dr are wrong btw
read should equal or exceed write
_dd = diff dimm
_dr = diff rank
min value = 4

4133c18 should have lower latency than 4kc18

u should be all 6xk + on these since its dual rank. latency should be 3x..

not sure what that msi board doing.
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Yeah, infact it doesnt boot if I set the turnaround timings manually so I had to use auto. My 4133 had to run on pretty high trfc to be stable so the latency is affected.

This MSi board is pretty weird. When i tried to revert back to last known stable settings, it suddenly failed to boot so perhaps something gone wanky in the training. Had reload the profile a few times then it boots.

What software to use to see the full timing spectrum btw? Perhaps with that i can share out to see what's wrong with the board's default settings

Edit: ran in stock 2666mhz, read is also significantly lower than write. I guess it's either my cracked aida have problem, Crappy Proc IMC or motherboard bios crap (flashed to latest also same).

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 13 2021, 04:00 PM)
Yeah, infact it doesnt boot if I set the turnaround timings manually so I had to use auto. My 4133 had to run on pretty high trfc to be stable so the latency is affected.

This MSi board is pretty weird. When i tried to revert back to last known stable settings, it suddenly failed to boot so perhaps something gone wanky in the training. Had reload the profile a few times then it boots.

What software to use to see the full timing spectrum btw? Perhaps with that i can share out to see what's wrong with the board's default settings

Edit: ran in stock 2666mhz, read is also significantly lower than write. I guess it's either my cracked aida have problem, Crappy Proc IMC or motherboard bios crap (flashed to latest also same).
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post Apr 13 2021, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Apr 13 2021, 08:19 PM)
memtweakit.
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I used the asrock one instead cuz it looks like asus's link is down, so here's mine. Currently all on auto to try to fix the low read.
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however I found another dude with the same board, It really does look like it's this MSI Z490I Unify problem. The aida read is somehow lower.
https://community.hwbot.org/topic/197141-ms...ostools/page/2/



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post Apr 14 2021, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 13 2021, 10:19 PM)
I used the asrock one instead cuz it looks like asus's link is down, so here's mine. Currently all on auto to try to fix the low read.
user posted image

however I found another dude with the same board, It really does look like it's this MSI Z490I Unify problem. The aida read is somehow lower.
https://community.hwbot.org/topic/197141-ms...ostools/page/2/
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err too many things to fix dude. this set of timings, rtl etc
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post Apr 14 2021, 02:15 AM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Apr 14 2021, 01:33 AM)
err too many things to fix dude. this set of timings, rtl etc
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Yeah this board’s auto is weird. And it’s really hard train. Passing memtest is another challenge. Please guide on where to start sweat.gif altho now dunno why 4000c18 cannot pass memtest while 4133c18 is rock stable. I guess the auto value gone nuts again.

It even need 1.48vdimm to post with these timings.

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post Apr 14 2021, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Apr 14 2021, 02:15 AM)
Yeah this board’s auto is weird. And it’s really hard train. Passing memtest is another challenge. Please guide on where to start sweat.gif altho now dunno why 4000c18 cannot pass memtest while 4133c18 is rock stable. I guess the auto value gone nuts again.

It even need 1.48vdimm to post with these timings.
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Attached File  4800C19_RKL_DJR.pdf ( 1.01mb ) Number of downloads: 34

ure case leave the _dd/dr auto

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