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SUSEBBattlefield
post Apr 20 2020, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Solar Calendar @ Apr 19 2020, 12:55 AM)
I know HK follow Chinese script. Well... obviously. Their Cantonese words have direct a counterpart in Mandarin, like 你, is 'ni' in Mandarin and 'nei' in Cantonese. But our Cantonese, we say lei. Why are we so different?

Another example:


Mandarin: De
HK: Dik
Local: Gei


Mandarin: Dui
HK: Deoi
Local: Ngam

Apparently I am wrong as pointed out by a ktard. These words have a direct counterpart in Mandarin, see answer 5.

的 is Dik
嘅 is Ge (correct)

对Is Duii
啱 is ngam (correct)

/K answers as simplied below:

1. Influenced by other dialects

2. The words we use are slangs, which HK also use. But we don't know the formal words, which HK knows and use

3. These are 'Lazy' pronunciation, as the language evolved.

4. KL more different from Hongkie. But Ipoh/Sabah closer to HK

5. The 'slangs' are actually found in Mandarin words. It is just that they are rarely used in Mandarin but have more meaning in Canto.

6. Diu Lei Lo Mou
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because you bodo.
just because same meaning doesnt mean same word/characterpronounciation.

like Him/Her
mandarin : 他 Ta
Cantonese: 他 Ta keoi5 佢

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post Apr 20 2020, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Matchy @ Apr 19 2020, 10:47 PM)
Normally kL said kopi bing... or another is chat suet vs suet cha.
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QUOTE(Solar Calendar @ Apr 19 2020, 10:13 PM)
I always say kopi suet. Is this KL? I m from KL.
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post Apr 20 2020, 09:54 AM

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In China every 10-20km, the accent/slang will vary. Village to village, town to town, city to city.......

If u watch old HK movie & compare it with current HK movie, the accent/slang also vary.


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post Apr 20 2020, 10:08 AM

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post Apr 20 2020, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(sunami @ Apr 20 2020, 09:32 AM)
wawasan 2020..and still got noob dunno how to attache yewtube...kek
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Meis
post Apr 20 2020, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(ymc2303 @ Apr 20 2020, 12:16 AM)
because your/hk cantonese is not pure. go guangzhou and listen different type of cantonese.
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Some of them speak sub-Cantonese. The further you are away from Guangzhou, the capital of Guangdong, the higher chance they speak sub-Cantonese (non-standard).

Do ppl understand what is Standard Cantonese?

http://phonemica.net/

http://phonemica.net/entry?mid=543746312bd...782aad0&story=0

This post has been edited by Meis: May 21 2022, 05:07 PM
grumpydrive
post Apr 20 2020, 12:26 PM

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Watched wandering earth recently.. Okay story but that mandarin accent really is a turn off. Like all buat buat wan. As if cute.

Eh silap language

This post has been edited by grumpydrive: Apr 20 2020, 12:27 PM
spacelion
post Apr 20 2020, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Solar Calendar @ Apr 19 2020, 12:55 AM)
I know HK follow Chinese script. Well... obviously. Their Cantonese words have direct a counterpart in Mandarin, like 你, is 'ni' in Mandarin and 'nei' in Cantonese. But our Cantonese, we say lei. Why are we so different?

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Our cantonese more pure

theirs already influenced by China
Meis
post Apr 20 2020, 12:32 PM

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^ both of u are nubs

IT IS CALLED LAZY TONE:

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4945720?author=Meis

Many decades ago, the elders in HK used "nei". The younger gen use "lei" bcoz of LAZY TONE aka tongue failed.
How do I know? The younger gen of HK asked and did research on it, the elders in HK. I watched a docu of it.

Using "lei" means you are a nub.

This post has been edited by Meis: Apr 20 2020, 12:37 PM
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post Apr 20 2020, 12:40 PM

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from GD, PRC; based in HK



https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPNn...svM9Dt36zaOVtee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w96UbMnbzKY...baLlPFZT0hY_hV4
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post Apr 22 2020, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Lampazhi @ Apr 19 2020, 11:24 PM)
baconateer this also Paul dupe in case u donno lol
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 19 2020, 11:26 PM)
if true..gotta salute tht sohai persistence...lol
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QUOTE(Lampazhi @ Apr 19 2020, 11:28 PM)
U will mindfuck if u know how many active dupes he have now..KEK
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QUOTE(Solar Calendar @ Apr 20 2020, 12:13 AM)
CB what Paul dupe. Solar is solar, no dupe. My old one got bora, but not paul
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magahai, every single account created in 2020 == paul dupe ?

what kind of fucktard are you ?
Meis
post Apr 25 2020, 09:32 PM

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We know the TV had no swearing due to self-censorship. The best way to learn is from casual conversations. Live streaming on twitch, live streaming and Youtube videos from HK gamers and videos about HK politics are the best.

Examples:

Gaming
https://www.twitch.tv/ankgaminghk
https://www.twitch.tv/mochi125

Anti-Beijing, pro-opposition, dis-info, fake news, fear mongering, right wing. I do not recommend anyone to learn 'truth' from this places but to learn Canto is OK.
https://www.youtube.com/user/D100HK
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSJ7F-9d351iCvla2IzAQoQ/

Pro-Beijing, debunking the yellow or black ribbons.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPNn...mIkRyB12Lt52aiH
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvlBe-TQfjLFINSSYQt9Tjg
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFfLWSnUCblI4Lpsph7H1lA
https://www.youtube.com/user/albertip/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkFRfv77kNA


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post Oct 6 2020, 04:27 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL76E49D4265A87F58







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post Nov 18 2020, 01:34 AM

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post Dec 2 2020, 11:54 AM

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From their accent, you can tell where they are from.

https://weibo.com/yuezhiyier

https://space.bilibili.com/95515699/video

https://www.youtube.com/c/%E7%B2%A4%E7%9F%A...E5%9B%A2/videos

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL76E49D4265A87F58

She looks like Niki Chow lol

https://weibo.com/u/1823376742



backup
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1o541137zG





backup
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1cz4y1y72H

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post Dec 3 2020, 02:54 PM

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post Dec 3 2020, 02:56 PM

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You know colloquial Cantonese in writen form is very different from mandarin right?
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post Dec 3 2020, 02:57 PM

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^ Yes.
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post Dec 3 2020, 02:59 PM

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Slow eating, slow cooking culture/method. Restaurant runs by Taiwanese in GD.



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post Dec 3 2020, 03:01 PM

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at the end of the day Malaysia Canto more pure because it is stuck in the time when we first got our migrants over

HK canto already changed quite a bit due to PRC influence

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