Time for change to 14900KS
https://www.guru3d.com/story/intel-core-i91...-midmarch-2024/

Us 12th gen users have more to rejoice now!
https://www.xda-developers.com/intel-apo-ga...gen-processors/

Is it now working for your 13th gen?

It says to enable DTT & GNA in bios but in my B660 mobo I dont recall seeing both these. How about you prior to APO?
Or did you see these after some bios updates?

Oh i see then its a bit of a pickle. Currently I still have load line voltage control which is useful if I decided to OC my nonK CPU, but as I understand my mobo latest bios removes that control function from enduser now.

I think I will wait & see if this becomes a thing or a flash before deciding which tradeoff I go.

As I said before Arrowlake is the true successor of LGA1700. Meteorlake is really just mobile CPU with only 6 Pcores.
But it seems like no change to core config so I wonder if there is enough justify to upgrade.

Poor IMC is likely due to a dud chip. 13th was supposedly better than 12th gen and i heard RPL-R has much better IMC than 13th gen. So perhaps changing the CPU to 14th might be worth it.

Hmm... you have an Asus mobo so whats your 13th gen SP rating and did you compare with others? I think that might reveal if you got a dud CPU

CMIIW but good ratings with bulletproof IMC starts about 105-110 ? So maybe yours is a wee bit under where you could have go the mile with XMP...

This post has been edited by babylon52281: May 12 2024, 03:23 PM

Just follow "Performance profile" base setting and make sure package power dont exceed 300W. For those who have issues, theres Intel RMA (apparently much better than Asus RMA lol)

If Ksku scares you too much theres always nonK. Much better value and gets 95% the same performance without the drawbacks. Strange people forget about these bog standard ones.

https://www.techpowerup.com/324062/intel-ar...ls-behind-in-nt

Seems like Arrowlake isnt going to be a leap in performance that will save Intel. Sad.

25% ST improvement still put it behind AM5 IPC efficiency. Worse is the nT performance lags even 13900K whatmore its predecessor 14900K. Outright performance goers will want to buy RPL Refresh instead and wait for the chiplet process maturity with 2nd gen (after Arrowlake)

Repost my comment from another tered
Anything that is made must have a set max limit, CPUS, even super hypercars. Why makers have set electronic limited 300kmph, or 400kmph, is not bcoz the car engine or aerodynamic cannot push it further but bcoz other things ie tyres, gearbox, etc, are not as durable to reach such high speeds. But what happens when the makers offer you an unlimited Ksku hypercar that could go as fast as you can floor the pedal? Well obviously something else happen if you try to drive like that on a daily basis, rite?

The same logic goes with Intel Ksku CPUS, the speed limits are off, the brakes are gone if you dont set any restriction how fast you want to push. If you set your own PL1=PL2=max PBP limit, many dont seem to have this CPU degradation problem.

Is it an Intel fault for unlimited Ksku version CPU? Yes
Is it mobo maker fault for unlimited power setting? Yes
Is it the user fault for not limiting their CPU? Yes
Is it market fault for creating OC'able CPU version? Yes
Is it Intel fault for not telling buyers to get nonK if they dont know what their doing? Yes

When everyone point fingers are each party, everyone is actually at fault too. Peeps should just buy nonK and leave the Kskus to wizards like derbauer or Kingpin. They arent complaining about hardware failures when pushed beyond the limits.

Nope. As a paying customer you should be fully aware of what you bought for. If you buy a high powered car which you could not control, it is not the makers fault if you overrun and crash the car. It is First World lazy hubris to be expecting ignorance is bliss and you are protected from your stupidity.

If you had been running with restrictions from onset, there is little reason to expect to have no further issues, many in Reddit and here attest to that. OTOH if you were running to the limit for so long, its to be expected something would have broken even after reducing the limit. If your car gearbox driven at 300kmph starts to exhibit failures, it wont magically be okay again even if you reduce it down to 200kmph.

