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post Apr 19 2020, 12:55 AM, updated 5y ago

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I know HK follow Chinese script. Well... obviously. Their Cantonese words have direct a counterpart in Mandarin, like 你, is 'ni' in Mandarin and 'nei' in Cantonese. But our Cantonese, we say lei. Why are we so different?

Another example:


Mandarin: De
HK: Dik
Local: Gei


Mandarin: Dui
HK: Deoi
Local: Ngam


UPDATE:

Apparently I am wrong as pointed out by a ktard. These words have a direct counterpart in Mandarin, see answer 5.


的 is Dik
嘅 is Ge (correct)

对Is Duii
啱 is ngam (correct)


/K answers as simplied below:

1. Influenced by other dialects

2. The words we use are slangs, which HK also use. But we don't know the formal words, which HK knows and use

3. These are 'Lazy' pronunciation, as the language evolved.

4. KL more different from Hongkie. But Ipoh/Sabah closer to HK

5. The 'slangs' are actually found in Mandarin words. It is just that they are rarely used in Mandarin but have more meaning in Canto.



Additional info on corrupted Malaysian Cantonese:

http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/show...se-is-corrupted]http://www.usj.com.my/bulletin/upload/show...se-is-corrupted

https://chineselanguage.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=654

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post Apr 19 2020, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(Solar Calendar @ Apr 19 2020, 12:55 AM)
I know HK follow Chinese script. Well... obviously. Their Cantonese words have direct a counterpart in Mandarin, like 你, is 'ni' in Mandarin and 'nei' in Cantonese. But our Cantonese, we say lei. Why are we so different?

Another example:


Mandarin: De
HK: Dik
Local: Gei


Mandarin: Dui
HK: Deoi
Local: Ngam
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They also say like us la.

They also say Ngam...
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post Apr 19 2020, 12:59 AM

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Because contonese also ada banyak
Malaysian all forget their roots learn Mandarin jer
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post Apr 19 2020, 01:00 AM

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But ham7 still sounds the same, no?
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post Apr 19 2020, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(Solar Calendar @ Apr 19 2020, 12:55 AM)
I know HK follow Chinese script. Well... obviously. Their Cantonese words have direct a counterpart in Mandarin, like 你, is 'ni' in Mandarin and 'nei' in Cantonese. But our Cantonese, we say lei. Why are we so different?

Another example:


Mandarin: De
HK: Dik
Local: Gei


Mandarin: Dui
HK: Deoi
Local: Ngam
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Both of your examples geh & ngam are also used in hk la... that's their slang. Dik & dui are formal only. Lei is also how hk ppl pronounce you both lei & nei can be used.

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post Apr 19 2020, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(cucumber @ Apr 19 2020, 01:00 AM)
Both of your examples geh & ngam are also used in hk la... that's their slang. Dik & dui are formal only.
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But why no such thing in Mandarin?
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post Apr 19 2020, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(Solar Calendar @ Apr 19 2020, 01:01 AM)
But why no such thing in Mandarin?
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Cantonese has their own slang. That's why it's more fun & flamboyant compared to mandarin.
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post Apr 19 2020, 01:02 AM

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Dllm still dllm ... how different ?

Anyway ... ours are localized dy ... listen to some hcmc Cantonese and you will know.

Localized aka rojak
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post Apr 19 2020, 01:02 AM

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our canto influenced by malay, hokkien, hakka etc
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QUOTE(Solar Calendar @ Apr 19 2020, 12:55 AM)
I know HK follow Chinese script. Well... obviously. Their Cantonese words have direct a counterpart in Mandarin, like 你, is 'ni' in Mandarin and 'nei' in Cantonese. But our Cantonese, we say lei. Why are we so different?

Another example:


Mandarin: De
HK: Dik
Local: Gei


Mandarin: Dui
HK: Deoi
Local: Ngam
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You are wrong. Nei / lei is used widely in HK depending on context.



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post Apr 19 2020, 01:04 AM

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Lot ppl saying my canto is very hongkie lulz
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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Apr 19 2020, 01:04 AM)
Lot ppl saying my canto is very hongkie lulz
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You watch alot of tvb?
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QUOTE(Immunityx7 @ Apr 19 2020, 01:04 AM)
Lot ppl saying my canto is very hongkie lulz
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You been.to Hong Kong? Do they know you are not local?
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post Apr 19 2020, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(guest54321 @ Apr 19 2020, 01:04 AM)
You are wrong. Nei / lei is used widely in HK depending on context.


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Here fixed it
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post Apr 19 2020, 01:07 AM

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Why surprise?

Even bahasa melayu also got many different dialect
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post Apr 19 2020, 01:08 AM

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Not our cantonese closer to Guangzhou's?
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post Apr 19 2020, 01:11 AM

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my hongkie colleagues understand me just fine
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QUOTE(Solar Calendar @ Apr 19 2020, 12:55 AM)


Mandarin: De
HK: Dik
Local: Gei
The dick gay.

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