AMD has moved onto 16 Big Pcores and rumours that 99x0X3D will get Vcache on both CCD, yet Intel still remain 8 Pcores and only increasing the ShitEcores. When will they understand 16 or 24 or 32 or whatever Ecores is useless for games and most apps? Intel been stuck on 8 Pcores since Cometlake like 5 Generations ago!

Moving to chiplet should make it easy to scale up to 10 or 12 Pcores but Intel would rather keep this segment for overpriced Xeon.

Like in any other major changes, always go for 2nd gen evolution. ARL like Ryzen 1xxx can be quite poor as Intel works out the weaknesses in chiplet tech.

If your just gaming, 9800X3D is coming to Msia within this or next mth.

No competition so AMD knows how to reap the market. Same as peeps say about Intel.

Best 12gen now is 12900/12900K pair with Z690/Z790 mobo. 8 Ecores more than enuff to run Windows & background tasks, going up to 16 Ecores is useless.

According to HUB, Bartlett was cancelled so LGA1700 is truly dead

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 5 2024, 08:31 AM

In their talks HUB hosts mentioned it. Cant remember which segment but its here



You asked which 12th gen to get so of course 12900/K. Reason why its high priced due to 13/14Gen instability pushing prices up. 12700 is Intel best bang for buck right now but since its deadended its better pay for the best. Im still rocking 12700F and when it starts to lag I can still BCLK OC it.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 6 2024, 12:04 PM

Intel is in financial trouble, why would they want to drop prices? Its also not their way of business. AMD otoh...

12700 is nonK, so no need Z mobo. Just a solid B mobo will do. MSI B760M-A or if want BCLK OC then Mortar Max Wifi or Asrock B760M PG Riptide, or PG Sonic.

Rumours? Yes & no, 50-50.

1st person that comes out a software that can instantly tell you will make shitloads of money instantly. So far dont know anyone that lucky.

Black friday nothing effect ours lar unless you go buy from Amazon SG.

Going Core Ultraman means new mobo & DDR5 so more expensive platform than LGA1700 which can still use DDR4.

As I said, Ultraman still too raw, get 9800X3D/7800X3D if purely gaming.

Just coz its obsolete dont mean its uncompetitive. LGA1700 might be ended but 12700K/12900K still can run nearly all games well esp if you go 2K to 4K where CPU doesnt really matter as its GPU limited.

Ultraman & AM5 still too raw with CUDIMM development. Most early gen mobos will hard to hit 9000-10K speeds of future RAM, so trying to future proof is stupid. Just get whichever is best for your money right now.

EDIT
To put into context, on a grand scale here. If one were to look in TPU review charts
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryze...9800x3d/20.html

The supposed CPU king of gaming is only difference from "obsoleted" 12700K by 10% (in 2K) and mere 3% (in 4K). Like just 3% FPS, between Intel best bang vs AMD super highly scalped not gonna come soon king CPU if you are already high end gamer playing at 4K. And this is just using 4090 to bring out CPU difference, if using slower GPU surely the CPU gap is much less.

So no need to obsess which CPU gen is better, esp if gaming 4K, just buy which you can afford. A difference in GPU segment will give a bigger boost than CPU.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Nov 11 2024, 05:34 PM

If for i5 to nonK i7, either MSI Pro B760M-A (must be -A), Asrock B760M PG Riptide or PG Sonic, for Asus is Prime -A

Core2Duo turnaround might never happen again, heck even Sandy bridge level of success might never happen again. C2D was such a hit bcoz Pentium4/D uarch was such a fail that it could barely compete with AMD64.

This unlike Core 13/14gen which can still put up a fight with latest Ryzens. Core Ultra was their Ryzen 1st gen moment, recall that nearly everyone was saying that was a bad idea it was bad in games & apps, it was buggy in Windows. AMD is a lot smaller so they could stuck to it and their CEO as the uarch has potential, see what it became today. Core Ultra wont turnaround magically like C2D, its more like needing few evolution cycles to get full potential like Ryzen (or Pokemon haha) but since Intel is too big to fail, they have to ditch a CEO under transition.

Well its also the last big player still with a caucasian CEO, now likely will change to an In---n CEO like so many others. Or Jensen? Hahaha!

