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post Apr 2 2020, 11:17 AM, updated 5y ago

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D'Erica (Phase 4: Service Apartment)
Developer: Exsim
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1,000 sf (3+1R2B), 1,200 sf (4R2B), 1,500 sf (4+1R3B)


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RECAP Previous Phases:
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D'Cosmos (Phase 3: Service Apartment)
- 2.03 acres
- 1,100 sf (4R2B)
- 39-storeys: 402 units

D'Vervain (Phase 2: Service Apartment)
- 2.78 acres
- Tower A 44-storeys: 604 units
- Tower B 45-storeys: 462 units
- 550 sf (2R1B), 900 sf (3R2B), 1,100 sf (4R2B)
Total: 1,066 units

D'Quince (Phase 1: Service Apartment)
- 3.487 acres
- Tower A 43-storeys: 808 units
- Tower B 42-storeys: 502 units
- 550 sf (2R1B), 900 sf (3R2B), 1,100 sf (4R2B)
Total: 1,310 units

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post Apr 4 2020, 01:40 PM

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post Apr 5 2020, 12:32 PM

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got more details like facilities, psf after rebate?
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post Apr 6 2020, 12:18 AM

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Just opened 3 phases and 2776 units from just 8.3 acres land. Now rushing for Phase 4 and the number of units are counting to more than 3000 units. Well done Exsim!

Exsim now sizes, layout and even design for all new projects also quite similar with Nidoz. 1100-1200 sq feet all 4 bedrooms and surely some units with balcony or non. The kitchen area and bedrooms are all quite small.



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post Apr 6 2020, 12:56 AM

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Standard size should be same as D'Cosmos
How many units?
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post Apr 6 2020, 01:28 AM

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This is phase 4 and it's further from all the other phase. I'm selling this project. Anyone interested can Click HERE to WhatsApp for sales package & showroom visit (by appointment only due to crowd control)

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post Apr 6 2020, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(DavidKool @ Apr 6 2020, 12:18 AM)
Just opened 3 phases and 2776 units from just 8.3 acres land. Now rushing for Phase 4 and the number of units are counting to more than 3000 units. Well done Exsim!

Exsim now sizes, layout and even design for all new projects also quite similar with Nidoz. 1100-1200 sq feet all 4 bedrooms and surely some units with balcony or non. The kitchen area and bedrooms are all quite small.
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number of units for phase 4 is 1,094 units rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Apr 7 2020, 02:14 AM

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QUOTE(francis226 @ Apr 6 2020, 09:28 AM)
number of units for phase 4 is 1,094 units  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Oh, so 4 phases will accumulate just 3,870 units, still less than Parklane OUG.

Means Phase 5 will be rushing out soon after Phase 4 have 50% buyers. Ok lah, if really buy for own stay, actually RM 550+ psf (unsure for newer Phase 4 price) is very manageable and buy-able, although lower specs than other Exsim projects, still decent and the masterplan seems boleh tahan as long as the buyers can tahan.


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post Apr 8 2020, 01:39 PM

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Hi bro. PM me
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QUOTE(zerothz @ Apr 5 2020, 12:32 PM)
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This time is comes with partial furnished, PM me for detail
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post May 4 2020, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Apr 6 2020, 01:28 AM)
This is phase 4 and it's further from all the other phase. I'm selling this project. Can PM me for more info
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Can you point where is this phase 4 at the masterplan?
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post May 4 2020, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(gks @ May 4 2020, 06:48 PM)
Can you point where is this phase 4 at the masterplan?
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it's at the opposite of empire city. Anyone interested can Click HERE to WhatsApp for sales package & showroom visit (by appointment only due to crowd control)

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post May 10 2020, 04:42 PM

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so high density on a piece of land, any views or discussion on this? what it will became in future, despite the succeed of the masterplan. Is this good to buy? traffic? ROI? own stay? investment?
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post May 10 2020, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(aboden95 @ May 10 2020, 04:42 PM)
so high density on a piece of land, any views or discussion on this? what it will became in future, despite the succeed of the masterplan. Is this good to buy? traffic? ROI? own stay? investment?
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how do u define by high density?
the land itself so big, more than 40 acres of land there
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post May 11 2020, 12:30 AM

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Truly surpirsed at the speed they are launching. What is the take up rate of phase 1 to 3?
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post May 12 2020, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(zcalex @ May 10 2020, 07:58 PM)
how do u define by high density?
the land itself so big, more than 40 acres of land there
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if compare to OUG parklane, they are high density...like 30acres with 4k+ units... for this new plan, im sure it will be more than 4k units and with other commercial building as well.
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Exsim has become a property factory, ride on the fame while they can

Investors please look at their recent VP and up coming VP project, they will realize that its no longer the old Exsim
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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 12 2020, 02:45 PM)
Exsim has become a property factory, ride on the fame while they can

Investors please look at their recent VP and up coming VP project, they will realize that its no longer the old Exsim
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can you elaborate more? How they differ from the past
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post May 12 2020, 02:46 PM

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kinda super bad luck for exsim.
just after the acquisition or m&a, pandemic happened.

with demand for retail space not expected to rise anytime in near future, they would be caught holding a huge masterplan banking on one of the largest mall in the world.

holding cost itself is going to be huge and therefore only option now i guess would be try to sell as much development possible.

good luck to them.
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QUOTE(aboden95 @ May 12 2020, 02:46 PM)
can you elaborate more? How they differ from the past
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post May 29 2020, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 12 2020, 02:54 PM)
Quality
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Mind to give some examples on what quality issue happened in Exsim recently VP projects?
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QUOTE(chun.k @ May 29 2020, 08:56 PM)
Mind to give some examples on what quality issue happened in Exsim recently VP projects?
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Z series is premium product from exsim and it is dissapointing, dont even think of D series which is not so premium, what kind of product will they deliver?
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QUOTE(chun.k @ May 29 2020, 08:56 PM)
Mind to give some examples on what quality issue happened in Exsim recently VP projects?
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Cannot be disclosed to public yet, but get away from it to avoid major dissapointment
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post May 30 2020, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ May 30 2020, 10:44 AM)
Z series is premium product from exsim and it is dissapointing, dont even think of D series which is not so premium, what kind of product will they deliver?
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Not an agent or die hard exsim fan. But where's your proof ya? Better not to tarnish a company image without significant proofs to back you up. hmm.gif
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Any shuttle bus to mrt? and is it confirmed or proposed?

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QUOTE(jeffboon97 @ May 30 2020, 11:23 PM)
Not an agent or die hard exsim fan. But where's your proof ya? Better not to tarnish a company image without significant proofs to back you up.  hmm.gif
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You think I am so free to Tarnish? I am stating fact, proceed to buy. Its not my money anyway

I own Exsim product FYI, do you?
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jun 1 2020, 10:46 AM)
You think I am so free to Tarnish? I am stating fact, proceed to buy. Its not my money anyway

I own Exsim product FYI, do you?
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hahah no need to be so defensive, just wanna know what makes you have such negative opinion on Exsim only. Chill chica
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QUOTE(jeffboon97 @ Jun 1 2020, 11:11 AM)
hahah no need to be so defensive, just wanna know what makes you have such negative opinion on Exsim only. Chill chica
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I think you are a fresh grad and greenhorn in Property Market.

There is no good Property Developers forever, look at product of UOA, MahSing, Exsim, they are only good in few projects. Subsequently are just like a factory in mass production.

Check out Exsim's latest D Series project and you know how dense is it
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jun 1 2020, 11:24 AM)
I think you are a fresh grad and greenhorn in Property Market.

There is no good Property Developers forever, look at product of UOA, MahSing, Exsim, they are only good in few projects. Subsequently are just like a factory in mass production.

Check out Exsim's latest D Series project and you know how dense is it
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I agree with jeff, can you please share your experience since you are exsim’s product owner? What’s the quality issue u r facing?

But I do agree with you no developers in Malaysia will be good forever, it’s very true.

Yes the new D series is very high dense, but what’s the total landsize vs unit? I havent really look into it so I can’t judge now... but what I can tell right beside D’Vervain, there are few blocks of low cost apartments, and many security personnel(foreigners) live inside
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I agree with jeff, can you please share your experience since you are exsim’s product owner? What’s the quality issue u r facing?

But I do agree with you no developers in Malaysia will be good forever, it’s very true.

Yes the new D series is very high dense, but what’s the total landsize vs unit? I havent really look into it so I can’t judge now... but what I can tell right beside D’Vervain, there are few blocks of low cost apartments, and many security personnel(foreigners) live inside
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Does anyone know whether the bridge connecting the flora damansara side of the road to empire city will be built?

If going to built, when?
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post Jun 9 2020, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(flight @ Jun 9 2020, 06:09 PM)
Before the land was sold to exsim mammoth wanted to build a bridge to connect the 2 developments. What was formerly supposed to be empire city 2.

Seems like there is no more news on that. A bridge would make a lot of sense though. The way its going i think maybe central damansara perdana will have more than 10k residential units.
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There's a sky bridge connecting empire city and central park damansara. The pillar is already set up on empire city side. Anyone interested can Click HERE to WhatsApp for sales package & showroom visit (by appointment only due to crowd control)

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Before the land was sold to exsim mammoth wanted to build a bridge to connect the 2 developments. What was formerly supposed to be empire city 2.

Seems like there is no more news on that. A bridge would make a lot of sense though. The way its going i think maybe central damansara perdana will have more than 10k residential units.
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Don’t think this is exsim style but what also can happen if cash flow stuck. What I heard was commercial and one more Z series. Hopefully don’t add more liao
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Hi guys, I was checking out D'Cosmos before finding out that it will be located next to Flora (did a quick tour of the area, therefore no go). D'Erica seems to be located further from Flora & EXSIM's consolidated other D series development. Any thoughts? Purchase if any will be for own stay, so I expect to be stuck there for some time ha ha
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QUOTE(hdzws @ Jun 12 2020, 11:40 PM)
Hi guys, I was checking out D'Cosmos before finding out that it will be located next to Flora (did a quick tour of the area, therefore no go). D'Erica seems to be located further from Flora & EXSIM's consolidated other D series development. Any thoughts? Purchase if any will be for own stay, so I expect to be stuck there for some time ha ha
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Yes my friends it’s nearest among all d series... it’s low cost apartments, if u mind better opt for the other, Nevertheless should be quite a good place to stay once they fully developed it but might take years...

