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post Dec 26 2008, 11:49 AM

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post Dec 26 2008, 12:04 PM

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i have onkyo 606 and htx-22hd, its really kick ass, however i wanna sell it and upgrade
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hey dude, where did u get the HTX-22HD and for how much? i emailed the local distributor (swee seng) and they told me its not available in malaysia due to low demand. ive been surveying for this. thnx!

btw, this 5.1 entry level setup from onkyo really caught my attention (HTR-S3100):

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-HT-S3100-Chann...30264303&sr=8-1

however, im mightily miffed that its selling for RM1.9k here sad.gif the RRP in US is only USD350! and amazon is selling it for USD299... sigh.

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post Dec 29 2008, 01:21 AM

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hi sifus,
wat is the center n surround speaker set to full band means?
normmaly wat is the db lvl set for subwoofer?
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post Dec 29 2008, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 29 2008, 01:21 AM)
hi sifus,
wat is the center n surround speaker set to full band means?
normmaly wat is the db lvl set for subwoofer?
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The 'Full Band' setting on your Onkyo is the equivalent of the 'Large' speaker setting on other receivers. What this means is that you are telling your Onkyo AV Receiver that your speakers are capable of reproducing the full range of frequencies, including the lower bass frequencies / LFEs. When set to Full Band, your AVR will play the low frequencies through your main speakers and (depending on your other bass management settings in your AVR and subwoofer, e.g., Double Bass setting in your AVR and subwoofer crossover level in your subwoofer), also through your subwoofer. Most people recommend setting your main speakers (fronts, center and surrounds) to 'Small' or, in the case of the Onkyo, changing the Speaker Config setting to a specific crossover frequency other than "Full Band" - most people set it to 80Hz THX as a starting point (even if your main speakers specifications i.e., frequency response range says they can handle frequencies below 80Hz). This will ensure that the bass frequencies below the crossover level get sent to your subwoofer (which is best equipped to handle them) leaving your main speakers free to deal with the higher frequencies above the crossover point.

If you have a sound pressure level (SPL) meter, you should set your subwoofer's dB level to match the level of your other speakers, although if you like a little more 'oomph' to your movies and music, some people (like me) set it a couple of dBs higher to give the bass more 'kick'. Here's a link to a good guide to setting speaker levels using a SPL - CALIBRATING YOUR AUDIO WITH A SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL (SPL) METER and here's a link to a page on subwoofer basics - A GUIDE TO SUBWOOFERS.
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post Dec 29 2008, 10:43 PM

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just came back from SG....Onkyo 606 is selling around 700 sing= 1680 RM.... including GST

and if u buy from Harvey Norman(funan) around 800 sing....

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post Dec 30 2008, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(augustinesoh @ Dec 29 2008, 02:28 PM)
The 'Full Band' setting on your Onkyo is the equivalent of the 'Large' speaker setting on other receivers. What this means is that you are telling your Onkyo AV Receiver that your speakers are capable of reproducing the full range of frequencies, including the lower bass frequencies / LFEs. When set to Full Band, your AVR will play the low frequencies through your main speakers and (depending on your other bass management settings in your AVR and subwoofer, e.g., Double Bass setting in your AVR and subwoofer crossover level in your subwoofer), also through your subwoofer. Most people recommend setting your main speakers (fronts, center and surrounds) to 'Small' or, in the case of the Onkyo, changing the Speaker Config setting to a specific crossover frequency other than "Full Band" - most people set it to 80Hz THX as a starting point (even if your main speakers specifications i.e., frequency response range says they can handle frequencies below 80Hz). This will ensure that the bass frequencies below the crossover level get sent to your subwoofer (which is best equipped to handle them) leaving your main speakers free to deal with the higher frequencies above the crossover point.
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in order to set "double bass" to ON, the front need to put in full band rite?
after audyssey calibration, when playing dolby digital or THX mode, the sound a little soft.., i need to increase till -20db in volume only can be heard clearly..just curious any thing went wrong b4 calibration -23 or -25db is good enuf.. doh.gif
and i check the speaker setting, the db lvl for the front is around -3.0 to -3.5db..almost same as previous lvl..wonder wat went wrong with the audyssey... shakehead.gif
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post Dec 30 2008, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 30 2008, 03:48 PM)
in order to set "double bass" to ON, the front need to put in full band rite?
after audyssey calibration, when playing dolby digital or THX mode, the sound a little soft.., i need to increase till -20db in volume only can be heard clearly..just curious any thing went wrong b4 calibration -23 or -25db is good enuf.. doh.gif
and i check the speaker setting, the db lvl for the front is around -3.0 to -3.5db..almost same as previous lvl..wonder wat went wrong with the audyssey... shakehead.gif
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try with other dvds.. sometimes different dvds have different sound level.. that's what i noticed from my settings.. some movies okay, some movies need to increase the vol.
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post Dec 30 2008, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 30 2008, 03:48 PM)
in order to set "double bass" to ON, the front need to put in full band rite?
after audyssey calibration, when playing dolby digital or THX mode, the sound a little soft.., i need to increase till -20db in volume only can be heard clearly..just curious any thing went wrong b4 calibration -23 or -25db is good enuf.. doh.gif
and i check the speaker setting, the db lvl for the front is around -3.0 to -3.5db..almost same as previous lvl..wonder wat went wrong with the audyssey... shakehead.gif
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Hard to say without more details.

