Yeah, I might do that. Disabling 4 out of 8 ecores didn't help. Wanted to keep some ecores to do background tasks.

Finally managed to troubleshoot one of my unsettling problem. The rig sounded like a jet taking off when the cpu was at load. A high-pitch sound that I was not happy with. After investigating, it turned out that the fan behind the air-cooler was the culprit. Apparently, the back cpu fan emitted a high-pitch sound when attached to the cooler but the sound disappears as soon as I move the fan a bit out. Switching front fan to back also didn't help. No idea why there is this high-pitched sound for fans at the back of this SE-225 XT cooler.

Yup. Was literally going nuts with the high-pitch "jet-engine" noise. Luckily managed to get rid of that. However, the rig is below my custom-built desk in its own compartment so not too bad fan noise. It was the high-pitch noise that i couldn't stand.

My custom-built desk, which is built-in, is the main reason for the casing restriction where I can't go for bigger casing. I prefer my computer to be under my desk in it's slot rather than on top even though I have lots of "real estate" on top.

Coming from an ancient intel 4790k, I never knew aftermarket air-coolers cannot tame new gen CPUs doing normal gaming!!! I had though 220w tdp was more than enough. Now that I know, next time can better plan for better cooling solutions. Like you said, need bigger casing or better coolers/fans.

My only concern is whether gaming at 70-80'c is good or not. Most games are well-below that so.... Will monitor and see.... again, can always switch to power saving mode if it doesn't affect fps.

And I just realized that power saving mode will restrict p-cores to 2.5Ghz instead of 5.4Ghz. Lol. No wonder can get much lower temps.

My main issue is the boosted frequency and voltages. I think my mobo is setting too high a voltage at 43x - 54x. I am getting a clearer understand of VF curves on YouTube and if my mobo readings are correct, my VF curves is definitely not correct. Now my only headache is to find some norm VF ranges for 13700k so that i can try to set mine. Most vf ranges on the Internet is mostly 13900k or alder lake.

After work will try out some VF offset and see how it goes.

Ok, after tweaking whatever I can, I managed to get the temps down.

Looks like my cheapo mobo was just feeding the 13700k with too much voltage. It even had a "Core voltage boost" that cannot be disabled. I just had to set it to the lowest setting.

Vcore offset -100mv sometimes work sometimes doesn't. I think I solved it by setting the offset in 2 different bios menus.

Loadline calibration had to set to the weakest level so that there was more vdroop.

All-in-all, managed to drop vcore voltages about 0.1v during assassin creed origins. Temperature dropped to around 65-70'c instead of 75-85'c. This is with the fans tuned down more than before, no need to be in power saving mode, and all turbo boost turned on. PL2 set back to 253w. Other games also showing better temps.

The only sad thing is I cannot set the V/F curve as that would have helped a lot. Vcore offset sets all the ratios but VF curve can set higher ratios to lower voltages. Bios settings just doesn't work and Intel XTU doesn't show the VF curve tab at all.  Not sure why. Cheap mobo maybe.... 

Anyway, quite happy with the results. If I am ambitious, I might try to drop the vcore offset a bit more but I read it is difficult to get -150mv unless you are lucky. Idle vcore is already like 0.648v. VF curve is the way to go.

should avoid MSI motherboards atm until the secureboot issue tides over. now asus also kena dragged in kek

I had already set PL1 to 125w and PL2 to a lowered 200w initially. However, with the more acceptable temperatures, I can set PL2 to 253w again.

And after more googling today, realized that for raptor lake, PL1 = PL2 = 253w! Going to set my PL1 to 200w so that it is lower than my cooler tdp of 220w.

But yeah, the gigabyte aorus looks tempting. And price difference not that much from mine. The asus mobo, wow the price! But my cheapo mobo not cheap to begin with. Will just stick to this mobo for now. Quite happy with the temps for now so won't consider the contact frame either. 2 reasons - quite tricky installing the frame (screw tightness important) and the design is more for alderlake although it supposedly can be used for raptorlake.

And yes, my cheapo mobo.... after learning about AC DC loadline, I cannot even set it because it is not in the bios! Lol! So I am losing out another 2 things for this cheapo mobo that could have made the temps even better. Cannot set VF curve. Cannot set AC DC loadline.

Anyway, scatterbench has some new info on setting the buggy VF curves. Will try it one of these days. I also asked intel support on the reason why the vf curve settings are not showing up on Intel XTU.

Off topic but so means all intel 13 gen can set higher pl1 and PL2 to increase performance at the cost of higher voltage into CPU and higher temperature?

Thanks, was thinking of buying 13400f/ 13500 and compatible mobo to set higher PL1 PL2.

humbly requesting for a link?
and may I know where do we check for the components prices nowadays? I usually go to shp/lzd

Many moons ago, lyn gain popularity coz they have a collection of price list from the vendors in lyp.

Price difference is around RM 200.
13500 slightly more L2 and L3 cache, more E core and slightly higher clocks. Worth the extra RM 200?

My use case is for gaming only. I wouldn't mind getting 8 core cpu but both AMD and intel pricing for local market too high for me. Even if I keep for 3+ years.
I think 1.1k would be the most I would want to spend on CPU

currently the problem is more on motherboard pricing for budget buyers
13400f and 13500 need beefier motherboard power deliveries, but 12400f before can run fine on cheapest b660 or even on a good h610 board

meanwhile 12400f runs fine with rm300+ boards

some full atx boards macam even have 4 m.2 slots wow

sien most rm700-1000 intel boards in my place is all ddr4. want order shopee also sked reach kemek habis. you guys in west malaysia mmg lucky ler

The main reason i want to upgrade is im running out of storage space and i refuse to add more HDD / 2.5 sata because i cannot tahan trying to cable manage dy 

So buy new mobo with 3 nvme slots. Thus looking at new CPU as well 

Tried out a new budget build during Cny. Using an asrock B760m sonic pg mobo. Not bad for this mobo. Has 3 nvme slots but has to give up the 2nd pcie 16 slot for the 3rd slot. Clean looks and vibrant bios (better than giga). + It supports bclk oc & comes with dual 8 pin CPU connector.
The only downside for some, it's ddr5. No issue for me since I have a spare ddr5 kit lying around.
(The nearest competitor will be the strix b660m-g, but it's more expensive for the Asus)

Go for the sonic instead. No issues with Trident Z 5 heights. Cos I m re-using spare aio with this one.  Also I have a spare set of thermaltake sleeved cables (black/blue), a nice match for this mobo.

I think other than aesthetics no difference since the pg sonic is based on the steel legend.
Ya probably go for Kingston fury beast 32gb 5600mt ram. Or i buy something like Asus prime z790m plus d4 and dont spend money for ram that will provide little benefit for gaming.

iinm fuma 2 is comparable to ak620 but fuma's fans are slower and way quieter, so even at max fan speed it is silent but cooling performance did suffer vs ak620. good price at rm200 i guess but can guarantee get the 1700 bracket?