Intel Arc issue isnt mainly hardware (actually its quite good for their classes), but its the software thats disappointing. Driver support is lagging and Intel culture of being slow response to fix issues which NVIDIA leads by miles with next day driver hotfixes. Intel needs to realise they now have to be a software company as much as a hardware one previously.

LOL TSMC been trying to court Jensen, maybe he will move over and let his wife run Nvidia, then his long lost cousin can take over Intel. ARM is also in trouble with biggest customer Qualcomm so another Huang family can come in too? Hehe

The Huang semi-con-glomerate.

I will wait for Intel to come out 6th & 7th series Arc, then market will confuse B660, B760 GPU with B660, B760 mobo. Haha

https://www.techspot.com/news/105810-intel-...570-gaming.html

Battlemage is out but still wrapping my head around Intel nomenclature.

If I understand correctly, would be:
B - Battlemage family/generation ie R7000 or RTX 5000
5 - tier segment meaning shd be midrange ie R x700/x800 or RTX xx60/xx70 (it seems there is a '7' family for higher segment?)
70/80 - I think would be upper/lower segment similar to x700/x800 naming? Or perhaps upper/lower tier of same GPU family ie nonTi & Ti variant?
LE? - There might also be an LE variant to indicate an upper tier within same segment ie TI/Super?

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 4 2024, 12:11 PM

With all the hate 8GB GPUs gets its no wonder that Intel would prefer sidestep that minefield. Also 8GB is now even below low end for smooth gameplay so if Intel wants a better customer experience it would do better to get just slightly up with the 10GB VRAM while the full price 12GB is for the more expensive B580.

Intel can still cut down to 5/6GB cards if later target low end. But they really need a 4070 class fighter if want to progress in marketshare.

At this current era? Such a low end GPU would be very poor gaming even at low settings. Its not the VRAM then, its the GPU doesnt have enough legs. Good for HTPC tho, but I think Intel would rather avoid this segment if the focus of dGPU is on gaming so they must ensure even baseline GPU can somewhat play smoothly.

Personally I wouldnt consider 3050/6500 to be a gaming GPU. Their specs are way too castrated to effectively be one even if they have 'Gaming' on their names & RGB to boost FPS.

RX6600 in the same trash tier as those both. 8GB, PCIE X8.

Not just Nvidia but both brands are pushing shit tier GPU no better than an APU level to consumers calling it gaming, is an insult to those who dont have much money. Its like them telling people "if your too peasant poor to buy a 4070/7800 for proper gaming, please dont game." Which is why people go for consoles, alas even Sony has been upping PS prices also telling people "stop being poor if you want to game!"

Nobody in midtier will care that much about RT if it means killing perf <60FPS. At such level, raster rate should be more important which AMD holds better than Nvidia. Intel Arc will need to beat AMD on that.

If 3050 carries onto the next generation, I see Nvidia trying to turn it into the next GT730/710 where it was "legendary" for staying that long in sales as a base GPU meant just to output a monitor. It was only taken out coz driver support no longer available.

APUS are getting better by generation while 3050 is getting worse by iteration. I wont surprise if next see 3050 64bit or PCIE Gen3 only.

PCIE 4 x8 is only looks ok bcoz the GPU is pisspoor to really make use of X16. If Nvidia/AMD really give a GPU thats value for money perf that x8 bandwidth will throttle the GPU.

Hollywood movies with 'interactivity'? But thats what GenZ gamers wants. https://www.techspot.com/news/105808-people...games-than.html

Cant blame developers for giving what the market wants rite? Very soon AAA games will become visual novels minus the echi bits coz people are becoming lazier.

Right now 12Gens value for money and does not have degradation issue. 13 & 14Gens even nonK seems like got affected altho Intel says its fixed after bios 0x129 microcode. Both have 8 Pcores only diff is later gens got moar useless Ecores.

If your use not thread dependent & that 500mhz higher cannot feel then 12Gen is better & less problems. Just go with a mobo that can unleash PL2 limit.

You gotta be fast if want flash sales.

In some apps it will be same or better if compare on MHZ but if thread count 12700 might have edge as 2 extra faster Pcores vs more slower Ecores.

14Gen i5 will do fine for 95% cases, dont worry to get if theres good deals.