What setup do you currently have? 5.1? 2.1?

Do you mean the dialogue coming from the center channel is too soft and cannot be heard clearly? Or the audio from the fronts (left and right)? Are the ambient sounds from the surrounds fine? How does the bass from the subwoofer sound? How many positions did you measure using Audyssey? The more positions you use, the more information Audyssey has to work its magic. i typically use all 8 positions available.

From my own experience, Audyssey didn't significantly alter the loudness of the audio coming from my speakers but greatly improved the focus and soundstage. Before Audyssey my jazz and classical pieces sounded 'boomy' and the vocals and individual instruments were less 'defined'. After Audyssey, the individual vocals and instruments seemed tighter / more defined and you could identify their respective positions in the soundstage better. On some CDs, the soundstage also felt wider, more expansive. The only downside for me was that Audyssey seemed to set the bass too low/soft. I used to push the bass levels up by adding +3dB to +5dB from whatever level Audyssey set for my subwoofer (which worked great for movies but less so for music).

ixiel may also be right - some of my movies had a very soft center channel such that dialog was too soft and for those movies i had to manually boost the center channel level. Most other movies sounded fine.
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post Dec 30 2008, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(augustinesoh @ Dec 30 2008, 05:00 PM)
Do you mean the dialogue coming from the center channel is too soft and cannot be heard clearly? Or the audio from the fronts (left and right)? Are the ambient sounds from the surrounds fine? How does the bass from the subwoofer sound? How many positions did you measure using Audyssey? The more positions you use, the more information Audyssey has to work its magic. i typically use all 8 positions available.

From my own experience, Audyssey didn't significantly alter the loudness of the audio coming from my speakers but greatly improved the focus and soundstage. Before Audyssey my jazz and classical pieces sounded 'boomy' and the vocals and individual instruments were less 'defined'. After Audyssey, the individual vocals and instruments seemed tighter / more defined and you could identify their respective positions in the soundstage better. On some CDs, the soundstage also felt wider, more expansive. The only downside for me was that Audyssey seemed to set the bass too low/soft. I used to push the bass levels up by adding +3dB to +5dB from whatever level Audyssey set for my subwoofer (which worked great for movies but less so for music).
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i'm using 5.1 setup..for stereo mode i adjust volume at about -30db..it is consider loud..
but using THX / Dolby i need to incrase till -20db to get the same "loudness", b4 calibration is around -25 or -23db is consider loud...
i calibrate 3 postions..and i noted down all the stats b4 and after calibration done on the speaker setting, is just 0.5 to 1 diff..
i try few DVDs, the wierd thing is dialogue from the concert is loud, but for movies is soft..i just wonder do audyssey calibrate the inner EQ for THX/ Dolby or other modes besides calcultating distance, db lvls...sorry for asking such a noob question doh.gif
or issit my DVD player (non hdmi), about 3-4yrs of age, got some prob, may be cant differentiate some audio format ,will that be the cause? shakehead.gif
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post Dec 30 2008, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 30 2008, 06:30 PM)
i try few DVDs, the wierd thing is dialogue from the concert is loud, but for movies is soft..
When you say dialog from the concert, do you mean concert _DVDs_? Or do you mean _CDs_? If DVD, do you select the same audio track as movies. i.e., Dolby/DTS or do you watch in Stereo/2-channel audio mode? If the dialog/vocals sound fine when in stereo / 2-channel (or even 2.1 channel) mode but sounds soft when listening in one of the 5.1 listening modes (DD/DTS/THX) then you may have to consider the possibility that your center channel speaker is defective (blown tweeter perhaps?).

