On cars without Independent Rear Suspension systems (as most Asian cars are, which could be Rear Torsion Beam type or solid rear axle type) anyone has attempted on adjusting Rear cambers and/or Rear toes with 'parts' such as a shim like this or with any other 'methods' ?



Any recommendation of tyre shops and/or mechanics workshop in Klang Valley/Seremban/Malacca that can do rear camber and/or toe adjustment on cars with Rear torsion beam or solid axle well ?

Would like to consider this kind of service.

This post has been edited by zeng: Sep 27 2021, 07:25 PM

I wonder TS mentioned Ah Man Tyre Service on page 1 is the same as AH MAN TYRE SERVICE CENTRE SDN BHD (https://www.facebook.com/AHMANTYREBK5/about/?flyingspaghettimonster=page_internal)?

If yes, was thinking to go there to do my alignment & balancing. Anyone here have experience or got their alignment done here before? How's the service and price?

This is from Bandar Kinrara 5 Puchong, different from Post #2 Ah Man of Balakong.

Are they related ? IDK.

Why are you doing wheel alignment, if I may ask?

Uneven wear at front/rear, drifting to one side on straight ahead driving, steering wheel off-centre etc?

Share with us about your good/bad experience with this BK5 if any.

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 9 2021, 07:20 AM

I am following the SOP (mine anyway) of alignment, balancing and wheel rotation after every mandatory car service. Want to try somewhere else apart from Sunway area as I live in Puchong. Either Kinrara or Balakong area fine for me. Can ask TS if the Ah Man in Kinrara their A&B service is ok? I drive a SUV.

I only do tyre balancing ONCE throughout a tyre life when newly installed and I had not been doing any tyre rotation for like a decade or more.

All my current 2 pairs of XM2 (Front tyres about 75k kms and Rear tyres about 100k kms) are still at its original installed positions, though front tyres exhibit some uneven wear before Dec 2020 alignment as per post #1.

My car currently veers very slightly to the left when hands off the steering wheel during straight ahead driving after previous December 2020 alignment. Unlike previous position of accepting it as a matter of fact and make do with whatever I encounter, after initiating this thread some 10 months ago this time around I intend to re-do another alignment (not so soon yet though 12k km has lapsed) so that I can see with my own eyes actual Rear alignment angles (which I am ignorant of today) and hopefully an alignment shop can be found (which is hard to come by) to adjust my Avanza Front Cambers and Toes sort of 'exactly' to the value I want or 'insist' ......
as I come to realise now driving experience of whatever car one drives can be appreciably improved IF we get an 'ideal' set of alignment angles, never mind my Avanza with solid live axle has no Rear alignment adjustment capability.

Not sure your SUV comes with typical Preferred positive Front camber, which is not conducive for a little bit hard cornering you may want to consider reducing it to negative regime whatever factory specs.

Ah Man of Balakong adopts manual alignmenrt method, not sure about this Kinrara shop. I told myself to one day go for a Manual alignment method (Ah Man Balakong or Salak South guy) if and when several attempts by computer/laser methods fail to meet my requirement/satisfaction in several years to come.

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 9 2021, 09:50 PM

Seeing that this is the most current post on alignment, decided to come in here and offer myself as a lab rat. Ah Man Kinrara chief tuner was working 18 years in the Balakong branch before opening their branch here (yes, same owner).

Only see one guy doing all the work, the same guy mentioned above. Manual alignment and offer 3 weeks of "warranty'. Dissatisfy and can come back and get a re-tune during the period.

Had the service done ytd and have not had the chance to test properly (traffic jam kaw kaw) but driving the way home was ok (like normal before getting alignment done).

Will update here again if I had the chance in the coming weeks to properly "drive" the car.

zeng
You may want to have a look at
M. B. Liew Tyres Sdn. Bhd.
for manual alignment. Location in loke yew if this is nearer.
Late uncle lim cars all go to him for alignment.

Thank you Bro for your update/contribution on the 'background' of the Ah Man Kinrara whose chief has 18 years working experience under his belt in Balakong Branch.

