a lot of people mention japanese company, chinaman company. eh, if you have stupid boss who is very critical about timing, malay, and indian company also the same la. they will still find excuse to penalise you.

Right so 2-3 weeks ago I came into office late for the entire week - 5 1/2 days per week. Work hours are 8am to 5pm, Saturdays 8am to 12pm. So for that week, I checked into work by 5-10mins late, and it was just that week I came in later - due to bad weather.

So last week the HR girl came and find me. She was telling me "this is a verbal warning because last week you were late by 5-10mins. In the future if you are late again, it's grounds for you to get fired. Do you understand?" Something along that line. I of course apologised and said I won't do it anymore (or at least try not to) in the future.

And earlier this week, one of my colleagues got a warning letter for being late by 5mins...

I understand its not a good habit to always come in to work late. But really? Getting fired just over lateness? Isn't that a bit extreme? Is lateness in a non-FSC job taken in such a high regard? We're not a back or financial sector, and we don't face customers in person daily. We deliver our daily and weekly work earlier than usual. We've been consistently hitting targets regularly too. Is lateness any worst than say...stealing money from the company? Or breaking company property to say the least? Why are employers like this??????????????????????????????????                 

it is normal to deduct salary if late to work?

from HR perspective:

its not that easy to fire someone just because being late.

being late is a minor misconduct.
but habitual lateness is a major misconduct.

and habitual lateness can cause issues with teammates/colleagues, interfere with work, productivity, and whatever negative effect you can put in.
example: how can a manager or supervisor arrange a schedule / plan, and then one of his staff doesnt come on time and cause him to change schedule everytime?

this is more than enough reason to fire someone.

of course, need to give enough warning and ample time for the staff to explain and improve themselves.
if still continue, then bye bye.

Is it normal to always pay staff salary late?

Typical mindset where "I step on you, you stab me to death" scenario. There's no winning here.

You are right. Frequent lateness like TS is a habitual lateness. I encountered cases MNC fired staffs who were regularly late for work. One can go to the Industrial Court case management portal to search and download the details for those cases.
Paying before or on 7th of next calendar month is legally allowed. Section 19(1) of the Employment Act 1955, you're to be paid within 7 days after the last day of any wage period (usually a month).  HR needs time to compute PCB, EPF contribution, Socso, OT calculation and etc.

Even if it's legal, it's still late. You seem to forget most MNCs release salary by 1st in the latest. Receiving salary by 7th = no motivation to work.
Chinaman company is really chinaman company. Work 5.5 days of the week, 52 weeks of the year, and still paying such a crap salary. Work OT didn't even pay OT. You think this is fair for the employee or not? Can say "just leave on time lah" sure can. Then later boss bising say never stay back to do more work what's your justification for that?

If want us to replace the 5-10mins during lunch or after work, also can. Not an issue with me. People just have to live and let live.

To be honest, I still do not understand why receive salary by 7th. All cinaman companies seem to be like that.

When you pay by 7th, how am I going to pay my credit card fees, my rental etc.

Is it normal to always pay staff salary late?

Typical mindset where "I step on you, you stab me to death" scenario. There's no winning here.

Thanks for clarifying.

'nuff said, employees need to take this more seriously than it may seem. Malaysians have a bad habit of being late, thus the "Malaysian timing" saying. BUCK UP PEOPLE!
Salary cannot be out later than 7th of the month. If they're even 1 day late, you can report them.

Interesting discussion guys, to me it’s all depend on company culture and practice, I have worked in an environment like TS and there’s no other way to deal with that except to follow the norm in the company.. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong but that’s how the company operate and we need to abide by the guideline

On the other hand, you can always leave if you’re not happy with the culture like I did and most companies that I work before or after that never see time to office as an issue or a even a point of discussion, new KPI/SLA is very robust and as long as you achieve your target, complete your deliverables by end of day/week or month no one gonna ask you anything even they didn’t see in office at all and i strongly believe this is a better practice after over 15yrs in employment market. This practice would allow exceptional creativity from the employee and better result.

luckily my mnc bank emphasize on effectiveness/efficiency rather than on this sort of minute stuff.

And it is an unwritten rule that meeting should not be set at 9am sharp. I believe this is the family value that my employer keeps emphasize on

Like it or not, the "leave if you don't like" and "don't like, don't use" comeback is getting stupid. As long as the company and I need each other, this mindset should be burnt to ashes and never be brought up again. It's pathetic as much as its childish.

This basically. It's not like we are a customer facing department. We don't even deal with customers at all. So what's the problem when we complete our daily, weekly, monthly tasks on time? It's not like we drag 500yrs to complete it.

my advice, if you do not like the working culture, just leave. No big deal.
Even myself, i left my previous companies due to management and culture issue.

"Don't like working culture then leave" is a pretty stupid advise. So if you face a problem, your predisposition is to leave? Man if that's your approach to life, then your problem solving skills must have really sucked. No 15yrs of work experience can cover that up.

If late by 5-10mins late, either leave house early or replace the late minutes. That's one of the ways to resolve the problem. Not leave over 10mins lateness it's very childish. Typical Malaysian mindset.