You can always test to see if Audyssey EQ is the cause of the softer audio - just select the Direct listening mode in your Onkyo (which turns Audyssey EQ off) or better yet, go into your Onkyo's setup, under Speaker Settings - Equalizer (or something like that - am posting this from my office so can't go and check the exact name of the setting) and instead of 'Audyssey' change the equalizer setting to 'None'. Now, play the same DVDs using the same audio tracks as before and see if there is a difference. If yes, then Audyssey is probably the culprit. You might want to try calibrating for all 8 positions using Audyssey (see this link for a good Audyssey setup guide).

Hope this helps.
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post Dec 30 2008, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(augustinesoh @ Dec 30 2008, 06:51 PM)
When you say dialog from the concert, do you mean concert _DVDs_? Or do you mean _CDs_? If DVD, do you select the same audio track as movies. i.e., Dolby/DTS or do you watch in Stereo/2-channel audio mode? If the dialog/vocals sound fine when in stereo / 2-channel (or even 2.1 channel) mode but sounds soft when listening in one of the 5.1 listening modes (DD/DTS/THX) then you may have to consider the possibility that your center channel speaker is defective (blown tweeter perhaps?).

You can always test to see if Audyssey EQ is the cause of the softer audio - just select the Direct listening mode in your Onkyo (which turns Audyssey EQ off) or better yet, go into your Onkyo's setup, under Speaker Settings - Equalizer (or something like that - am posting this from my office so can't go and check the exact name of the setting) and instead of 'Audyssey' change the equalizer setting to 'None'. Now, play the same DVDs using the same audio tracks as before and see if there is a difference. If yes, then Audyssey is probably the culprit. You might want to try calibrating for all 8 positions using Audyssey (see this link for a good Audyssey setup guide).

Hope this helps.
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hopefully not my center to be blown, cos i watching concert DVD in Dolby mode, it is loud n clear..
ty for ur link, will try it out later when back home...
the audyssey for my 805 always set my sub to -15db which is the lowest lvl, wondering wat happen, normally put at wat db for sub? and for a better bass response, is to adjust the BASS lvl for the sub (in the tone control) or adjust the Db lvl for the sub hmm.gif
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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 30 2008, 07:04 PM)
hopefully not my center to be blown, cos i watching concert DVD in Dolby mode, it is loud n clear..
ty for ur link, will try it out later when back home...
the audyssey for my 805 always set my sub to -15db which is the lowest lvl, wondering wat happen, normally put at wat db for sub? and for a better bass response, is to adjust the BASS lvl for the sub (in the tone control) or adjust the Db lvl for the sub hmm.gif
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That being the case, it is unlikely that your center speaker is the problem.

The reason Audyssey is setting your sub for maximum downward compensation (-15dB i believe is the lowest level available in the Onkyo 805) is because you hv the volume level on the sub set too high and Audyssey is trying its best to compensate but can only set to its lowest available level). I may be wrong but i think therein lies the problem you're having with your overall audio levels being too soft.

