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Notoriez
post Jul 31 2007, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(selvalives @ Jul 31 2007, 10:48 AM)
AS I KNOW ALREADY, THE COMMUNITY HERE IS TRYING TO COVER UP A CHEATING CASE. READ FROM THE FIRST PAGE, U WILL KNOW. THAT IS WHAT I CAN SAY
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Dude,

I'll guess that you never seen or met Viking2w personally shakehead.gif

Don't JUDGE a BOOK by it's COVER..can you see his successful trading lists?? How much?? And only this time maybe he made a mistake..don't ever CALL people a CHEATER unless he's proven GUILTY!..

I've met him and talk to him and he seems to be a very nice seller...how can you expect to get a 2nd HP without any WEAR and TEAR! Now he's willing to share the cost of replacing the HP casing with the buyer..where else you can get a better deal than that?? Im asking you now..

Next time if in doubt of the products quality that you bought online then do COD! If can't do COD then don't do any online DEAL @ all shakehead.gif

So if i were the buyer, i would like to take up Viking's offer and SHUT THE HELL UP!
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post Jul 31 2007, 08:09 PM

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u refund my money, take back ur PDA and change to new casing, sell it at higher price also can wat???u got 120% profit and i got 0%.. its isn't fair but i can accept tongue.gif
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post Jul 31 2007, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(ad_rv4 @ Jul 31 2007, 08:04 PM)
the previous owner already admit he dropped the PDA and got scratch at the top, u need to ask him although the PDA with you at that time, what a ridiculous story u create there..i highlight here again, if u show me the pics and inform me about that scratch, to tell you the truth, ive got no interest of that PDA..you should told me at the first place, won't you?????
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as you said here.

u saw the scratch > u become not interested.

therefore viking change the casing for u > technically u should be interested back, no?

clearly u just wanted a full refund no matter the discussion. for wat reason u so adamant for a full refund, no one knows.
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QUOTE(zyrl @ Jul 31 2007, 08:39 PM)
as you said here.

u saw the scratch > u become not interested.

therefore viking change the casing for u > technically u should be interested back, no?

clearly u just wanted a full refund no matter the discussion. for wat reason u so adamant for a full refund, no one knows.
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Which means viking has to change the casing and cover any costs involved.
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post Jul 31 2007, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(zyrl @ Jul 31 2007, 08:39 PM)
as you said here.

u saw the scratch > u become not interested.

therefore viking change the casing for u > technically u should be interested back, no?

clearly u just wanted a full refund no matter the discussion. for wat reason u so adamant for a full refund, no one knows.
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yes, i saw the scratch > i become not interested > coz i been cheated
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post Jul 31 2007, 08:49 PM

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well, i think full refund doesnt cover whether u still interested on the item or not
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post Jul 31 2007, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(zyrl @ Jul 31 2007, 08:49 PM)
well, i think full refund doesnt cover whether u still interested on the item or not
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ok, thanks for the good comment rclxms.gif tongue.gif
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post Jul 31 2007, 09:13 PM

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hmm... try to read what i say guys..

buyer request refund is not possible as the seller rejected and there's no faulty found but just the crack/scratches is not shown to the buyer at the first place so the buyer feels he's got cheated. If i'm the buyer i feel so too because seller seems like hiding.

seller can accuse buyer did the crack/scratches himself for some reason to get refund, but IF SELLER did take photo and show to the buyer, what can the buyer got in his hand to ask for refund? partly also seller mistake.

Solution from both side..
Buyer = he send back the PDA back to SELLER and get FULL REFUND <--rejected by seller
Seller = send the PDA to Asus services centre to change casing <-- so far this is acceptable IF seller pay the postage and repair cost

i know it wont be fair for seller, but please think of the buyer,
->> If there's really a crack/scratches at first, seller inform buyer, buyer wont even buy it, this all wont happen. Buyer asking for the crack/scratches part but seller dint take the photo. Dont talk about what you normal do like taking different angle photos. BUYER asking for the CRACK/SCRATCHES PART ok.