To me this place ok la, at Damansara area hard to get cheap psf and Damansara Property usually can grow
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QUOTE(chicaman @ Jun 1 2020, 11:24 AM)
I think you are a fresh grad and greenhorn in Property Market.

There is no good Property Developers forever, look at product of UOA, MahSing, Exsim, they are only good in few projects. Subsequently are just like a factory in mass production.

Check out Exsim's latest D Series project and you know how dense is it
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Even reputable developer cannot be trust, so how to filter and buy property at this generation ? hahaha
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Actually I have more concern on their master plan.

How many units of residential they going to build for this land again? Now is Phase 4 which already comes to 3.8k units.
FYI, the land total itself is 61 acres.... been told by SA, it gonna to have mall, office, hotel, school, commercial shoplot......
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Even reputable developer cannot be trust, so how to filter and buy property at this generation ? hahaha
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Buy subsale, finished product or lelong

Subsale could even be cheaper than launching price, minus installment during construction, finished product....
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Buy subsale, finished product or lelong

Subsale could even be cheaper than launching price, minus installment during construction, finished product....
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where can get subsale cheaper than launching price nearby? any recommendation?
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QUOTE(zcalex @ May 10 2020, 07:58 PM)
how do u define by high density?
the land itself so big, more than 40 acres of land there
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but only 2 exit. one from metropolitan junction, one from the Empire there?
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Just booked a unit there. Anyone interested to grab a unit there can pm me. We can share referrals fee. You can have higher share😉
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what is the price psf?
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what is the price psf?
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Any D'erica buyer interest to join buyer group?
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65 Acres land. Used 9 acres for almost 4000 units already. Pergh, can't imagine.
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65 Acres land. Used 9 acres for almost 4000 units already. Pergh, can't imagine.
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that is the main con here i guess.
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65 Acres land. Used 9 acres for almost 4000 units already. Pergh, can't imagine.
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But i think there are alot unit is studio, smaller size...i dono how many exact unit is the studio...maybe 1k+? or 2k?
1k unit studio higher density or 500 unit of 3 room higher density?
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For buyers / potential buyers, I'd recommend you guys to drive around that area during peak hours. Morning not so much of an issue but it's the evenings that can be a hassle. Especially at the T junction along MSQ & Neo. Can also try coming down from Penchala link / coming up from LDP too.
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QUOTE(digitalz @ Jul 20 2020, 03:15 PM)
For buyers / potential buyers, I'd recommend you guys to drive around that area during peak hours. Morning not so much of an issue but it's the evenings that can be a hassle. Especially at the T junction along MSQ & Neo. Can also try coming down from Penchala link / coming up from LDP too.
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But after completion they wont use the same access anymore right?? there are new access i think, now that place if drive in will be tough, alot construction going on there.
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QUOTE(aboden95 @ Jul 20 2020, 03:11 PM)
But i think there are alot unit is studio, smaller size...i dono how many exact unit is the studio...maybe 1k+? or 2k?
1k unit studio higher density or 500 unit of 3 room higher density?
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I exclude 1,000 studio units also high density. 3,000 3br units for only 9 acres used.

Plot Ratio is damm high!

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QUOTE(garyming9191 @ Jul 20 2020, 03:42 PM)
I exclude 1,000 studio units also high density. 3,000 3br units for only 9 acres used. 

Plot Ratio is damm high!

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hahaha true la, but the remaining acres is not fully resident also...some might be hotel or retail...so for whole 65 acres i think it is balance...but if exsim continue to launch more residential blocks...then good luck
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this one suitable if i want to rent it out in future?
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Why Everyone now is Exsim Exsim Exsim, what so special about this dev...
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Why Everyone now is Exsim Exsim Exsim, what so special about this dev...
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Low PSF due to super high density. They see low psf then chiong already. brows.gif brows.gif
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Low PSF due to super high density. They see low psf then chiong already.  brows.gif  brows.gif
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went to the sales gallery, no brochure no scale model but almost fully taken up 🤯
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QUOTE(atozunown @ Jul 31 2020, 06:44 PM)
went to the sales gallery, no brochure no scale model but almost fully taken up 🤯
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well it's only rm100 to reserve those nice unit. Anyone interested can Click HERE to WhatsApp for sales package & showroom visit (by appointment only due to crowd control)

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I wouldn't be too quick to hop on the boat. Of course, if you're sure you know what you're going for then good. But I have visited the Sales Gallery myself a few weeks ago and I almost got suckered up in all the 'ambassadors' placed around the gallery. Sports cars intentionally parked near the entrance, rich kids wearing clothes they could never afford on their own dollar and heaps of youngsters interested in their first 'glam' property at a great price tag.

There is never such a thing as a deal that is too good to be true that just turns up like that. It usually is. Exsim may be a good developer but don't forget that the whole Empire-Mammoth issue is a JV with EXSIM. Also, don't let the agents hard sell you and pressure you into this. They have slides and rental comparisons of nearby property and everything but I'm 110% sure even low yat forum is laced with agents ready to hype up the development to be better than it is.

Its going to be a super high density area, which is the only way the developed can afford 560psf. Every Tom, Dick and Harry developer/agent is going to tell you the apartment is low density. Assess for yourself!

Heard many of my colleagues jump on board and already purchased, just want to make sure young folks coming on here to look for advice don't get rigged advice from agents.
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I wouldn't be too quick to hop on the boat. Of course, if you're sure you know what you're going for then good. But I have visited the Sales Gallery myself a few weeks ago and I almost got suckered up in all the 'ambassadors' placed around the gallery. Sports cars intentionally parked near the entrance, rich kids wearing clothes they could never afford on their own dollar and heaps of youngsters interested in their first 'glam' property at a great price tag.

There is never such a thing as a deal that is too good to be true that just turns up like that. It usually is. Exsim may be a good developer but don't forget that the whole Empire-Mammoth issue is a JV with EXSIM. Also, don't let the agents hard sell you and pressure you into this. They have slides and rental comparisons of nearby property and everything but I'm 110% sure even low yat forum is laced with agents ready to hype up the development to be better than it is.

Its going to be a super high density area, which is the only way the developed can afford 560psf. Every Tom, Dick and Harry developer/agent is going to tell you the apartment is low density. Assess for yourself!

Heard many of my colleagues jump on board and already purchased, just want to make sure young folks coming on here to look for advice don't get rigged advice from agents.
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FYI, the development of residential and township is not under Empire-Mammoth. Only the Empire mall is under Empire Still.

Give and Take I could say.
Find an affordable house then need to expect the numbers of houses will be slightly more compared to others.
No such things as 100% perfect property, developer mean to earn money instead of doing charity.
Low Dense like 300 units but selling you 1k persqft ? would you still consider ?
Anybody said Ara Damansara is high dense ? Desa Park is high dense ? Bangsar is high dense ? The development is keep on going every year.
The land size is so huge compared to others development. So what is the real definition of high dense actually ?
IF only 1000 units for the land. later people complain the township is not going to be happen and running with more crowd ? Haha
Susah man.


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Is it worth for investment?
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All the best to the buyers and especially investors here. Expect this to be active in the auction page upon VP.

How many thousand units here again?
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Total around 3900 units for all 4 projects. Would appreciate some good input with backup infos rather than just some random comments. 😋
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I’m interested in this project for ownstay because it is the nearest to empire city mall and the only residential building of the whole masterplan for that area compared to the other 3 d series which are stuck together new flora. Any other opinions from people who have booked or eyeing this project?
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QUOTE(catherinessc @ Aug 23 2020, 02:32 AM)
Total around 3900 units for all 4 projects. Would appreciate some good input with backup infos rather than just some random comments. 😋
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What about the future phases? Heard got 10 more or something. They say could be commercial. If they are confident would have already launched some commercial phases. Why all 4000 units so far resi?

Launch la the opis n retail n edu or hospitals or any other component.
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Hearsay Exsim boss in cash flow problems due to over leveraging in new development. Whoever booooooked their condos have to be extra careful lorrrr🤑🤪
Hopefully some1 can show their financial report here because not a listed company.. So much worries

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QUOTE(ryan@chua @ Sep 12 2020, 08:55 PM)
Hearsay Exsim boss in cash flow problems due to over leveraging in new development. Whoever booooooked their condos have to be extra careful lorrrr🤑🤪
Hopefully some1 can show their financial report here because not a listed company.. So much worries
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Continue the legacy of empire city?
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QUOTE(jetzxp @ Sep 12 2020, 10:54 PM)
Continue the legacy of empire city?
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Very high possibility. Most of their new launch projects booked by exclusive agency I0I only. Market very bad. Boss
You can sense from so many agents so active in Lowyat recently. Fresh graduates also become agent, intelligence of agents increased but property quality remain stagnant. 😆

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QUOTE(ryan@chua @ Sep 12 2020, 08:55 PM)
Hearsay Exsim boss in cash flow problems due to over leveraging in new development. Whoever booooooked their condos have to be extra careful lorrrr🤑🤪
Hopefully some1 can show their financial report here because not a listed company.. So much worries
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https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...sukuk-issuances

RM3 billions in Islamic bonds in 2020

They still owe DanaJamin which is payable on end 2021 and 2022 which is about RM1 billions

Waiting to explode another Mammoth Group scandal unless someone from Sheraton is steady for the next 5 yrs to bail them out rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(ryan@chua @ Sep 12 2020, 06:55 AM)
Hearsay Exsim boss in cash flow problems due to over leveraging in new development. Whoever booooooked their condos have to be extra careful lorrrr🤑🤪
Hopefully some1 can show their financial report here because not a listed company.. So much worries
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Ouch. How many total new projects they have? The biggest one is this central park.