Before you run Audyssey you should try and give it the best possible starting point. One of the things you should do is try and set / match your sub's level to that of your main speakers. The correct way if you have a SPL meter of course is to set the sub level as close to reference (75dB) before you begin your Audyssey calibration. The way to do this is to begin with your sub's volume knob set at about 1/3 or 1/4 setting, then set the sub calibration level in your Onkyo to about -3.0dB. Now play the Onkyo's test tone through your sub and with your SPL meter in your primary listening position, adjust the sub's volume control until the reading is around 75dB. When i did this with my previous sub, i ended up with my volume knob at about 1/4. Try this tonight before re-running Audyssey and i think you will notice a marked improvement in Audyssey's results after calibration... While you're at it, you may as well check to see if the other speakers are at near-reference levels as well (using the Onkyo's test tone for each speaker).

If however you don't hv a SPL meter, then try playing a music track that has good sustained bass (e.g., a jazz piece with a repeating double-bass riff going in the background - Diana Krall's S'Wonderful comes to mind but there are many others). The idea is to adjust (lower?) your sub's volume control until the bass sounds natural and blends or matches well with the rest of the music/instruments (you'll know if it's set too high because the bass notes will sound unnaturally 'boomy' and tend to overpower the other mid to higher frequencies coming from the vocals and other instruments).

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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 30 2008, 07:04 PM)
and for a better bass response, is to adjust the BASS lvl for the sub (in the tone control) or adjust the Db lvl for the sub hmm.gif
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After running Audyssey calibration, you should never adjust the sub level using the sub's volume control. Audyssey will keep track of changes made using the 805's levels and adjust its EQ to compensate so that the calibrated EQ settings aren't affected but if you change the level through the sub's volume knob Audyssey will have no knowledge of this and it will probably screw up your carefully calibrated EQ.

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Guys, i owned a 505 and i still can't control my ASTRO with the onkyo remote. Anyone here knows the code for ASTRO? i've tried a few but none is working.

I believe my remote doesnt have the capabilities to learn from ASTRO remote. Is there anyway to know the code?
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QUOTE(ixiel @ Dec 30 2008, 08:30 PM)
Guys, i owned a 505 and i still can't control my ASTRO with the onkyo remote. Anyone here knows the code for ASTRO? i've tried a few but none is working.

I believe my remote doesnt have the capabilities to learn from ASTRO remote. Is there anyway to know the code?
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Not sure abt your 505, but I have the 805 and its remote was able to learn Astro remote commands. Was using it with the macro function to operate my system before i got my Harmony One...
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post Dec 31 2008, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(augustinesoh @ Dec 30 2008, 07:34 PM)
If however you don't hv a SPL meter, then try playing a music track that has good sustained bass (e.g., a jazz piece with a repeating double-bass riff going in the background - Diana Krall's S'Wonderful comes to mind but there are many others). The idea is to adjust (lower?) your sub's volume control until the bass sounds natural and blends or matches well with the rest of the music/instruments (you'll know if it's set too high because the bass notes will sound unnaturally 'boomy' and tend to overpower the other mid to higher frequencies coming from the vocals and other instruments).

