Quote "Intel Intros 14th Gen Core "E" Embedded Processors with E-cores Disabled" Keyword: Embedded.

Also it only solve the hybrid 'Thread Missdirection' issue on Win10. If your running Win11 there isnt much to gain or might even lose some FPS vs i9 with Ecores.

This sounds similar to the upcoming Bartlett CPU gen https://www.techpowerup.com/324571/intel-pl...cessor-for-2025 but imagine a 12 PCore i9
I predict would be a thread performance monster vs AMD flagship 16cores CPUs (or even Arrowlake 8PCores i9) as it wont have latency loss running all core workloads.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jul 21 2024, 10:24 AM

This is the problem. On new node, Intel used to push for huge IPC gains while paring back clockspeeds/temps/TDP limit. Think Core2Duo vs Pentium4, Core vs Core2Quad, Alderlake vs Rocketlake. Often the IPC gains is significant enough to push past current AMDs without the high temps and Intel will only use this trump card later, but from rumours it seems Intel ady will start ramp up the thermal limit from 1st gen.

This could point towards the IPC gains isnt significant enough to counter AMD 9000 what more the X3D later on. OF course we will need to see when it comes.

And I also agree with ipohps3, 60% is unheard off in modern uarch, even Alder has just 19% IPC gain over Rocket.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jul 21 2024, 04:58 PM

I dont believe a microcode can fix physical deterioration. Its like trying to detune the engine in hopes to fix the gearbox. Not going to happen. It may help freshly installed system & those new builds but not those facing problems

When you do heavy task like gaming and cinebench test, what is your max core package watt? If its below 253W, I dont think it should be a problem.

AMD have their own shit to sort out too

Ignoring the haters and their rubbish, those who have 13/14 Gen Ksku that havent got a problem could do this to mitigate any potential issues



If you DO have a problem, just RMA it.

The leak showed there is a 125W BTL version meaning likely Ksku series on top the nonK (65W) and Tver (45W) so not sure what MLID is talking about when he reference OEM/Network/Edge users, as these dont go for Kskus. Whatmore MLID half the time been proven wrong so take what these kinda youtubers say with jars of salt.

Its really weird that system builders are even offering OC Kskus for work productivity daily usage PC. Its as if the regular daily driver nonK CPUS dont even exist in their dictionary. I cant imagine a Nissan salesman come tell me: "Here is a GTR for your daily drive to work, it will need more servicing and wont last as long as your regular Teana, but man it can sure go faster which is perfect for the office runs!"

Long warranty is pointless, they just need to get a permanent fix out, so that fresh CPUS wont face this problem, and those in use with problems can be RMA with specific mention that replacements must be operated with the improved microcode for warranty to continue to apply. A new bios update should also clamp down on mobo makers own settings that arbitrarily gives it moar powah!

I will just repeat my highlight in the other tered.
For 13/14 Gen users, be aware there are TWO microcodes to install;
0x125 and the latest 0x129.
You should install both in sequence.

Why is, Intel has defined each code to perform different function on the volt setting, tho I am unsure if the later code has the fixes of the earlier release so just to be safe better to flash both into your bios.

Ryzen 7000series still ok. 9000series? Give it a hard pass. Its just not worth the extra money

Try this method


Some UE5 games are known to be buggy and crash by itself, unless your running lower demanding online shooters like Fortnite.

Out of box, those microcodes still dont solve all the issues of overrun


Need to go in and manually tune down volt settings.

Unless you do thread heavy work, the extra Ecores are useless, the current 8 are enough to run Windows and any background stuff when gaming. Shop could just be trying to clear stock of 14gen with the crash in demand and also Lunarlake coming in a month or 2. Also it sometimes can happen that Intel itself will replace your 13gen with a current 14gen if they no longer produce them so you might get a free upgrade anyways.

Well as I understand your not getting this upgrade for free, you have to topup RM180 am rite? But since you see the need for extra Ecores then yeah why not? Its the last of LGA1700 might as well get the last gen.

For 14700K you need at least 360 AIO or better 420 AIO. 240mm aint gonna cut it, CPU will still thermal throttle when you go full on.

Overpriced. Thermalright Aqua Elite or ID Cool DX360 Max for only half the price of that.

Frozen Notte 360 also available but for extra RM 100 or so. Still far cheaper than anything near it.

But 'in stock' your letting mobo to run at above Extreme profile which pushes more volts than Intel spec. Thats what prolly killing it. Once you have brand new CPU, disable all mobo OC/Enhancement/etc settings and manually set the parameters.

At 1st I wouldnt suggest it as it requires removing ILM (ie potential void warranty), but since you done so ady then why not. Its a chart topper performance but imho in Msia not cheapish either.

Intel allowed mobo makers to go crazy with Z boards and Ksku CPU, its like CPU without brake limits and then given to mobos makers like car tuners without a budget cap. Intel is bad to have no locks, mobos are worse to have no limits.