Any buyer here believe this EC mall can be completed? Hearsay most tenants pull out moons ago when the project keep delaying / abandoned.

I like one poster comment on how the agents will convince u that this project is low dense.
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Sep 13 2020, 10:09 AM)
Ouch. How many total new projects they have? The biggest one is this central park.

Any buyer here believe this EC mall can be completed? Hearsay most tenants pull out moons ago when the project keep delaying / abandoned.

I like one poster comment on how the agents will convince u that this project is low dense.
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9 ongoing projects? as per their website
https://exsim.com.my/our-developments/

Their exclusive agency 1 agent con 1 relative/fren to buy, can be fully SOLD 🤪🤑 their members exceeding Amway soon 😆

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Buy subsale, finished product or lelong

Subsale could even be cheaper than launching price, minus installment during construction, finished product....
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Not everyone has the money to buy a completed project especially younger couples
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Hi did anyone receive letter from the developer saying that we need to sign "pre SPA" within 30 days if not theyll cancel the booking. Pre SPA being SPA before APDL. Is that safe to sign? Can they actually do that?
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Hi did anyone receive letter from the developer saying that we need to sign "pre SPA" within 30 days if not theyll cancel the booking. Pre SPA being SPA before APDL. Is that safe to sign? Can they actually do that?
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Just my own point of view about D Series by EXSIM.

I have been looking for a property to buy with my fiance - getting married next month, and this was one of the places that I considered, as I am currently staying at Kota Damansara and I am very familiar with the area (originally from Damansara Utama, growing up, whole life around that area, and I still remember the times when Bandar Utama was an oil palm plantation and LDP was a 2 lane normal road).

Pros - Very affordable considering current market and property pricing. Very tempting, especially the 270k 2 bedroom LPHS house. If you are below the income limit, grab this. Layout seems decent for the other 3 bedders, and the 5 bedders are......huge. Seriously, at around 700-800k, if you have the money for it, get the biggest size. Though I've been told by the SA that it's all booked, but who knows.

Location, location, location. This is definitely the location to buy if you're looking for either own stay or investment. IKEA, The Curve, Empire, One Utama, MRT, LDP, etc, all within 10-15 min driving. U can even walk out to metropolitan/Empire.

EXSIM seems to be a reputable developer now - their previous condos seems to be good in design/landscape/etc. So again, at it's price point which starts from 270k to 700/800k for the biggest one, it's definitely affordable. Not cheap, but reasonable.

Now, for the cons.

It's EXSIM. EXSIM is relatively new. If you're looking at the 270k price point, then I'd say you're fine to go ahead and try, but when you reach the 700-800k price point, there are far better and more reputable developers to go for. Heck, even at 700-800k price point, I think I'd rather get Arcuz from EXSIM, Arcuz seems to be a more "premium" product from EXSIM. This feels like EXSIM's take on an "affordable/entry" condo. EXSIM hasn't been around long enough to develop a good track record (for me).

Going to around 700k, one could grab some sub-sale condos from Sunway (Cita Damansara in KD, for example, a decent unit is only 600k, whereby Cita Damansara is VERY WELL MAINTAINED, it looks brand new despite being around 20 years old). I know people say you shouldn't compare new vs subsale, but hey, both requires money.

Density. This will be extremely high density. Despite what people say, saying it's 4 different phase, etc, etc, I know the area well. Their piece of land to build that new township/huge project is not that big. It will be packed, considering most of the units would be 3 bedders & 5 bedders. 5 lifts per block serving around 500 units per block seems.....a lot to me.

Access - this will be an issue. Flora damansara is just next door. Literally. If you're buying D'Vervain, D'Quince, D'Cosmos....well, good luck to you. I have a rental unit in Flora damansara that I am currently renting out to others, and I can tell you the traffic from Flora coming down is really bad.

Oh, speaking of Flora, Flora if I were to compare the number of units per block vs number of lifts, would you believe me if I told you flora has a lower number of unit in each block, but with the same number of lift that D series has? Even then, it would take my tenant about half n hour waiting for the lift each way he's going in/out (my tenant stays at the 7th floor, mind you).

Empire - I personally believe that this is a very ambitious undertaking by EXSIM. Was told by the SA that EXSIM has to complete Empire Damansara + build new township for D series + Sky garden covering LDP. My family was previously burned by something not as ambitious as this, so we felt that.....the whole thing was a huge undertaking by EXSIM.

PRICE - Now, don't get me wrong, the price is definitely within the affordable/reasonable range for most people (not cheap), but within this price range (let's exclude the 270k unit) of 500-800k, you have TONS of other options.

Damansara Foresta/Seresta (if you don't mind the toll) is freehold development (with choice of new/subsales), with even better layout and environment compared to D series. MUCH less density, much better crowd, you will be transported to a different environment there.

Subsales - tons of well maintained subsale projects around in the deeper part of KD/Damansara/TTDI/etc, at 500-700k, you have the options to shop around (provided you can fork out the initial 10% DP + fees).

And let's be honest, there's basically 2 group of people/profile that will be looking at this project. Those that can afford the higher range (e.g 600, 700, 800k and above) and those who can afford the lower range of the prices (500k, 270k). To me, this is a good project if your max budget is within the 500k, but for those who are looking at around 600-800k, honestly, there's a lot better options.

Sunway Serene, 3 bedder, 1000+ SQF, after rebates is around 800k~ish? Better developer, nicer location (in my opinion), and hey, it's sunway. Haven't seen any Sunway condo failed in their maintenance before, and they've been around forever.

Just my personal opinion, as I have spent the better part of this month & last month looking at D Series, Arcuz, Foresta, Tropicana Gardens, Sunway Serene, Miyu, etc, etc for my own stay.

Probably going with Sunway Serene. Oh, did I mention Sunway Serene maintenance is 0.26 psf for first 2 years, whereas D series maintenance is 0.38 psf?

Look around, visit all those projects I said (mainly Serene), ask about the layouts, freebies, rebates, etc, and you'll know what to choose.

I chose Serene as Sunway's build quality is definitely a class above EXSIM. Sunway Serene comes in fully furnished & bare unit package, but even the bare unit gets air cond, heater (hidden tank heater, similar to Arcuz), plaster ceiling, etc. Might be more expensive, but seems to be worth it to me.
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Hi did anyone receive letter from the developer saying that we need to sign "pre SPA" within 30 days if not theyll cancel the booking. Pre SPA being SPA before APDL. Is that safe to sign? Can they actually do that?
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i was told that it had been sold out. now on waiting list.
Seems like people buying property like buying vege hahah
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i was told that it had been sold out. now on waiting list.
Seems like people buying property like buying vege hahah
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good and well articulated views on this.
i share the sentiment as yours.

however, given the 600-800k pricepoint and for own stay, i would definitely be on the lookout for subsales instead.

you didn't mention a few very tempting developments for consideration in that belt of area.
personally i would also consider in no particular order, casa indah 1 & 2, cova villa/suites, i-residen, sunway parkville, riana green, sunway sutera, opal dsara, highpark suites, glomac reflection, surian resi, trop avenue, casa trop, and a lot lot more.
all are up for comaprison and ultimately boils down to which suits the purchaser the most for their own stay.


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good and well articulated views on this.
i share the sentiment as yours.

however, given the 600-800k pricepoint and for own stay, i would definitely be on the lookout for subsales instead.

you didn't mention a few very tempting developments for consideration in that belt of area.
personally i would also consider in no particular order, casa indah 1 & 2, cova villa/suites, i-residen, sunway parkville, riana green, sunway sutera, opal dsara, highpark suites, glomac reflection, surian resi, trop avenue, casa trop, and a lot lot more.
all are up for comaprison and ultimately boils down to which suits the purchaser the most for their own stay.
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Very well agreed on the point that sub-sales at 600-800k, there are ample choices out there. I actually viewed a very nice place at Cita Damansara, fully furnished and very nicely renovated/done with a huge balcony (even big enough for a koi pond and a garden at the balcony) with cheaper price than the D series.

My main preference was new development as currently with the HOC and multiple rebates offered by developer, you’d get close to 0-entry cost (at most, maybe 10-20k entry cost) vs sub sales which would easily cost 80-100k (10%, lawyer fees, stamping, etc). So I didn’t really look around the sub-sale market except for a select few.

Didn’t feel like (and actually don’t have) spending that much of money in times like this, hahaha.

It’s really a buyer’s market now, provided you have the budget and the financial capabilities. Even at 300-400k, you can still get a decent subsale apartment unit around KD/Damanasara that is good for living (I would know, I’m currently staying at KD, a real low density area; about 100 units per block, only 4 blocks in total; apartment with a decent swimming pool).
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I went to Exsim's Sales Gallery about two weeks ago to check out what's the latest development on this project. Based on the excel spreadsheet, only a few good units left for this project.

I can't believe ppl dare to buy property during pandemic. Don't know what will happen 4 years from now. Whether there will be a boom in this so called township.
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I went to Exsim's Sales Gallery about two weeks ago to check out what's the latest development on this project. Based on the excel spreadsheet, only a few good units left for this project.

I can't believe ppl dare to buy property during pandemic. Don't know what will happen 4 years from now. Whether there will be a boom in this so called township.
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So high density.. If COVID problem not solved still livable? Big question mark
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So high density.. If COVID problem not solved still livable? Big question mark
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We will have global depression as bad as 1920s in this scenario. There’ll be much bigger problem than the township itself.

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Hi, brother & sister, I am the existing D’Vervain buyer. Anyone would like to buy EXSIM projects and share the referral fee you may contact me. Steady bom pi pi.
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Hi all, I booked derica. But still thinking whether make right decision. I not sure you guy aware title is commercial land hda. All utilize, assessment,quit rent,indah water will be 3x,4x higher. Except electricity convertable to residential. Is that is good to invest whereny surrounding have many residential title service apartment n condo? Any sister brother can advise?

