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intel thread, 2021 budget superpowah
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sai86
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Mar 16 2021, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(llk @ Mar 16 2021, 10:02 PM) i know this might trigger some ppls...but i no harm to know what he is trying to say right? lol » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « in summary, just set to Gear 1 when get the board? this make 10900k so yummy to get it.
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Bonchi
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Mar 16 2021, 11:28 PM
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QUOTE(sai86 @ Mar 16 2021, 10:41 PM) in summary, just set to Gear 1 when get the board? this make 10900k so yummy to get it. As someone mentioned, both gear 1 and 2 got its benefits and flaws. It depends on how you wanna run/set your ram. Mostly when it comes to trfc. But hnghhh this do open up some fine tuning capability... if only intel allow bclk overclocking again then it will be more fun.
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yimingwuzere
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Mar 16 2021, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 16 2021, 11:28 PM) As someone mentioned, both gear 1 and 2 got its benefits and flaws. It depends on how you wanna run/set your ram. Mostly when it comes to trfc. But hnghhh this do open up some fine tuning capability... if only intel allow bclk overclocking again then it will be more fun. Well, Intel does technically allow BCLK overclocking on any Comet Lake, just like they allow XMP on B460. Just that BCLK can only go up to 2.9% at best, and XMP frequencies are still limited by the maximum supported memory frequency on the CPU.
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Bonchi
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Mar 16 2021, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 16 2021, 11:32 PM) Well, Intel does technically allow BCLK overclocking on any Comet Lake, just like they allow XMP on B460. Just that BCLK can only go up to 2.9% at best, and XMP frequencies are still limited by the maximum supported memory frequency on the CPU. There's actually a controller built in that will prevent the cpu to boot at anything above 3%.. bclk overclocking do bring back the good old days where K series cpu didnt exist yet  QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Mar 16 2021, 08:57 PM) go 4400c18 if u must. klevv . Sigh.. my ryzen made me sold away an innocent hynix CJR adata xpg z1 32gb kit because it has whea problems... now im stuck with a micronB with impossible to tighten trfc and it is single ranked. Im scared to bet on new low profile kits as they all tend to use cheaper setup high density dies such as micronB or samsung E. This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 16 2021, 11:48 PM
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yimingwuzere
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Mar 16 2021, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 16 2021, 11:37 PM) There's actually a controller built in that will prevent the cpu to boot at anything above 3%.. bclk overclocking do bring back the good old days where K series cpu didnt exist yet  Sandy/Ivy Bridge BCLK didn't have that controller, but IIRC it won't go beyond 6% well. Ditto with Haswell. The only major BCLK overclocking that could be done was with Nehalem gen chips. Those old days were better than now, when you could squeeze major overclocks out of any Intel CPU available. Of course, some did better than others, e.g. Core 2 7x333 CPUs were much more limited compared to 8x266 ones.
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JohnLai
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Mar 16 2021, 11:54 PM
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 16 2021, 11:48 PM) Sandy/Ivy Bridge BCLK didn't have that controller, but IIRC it won't go beyond 6% well. Ditto with Haswell. The only major BCLK overclocking that could be done was with Nehalem gen chips. Those old days were better than now, when you could squeeze major overclocks out of any Intel CPU available. Of course, some did better than others, e.g. Core 2 7x333 CPUs were much more limited compared to 8x266 ones. BLCK? FSB is the legend. Back in the day, we used to OC the FSB from 400Mhz to 1333Mhz on Core 2 and Pentium Dual Core. Those days were the best. Even a cheap CPU can be very performing after FSB OC.
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Bonchi
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Mar 16 2021, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 16 2021, 11:48 PM) Sandy/Ivy Bridge BCLK didn't have that controller, but IIRC it won't go beyond 6% well. Ditto with Haswell. The only major BCLK overclocking that could be done was with Nehalem gen chips. Those old days were better than now, when you could squeeze major overclocks out of any Intel CPU available. Of course, some did better than others, e.g. Core 2 7x333 CPUs were much more limited compared to 8x266 ones. Haha i still remember my lynnfield i5 750 reaching 200 bclk for a x21 multiplier 4.2ghz and x8 memory for a 1600mhz ddr3 on dominators. Those were the days. I guess a change in architecture made messing around with bclk not feasible anymore.
