In all honesty, that lateness of 5-10min could have been avoided by leaving house 15min earlier than usual. Knowing it's not a good habit, definitely try to avoid. Like someone said, sporadically being late - that's still alright. But consistently 1 week late is bad news. Company does have the right to issue warning letter for this, but whether it could be grounds for termination - unsure. Probably someone in the HR can advice.

For us it's simple. Overall throughout the year if you're late for more than x number of days, x% of your bonus will be deducted (quite a big %).
Cinapek? Very so if mau jaga poket then don't be late - that's the message they're sending.

i know where you are coming from and someone already mentioned this before, this only happens typically in Japanese/China based companies. I'm not defending this rule.

"Jaga pocket" lol just how much bonus will we get after 1 year of covid-charged business. Heard my seniors say this year the benefits clawback. But funnily enough still hiring new staffs. No idea where the common sense and logic went already.

I don't know man... I am a firm believer of following rules and respecting other people's time. If my date shows up late a few min in our first date, that raises a tiny flag in my mind. To me, a person respecting other people's time and rules earns my respect already especially in the working world.

If respecting thy rules over time management is important, the company would have released our salaries by 30th/31st of the month. Not wait until 7th of the following month before releasing the salary. Our salary is our time given to the company. Can't pay salary on time is also a form of lateness. Fight me.

The company you work for is a shitty company then. Please do not use the company you work for as an excuse not to respect time. Also, yes, I am fighting you.

Respect is a 2 way street. I can do whatever the company wishes me to do. But to pull the card "I'm boss"? Sure, most likely the kind of company won't last 10 years.

In this covid situation, chinaman companies become even more chinaman because they know its an employers market now

Yes, Tardiness/Lateness can be serious misconduct after repeated verbal/written warning.
At the end, it could be grounds of termination for employment contract.

I went through some of traditional mindset companies, they will say:

Today, the employment contract/ offer letter formed because
- Employer give salary to employee
- Employee give services to employer

If employee did not follow the clauses in employment contract (e.g. 48 working hours per week), it can consider as breach of contract indirectly.

This post has been edited by Jesse0916: Dec 5 2020, 11:18 PM

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No idea. Company managed to 'recover' after MCO period, and things improved tremendously in the past few months. The Management has always given out bonuses, even during recession in the '98 (according to the long timers), so I guess even in the worst case scenario, a small payout will still be given. Partially should be $ saved from any annual dinner/ trip etc this year, and also contribution from our deducted salary.

That's being way too strict imo. Give some flexibility. Being late several minutes for a social event (ie. a date, gathering, dinner etc) shouldn't be judged. But being late for a meeting, convention, important company event etc shouldn't happen for reasons it's official business/ work. Professionalism should be shown.

Thanks, guess you're from HR. I have a question:

You mentioned the 'clauses in employment contract' ie. the 48 working hours per week. This is in presumption that the employee who is constantly late for work, leaves on time.

However if he/ she always make up for the lateness? Example, every week he/ she comes in 15min late, but would stay up to 1 hour extra per day. That's 45min more than necessary to make up for the lateness. In this situation - i guess the clause is not effective?

Yep. Its a full on chinaman company mindset now. Can't be helped.

maybe after a few warnings?????

Well. You are right. You see for those companies, it's not really about performance or even productivity. It's just that the boss had some issues when he was young and now he just want to vent his frustration on the employees. You see, your boss is a control freak and he probably thinks almost everyone in the company are animals.

You made the mistake of joining this company in the first place. If you really have ability, you would have probably left a long time ago. Maybe you should plan to leave because really, this company really sux.

Actually, the situation can become very awkward when say someone which they cannot afford to let go at the moment stand up against them. For example me. Cinapek company are actually pretty easy to control. When you have something important, they cannot afford to let you go. And remember, no one wants to go to such a company so they probably know that they will not be able to replace you for a long time.

Now that I am working in this company for a short while, I realize only incapable people stay there. But then misery loves misery. And because I have something important. I can "play" around with them.

And I know those incapable people probably hate my guts. You see, I can do what I do because I am almost "indispensable". You know that they are incapable already because they can be so easily brainwashed and controlled.

Actually, most of those cinapek bosses really are not that smart. Serious. And they have serious issues when they were young that's why they think they now become bosses they can treat you like a slave just because they are your bosses. Stay there longer and you start to think like your cinapek boss. It's not good.

This post has been edited by sickjoker: Dec 7 2020, 09:05 PM

5 minutes is peanut, I would allow even 1 hour, but you go back 1 hour late lo.

Unfortunately, you are dealing with people who wants to make life difficult for others.

Screw people like this, its no that you get rewarded for arriving 5 mins earlier as well.

If you really think about it. The core of the issue was never just about "punctuality"

Funny why so many ppl support TS since he late to work for 1 week.
I do agreed that late to work is fine but not late to work for 1 week. If the weather remains the same for 1 month, will TS late to work for 1 month?
BTW, if stealing money they are not going to fire you. They will send you to jail

This post has been edited by dreamfasten: Dec 7 2020, 11:14 PM

I feel really sorry for you.