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QUOTE(Erictan1981 @ Oct 25 2020, 07:17 PM)
Hi all, I booked derica. But still thinking whether make right decision. I not sure you guy aware title is commercial land hda. All utilize, assessment,quit rent,indah water will be 3x,4x higher. Except electricity convertable to residential. Is that is good to invest whereny surrounding have many residential title service apartment n condo? Any sister brother can advise?
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Very rare to see residential title new launch in good location nowadays.

Nearby derica, metropolitan square and reflection residence also commercial land.
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[quote=jetzxp,Oct 25 2020, 08:26 PM]
Very rare to see residential title new launch in good location nowadays.

Nearby derica, metropolitan square and reflection residence also commercial land.

Yes,almost 80% above are commercial land title. Besides electricity convertable. Any owner convertable other utilities charge , Accessment n quit rent to residential?

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Very rare to see residential title new launch in good location nowadays.

Nearby derica, metropolitan square and reflection residence also commercial land.
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Not sure you guy aware,there is land reserved for mosque. Will it affect property value in future?
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Not sure you guy aware,there is land reserved for mosque. Will it affect property value in future?
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Yes there will a mosque, land size for the mosque is quite big. So far never heard a property value will be affect by a mosque. But the prayer sound and traffic on friday are something you have to take into consideration if you are own staying there.
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QUOTE(jetzxp @ Oct 28 2020, 06:44 PM)
Yes there will a mosque, land size for the mosque is quite big. So far never heard a property value will be affect by a mosque. But the prayer sound and traffic on friday are something you have to take into consideration if you are own staying there.
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Is this the mosque located in front of D'Vervain? or there will be another mosque nearby D'Erica? confused.gif
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Is this the mosque located in front of D'Vervain? or there will be another mosque nearby D'Erica?  confused.gif
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There will be only one mosque if i am not wrong. Not sure located next to which project... confused so many D' launched at the same time rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(KawhiSoSerious @ Oct 30 2020, 05:41 PM)
Is this the mosque located in front of D'Vervain? or there will be another mosque nearby D'Erica?  confused.gif
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There will be only one mosque if i am not wrong. Not sure located next to which project... confused so many D' launched at the same time  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(yinmu @ Nov 4 2020, 09:29 AM)
If you pick high floors i don't think you will get significantly affected from loudspeaker, I don't think foreigners visiting the mosque has any impact on the property itself as there should be no links between the visitors of the mosque and the said property as the security of the property should be well guarded without question. I have lived next to a mosque before as a non-muslim and i have no complains. The blasting of 5 times call to prayer duration is very short and if you look at the positive side it is a beautiful and well designed architecture. smile.gif
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Don't get me wrong, there will be no issues with regards to security. Like I said before, if it was a lower priced property next to a mosque, naturally you'll have more muslim (more acceptable living near a mosque) foreigners (because lower priced properties are the only places they can afford to rent) as your neighbor or live near you.
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Interesting topography for Block A and B of D'Erica. Depending on the block (block A) and facing side of your unit, you'll probably be shielded from all that traffic noise from LDP and likely be facing a permanent green forest/jungle vista (or rock face, it will depend on your unit floor.

Because the elevation (200-300m) backing the D'Erica area is not part of DCP (with an exception of one plot), and also part of a "forest reserve", and the elevation makes it unlikely to become a candidate of any high-rise development.

Unless they plan to build bungalows like the ones EXIM has planned on the other side of the same Bukit (the heights area above the failed/currently being revived Empire Residences).

I would wonder if Tan Sri Emkay would "defend" the heights on the DCP side, since any development will be too close to comfort to his top of the bukit private mansion

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Interesting topography for Block A and B of D'Erica. Depending on the block (block A) and facing side of your unit, you'll probably be shielded from all that traffic noise from LDP and likely be facing a permanent green forest/jungle vista (or rock face, it will depend on your unit floor.

Because the elevation (200-300m) backing the D'Erica area is not part of DCP (with an exception of one plot), and also part of a "forest reserve", and the elevation makes it unlikely to become a candidate of any high-rise development.

Unless they plan to build bungalows like the ones EXIM has planned on the other side of the same Bukit (the heights area above the failed/currently being revived Empire Residences).

I would wonder if Tan Sri Emkay would "defend" the heights on the DCP side, since any development will be too close to comfort to his top of the bukit private mansion
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Good analysis on this. I think D'Erica is better position from Cosmos, Quince and Vervain. The right units facing the reserve forests definitely are hotter picks based on the sales chart.
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Good analysis on this. I think D'Erica is better position from Cosmos, Quince and Vervain. The right units facing the reserve forests definitely are hotter picks based on the sales chart.
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I was also considering either Vervain or D'Erica and found that D'Erica is in really strategic spot (slightly away from the high densed concentration of the other 3 condos.

Went for D'Erica. Hope I don't regret my decision. Planning to stay there. Haha.

By the way, construction completion and keys handover will only be in Q4 2024, based on the Schedule of Payment of progressive interest.. So this is another point to take note.
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I was also considering either Vervain or D'Erica and found that D'Erica is in really strategic spot (slightly away from the high densed concentration of the other 3 condos.

Went for D'Erica. Hope I don't regret my decision. Planning to stay there. Haha.

By the way, construction completion and keys handover will only be in Q4 2024, based on the Schedule of Payment of progressive interest.. So this is another point to take note.
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Beware of this developer. I paid 100RM for booking and they sent me a letter asking me to sign s&p within 2 weeks and pay deposit. I dont even know if my loan is approved or not. If i dont pay and sign within 2 weeks they will cahrge me 500rm. Agent will never mention this as of course customer will run away. Try to squeze money out of customer one way or another. I do not suggest your to buy from them unless you have extra money to spare. This whole area project has been stopped once before and continue and taken over by current developer. Hence why they are launching all phases at the same time. Some of them supposed to be completed 2years ago. Now they are putting lot of money in their marketing to trick you and once you put your booking, they will make money from you one way or another. So becareful.
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And make you pay 500 if you dont sign s&p within 2 weeks. Before passing your loan. Go ahead if you have 500 to spare or u 100% sure can get loan.
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And make you pay 500 if you dont sign s&p within 2 weeks. Before passing your loan. Go ahead if you have 500 to spare or u 100% sure can get loan.
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Hi, I'm not your agent, thus I don't know your full situation. It's best that you clarify back with your own agent or EXSIM.

But from what I read, you are taking about the rm500 canceling fees. Rm500 is if you decides to cancel for whatever reason besides loan rejected. If loan rejected you will get full refund of your booking fees (either rm100 or rm1k).

You paid rm100, If you decide to cancel, rm100 will be fully forfeited. No additional charge (they can't charge you even if wanted to, because how when you only paid rm100?). However, if loan is rejected then rm100 will be fully refunded.

If you paid rm1k for booking fees and you choose to cancel for whatever reason besides loan rejected, then rm500 will be charge. If loan rejected then rm1k will be fully refunded.

The 2 weeks signing you are probably referring to SPA signing timeline. EXSIM will send 1st reminder letter 2 weeks after you paid booking, it's only a reminder. There will be at least 3 reminder before they terminate your booking.

Normally you can get your loan approve or rejected in 1 week, depending on how fast your own agent handle and also the banker.

Again, do check back with your own agent or EXSIM as they understand your situation better.

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Isn't d'erica surrounded by a cement manufacturing plant??

are they going to move the plant away or what?


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Township development at PJ.
Next to several mature township TDDI, kota damansara, desa park city etc.
accessibility is good v dash highway is plus point.
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8.3 acres out of total 61 acres. 61/8.3=7.3

2.8k units out of 8.3k acres. 2.8*7.3 = 21

thats about 21k units over 61 acres if its the same density.

assuming 2 ppl to 1 unit, thats 42k people, not including the population from empire city.

Cyberjayas population is only about 120k people over thousands of acres. This is seriously high density. Cant argue about the location and accessibility though
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Can't compare cyberjaya with PJ. Totally different location. PJ is a matured township with everything in one place. Cyberjaya is far away from everything else. Anyway, those interested can contact me for referral fees too. click here -> https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4942129&hl=

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QUOTE(flight @ Feb 21 2021, 09:26 AM)
8.3 acres out of total 61 acres. 61/8.3=7.3

2.8k units out of 8.3k acres. 2.8*7.3 = 21

thats about 21k units over 61 acres if its the same density.

assuming 2 ppl to 1 unit, thats 42k people, not including the population from empire city.

Cyberjayas population is only about 120k people over thousands of acres. This is seriously high density. Cant argue about the location and accessibility though
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Although the masterplan is just 'word of mouth' by SA, but unlikely developer will build all residence building in this whole piece of land la, some will be shoplot / office tower for sure.

If u plan to buy for own stay, and u feel the location and accessibility is good, why bother high or low dense population? it won't affect u anyway.

For investors, the real problem u should take note is completion date for the first 4 phases are very close (within 1 year?), meaning after u take the key, u immediately need to compete with 2.8k units in rental / subsale market. So in shortterm (1-3years) don't expect high rental income / high selling price.

I'm sure SA will tell u their price is lower than surrounding high rise market price, but please do your homework, if u ask me, i don't think so la. The future value of D Erica highly depends on the CPD masterplan and the empire city mall, if u believe the developer, then go for it and hold until the township matured.

My 0.02 cents opinion.
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to be honest, i'm not sure how well empire city will do. It's a very huge uncertainty there. I'm curious, has there been any project that are super high density with huge success? And when i say huge success, i'm not talking about sold out. I'm talking about occupancy rate, maintenance, traffic, residents double parking outside causing street congestion etc..

roads infrastructure there is not exactly good at this moment, i'm sure they will upgrade it once the project is done. I think this project really hinge on the success of empire city. There's alot of upside potential and downside risk
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I think the mall will definitely be successful, i have a question mark over the residentials there though.