This background gives me improved confidence on his skill levels and experience talks and by extension competence of Ah Man Kinrara but, who knows?

The test of the puddings is in the eating. Hence dirver feedbacks are appreciated for the benefits of other forumers in assessing the competence of a particular shop/alignment sifu.

By the way, what's the reason you think your car needs/requires a wheel alignment work .....
like pulling/veering to one side with straight ahead driving (temporarily hands off the steering wheel) or
feel nervous/unsteady or
hands must hold tight on steering wheels on straight driving, or
unpleasant/heavy turning effort or
unsteady cornering at relatively quick driving or
very sore eys/irritating with steering wheel cocked to one side? or
uneven tyre wear (in which corner) ? etc etc

Similarly after alignment now, do you encounter any of the above scenarios? Your driving experience/sensation resolved?

Note: By the way how much is the charges and how long a time it takes to do the (manual) job if you don't mind sharing with us?

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 17 2021, 07:03 AM

Wow Bro, another Manual method alignment shop here.

M. B. stands for Benz ? And late Uncle Lim's Benzs all go there, must be good quality I suppose?

Ok, this reference is linked to Post #2 summary of alignment shops .....

and appreciate any good/bad feedback from MB Liew's customers .

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 17 2021, 07:15 AM

Call me old school, I kinda agree prevention better than cure because I am in sales line, I drive about 33~35k+ per year, which involves outstation drive (much less now cause of MCO). Since this is a company car, and we are given a certain allowance for car maintenance (base on receipt only haha), why not as per a poster here says, do it after every service? Since alignment and balancing consider wear & tear component and not cover by the car warranty, why do it at the service centre?

The damage are as follows for 19" wheels on a SUV, RM120 for front and back wheel alignment and RM35 on wheel balancing. Pretty much the same damage like those FB/insta branded tyre shops I use to take to in Kota D'sara. Total damage is RM260.

Not sure what's the reason a periodic wheel alignment job can shoot up to RM260 Perhaps there are reasons why it was so.

Maybe next time, do give Ah Wah a try at Autovest Service Centre when your next wheel job is due. The only problem is, he doesn't speak england, only BM and cantonese.

Autovest Service Centre

I guess @NobodyII meant to say RM260 is the sum of Wheel Balancing at RM35 per tyre X 4 tyres and Wheel Alignment at RM120.

Would link suggested Autovest Service Centre to Post #2 summary of alignment shops and would you mind elaborating on his pricing, assuming you are very happy with his job?

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 18 2021, 10:39 AM

Was doing my E90 alignment.. This is before the adjustment, what is wrong with my wheels?


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Zeng, you are right. Total damage = RM260 (RM120 + RM35x4).

Commenting on previous poster, I would also want to know how they charge? Body type, wheel size, etc.?

I would love to go to somewhere much cheaper for a good alignment & balancing service but tbh all those FB/WA/Insta car group all swear by their beloved service centre/tyre shop, sometimes bordering on insanity.

I bet they will even tell you if cost RM1k also, it is money well spent

Purpose of me coming to LY is to seek a broader feedback, non-bias, if possible.

Honestly, I don't know what's actually wrong with your wheels as the specific facts surrounding them are with you and unknown to all readers here.

By specific facts I meant to say additional infos like:

Readings of rear camber and toe alignment angles, whether or not they are adjustable from Factory or with aftermarket products;

your E90 suspension types (like Standard, or Performance or Sport etc)?

Is the Suspension lowered/not lowered? I guess not ?

Besides is it a 2WD aka RWD or AWD?

Tyre size too, to a certain extent seeing your Front toes may be displayed in mm(?), not in degrees/minutes.

All the above would influence actual Factory Alignment Specs (from BMW), which is not displayed in your print out through no fault of yours btw.

Anyway thank you for your upload of 'invaluable' print out and clarifying it being an E90 chassis, otherwise no meaningful or purposeful follow up comments/opinions can be had vs hot air/speculation talk.

If I may take a jab, the both Front Cambers and left LF toe are probably within Specs, but the Right Front RF toe being negative aka toe-out is out of specs, as per BMW IIRC.

