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Can you get fired for coming in to work late?
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Jesse0916
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Dec 5 2020, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Dec 4 2020, 02:54 PM) In all honesty, that lateness of 5-10min could have been avoided by leaving house 15min earlier than usual. Knowing it's not a good habit, definitely try to avoid. Like someone said, sporadically being late - that's still alright. But consistently 1 week late is bad news. Company does have the right to issue warning letter for this, but whether it could be grounds for termination - unsure. Probably someone in the HR can advice. For us it's simple. Overall throughout the year if you're late for more than x number of days, x% of your bonus will be deducted (quite a big %). Cinapek? Very  so if mau jaga poket then don't be late - that's the message they're sending. Yes, Tardiness/Lateness can be serious misconduct after repeated verbal/written warning. At the end, it could be grounds of termination for employment contract.
I went through some of traditional mindset companies, they will say:
Today, the employment contract/ offer letter formed because - Employer give salary to employee - Employee give services to employer
If employee did not follow the clauses in employment contract (e.g. 48 working hours per week), it can consider as breach of contract indirectly.This post has been edited by Jesse0916: Dec 5 2020, 11:18 PM
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Jesse0916
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Dec 8 2020, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Dec 7 2020, 09:38 AM) Thanks, guess you're from HR. I have a question: You mentioned the 'clauses in employment contract' ie. the 48 working hours per week. This is in presumption that the employee who is constantly late for work, leaves on time. However if he/ she always make up for the lateness? Example, every week he/ she comes in 15min late, but would stay up to 1 hour extra per day. That's 45min more than necessary to make up for the lateness. In this situation - i guess the clause is not effective? Haha...I am HR kuli, bukan expert.
Can he/she make up for lateness? This is depends on the company & management, but I believe majority managers will not allow it.
1) For example, if you are in manufacturing (assembly line), each worker start their production at 8:30am. If one person late to the production line, the whole production target will be affected.
2) Some of the company still has key holder practice(the last person lock the door). If the staff want to make up for the lateness, but key holder want to lock office door on time & go back home. In this case, it become impossible to stay up.
3) the 48 hours per week is an example. Most of the company will indicate the working hours in employment contract clearly, such as 9am - 6pm Monday to Friday.
etc....will add on if any.
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Jesse0916
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Dec 9 2020, 10:36 PM
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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Dec 9 2020, 09:53 AM) Was referring to the fact that employment clause states employees must work min 48 hours. So my point is, even if included in the late hours, the employee still contributing >48 hours, is it deem ineffective for the employer to take action? Checked with my HR college about your question here. As long as staff was late for even 2 minutes only, it still consider as "lateness", and company is able to take disciplinary actions to end the employment contract after few warning letters. It happen to some of my colleges also.
As mentioned, end of the day this is depends on your superior/manager, whether they will cover you or not. Assuming you are one of the poor performance staff in the department, definitely "lateness" will become one of the points to against you. This post has been edited by Jesse0916: Dec 9 2020, 10:37 PM
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