Imagine having 30+ towers within walking distance to ur shopling mall. Connected by 2 major highways, dash and ldp. The mall is positioned for success, but ppl arent buying the mall though. They r buying the condos

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Hi future buyer here. I think the mall will atleast be successful coz it would be the nearest grocery shopping source. Kind of like how Aeon at OneUtama feeds the BU population haha. Plus with the sky garden bridge thing connecting to the Empire City mall and you can just walk, is a plus for good shady days/afternoons.

Until the commercial bit in the centre land between DErica and DQuince, DVervain and DCosmos is completed, then maybe the mall wont be so popular - just balanced out?
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Erica has nothing to do with empire city mall. They are not even on the same land. The mall is not part of the 65 acre township. Empire city mall is just a plus point.
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Although the masterplan is just 'word of mouth' by SA, but unlikely developer will build all residence building in this whole piece of land la, some will be shoplot / office tower for sure.

If u plan to buy for own stay, and u feel the location and accessibility is good, why bother high or low dense population? it won't affect u anyway.

For investors, the real problem u should take note is completion date for the first 4 phases are very close (within 1 year?), meaning after u take the key, u immediately need to compete with 2.8k units in rental / subsale market. So in shortterm (1-3years) don't expect high rental income / high selling price.

I'm sure SA will tell u their price is lower than surrounding high rise market price, but please do your homework, if u ask me, i don't think so la. The future value of D Erica highly depends on the CPD masterplan and the empire city mall, if u believe the developer, then go for it and hold until the township matured.

My 0.02 cents opinion.
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Yeah, it wont be all residential for sure. As masterplan have shown, and were told by SA - the centre would have a green park space with commercial (whether its shoplot or tower tbc i guess). Even more high end residential was said maybe built on the side facing the forest reserve - but im guessing that would be dependent on how well they do with these 4 upcoming resi. (Quince, Vervain, Cosmos and Erica). I've done my research on the architecture firm who prolly did the early massing masterplan for CPD. and so far what SA conveyed has said is likely to be true unless Exsim decides otherwise.
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Erica has nothing to do with empire city mall. They are not even on the same land. The mall is not part of the 65 acre township. Empire city mall is just a plus point.
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No they're not, but there is a sky garden bridge that is suppose to be connecting point between CPD and Empire City right? and that park bridge is closest to Erica. However yea im aware the Mall is meant to be on MKLand's part to finish, if that's what you meant by it has nothing to do w Erica.
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QUOTE(DRKLM_91 @ Feb 21 2021, 01:48 PM)
to be honest, i'm not sure how well empire city will do. It's a very huge uncertainty there. I'm curious, has there been any project that are super high density with huge success? And when i say huge success, i'm not talking about sold out. I'm talking about occupancy rate, maintenance, traffic, residents double parking outside causing street congestion etc..

roads infrastructure there is not exactly good at this moment, i'm sure they will upgrade it once the project is done. I think this project really hinge on the success of empire city. There's alot of upside potential and downside risk
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The most relevant comparison would be bangsar south, similar land size and density. But bangsar south is KL address, not really apple to apple la. In selangor, I haven't see any.
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Erica has nothing to do with empire city mall. They are not even on the same land. The mall is not part of the 65 acre township. Empire city mall is just a plus point.
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I believe everyone here aware that these are 2 different development, but who care? sweat.gif like it or not this 2 projects already tied together, CPD provide the local population and empire city mall support the value of CPD residence unit. The retail and office building in CPD masterplan alone is not enough to justify and bring value to around 5k residences units..

QUOTE(flight @ Feb 21 2021, 02:15 PM)
I think the mall will definitely be successful, i have a question mark over the residentials there though.

Imagine having 30+ towers within walking distance to ur shopling mall. Connected by 2 major highways, dash and ldp. The mall is positioned for success, but ppl arent buying the mall though. They r buying the condos
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May I know what makes u confidence to empire city mall? In long run maybe good, but prior to the mall opening (in 2022?), the first challenge they will face is looking for tenant, Empire city is a very huge shopping mall (similar like 1u?), in current market situation their occupancy rate will be a question mark.
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QUOTE(whtan94 @ Feb 21 2021, 05:10 PM)
I believe everyone here aware that these are 2 different development, but who care? sweat.gif like it or not this 2 projects already tied together, CPD provide the local population and empire city mall support the value of CPD residence unit. The retail and office building in CPD masterplan alone is not enough to justify and bring value to around 5k residences units..  
May I know what makes u confidence to empire city mall? In long run maybe good, but prior to the mall opening (in 2022?), the first challenge they will face is looking for tenant,  Empire city is a very huge shopping mall (similar like 1u?), in current market situation their occupancy rate will be a question mark.
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actually central park damansara and empire city will have an overhead connecting platform with a garden, so people staying in centrla park damansara can walk to empire city, u can check the masterplan, the bridge portion at empire city is already complete. Its not really 2 separate developments.


Edit: i am talking about long run 5 to 10 years. Even now the bridge isnt completed.
The reason I think empire city is going to be successful is due to its connectivity, if u look at most of the successful malls, they are usually located beside one major highway.

1U is LDP, Paradigm is LDP, Midvalley is federal highway, Sunway pyramid is NPE. Empire is connected to 2 major highways, LDP and DASH. They have a catchment population from central park and the existing towers above empire city of easily 30k to 60k people. I dont think there is a comparable shopping mall with such a population density within walking distance of a commercial area. Except maybe the KLCCs and Pavillions.

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Does anyone know whether there are any rebates/discounts at the moment?
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At the moment there are very limited units, especially the 1,000sqft units being all booked. Depending on your agent, it will depend on others who release their units, but it's a very rare scenario to be able to snap up a released unit.

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There is a huge mosque in plan for construction on one of the land nearby..
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There is a huge mosque in plan for construction on one of the land nearby..
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that one is located closer to the side of D'Quince, D'Vervain and D'Cosmos
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that one is located closer to the side of D'Quince, D'Vervain and D'Cosmos
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only 300 meters away from a full fledge mosque... still quite near

https://scontent.fkul14-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t...38f&oe=60740642

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I mean in terms of noise it really doesnt effect as there's going to be mosque nearby regardless of where you live so sound shouldnt be an issue.

I'm curious what other impact? just slightly more traffic right?
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I mean in terms of noise it really doesnt effect as there's going to be mosque nearby regardless of where you live so sound shouldnt be an issue.

I'm curious what other impact? just slightly more traffic right?
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If that's what you believe.

There are a lot of projects that won't have the same mosque noise like quince, vervain, cosmos will be getting so I don't get the false equivalence here.

As for traffic, it's going to be bustling every Friday noon.

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If that's what you believe.

There are a lot of projects that won't have the same mosque noise like quince, vervain, cosmos will be getting so I don't get the false equivalence here.

As for traffic, it's going to be bustling every Friday noon.
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Well we do live in a multicultural country smile.gif . It does not necessarily need to be seen as negative thing (azan noise)- there are muslims and non-muslims that mind and also those who dont mind or those who have grown used to it. Positive side of it also, mosque can mean = community = indirect neighbourhood security.

Yes Friday prayers traffic will be something, thats a given. but its like only for an hour during lunch? maybe not as bad also, coz most may just ride motor or walk to the mosque since so close. Speaking of traffic, we would need to expect some sort of traffic in future anyway cos of upcoming commercial retail in centre.

My agent told me the unit windows will be specced to filter noise anyhow , the traffic within will be one-way and bollards will be installed to reduce the side parking overlap so wont makan into cyclist lane. The hope is that they will design the traffic the best way they can to have better flow.
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Well we do live in a multicultural country smile.gif . It does not necessarily need to be seen as negative thing (azan noise)- there are muslims and non-muslims that mind and also those who dont mind or those who have grown used to it. Positive side of it also, mosque can mean = community = indirect neighbourhood security.

Yes Friday prayers traffic will be something, thats a given. but its like only for an hour during lunch? maybe not as bad also, coz most may just ride motor or walk to the mosque since so close. Speaking of traffic, we would need to expect some sort of traffic in future anyway cos of upcoming commercial retail in centre.

My agent told me the unit windows will be specced to filter noise anyhow , the traffic within will be one-way and bollards will be installed to reduce the side parking overlap so wont makan into cyclist lane. The hope is that they will design the traffic the best way they can to have better flow.
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Thus, I did not imply whether its positive or negative, right?

I don't have as much confidence as you after looking at the scale model of master development plan. Its not like they have allocated enough lands between these 4 resi projects to ease the upcoming traffic burden.

The least affected one of these 4 is d'erica which it has shown on the price chart as well.

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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ Mar 15 2021, 07:24 PM)
Thus, I did not imply whether its positive or negative, right? 

I don't have as much confidence as you after looking at the scale model of master development plan. Its not like they have allocated enough lands between these 4 resi projects to ease the upcoming traffic burden.

The least affected one of these 4 is d'erica which it has shown on the price chart as well.
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Okay sure i understand where youre coming from smile.gif i am just pointing out other points of looking at it.

To each their own confidence to buy into the masterplan development smile.gif
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QUOTE(esseeten @ Mar 15 2021, 06:20 PM)
Well we do live in a multicultural country smile.gif . It does not necessarily need to be seen as negative thing (azan noise)- there are muslims and non-muslims that mind and also those who dont mind or those who have grown used to it. Positive side of it also, mosque can mean = community = indirect neighbourhood security.

Yes Friday prayers traffic will be something, thats a given. but its like only for an hour during lunch? maybe not as bad also, coz most may just ride motor or walk to the mosque since so close. Speaking of traffic, we would need to expect some sort of traffic in future anyway cos of upcoming commercial retail in centre.

My agent told me the unit windows will be specced to filter noise anyhow , the traffic within will be one-way and bollards will be installed to reduce the side parking overlap so wont makan into cyclist lane. The hope is that they will design the traffic the best way they can to have better flow.
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I think the traffic gets heavy from 12-2pm...

Your agent can tell you every sweet things you want to hear... best is to figure it out yourself...

if the spec sheet says "Laminated Glass" then yes... it is a soundproof glass... other than that double pane or triple pane... doesn't filter much noise out... not to the point that you would want..