Added on December 30, 2008, 7:40 pm

After running Audyssey calibration, you should never adjust the sub level using the sub's volume control. Audyssey will keep track of changes made using the 805's levels and adjust its EQ to compensate so that the calibrated EQ settings aren't affected but if you change the level through the sub's volume knob Audyssey will have no knowledge of this and it will probably screw up your carefully calibrated EQ.
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thanks augustine, may i know where to get a SPL meter, and how much would it cost normally? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 31 2008, 10:38 AM)
thanks augustine, may i know where to get a SPL meter, and how much would it cost normally? hmm.gif
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I got mine many years ago, brand is Extech but I forget the model no. I think it is something like 307737 (Extech has a range of different SPL meters available). Got it in KL from a shop called Vanguard Electronics S/B - Tel: 03-20788213, website: Vanguard Electronics. Can't remember the price i paid back then, though. Most people in the forums use the Radio Shack SPL (either the analog or digital model). I don't know where in KL you can get these though. Maybe someone in these forums can help. The advantage to getting the Radio Shack model is that it is the de facto popular model and there are readily available SPL compensation charts available on the 'Net to account for its know inaccuracies (esp. at the lower frequencies which you will be using to measure your subwoofer's response). I haven't been able to find similar charts for my Extech SPL.
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QUOTE(augustinesoh @ Dec 31 2008, 11:11 AM)
I got mine many years ago, brand is Extech but I forget the model no. I think it is something like 307737 (Extech has a range of different SPL meters available). Got it in KL from a shop called Vanguard Electronics S/B - Tel: 03-20788213, website: Vanguard Electronics. Can't remember the price i paid back then, though. Most people in the forums use the Radio Shack SPL (either the analog or digital model). I don't know where in KL you can get these though. Maybe someone in these forums can help. The advantage to getting the Radio Shack model is that it is the de facto popular model and there are readily available SPL compensation charts available on the 'Net to account for its know inaccuracies (esp. at the lower frequencies which you will be using to measure your subwoofer's response). I haven't been able to find similar charts for my Extech SPL.
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yesterday recalibrate my 805, my audyssey calibrate my front spk till the surround spk is about 11 feet, tat is about my living room size, my front spk is set to -3.0db by audyssey..
hmm..but 5.1 movie volume at -20db still quite soft... hmm.gif
normally u guys watch movies at wat volume?
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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 31 2008, 01:57 PM)
yesterday recalibrate my 805, my audyssey calibrate my front spk till the surround spk is about 11 feet, tat is about my living room size, my front spk is set to -3.0db by audyssey..
Don't quite understand what you meant to say by that? The distances Audyssey gives for each speaker is the distance from the first measurement position to the respective speaker, so that if the distance it sets for the Front Left speaker is 11 feet it means that it has determined that the distance from that speaker to the first position where you placed your Audyssey calibration mic is 11 feet. Which is why you should always take your first measurement from your primary listening position. A -3.0dB for the front speakers should be fine. Audyssey sets my Fronts at -4.5dB (Left) and -5.5dB (Right).

QUOTE(swine @ Dec 31 2008, 01:57 PM)
hmm..but 5.1 movie volume at -20db still quite soft... hmm.gif
normally u guys watch movies at wat volume?
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Have you tried disabling Audyssey equalisation in the 805 Setup and seeing if this makes a difference to the volume levels? What were your Speaker Level Calibration settings in the 805 prior to running Audyssey? Does it make a difference if you restore the settings for the speakers back to the original dB levels?
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QUOTE(augustinesoh @ Dec 31 2008, 02:21 PM)
Don't quite understand what you meant to say by that? The distances Audyssey gives for each speaker is the distance from the first measurement position to the respective speaker, so that if the distance it sets for the Front Left speaker is 11 feet it means that it has determined that the distance from that speaker to the first position where you placed your Audyssey calibration mic is 11 feet. Which is why you should always take your first measurement from your primary listening position. A -3.0dB for the front speakers should be fine. Audyssey sets my Fronts at -4.5dB (Left) and -5.5dB (Right).
Have you tried disabling Audyssey equalisation in the 805 Setup and seeing if this makes a difference to the volume levels? What were your Speaker Level Calibration settings in the 805 prior to running Audyssey? Does it make a difference if you restore the settings for the speakers back to the original dB levels?
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ya..my front n my surround is in line, and my sofas located just behind the wall that hang my surround spk..and whenever i calibrate audyssey, i will place the mic at the ear level (top of the sofa back rest), and it measure at about 11ft..so tat is the end to end of my living room tongue.gif
is tat the correct way for mic placement?
possible to revert back to old setting? i dinn note down the previous audyssey setup
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QUOTE(swine @ Dec 31 2008, 02:59 PM)
ya..my front n my surround is in line, and my sofas located just behind the wall that hang my surround spk..and whenever i calibrate audyssey, i will place the mic at the ear level (top of the sofa back rest), and it measure at about 11ft..so tat is the end to end of my living room tongue.gif
is tat the correct way for mic placement?
possible to revert back to old setting? i dinn note down the previous audyssey setup
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You should place the calibration mic on a tripod or stand instead of resting it on top of the sofa back rest (read the Official Audyssey Thread for reasons why).

Depending on the source (DVD/BD and the particular movie) i normally watch at between -20dB to -13dB (as mentioned earlier, different movies hv different loudness levels). Also time of day 'cos i hv to watch at lower volume at night if i dont want trouble with my wife (and neighbours)!
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