As I said, Intel Arc issue isnt hardware but software which needs a lot of optimisation & maturity. Game developers also not yet optimise theirs for Arc ecosystem unlike native support for NVIDIA & AMD. Both teams need only minor driver tweaks with 1st Day patches for games to run fine while Intel needs weeks to get a proper game driver out after launch.

Game development take 2-3 years to do so lets see in 1-2 year time when games also natively build up for Arc along RTX & AMD and if Intel driver maturity means can be quick to release 1st Day hotfixes, if Arc wants to stand on par with green & red.

Thats provided Intel still wants to do GPU business now that both pushers Raja & Pat is gone.

After reading reviews, my summarised take. Its a generational jump improvement similar to 20series -> 30series.

It beat A770 easily with that GPU being a tier higher. It did very well against current gens, but I think its still not enuff to beat 5060/8600 when they willl come out later. It still has a price advantage over them as I suppose Nvidia & AMD will price theirs from $300 (vs $250 for B580).

The 12GB VRAM is a good push for decent size in budget segment but I doubt both Nvidia/AMD will tweak their upcoming gen budget GPUS to counter, as GPU specs would have been baked in months before launch. Both are likely to stick with 8GB VRAM unless they finally realised its not enuff anymore for xx60/x600 class tier.

EDIT: Locally here, knowing that distros/dealers likes to price hardware according to their performance level rather than follow global market pricing, I am gonna expect B580 will be priced here closer to 4060/5060 local launch MSRP or maybe slightly higher rather than a RM 230 ($50) price gap difference.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 13 2024, 04:35 PM

Its not so much a difference than a requirement for even medium setting in games nowadays

Imho try wait for 5060 out and see what deals you can get. 1660S to 4060 isnt a too big jump that you might expect. To keep within same tier, try to get 4060TI 16GB instead.

For indie games, stick to nvidia/amd. Most developers havent really optimise for Intel arc so performance may be sketchy or take ages for driver support.

Really?

So poorer 3rd World budget gamers who would prolly had to plonk in months of income for their shiny new GPU just to find out they made a bad choice with Intel when the games they wanted to play either is unsupported at Day 1, or buggy as hell and they have no way to return it for refund or exchange without massive $$ loss unlike those in the West, and now their stuck with a GPU that will take weeks or even months (heck even never for obscure indie games as mentioned) to be properly supported, ruing their decision to take the risks with a brand new player and contemplating whether to start saving money... again,.. to buy another budget GPU from more established brands, and never will listen to lowyaters cuz advice given was not with their money?

I guess its up to OP to decide which logic works better for them huh?

Look, if you know the value of RM, budget gamers arent in a position where its easy to buy a 2nd GPU or return for full refund. So until Intel up their software support & drivers game massively, I will still reco Nvidia/AMD to budget gamers for hassle free Day 1 ready gaming. If you have the money to try out, sure go ahead. But budget gamers rarely do have that backup.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Dec 24 2024, 11:14 AM

MCM tech isnt easy to get right at first iteration, looking at Ryzen 1000series and Radeon 7000series. Software can only go so much to correct inherent hardware design mistakes. Wait for at least Core 300 or even 400 generation for Intel to get right.

Bad news for Arc, and as expected... its the software stack




For older & new lower end budget builders (ironically the segment that B580 is targeting) its advisable to wait until Intel gets it right. But it may never happen too (Nvidia never resolve their driver higher overhead issues but it was never this bad either).

Lets see how the fanbois try to deny this

Imho RH1 & RM1 looks much more appealing & RM1 would be a much better cooler to keep it on if only the outer fins were made of metal like RH1.

RH2 & RM2 looks more like OEM solutions that you find in business PCs. Its design has regress backward despite its slightly lower noise.

Basically clearing stocks as Battlemage series & Core Ultramen is not in the list.

Poor sod forgot to update bios to prevent 13/14gen degradation?

LOL meaning previous microcode didnt fix the issue? So how certain are they this new one will finally fix it?

Either will come much later or distros makan the margin gap and maintain prices with excuses of tariffs, RM getting shittier, USD getting stronker, petrol subsidy removal, egg subsidy removal, blah blah blah... (pick whichever they want to use).

TLDR; dont put your buying decision on expectation it will come.

Dont have experience with AMD CPU but seems like its no longer as bad as it was before. Then again AMD CPU platform also no longer the value oriented as before and now even more expensive than Intel coz distros/dealers know its the hot thing today.
Still if you want hassle free and more stable system, Intel is tops but if your okay with lesser stability and frequent agesa bios updates just for ultimate gaming perf, then its AMD.

Depends which pros & cons you can live with.

12400F + MSI B760M Mortar Wifi DDR5. Have plenty of future forward features like DDR5, Gen5 GPU slot, and 3x Gen4 M2 SSD, wifi 6E on E-key slot so can upgrade to WIfi7. LGA1700 platform still can future upgrade to 14700K next time.

Also future AM5 support is not guaranteed like what happen to AM3+/AM4 until people make noise.

Upgrade path is til 14th Gen which is still plenty powerful. Apa lagi mau? Normal users wont need up to 16 Pcores CPU wat. Degradation thing is still ongoing deswai I chose with 12400F, this no such issue. Wait it out until Intel finally fixes it. There are manual ways to prevent it too. AM5 CPUS are also dying so its not just an Intel thing.

AMD talk about longevity of Ryzen platform too but early gen AM4 mobos originally were deprecated from Ryzen 5000 CPU upgrades until people start making noise about AMD janji dicapati where they backtrack and found ways to support newer gen CPUS. So trust all these future longevity talk with jars of salt. No one can predict the future much less Lisa Su.

Imho Intel LGA1700 has flexibility to go either expensive (Ksku & Z790) or budget level (nonK & B760 DDR4) whereas AM5 is exclusive expensive anyhow. LGA1700 might have ended (unless Bartlett Lake?) but CPU tech has progress so much that even few gens old wont feel it lagging. So choice is depends what your budget and what you want to do with it. No wrong or right.

Its an old AIO, designed for CPUS predating LGA1700, yes despite it having the proper mounting kit after, it was meant for up to Rocketlake CPUS meaning only max up to 125W TDP. Your 13700K max to 253W so its overloading your AIO. Time to move onto a newer 360/280 AIO.

Some AIOS will state what its TDP capacity, but mostly those newer releases post 2023 are designed for 12/13/14 Gen 253W CPUS. Deepcool latests are LS/LT series...

Just bcoz you bought your AIO in 2022 doesnt mean it was designed in 2022. Here is a LTT post about your cooler in Jan 2021
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1297873-gam...2-any-thoughts/

Alderlakes only came out in Nov 2021. It was prolly sold cheap as it was clearing stock of those that could not support newer CPU max TDP.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: May 15 2025, 12:43 PM

Respinning of 12400. I am still waiting for mythical Bartlettlake for last hurrah of LGA1700

Too bad Intel fans have been conditioned to think; "more power, more FPS!" so when Intel pull back both, fans cannot accept their losing to AM5.