Laminated Glass are normally used for high end luxury service apartment... I highly doubt D'erica uses them..

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I just notice something...

The Mosque is less than 300meter but there is a sizable chinese temple less than 100meter.... looks modern but I wonder if burning of joss papers or joss sticks are allowed..

this area seems to be packed with religious buildings..



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[quote=lollipopkan,Mar 21 2021, 01:34 PM]
Buyers: "But..but...but...will they ruin their reputation..."

Well I don't see why developers put reputation high above profit because developers that had issues before barely had their reputation scratched.

Mxhsing? M oscar sold damn well.
AK? Hipster sold out, wips all taken within half a year.
Unker hammer trxpxcxnx? Mxyu sold out.
Lbx had problems before? Ppl actually ignored advices and went for zxnxpy, now kbkp.
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Yeap I agree on this
but I doubt the quality be bad

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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Mar 21 2021, 02:37 PM)
QUOTE(lollipopkan @ Mar 21 2021, 01:34 PM)

Buyers: "But..but...but...will they ruin their reputation..."

Well I don't see why developers put reputation high above profit because developers that had issues before barely had their reputation scratched.

Mxhsing? M oscar sold damn well.
AK? Hipster sold out, wips all taken within half a year.
Unker hammer trxpxcxnx? Mxyu sold out. 
Lbx had problems before? Ppl actually ignored advices and went for zxnxpy, now kbkp.
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Yeap I agree on this
but I doubt the quality be bad
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Good, bad, decent, okay, excellent, fantastic, worst, nightmare are all adjectives. Everyone has a ruler to measure the workmanship.

Even if its bad, you will see people die die say the workmanship is good to console themselves.

Just wait till vp and see subsales market and lelong, whether valuers and banks see eye to eye to buyers' buying prices.

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[quote=lollipopkan,Mar 21 2021, 03:40 PM]
Yeap I agree on this
but I doubt the quality be bad
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Good, bad, decent, okay, excellent, fantastic, worst, nightmare are all adjectives. Everyone has a ruler to measure the workmanship.

Even if its bad, you will see people die die say the workmanship is good to console themselves.

Just wait till vp and see subsales market and lelong, whether valuers and banks see eye to eye to buyers' buying prices.
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Lelong, for sure every project VP now also will have one haha. Looking at current economy movement and COVID. Mana mana pun ade lelong.

I do agree on ur comment on workmanship, apa comment pun ade
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Price from RM6xxK gross. But sold out. If really keen on getting one can refer here https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4942129&hl=

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Price from RM6xxK gross. But sold out
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Correction, its not fully sold out but its fully booked

If anyone interested to know more about the 1000sf, just drop me a message.

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Seriously can’t imagine how this development will succeed.

1) Extremely high density = depreciated rent because owners all vying to find tenants. Lower end will probably go to Flora Damansara.

2) Lack of public transportation = Not close to any current and future public transportation. Potential tenants have to own cars which drastically limits the pool. If all tenants own their own vehicle then can only imagine traffic...

3) Big question mark on Exsim. Too many projects launched at the same time. Are they able to sustain cash flow???

Honestly if I die die want to buy unit here better wait till VP ( assuming VP lah). Confirm will have auction units/sub sale that ask same price as launch price due to sheer number of units

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Every project also have auction unit. Depend buyer holding power. Some investor just want take profit after VP. No whether how i still believe PJ area wont be so bad. Good or bad,after VP will knw result.




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QUOTE(Erictan1981 @ Apr 7 2021, 01:42 PM)
Every project also have auction unit. Depend buyer holding power. Some investor just want take profit after VP. No whether how i still believe PJ area wont be so bad.  Good or bad,after VP will knw result.
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Auction units are not the same as selling your property..

Most of the time... properties are being auctioned is because the buyers can't afford to pay the property and the bank has to auctioned the property out...

This normally happens to properties with downpayment/upfront payments... those property speculator loves these types of properties.. easy entry

another reason is when the property engages with lots of property agents... basically property agents who always give false narrative like high ROI... high capital appreciation etc. enticing tons of uninformed buyers ... just to end up defaulting...

Just look at properties that doesn't engage in 3rd party developers... you will not see auctions unit from the project...


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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Apr 7 2021, 12:31 AM)
Seriously can’t imagine how this development will succeed.

1) Extremely high density = depreciated rent because owners all vying to find tenants. Lower end will probably go to Flora Damansara.

2) Lack of public transportation = Not close to any current and future public transportation. Potential tenants have to own cars which drastically limits the pool. If all tenants own their own vehicle then can only imagine traffic...

3) Big question mark on Exsim. Too many projects launched at the same time. Are they able to sustain cash flow???

Honestly if I die die want to buy unit here better wait till VP ( assuming VP lah). Confirm will have auction units/sub sale that ask same price as launch price due to sheer number of units
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your points number 1 and 2... it is too early to tell and too subjective... the area is still in development hence all these are just presumptions base on the current state...

for point 3.... I think it should be fine... Exism isn't those small time developers like the ones that developed "the boss" or those abandoned projects...


I usually look at properties in a more practical/realistic point of view rather than speculation.....

For example... the mosque being build at a VERY close proximity is certain... hence this is a factor to consider....

another is the surrounding environment... a huge temple is just right in front of the project.... not sure if there is any noise or smoke issue but definitely not beneficial to the buyers to have it so close by...

forest reserve too nearby.... attracts insects/mosquitos/flies etc.

LDP highway is just 100meters from the project... and to top it off the plaza toll is just 1KM away...

no real walking distance to any malls/commercial places.... lack convenience...


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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 8 2021, 01:06 AM)
your points number 1 and 2... it is too early to tell and too subjective... the area is still in development hence all these are just presumptions base on the current state...

for point 3.... I think it should be fine... Exism isn't those small time developers like the ones that developed "the boss" or those abandoned projects...
I usually look at properties in a more practical/realistic point of view rather than speculation.....

For example... the mosque being build at a VERY close proximity is certain... hence this is a factor to consider....

another is the surrounding environment... a huge temple is just right in front of the project.... not sure if there is any noise or smoke issue but definitely not beneficial to the buyers to have it so close by...

forest reserve too nearby.... attracts insects/mosquitos/flies etc.

LDP highway is just 100meters from the project... and to top it off the plaza toll is just 1KM away...

no real walking distance to any malls/commercial places.... lack convenience...
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It's only fair to say that ANY projects under construction is speculative. Even if nearby has good amenities, public transport etc etc, one screwed up JMB or bad neighbour/tenants your property also habis, and you can't exit easily because there's so many more other units you have to compete against.

This project is high dense, and all your points are fairly valid. Fully booked marketing is just to create marketing hype, but is also a valid indicator of interest of property owners. If krik krik nobody book, means won't attract new buyers also la. Developer is willing to provide 0% installment even for the down payment, so you tell how desperate they are in securing bookings la. PJ address you can't get anything cheaper than this d, unless you go for old subsales. So at the end of the day, give and take lor, you pay peanuts you get monekys, you want cheap properties, sure have to compromise somewhere.
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Easy to summarise
Can u get this Price psf in PJ?
And 4 rooms?
Period. If have budget many other project can go for higher psf which range around RM750-850psf in PJ surrounding.
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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 9 2021, 12:40 AM)
Easy to summarise
Can u get this Price psf in PJ?
And 4 rooms?
Period. If have budget many other project can go for higher psf which range around RM750-850psf in PJ surrounding.
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No one is denying low price per sf friend... the concern is mainly on ultra high density (as per what developer proposed, no speculation ya).

I ask you which ultra high density project is succeeding? RC residence, confirm dying cause of high density. M Vertica? Same issue as well but at least got mrt1 despite 3k units.

What’s the pull for this project? Don’t tell me only because of the price man..
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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 9 2021, 12:40 AM)
Easy to summarise
Can u get this Price psf in PJ?
And 4 rooms?
Period. If have budget many other project can go for higher psf which range around RM750-850psf in PJ surrounding.
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That is like saying ...

Sentul property price... can you get such price PSF near KL city centre?? doh.gif doh.gif

If that's the case... why buy property in KL sentral or bukit bintang or KLCC.... might as well just buy sentul property... which is cheaper than subang/PJ price

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I not sure if u aware there is preserve 10 acres park behind D'Vervain and also along the back, developer preserved it for leisure and etc. Of course the same time, Empire City is going to be ready as well. With the pull of Milan Street and the mall. Hotel and offices. HCK tower also there. Its basically a self sustain. So yeah density is there, but there is pull for that.

EXSIM reputation alone also have what it takes. If see their past record will know.

But yeah its my opinion smile.gif
Can ignore what i say as well, just opinion smile.gif
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Coz frankly if talk about density, then many place no need to buy as if u look the surrouding... such Bukit Jalil, Cheras, Setapak, Puchong, MK, Sentul, Kepong, KL City, Even Seri Kembangan and etc
which area if 65 acres size dont have such density?

Basically didnt cover those such called high end place such as Bangsar / Bangsar South, also same actually the density if u factor in 65 acres land. Not just one building.

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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 9 2021, 11:09 AM)
I not sure if u aware there is preserve 10 acres park behind D'Vervain and also along the back, developer preserved it for leisure and etc. Of course the same time, Empire City is going to be ready as well. With the pull of Milan Street and the mall. Hotel and offices. HCK tower also there. Its basically a self sustain. So yeah density is there, but there is pull for that.

EXSIM reputation alone also have what it takes. If see their past record will know.

But yeah its my opinion smile.gif
Can ignore what i say as well, just opinion smile.gif
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No doubt developer and surrounding has a lot of plans in the pipeline. My question is why not wait till VP and see if they can put their money where their mouth is? Given the density and total number of units , almost certain can get launch price from owners who want to offload in market due to change of mind/other circumstances.

QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 9 2021, 11:13 AM)
Coz frankly if talk about density, then many place no need to buy as if u look the surrouding... such Bukit Jalil, Cheras, Setapak, Puchong, MK, Sentul, Kepong, KL City, Even Seri Kembangan and etc
which area if 65 acres size dont have such density?