On typical straight ahead driving scenario your E90 may drifts or veers to the Right (with hands temporarily off the steering wheel, CAUTION please). Care to provide feedback ?

Though Total front toes (is it 3.1 mm, ?) are within BMW Specs, however do monitor and look out for potential uneven outside edge wear on your Left Front LF tyre .... IDK.

Can you have a visual check, on RF tyre as well?

Do you need to exert greater input or effort on steering wheel during turning Right vs turning Left? I suppose you do?

Feedbacks from you would be appreciated for the general benefits of other readers here.

Other Sifus may have more spot on assessments/comments forthcoming.

CMIIMW.

Edit: For easier identification/reference and avoiding likely confusions among readers, it would be nice if Model Year and type (like saloon, coupe, 3xx i petrol/diesel etc) of vehicle are disclosed for readers' benefits.

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 19 2021, 01:17 PM

Can't elaborate much on pricing, pretty much the standard fare of RM50 for front & rear wheels alignment job on b or c segment sized car. Can't remember how much was the balancing job, coz sometimes he threw in free balancing as I was his loyal customer for >20yrs.

If taxi lou seeks him out to pass puspakom test, he can't be expensive as this industry tries to save every penny on opex.

This post has been edited by speedy3210: Oct 19 2021, 08:23 PM

I had an uneven wear on my front right tyre and the car was steering to the right slightly hence I went for the alignment.

This is a rear wheel drive with stock absorbers and 225/45/17 and according to shop the cambers are ok. Was charged $85 for 4 wheel alignment at Glenmarie

That sounds strange (to me) whether a 'proper' 4 wheel alignment has actually been done in your case here.

E90 has stock Factory adjustments for both Rear Cambers and Rear Toes, as per youtube attached below:



With due respect, your Front After alignment report uploaded above does NOT suggest to me a 'proper' Rear Camber and Rear Toe balanced adjustments had been made in this 4 wheel alignment as you made known here.

Question:
Did you ever see with your own eyes the alignment tyreman actually went under the Rear Axle to inspect and actually spending some 10-20 minutes time with some spanners Adjusting the eccentric bolts for both Rear Camber Arms and Rear Tie rod Arms?



IF you don't, then that is not considered a 4 wheel alignment per se imho but a Thrust Line Alignment which meant different ways of doing wheel alignment.

Yes, your Left Front toe of 3.2 mm is about +00°17' (toe-in) and the Right Front toe of -0.1 mm is about -00°005' (toe-out). RF toe is numerically out of specs IINM.

Imho, if a real and proper Rear Camber and/or Rear toe adjustments (in this paid 4 wheel alignment) had actually been carried out then the Front After alignment values of this car may suggest tendency of car drifting/veering towards Right during straight ahead driving scenarios, if I may speculate.

Of course mechanical conditions of suspension system components and/or tyres conicities would have unknown influence as well on vehicle dynamics.

Just my 2 sen.

Note: Mind sharing with us the name of this Glenmarie alignment shop?

Edit: Add picture.

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 22 2021, 09:46 AM

Oops, you have indicated the screenshot as Before alignment adjustment.

Please ignore previous comments that assume otherwise.


Instead of possible inside/outside edge wear on Left Front LF tyre, can't figure out why would Right Front RF tyre has relatively more severe (inside/outside edge?) wear than LF other than tyre rotation beings practised, unknown Before Rear cambers and toes angles and/or driving styles etc.

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 22 2021, 10:12 AM

Whether or not Rear cambers and toes of a vehicle car is adjustable (for Rear Independent Suspension design) or
non-adjustable (for Rear Torsion Beam or solid live axle design),
it IS critically important to measure and display Rear cambers and toes in a typical 4-wheel Alignment or Thrust Line Alignment.
Front Wheel Alignment (as commonly practised locally in Malaysia) without any regards to Rear cambers and toes readings is a sure recipe for headaches or poor driving experience for local car owners imho.


Source: What Every Motorist Should Know About Wheel Alignment
by www.aa1car.com

This post has been edited by zeng: Oct 25 2021, 12:28 PM