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Bonchi
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Mar 17 2021, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Mar 16 2021, 11:54 PM) BLCK? FSB is the legend. Back in the day, we used to OC the FSB from 400Mhz to 1333Mhz on Core 2 and Pentium Dual Core. Those days were the best. Even a cheap CPU can be very performing after FSB OC. Core2 era, (conroes, wolfdales) is where i played with LN2 hnghhh... who could ever forget DFI lanparty and ballistix tracer micron D9. This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 17 2021, 12:05 AM
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yimingwuzere
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Mar 17 2021, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Mar 16 2021, 11:54 PM) BLCK? FSB is the legend. Back in the day, we used to OC the FSB from 400Mhz to 1333Mhz on Core 2 and Pentium Dual Core. Those days were the best. Even a cheap CPU can be very performing after FSB OC. Yup, E2xxx/E4xxx series was famous for that. Even better if it were M0/G0 stepping. QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 16 2021, 11:57 PM) Haha i still remember my lynnfield i5 750 reaching 200 bclk for a x21 multiplier 4.2ghz and x8 memory for a 1600mhz ddr3 on dominators. Those were the days. I guess a change in architecture made messing around with bclk not feasible anymore. Sandy Bridge BCLK affects everything from the PCIE bus, mem controller etc - making the CPU unstable quite easily.
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Bonchi
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Mar 17 2021, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 17 2021, 12:05 AM) Yup, E2xxx/E4xxx series was famous for that. Even better if it were M0/G0 stepping. Sandy Bridge BCLK affects everything from the PCIE bus, mem controller etc - making the CPU unstable quite easily. Bclk should affect USB and sata too.. technically everything  so back then there was a divide between OCers when the K series came out... overclocking the whole system vs overclocking only the cpu This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 17 2021, 12:09 AM
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TristanX
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Mar 17 2021, 12:09 AM
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Where is my stars?
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Official Intel specs and pricing. https://www.techspot.com/news/88934-intel-1...w-official.htmlLaunch on March 30. Real time memory OC will be interesting.
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cstkl1
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Mar 17 2021, 06:58 AM
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Look at all my stars!!
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 17 2021, 12:09 AM) Official Intel specs and pricing. https://www.techspot.com/news/88934-intel-1...w-official.htmlLaunch on March 30. Real time memory OC will be interesting. its nothing. that realtime mem oc. its part of sagv that uses switching between xmp.
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terradrive
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Mar 17 2021, 07:48 AM
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 16 2021, 11:57 PM) Haha i still remember my lynnfield i5 750 reaching 200 bclk for a x21 multiplier 4.2ghz and x8 memory for a 1600mhz ddr3 on dominators. Those were the days. I guess a change in architecture made messing around with bclk not feasible anymore. haha, my first overclocking experience was with pentium III 550Mhz that was a card that slots into the motherboard. Had to learn what overclocking is on the web, and play with the physical switches on the gigabyte motherboard to change FSB from 100Mhz to 133Mhz to get 733Mhz. But it ran too hot so I strapped in a second fan pushing air to the CPU fan lol. sounds so loud. at that time no shops in sabah even sells aftermarket stuffs. This post has been edited by terradrive: Mar 17 2021, 07:48 AM
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TSSkylinestar
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Mar 17 2021, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Mar 16 2021, 11:48 PM) The only major BCLK overclocking that could be done was with Nehalem gen chips. U forgot skylake
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Bonchi
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Mar 17 2021, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Mar 17 2021, 07:48 AM) haha, my first overclocking experience was with pentium III 550Mhz that was a card that slots into the motherboard. Had to learn what overclocking is on the web, and play with the physical switches on the gigabyte motherboard to change FSB from 100Mhz to 133Mhz to get 733Mhz. But it ran too hot so I strapped in a second fan pushing air to the CPU fan lol. sounds so loud. at that time no shops in sabah even sells aftermarket stuffs. Hahahah back then, there's actually mini tower coolers for the chipset because everyone is overclocking the chipset to overclock the cpu lolol.  They should really re-introduce this for those X570 chipset hahaha
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popopi
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Mar 17 2021, 10:38 AM
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still 14nm with this Rocket Lake...
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TristanX
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Mar 17 2021, 10:43 AM
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Where is my stars?
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QUOTE(popopi @ Mar 17 2021, 10:38 AM) still 14nm with this Rocket Lake... Cheaper than Ryzen 5 though.
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TSSkylinestar
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Mar 17 2021, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Mar 17 2021, 10:36 AM) Hahahah back then, there's actually mini tower coolers for the chipset because everyone is overclocking the chipset to overclock the cpu lolol.  They should really re-introduce this for those X570 chipset hahaha  by the way, regarding that new 11900KF on ASRock Z590 EXtreme... https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/m68...tail_i911900kf/ This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Mar 17 2021, 11:42 AM
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1024kbps
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Mar 17 2021, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE(popopi @ Mar 17 2021, 10:38 AM) still 14nm with this Rocket Lake... R5 5600x is selling 500 dollars here, for a 6c12t CPU, expensive and less cores, retailers are jacking up the price so much it make zero sense to buy it.
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versey
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Mar 17 2021, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 17 2021, 10:43 AM) Cheaper than Ryzen 5 though. Good things no cheap, cheap things no good
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