Basically didnt cover those such called high end place such as Bangsar / Bangsar South, also same actually the density if u factor in 65 acres land. Not just one building.
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Density without amenities like public transportation is useless. Those places you cited ALL have mrt/lrt in the immediate area. Exception is MK but then you can find in the markets HUGE sub sale units ( >1.5k sqft) for around 600k and lower transacted. It doesn’t help also that Exsim is pumping all these units in one go which again, distorts tremendously the supply in the area (ie market not sufficient time to absorb).
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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 9 2021, 11:09 AM)
I not sure if u aware there is preserve 10 acres park behind D'Vervain and also along the back, developer preserved it for leisure and etc. Of course the same time, Empire City is going to be ready as well. With the pull of Milan Street and the mall. Hotel and offices. HCK tower also there. Its basically a self sustain. So yeah density is there, but there is pull for that.

EXSIM reputation alone also have what it takes. If see their past record will know.

But yeah its my opinion smile.gif
Can ignore what i say as well, just opinion smile.gif
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Don't be so naive bro...

First of all.... Exsim did not even announce any plans to develop "leisure" for the remaining land behind D'vervain...

if they are planning to do so.... they would have already announce it to attract buyers for the current projects...

it is most likely that they are planning to build a few more blocks of residential ...

No developers will ever "build leisure".... something that doesn't earn them money... AFTER all the current projects are sold.... the only time developers use the land for leisure is when they need to bundle it to attract and sell the existing residential projects...case in point... look at tropicana metropark...


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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 9 2021, 01:00 PM)
Don't be so naive bro...

First of all.... Exsim did not even announce any plans to develop "leisure" for the remaining land behind D'vervain...

if they are planning to do so.... they would have already announce it to attract buyers for the current projects...

it is most likely that they are planning to build a few more blocks of residential ...

No developers will ever "build leisure".... something that doesn't earn them money... AFTER all the current projects are sold.... the only time developers use the land for leisure is when they need to bundle it to attract and sell the existing residential projects...case in point... look at tropicana metropark...
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Its ok. U can claim me naive. If anyone who interest to see, can meet up with me.

We will see your comment in coming months if I am naive smile.gif

If u can compare EXSIM with Tropicana reputation... well I leave that to u all to judge
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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 10 2021, 01:34 PM)
Its ok. U can claim me naive. If anyone who interest to see, can meet up with me.

We will see your comment in coming months if I am naive smile.gif

If u can compare EXSIM with Tropicana reputation... well I leave that to u all to judge
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Tropicana gardens vs empire damansara, obvious enough this comparison??
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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ Apr 10 2021, 12:38 PM)
Tropicana gardens vs empire damansara, obvious enough this comparison??
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Get ur facts right ya..
Empire is only started to take over by EXSIM lately oh... Previously whatever u hear or see bad is under Mammoth... Obvious enough for u to check? Else go google for facts ya.. Not me say one
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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ Apr 10 2021, 12:38 PM)
Tropicana gardens vs empire damansara, obvious enough this comparison??
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Get ur facts right ya..
Empire is only started to take over by EXSIM lately oh... Previously whatever u hear or see bad is under Mammoth... Obvious enough for u to check? Else go google for facts ya.. Not me say one

If you are the SA for the project, please learn the history well as well ya.



This is what u say in another chatroom https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5118241/+80

"Want my stance? I am also a SA for the project and I also badmouthed the project(if stating facts means that).

This post has been edited by lollipopkan: Yesterday, 09:47 PM"
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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 10 2021, 01:40 PM)
Get ur facts right ya..
Empire is only started to take over by EXSIM lately oh... Previously whatever u hear or see bad is under Mammoth... Obvious enough for u to check? Else go google for facts ya.. Not me say one
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So what makes you think exsim will treat empire damansara as its own first hand own child? You were the one who made a snide remark to compare both exsim and tropicana reputation.

When getting questioned now you say bad things are from mammoth, good things from exsim? Hahaha
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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 10 2021, 01:44 PM)
Get ur facts right ya..
Empire is only started to take over by EXSIM lately oh... Previously whatever u hear or see bad is under Mammoth... Obvious enough for u to check? Else go google for facts ya.. Not me say one

If you are the SA for the project, please learn the history well as well ya.
This is what u say in another chatroom  https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/5118241/+80

"Want my stance? I am also a SA for the project and I also badmouthed the project(if stating facts means that).

This post has been edited by lollipopkan: Yesterday, 09:47 PM"
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Yes, I said that because the other guy accused terang2 people who stated facts against the development have agenda or property agents selling other projects or first home buyers. That's why I replied I'm a sa for the project yet I don't sugarcoat like a beech.

Rest assured I'm not one of those iqi agents who see no bad things on exsim projects just because of fast full comm. I say what I said.

If exsim really that dedicated, why don't use z series on dquince, dvervain, dcosmos and derica?
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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 10 2021, 12:34 PM)
Its ok. U can claim me naive. If anyone who interest to see, can meet up with me.

We will see your comment in coming months if I am naive smile.gif

If u can compare EXSIM with Tropicana reputation... well I leave that to u all to judge
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First of all... I'm not questioning Exsim reputation and I'm not even comparing Tropicana and Exsim in terms of reputation...

I'm just using the master plan of "Tropicana Metropark" as an example of how a mixed development project typically looks like...

The fact that Exsim (based on available information from the developer website) did not declare any "leisure" projects for the remaining land would normally means that there is no intention of such development...

Just think about it for a moment... why would a developer waste its land to build a park or recreation area or for leisure purpose when there is no profit to it??

Tropicana Metropark has a huge recreational area being built is because it forms part and parcel with the existing residential plan to attract buyers..... it would make absolutely no sense if they have sold off Paisley/Pandora and Paloma THEN only announce that they want to build a park there....

Anyhow.... my comments on the "master plan" is purely a deduction based on preceding mixed development from other developers and common business sense....

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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ Apr 10 2021, 01:42 PM)
So what makes you think exsim will treat empire damansara as its own first hand own child? You were the one who made a snide remark to compare both exsim and tropicana reputation.

When getting questioned now you say bad things are from mammoth, good things from exsim? Hahaha
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Its ok i leave it to u.

You suka cakap apa pun boleh. From the posting from few chatroom, well obvious u r not the project agent but I not sure whats ur intention
Perhaps another agency agent or some haters

Anyway i make my comment enough said smile.gif

TQ
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 10 2021, 01:58 PM)
First of all... I'm not questioning Exsim reputation and I'm not even comparing Tropicana and Exsim in terms of reputation...

I'm just using the master plan of "Tropicana Metropark" as an example of how a mixed development project typically looks like...

The fact that Exsim (based on available information from the developer website) did not declare any "leisure" projects for the remaining land would normally means that there is no intention of such development...

Just think about it for a moment... why would a developer waste its land to build a park or recreation area or for leisure purpose when there is no profit to it??

Tropicana Metropark has a huge recreational area being built is because it forms part and parcel with the existing residential plan to attract buyers..... it would make absolutely no sense if they have sold off Paisley/Pandora and Paloma THEN only announce that they want to build a park there....

Anyhow.... my comments on the "master plan" is purely a deduction based on preceding mixed development from other developers and common business sense....
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Come meet up i show u the plan.
Dont ask for pm or whatsapp whatever. Can meetup i show u

Its ok i not challenge anything here. Nothing for me to fight anyway. TQ
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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 10 2021, 03:36 PM)
Like I say
Come meet up i show u the plan.
Dont ask for pm or whatsapp whatever. Can meetup i show u

Its ok i not challenge anything here. Nothing for me to fight anyway. TQ
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You can just show the plan here... I don't need to meet with some stranger on the internet...

if you have something good to share... why not just share in the forum???

Is there something sketchy about the plan that you can't share it on the forum or are you afraid that people would crosscheck your so called "plan" with the developers??


seriously... this is the first time I've ever come across some plan for some project that has to be shared in private...

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 10 2021, 03:47 PM)
You can just show the plan here... I don't need to meet with some stranger on the internet...

if you have something good to share... why not just share in the forum???

Is there something sketchy about the plan that you can't share it on the forum or are you afraid that people would crosscheck your so called "plan" with the developers??
seriously... this is the first time I've ever come across some plan for some project that has to be shared in private...
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It’s ok tq. There is reason why it’s not in public yet. Anyway nvm smile.gif
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 10 2021, 01:58 PM)
First of all... I'm not questioning Exsim reputation and I'm not even comparing Tropicana and Exsim in terms of reputation...

I'm just using the master plan of "Tropicana Metropark" as an example of how a mixed development project typically looks like...

The fact that Exsim (based on available information from the developer website) did not declare any "leisure" projects for the remaining land would normally means that there is no intention of such development...

Just think about it for a moment... why would a developer waste its land to build a park or recreation area or for leisure purpose when there is no profit to it??

Tropicana Metropark has a huge recreational area being built is because it forms part and parcel with the existing residential plan to attract buyers..... it would make absolutely no sense if they have sold off Paisley/Pandora and Paloma THEN only announce that they want to build a park there....

Anyhow.... my comments on the "master plan" is purely a deduction based on preceding mixed development from other developers and common business sense....
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You can just show the plan here... I don't need to meet with some stranger on the internet...

if you have something good to share... why not just share in the forum???

Is there something sketchy about the plan that you can't share it on the forum or are you afraid that people would crosscheck your so called "plan" with the developers??
seriously... this is the first time I've ever come across some plan for some project that has to be shared in private...
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I found this online.
https://thecentralparkdamansara.com/

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QUOTE(Windzneom @ Apr 10 2021, 09:12 PM)
Yea... this is what I've found too.. (it is not official by the way since this is not published by the developer themselves but some blog/wordpress, which could be done by anyone)

There are no indication that the developer is going to build leisure parks or landscaping on the land behind D'Quince like what some of the people here claim..or on any other free land within the proximity of the 4 residential properties...