->> If the crack/scratches is done by the buyer, then its also seller mistake for not taking the photos at first. Hard to say whose right whose wrong as both can say they got witnesses.
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QUOTE(zyrl @ Jul 31 2007, 08:49 PM)
well, i think full refund doesnt cover whether u still interested on the item or not
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if u were the one who get this kind of item...wat is ur feeling?stop saying that the TS dun wan to share 50/50...he pay that amount of money n get this kind of item.. rclxub.gif
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post Jul 31 2007, 09:36 PM

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BTW, in my opinion asking for a full refund is quite illogical. Assuming you buy a PDA from shop & the shop fella knows the PDA got problem but still sells to you (ASSUMING ONLY!!!). You bought the PDA already but once you go back & try, there's some problem. Will the seller refund back your money because you had problem with the PDA? NO! Most probably he will ask you to leave the PDA for repair & come after 2-3 days. (& less probably he will ignore you or bash you up or say the company that gives warranty closed down, not anything else like refunding)

I understand that you felt cheated coz of this but nothing is perfect my friend. Yes, Im putting myself in your shoes & trying to think rationally rather than asking for full refund which will not benefit both side. To have a win-win situation between you & seller, you may replace the casing. Maybe you can contribute lower, e.g 30-70, 20-80 etc.

Again, asking for full refund will not help you. It's only going to trouble yourself as you aren't gaining anything other than a dispute tag.

Next time please always do COD as it can give you more satisfaction. Online transaction is not recommended if you want to be safe with your money & things you receive.

Added on July 31, 2007, 9:37 pmSorry if my post can cause any misunderstanding or dissatisfaction

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post Jul 31 2007, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(ad_rv4 @ Jul 31 2007, 07:41 PM)
thanks for all the comment, did you all know and realize, he has misleading me to buy his PDA by giving incorrect informations about the conditions,
About the pictures, read and understand this this again and again

QUOTE(ad_rv4 @ Jul 31 2007, 07:41 PM)
if he show the pictures earlier or inform me bout the scratch for sure i dun buy that unit, ok i juz emphasis on the top part where he deny it,
If you have requested me to send you more photos specifically on the scratches I would have sent it to you. Now don't blame what had happened. Just move on to the solution will you?

QUOTE(ad_rv4 @ Jul 31 2007, 07:41 PM)
how bout the bottom part and the 'hold' button that fade away??? is this not include in his '95% like new condition'???? i dont accept ur solution bro since u seller misleading buyer like me with ur pictures and words, RM1250 is not a worth buy and oso i need to share with u the cost of changing casing, haha, nice try..
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If you are blaming the hold button on the left which is a bit faded, I've already showed it in my clearly picture. I don't see why i should be blamed. It's like you accepted it earlier on and now you start to blame the "Hold button"

Please, before you accuse me of misleading you, could you show me the proof?

QUOTE(ad_rv4 @ Jul 31 2007, 08:09 PM)
u refund my money, take back ur PDA and change to new casing, sell it at higher price also can wat???u got 120% profit and i got 0%.. its isn't fair but i can accept tongue.gif
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QUOTE(ad_rv4 @ Jul 31 2007, 08:43 PM)
yes, i saw the scratch > i become not interested > coz i been cheated
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If it's that easy, why not
- you saw the scratch > you became not interested and simply accuse me > I accept your claim and change the housing for you instead of pointing fingers > you accept it peacefully.

You are making yourself sounded as if you have lost interest in that phone and wanted back your cash so badly probably you got bored of it and wanted to buy other stuff or found better deal elsewhere. If you are genuine in solving this matter I don't see why you would reject my offer which is change the Top part for you and me bearing 100% of the cost, this already benefit you. Imagine, buy a used phone, and suddenly got extra damage, blame and accuse the seller blindly, seller generously just replace the casing for you FOC when you yourself could be suspected for the damage.

QUOTE(ingjoo @ Jul 31 2007, 09:13 PM)
If the crack/scratches is done by the buyer, then its also seller mistake for not taking the photos at first.
Obviously this statement doesn't sounds right at all. You are just thinking of the buyer's side. Not as a neutral side. I would say, just leave this thread as you are not contributing anything to the resolution but inviting flames. Thanks

This post has been edited by vikingw2k: Jul 31 2007, 09:47 PM
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post Jul 31 2007, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(zyrl @ Jul 31 2007, 08:39 PM)
as you said here.

u saw the scratch > u become not interested.

therefore viking change the casing for u > technically u should be interested back, no?

clearly u just wanted a full refund no matter the discussion. for wat reason u so adamant for a full refund, no one knows.
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I think the bold sentence should NOT be overlooked.

What is the problem with the buyer? AFAIK, he has been complaining about the CASING, nothing to do with the functionality of the phone.

Now that the seller agrees to pay 100% for the replacement of the scratched/damaged part and 50% of a new casing. Basically, it should has solved the CASING problem. Yet, the buyer doesn't agree on it.