Why it happen now? As I said, CPU degradation takes time, the more limit it breaks the sooner it will fail which is why 14th gen was sooner to fail. Intel broke all limits with this gen. OTOH when limits are respected there is no reason to expect it to work until its lifetime with little drama. See 12th gen, does it have the same failures? See nonKs does they have the same failures?

Anyone old enough would remember OCing was never this easy and used to be in the realm of those who actually knew what they doing, where the limits, and the risk, but these days any noob can OC with Ksku and helped by mobos automating these process without the user understanding or control what is happening, and peeps wonder why their OCed CPUS are dying. Hah!

Users complain on issues coz they been running on extreme profile without knowing thanks to mobo unlimited power setup for Ksku, baseline setting was only a recent update which will help fresh or new builds but for those that already have problems there is no saving, see my gearbox analogy.

If you want to know what is CPU baseline supposed to be, this is what





Anything more its no longer baseline, if you dont restrict to these limits its no longer baseline. The problem happens when mobo makers break them.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jul 18 2024, 01:59 AM

That means you dont understand the crux of the issue. Running at up to max PBP didnt give problems, it is when mobos push it to 300W and above which is causing the failure.

8700k TDP is max 95W. Going 200W as you claimed is NOT NORMAL OPERATION, doesnt matter if it lasted for years. That was a fluke that nothing happened. Neither does it means it can continue to run 200W without eventual failure.

When power, thermal, voltage limits are respected, most dont have a problem.

Here is where even mobos dont respect Intel limit power profile

https://youtu.be/7Gborxw9Q_M?t=628

Still higher than 253W

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jul 18 2024, 07:57 PM

Did you not read what I wrote? Kskus will auto boost and maintain due to mobo settings. If want total reliability, get nonK. Look at business workstations, all are using nonK or vpro CPUS.

https://www.dell.com/en-my/shop/pcs-desktop...cision-desktops

https://www.hp.com/my-en/shop/desktops/busi...s-desktops.html

https://www.lenovo.com/my/en/c/workstations...Megamenu_DT_2_3

Not sure why its so difficult to understand. Peeps think Ksku is the default CPU. Nope. NonK is meant to be standard model for 90% users, Kskus are for OCers.

So? One example doesnt make a statistic. And I did read the Reddit post. Doesnt say anything about which laptops or which CPU was on that are failing. Very very very general jobber could say, particularly on Reddit. And there were many that whack that comment for the same thing that I brought up. So unless you have anything else factual to refute what I wrote, anecdotal comment is meaningless to me.

TristanX
https://www.techspot.com/news/103843-intel-...ure-limits.html

We talked about Intels efficiency & performance and it looks like Arrowlake will not be the "IT" to take back efficiency crown from AM5. Looking at the news above, it appears Intel will continue to ramp higher the thermal limit to compete with AM5 IPC gains.

As I said before, its high time Intel needs to replace Cove core with a ground up redesign aimed for a massive IPC boost. As seen by the latest issue, thermal wall limit has ady been reached and breached killing CPUS slowly.

https://youtu.be/6omKMiloLtE?t=1300

Timestamp the video this was mentioned. Mobo makers continue to ignore Intel settings even with latest default limit set bios. When paired with 13/14 Ksku it still defaults to power unlimited. Intel should really warn these mobo brands.

PSA: For owners of 13/14gen Kskus paired with whatever Z690 or Z790, in whatever bios, go in and MANUALLY SET THE LIMIT TO INTEL DEFAULT PBP 253W! Stop trusting the mobo makers will actually do their job!

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jul 20 2024, 11:39 PM

Traditionally on new node Intel would claw back the power/thermal ramp if they know it would give them an IPC edge over AMD. Coz they could then mature the node process and ramp up the power to compete. The prediction is that Lunarlake would go back to 100oC just enforces this idea. But for Arrowlake to start the power ramp game does tell me Intel will continue maintain the high power limit even after a node switch.

AM6 showed good IPC gains per gen, with 9000 Xseries almost on par with 7000 X3D, so if Intel is to target 7000 X3D is just going to lose to 9000 X3D later on. This while keeping nearly same power/thermal limit is impressive compared to what Intel been doing with 13/14 Gen and it appears Arrowlake as well.