I carried the quote back to intel thread to avoid putting at ryzen thread there.

Actually they have the MSI Pro B660M-A there, but I was thinking it probably couldn't sustain 250watts constant. The shop even told me they can flash the BIOS for 13th gen too. I was curious does this board have options to disable all E cores? the new raptor lake P cores, even if only 8 P cores (with higher freq) I think will be close to full 14 core 13600k multicore performance, and power consumption maybe can be lowered a bit?

tough to fit top fans since i'm using big dual tower cooler. And my warm room probably need vrams like on msi mortar

stay in windows 10 a bit

i managed to get msi b660m-a with updated 13th gen bios, now choosing either 13400f or 13600k hmmm

this'll last until meteor lake which seems to have big performance jump

i love the 13400F, it's essentially like an undervolted 12600. at max load, the P cores are using 1.05V while the E cores uses up to 1.17V. total power consumption rarely exceeds 95watts, i thought it would have run like 120-130 with no power limit. So ended up the core temperatures run very cool. And it's fun to assign E cores to background apps. Also since it ran so cool and efficient it's perfect for me to let it run some tasks at almost 100% cpu load when i'm not using the PC.

some unoptimized games like forspoken still murders the cpu lol, no wonder theres a 7600 user complaining his CPU was 100% in this game too in the city 

yeah the same set core affinities

are you using handbrake AV1 encodes?

from reddit others that used 13700k had the same issue, some said fixed after changing the priority in  handbrake settings under advanced, Work Priority Level.

Gaming with ecores on gets better 1% lows so better to keep them on :
https://youtu.be/LcQUUmi3rWI

Yeah, I guess there is that (what you described above).

But for average gamers, testing each game to see the impact is not something they would do routinely. And the hassle of turning ecores on and off for different scenarios. Well, maybe if the fps is very low or the microstutters are frequent.

Any software that is small and can help turn off ecores with few button clicks or shortcut?

that's good news. those already on Alders ought to skip Raptors and wait for Meteors. Cos for most part, both are the same family.

Well, I used to have both amd &  Intel at the same time. But Amd platforms sucks in quality and consistency.
U can't trust those reviews and what they say. Cos they always assume "BUGS" will be fixed out. In reality it's different story with amd.

U just have to try one and if u re unlucky enuff to end up with a lousy silicon. Then congrats to u.
Plus minor platform bugs that are nuisances. (some might not be fixed by Amd despite the promises)
(Previously bought a 5950x and it Bsod at idle in windows and this is at stock settings. Ended up returning the cpu+a high end mobo to the retailer). So i m now all for intel now.
Added: Build a new Budget gaming system lately out of some new parts and some spare at hand just to see what it can do. U did be surprised what a modern i3 Quad core still can do nowadays, especially if u pay less than 400 bucks for it.

A 12100f (can be found at some shops at less than Rm400)/13100f , B660 mobo D4 and a Rx 6600 (Rm999 now, abt rm2200 a year ago) will suffice for those on a super strict budget. Pair it with a fast nvme drive and good Rams.

The above runs pretty cool and do not require much cooling fans.

3 things though:

1) 7800x3D will be much cheaper than the 13900K and will either match or beat it in gaming.

2) Raptor Lake is a dead platform, Zen 4 isn't.

3) Power consumption on the 7950x3D is half that of the 13900k... even less if you set it to prefer the cache CCD.

Work and productivity wise, they're basically neck-and-neck. It depends what you're specifically using it for.
That said, Zen 4 is still quite a flaky platform. Apparently the long-ass POST time will finally be addressed by the time the 7800x3D is released.

the price difference betwwen 7800x3d and 13900kf is around rm200-300... it doesn't save that much. 13900kf is well more better value for less platform issue headaches and way bigger productivity performance. Plus if we sacrificed productivity for cheaper 7800x3d, we could save on intel by going for 13700kf too.

Yes raptor lake is a dead platform, but you could also pair cheaper 13700kf with cheaper b760 boards like the msi b760 mortar wifi (both around rm2700+). When new platform comes out, can sell off the raptor lake cpu and motherboard in one go. Meanwhile even the cheap but good b650 boards are like rm1200 (so 7800x3d+b650 = rm3300+).

The 13700kf just slower abit in gaming, but it is nearly 50% faster than 5800x3d in productivity. And like what happens to the 5800x3d on CPU multicore heavy games, once more PS5 cross platform titles comes out to PC, games in the future might be way more CPU multicore heavier in the future and favour more cpu grunt.

Lastly we haven't seen how the future is for the CPU battle yet, who knows arrow lake will be the bomb, does platform longevity matters that time when the competitor is better (if that happens).

This is NOT meant for you. And NOT everyone plays AAA games !
This will suffice for those on shoe string budget or for a secondary rig.
What do u mean by isn't much more expensive ? It will mean a LOT for ppl on budget. 12100f less than 400 , that 12400f abt 700+ bucks. That's 75%++ more to pay out of pocket.
Respect those on Budget, dude.