ok..ty for ur immediate reply
tml holiday will browse thru the audyssey official thread slowly and digest..

Good luck

Happy New Year!

i'm using onkyo 606 receiver.
calibration on speaker using calibration mic and happy with it.
here is my problem.
when using sony bdp 350 bluray player it will show the word tru dts or master hd on receiver display.
when using pioneer 50fd bluray player no sign/word of tru dts or master on receiver display.

why?

it only show word like pcm, dts, neo cinema and audyssey only.
both blu ray player give good audio and video quality.

what should i do to get those tru dts and master hd back on receiver display?

i want to ensure that the receiver outputting both format since i'm using bluray disc most of the time.
btw i'm using 2 pcs of qed performance hdmi cable.one, from source to avr and other one from avr to display.

thank you in advance friends.

Bro,

Check the bitstream settings on the Pioneer and switch off secondary audio, I believe that may be the problem.

I envy you, you have 2 BD players! Do you see a PQ difference comparing the 2 of them?

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jan 5 2009, 08:02 PM

will check now and let you know soon.
err...how to check the bitstream setting?
picture quality almost the same.
audio quality pioneer wins.

Bro,

Is it 50FD or 05FD? Or is it 51FD?

sorry, typo error
51 FD model .
problem still there... only pcm, dts, hdmi, neo.6 and audyssey appear on the screen of avr.
dunno what to do now.....help.

I'm not familiar with the Pioneer BDP-51FD since i don't own one. Googling on the web, its specifications are stated as -

Internal Audio Decoders: The BDP-51FD features internal decoding of all advanced audio formats including Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution, and DTS-HD Master*. The BDP‑51FD also provides bit-stream audio over the HDMI jack of all of the above formats.

So your Pioneer should be able to both decode all the HD audio formats internally and send this out over your HDMI connection as a Linear PCM signal (in which case your Onkyo 606 display will just show "Multich" and "PCM", or you could turn the Pioneer's internal decoding off and have it bitstream the HD audio signal out for the 606 to decode (in which case your 606's display will show the appropriate HD audio format on its front display).

Both my Sony PS3 and older Sony BDP-S300 can decode the appropriate HD audio formats internally but they don't support bitstreaming of the HD audio over HDMI, so all I ever get on my 805's display is just "Multich PCM" but this is still OK as the format is still correct it's just that the 805 only knows that it is receving the already decoded HD audio signal in Linear PCM format and can't tell whether it was originally encoded/compressed as DTS HD MA or Dolby TrueHD, etc.

If you want your 606 to show the nice HD audio format on its display you need to turn off internal decoding on your 51FD and have its audio out as bitstream.

Try setting HDMI Audio Out setting to Auto. Also when playing movie, click Audio and select the audio stream that you want by using the arrow keys and see if the lights at the AVR light up. Another setting to check would be the HDMI High-Speed Transmission set to On. Also make sure that you cable can carry Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio (they call this HDMI 1.3a but some of the cheap cables do not have enough gage to carry all the information).

I do not have the set, I just downloaded the manual and reading from there. The problem is definately in the setting at the Pioneer.

Yeah, you are right.
the problems is setting on pioneer.
i put back the everything back on factory setting on pioneer and i get back all the missing display(true hd and master hd).
i believe onkyo doing the decoding in this way.
will try again so that pioneer do the decoding job.

Compare the decoding done by the set compared to the Onkyo. I heard that bitstream to the Onkyo meaning the Onkyo doing the processing might sound nicer. See what sounds better to you

SQ-wise, it should make absolutely NO difference whether the 606 or the 51FD does the decoding. Most ppl prefer to hv the AVR decode since then they get to see the HD audio format on the AVR's display instead of PCM.

Augustinesoh,

Technically this is what it should be but in real life it does not seem so. I have tried a few titles even at DVD level by bitstreaming and PCM from player (DVD player pioneer and PS3) for some DTS and Dolby Digital titles, there seems to be a difference. The dynamic range seems to be wider. The only reason I can think of is, maybe the implemetation of the dialog normalization and the decoding chips/algorithms for the audio codecs might vary from equipment to equipment. I prefer bitstream for dolby digital, dts compared to PCM from my players. Try it and see if you can hear a difference. I do not have any BD players to compare bitstream vs PCM for the lossless formats but for the lossy formats my ears seem to think otherwise.

Edit: If you don't hear any differences, then maybe its my old ears.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jan 6 2009, 11:18 AM

how to know is my avr is doing the decoding or my dvd is doing the decoding?
mine is non hdmi dvd player, and normally i just switch the audio mode on the dvd player

tried out just now.almost no difference whether avr or bluray player do the decoding job.use sony bdp 350 and pioneer 51FD as source.

btw, my biggest mistake was to set the audio output in analog digital wheras i'm using hdmi cabe.

so put back all output( video/audio) on hdmi mode on pioneer 51FD.
on hdmi mode....firstly 606 will dispaly pcm multichannel , hdmi on panel. after play the disc on 51FD i get back those lovely words "true hd" or "master hd".
try out by analog digital on audio output,no lovely words appear on 606 panel but dts, hdmi,neo:6.
picture quality don't change only audio quality better on hdmi.....again my ears only.
my 2 rupiah conclusion......enjoy the sound and don't bother about who doing the decoding job.

You may have a point there.

Technically speaking, both the AVR and the BDP are working in the digital domain when decoding the compressed HD audio stream so there _should_ not be any difference (it's all 1's and 0's after all). Unfortunately, i can't verify this with the HD audio formats since both my Sony PS3 and BDP (Sony S300) lack bitstream support.

However my own experience with the DTS and Dolby Digital format (i.e., non-HD audio formats) seems to be in line with your impressions. I hv a stand-alone DVD player (the Pioneer DV-610AV) and i find that DTS sounds different when bitstream'd from the 610 to be decoded on the 805, compared to when it is decoded onboard the PS3 (or S300) and then output to the 805 as PCM.

Still, if gatevalve's findings are representative of the other players and AVRs out there, then it would appear there is no difference between AVR or player decoding where the HD audio formats are concerned.

This post has been edited by augustinesoh: Jan 6 2009, 01:26 PM

gents,
my point is apple to apple only.
never try with high end one.(no plan to get any blue ray player more than rm2.5k in near future)

just now, try out again sony bdp 350(sold to robin) and pioneer 51FD with robin( LYN forum member) we still can't find any difference in picture quality.since we feed both them to onkyo 606 via hdmi cable ,audio quality ,yes some difference, onkyo 606 does the job(decoding) and my ears telling me pioneer better in this section. robin says he can't hear any difference.different people , different tools.....he he
the good point here is trust yourself (eyes & ears).

again, i believe it will be better to get a good avr with better capability of decoding and upscaling rather than to invest the money into source.
pioneer 51FD is my third bluray player in this 2 months after sony bdp 350 and samsung 1400) picture quality(these player) not much difference on my panny plasma 42" pv 8.(my eyes do the comparison)

review on magazine / internet just a guideline.any players which do not do the onboard( true dts/master hd) decoding will loose some rating.
for me these feature not really important since good avr will do the job.

again, trust your eyes, ears and budget.

my 2 kupang.

This afternoon, i went HN in pavillion. They quoted to me onkyo 606 = RM 3000+..... Any recommended hifi shop ? Tq

check with cmy (sunway pyramid, one utama, sg wang plaza) or desa lowyat.
i got mine from cmy sunway 4 months back at rm 2.7k. desa offer me yamaha rv 1800 for rm 3250......tempting offer.