Although I am not a seller, I think the seller is offering the best option he can.

This post has been edited by kimhoong: Jul 31 2007, 09:43 PM
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post Jul 31 2007, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(Notoriez @ Jul 31 2007, 08:08 PM)
Dude,

I'll guess that you never seen or met Viking2w personally shakehead.gif

Don't JUDGE a BOOK by it's COVER..can you see his successful trading lists?? How much?? And only this time maybe he made a mistake..don't ever CALL people a CHEATER unless he's proven GUILTY!..

I've met him and talk to him and he seems to be a very nice seller...how can you expect to get a 2nd HP without any WEAR and TEAR! Now he's willing to share the cost of replacing the HP casing with the buyer..where else you can get a better deal than that?? Im asking you now..

Next time if in doubt of the products quality that you bought online then do COD! If can't do COD then don't do any online DEAL @ all shakehead.gif

So if i were the buyer, i would like to take up Viking's offer and SHUT THE HELL UP!
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hello dude, i m not blamming people just like that, it is after some observation. I really believe that, the buyer has all the rights to ask for full refund if he founds that the item that he received is not match with the item posted in the sale. In our case, the hard sctrach was not highlighted even the seller has asked wht is the 5% scratch. THIS IS MY ONLY CONCERN. Frankly telling , i have no idea who is this VIKING and i don't have any personal problem with him to flame this thread. JUST NOT SATISFIED WHEN SAW THE CASE MISLEADING FROM THE TRUTH.
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post Jul 31 2007, 09:48 PM

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well the only i could say is viking's sale thread is very deceiving since there's no defect visible unless the chrome button (that made it 95% NEW eh?).. so in laymen terms is CHEATING.. what say u?

me also could have been deceived by the pics as the pda looks 'very new'.. do u all expect a buyer would do photoshop to detect any defects?

as for the full refund requested by TS, honestly i would do the same as TS (asking for full refund) since i felt like being cheated.. and i dont want to keep items i bought resulting from cheated deals.. the pda has been dropped and the housing cracked and scratched badly whereas it hasn't been mentioned by seller eventhough i already asked about it.. the pda could fail anytime.. and yes for sure i dont want a dropped, badly scratched and cracked pda since i paid ONLY for 95% NEW pda.. so i want full refund..

i guess TS felt the same thing as i described.. isnt it TS? personally, based on ethics and responsibility, full refund should have been made.. but since the seller is a TE.. there's not much i can say.. this is his 'home'.. he's someone and i'm no one..

good luck to u TS..

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QUOTE(selvalives @ Jul 31 2007, 09:46 PM)
bla bla bla .....


You, read this again and again.

p/s: I'm just tired of repeating the issue on the scratched part again. Cant you guys spend more time to read all the post, understand them before making any comments here?
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QUOTE(wandzul @ Jul 31 2007, 09:48 PM)
the pda has been dropped and the housing cracked and scratched badly whereas it has been mentioned by seller eventhough i already asked about it.. the pda could fail anytime.. 
No, You are wrong. The phone was slightly scratched on the top during that drop. That drop is not the cause for the bad damage in his picture. Please get your facts right.

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if u can't refund me, here i would like to request to ADMIN, to put out ur tag as 'ELITE MEMBER' and 'TRADE ENFORCER' because of misleading buyer with your pictures and words..
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QUOTE(ad_rv4 @ Jul 31 2007, 10:05 PM)
if u can't refund me, here i would like to request to ADMIN, to put out ur tag as  'ELITE MEMBER' and 'TRADE ENFORCER' because of misleading buyer with your pictures and words..
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Obviously you sounded more like you are trying hard towards bringing my tag down rather then solving this dispute in an adult manner.
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QUOTE(vikingw2k @ Jul 31 2007, 10:10 PM)
Obviously you sounded more like you are trying hard towards bringing my tag down rather then solving this dispute in an adult manner.
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i've done this for the sake of the forum, to make a better place to trades and also this is the 'lesson' for you for not to be a cheater@mislead buyer, dont forget it till ya die..
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QUOTE(ad_rv4 @ Jul 31 2007, 10:05 PM)
if u can't refund me, here i would like to request to ADMIN, to put out ur tag as  'ELITE MEMBER' and 'TRADE ENFORCER' because of misleading buyer with your pictures and words..
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Ow, that's threatening dude. People are watching your "true colour".
Either change the casing as it's the only way which can satisfy both.
If you wana refund, then so sorry my friend. It sounds 'illogical' in real world.



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