The official masterplan from Exsim shows the same with only 4 service apartment... while the rest of the land being labelled as future development...

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Its ok i leave it to u.

You suka cakap apa pun boleh. From the posting from few chatroom, well obvious u r not the project agent but I not sure whats ur intention
Perhaps another agency agent or some haters

Anyway i make my comment enough said smile.gif

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From the details, sales kit, comm percentage, comm payment schedule until available price chart, what makes me not a sales agent for the project?

You are funny. Stating facts=haters or another agency agent.
How do we iqi have such standard of agent like you?

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Please do not personnel attacking if you not agree with other disagree statement.
If not mistaken only IQI agent allow to sell Exsim project.
None of the agent will bad mouth their project unless is the other agent or agenda behind.
If IQI agent found selling the property not under the their list, agent will be blacklist from agency.

As i understand, JKR convena, MH platinium 2 & OKR harmony is not belong to IQI property list.
If you look at all comments attached, very obviously is exsim hater & non-IQI agent.
As a buyer, i won't buy property from agent who lie & call buyer naïve or stupid because not buying property from them or disagreement.
You can denied it look like me but not me but everything will have track record able to find online for all your past comment.

I am sorry, i can't tolerence such person keep twist the word & terang terang lie to other.

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QUOTE(Erictan1981 @ Apr 11 2021, 10:30 AM)
Please do not personnel attacking if you not agree with other disagree statement.
If not mistaken only IQI agent allow to sell Exsim project.
None of the agent will bad mouth their project unless is the other agent or agenda behind.
If IQI agent found selling the property not under the their list, agent will be blacklist from agency.

As i understand, JKR convena, MH platinium 2 & OKR harmony is not belong to IQI property list.
If you look the all comments attached, very obviously is exsim hater & non-IQI agent.
As a buyer, i won't buy property from agent who lie & call buyer naïve or stupid because not buying property from them or disagreement.
You can denied it look like me but not me but everything will have track record able to find online for all your past comment.

I am sorry, i can't tolerence such person keep twist the word & terang terang lie to other.
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You seem oddly knowledgeable about the ins and outs of the agents and non agents that can/can’t market this property?
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yeah, just signed my spa agreement today. got owner group either in FB or telegram to join?

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 10 2021, 09:22 PM)
Yea... this is what I've found too.. (it is not official by the way since this is not published by the developer themselves but some blog/wordpress, which could be done by anyone)

There are no indication that the developer is going to build leisure parks or landscaping on the land behind D'Quince like what some of the people here claim..or on any other free land within the proximity of the 4 residential properties...

The official masterplan from Exsim shows the same with only 4 service apartment... while the rest of the land being labelled as future development...
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Future development means.... more condo coming soon tongue.gif
A mixed development but many condo waiting to be built.
Density is there, if own stay sure good, because you are the one who stay there, u suka then is fine already
Investment wise..... what make your unit special compared to the other few thousand units?
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QUOTE(Najibaik @ Apr 11 2021, 03:04 PM)
Future development means.... more condo coming soon  tongue.gif
A mixed development but many condo waiting to be built.
Density is there, if own stay sure good, because you are the one who stay there, u suka then is fine already
Investment wise..... what make your unit special compared to the other few thousand units?
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That is the typical logic... especially when it is clearly not a TOD project..

Residential will always be the easiest for developer to profit...


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QUOTE(Erictan1981 @ Apr 11 2021, 11:30 AM)
Please do not personnel attacking if you not agree with other disagree statement.
If not mistaken only IQI agent allow to sell Exsim project.
None of the agent will bad mouth their project unless is the other agent or agenda behind.
If IQI agent found selling the property not under the their list, agent will be blacklist from agency.

As i understand, JKR convena, MH platinium 2 & OKR harmony is not belong to IQI property list.
If you look at all comments attached, very obviously is exsim hater & non-IQI agent.
As a buyer, i won't buy property from agent who lie & call buyer naïve or stupid because not buying property from them or disagreement.
You can denied it look like me but not me but everything will have track record able to find online for all your past comment.

I am sorry, i can't tolerence such person keep twist the word & terang terang lie to other.
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Sorry, it's common for people to state facts whether you see it as facts or being badmouthed at their own projects, even if they are agents of the said property.

This is what this forum is about. We talk about projects, irregardless of who are we.

Also, it's common agents to have sell several other projects by other agencies. Perfect opportunity for newbie buyer/agent to study about the environment of property agents.

All I see is buyers and agents here being triggered at people stating facts about the project which is totally against the intention of this forum.
Stop your bs.

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You seem oddly knowledgeable about the ins and outs of the agents and non agents that can/can’t market this property?
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High density is the trend moving forward as more job opportunities offered in the city, just like HK, Taipei, NY. If one can afford to stay in damansara height bungalow lot, you are the top percentage, maybe above t20 and you came to wrong forum compare yourself to the general public.

If one looking for affordable low dense, i think semenyik and rawang have plenty to offer.

End of the day, it depends on how you value your time and your money. If your time is not yout major concern and you can travel up to 2 to 3 hours a day, then you are ok to stay in low dense area, big landed space with your own garden.

If you want to stay within the action and affordable, near to one utama and Mutiara Damansara the curve area, central park Damansara may be your choice. Major relocation of HQ and offices to Mutiara Damansara area soon, if you follow closely on the news.

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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ Apr 11 2021, 03:25 PM)
Sorry, it's common for people to state facts whether you see it as facts or being badmouthed at their own projects, even if they are agents of the said property.

This is what this forum is about. We talk about projects, irregardless of who are we.

Also, it's common agents to have sell several other projects by other agencies. Perfect opportunity for newbie buyer/agent to study about the environment of property agents.

All I see is buyers and agents here being triggered at people stating facts about the project which is totally against the intention of this forum.
Stop your bs.
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Some news. Looks like you may not be keeping your greens, unless we do something about it. The Selangor government want to rezone the whole Bukit and reserve. https://www.facebook.com/1575795879305539/p...91935/?sfnsn=mo or search for Say No to DASH it is only in the stage where they're proposing, and the public can still voice rejection.

My worry is, if you allow development on top is the hill, then the place will be denuded of trees. Can be a massive risk because the back of the Damansara Central Park is so steep. Need trees to hold the soil. IMHO

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cant see any future value appreciation on this piece of land. subsale market and rental market will die as all the owner competing with over 10k unit futures here, when rental is extremely low...ppl who renting flora will all move here. Might end up with all flora ppl migrating to this CPD. Probably after vp subsales owner will let go immediately before the property price drop to hell. Yet, residential are keep launching nearby...nothing from the township impressed future buyer here. What they hear is residential block launching only lol
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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Apr 13 2021, 11:26 AM)
Some news. Looks like you may not be keeping your greens, unless we do something about it. The Selangor government want to rezone the whole Bukit and reserve.  https://www.facebook.com/1575795879305539/p...91935/?sfnsn=mo or search for Say No to DASH  it is only in the stage where they're proposing, and the public can still voice rejection.

My worry is, if you allow development on top is the hill, then the place will be denuded of trees. Can be a massive risk because the back of the Damansara Central Park is so steep. Need trees to hold the soil. IMHO
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ughh

that's got to hurt

Anyway... the correct link

https://www.facebook.com/saynotodash/
https://www.facebook.com/saynotodash/photos...48929008658880/
http://www.mbpj.gov.my/ms/draf-rtpj-2-peng...5VW53EAhpsumPw0

The entire forest reserve will be used to build residential properties.... most likely Rumawip since it is government land... or maybe they will sell it to other developer but according to DRAF RTPJ 2 v3... it will be reserved for residential..

that area is going to be jam packed with more busy highways and residential

wonder what Erictan1981 has to say about this

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http://www.mbpj.gov.my/sites/default/files...engubahan_3.pdf

Page 45

D'erica is surrounded by a temple infront.... a water utility on the side and housing on the back..

on the bright side... behind Exsim land... the government is planning to have a small plot for kawasan lapang/rekreasi..

so I guess in away... there will be a leisure place... it's just not a leisure place built within Exsim land... but a small plot of government land separating the government houses and Exsim land will be built for recreation/leisure..

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[quote=holypredator,Apr 13 2021, 01:26 PM]
ughh

that's got to hurt

Anyway... the correct link

https://www.facebook.com/saynotodash/
https://www.facebook.com/saynotodash/photos...48929008658880/
http://www.mbpj.gov.my/ms/draf-rtpj-2-peng...5VW53EAhpsumPw0

The entire forest reserve will be used to build residential properties.... most likely Rumawip since it is government land... or maybe they will sell it to other developer but according to DRAF RTPJ 2 v3... it will be reserved for residential..

that area is going to be jam packed with more busy highways and residential

wonder what Erictan1981 has to say about this
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I am curious what is related to me? You can leave whatever comment as you like or self satisfication.Whether the township sucess ,bad or good. it only can justify after 10 years period. No point to repeat on some topic again n again. It wasting time.

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[quote=Erictan1981,Apr 13 2021, 01:40 PM]
[quote=holypredator,Apr 13 2021, 01:26 PM]
ughh

that's got to hurt

Anyway... the correct link

https://www.facebook.com/saynotodash/
https://www.facebook.com/saynotodash/photos...48929008658880/
http://www.mbpj.gov.my/ms/draf-rtpj-2-peng...5VW53EAhpsumPw0

The entire forest reserve will be used to build residential properties.... most likely Rumawip since it is government land... or maybe they will sell it to other developer but according to DRAF RTPJ 2 v3... it will be reserved for residential..

that area is going to be jam packed with more busy highways and residential

wonder what Erictan1981 has to say about this
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I am curious what is related to me? You can leave whatever comment as you like. Whether the township sucess ,bad or good. it only can justify after 10 years period. No point to repeat on some topic again n again. It wasting time.
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Because you kept telling your fairy tale dream about some grand "masterplan"... even though Exsim never officially declare them..

Now got government plan... and new info released by government themselves... hence just want to get your view on that...

do you still fantasize about something that would not happen or are you willing to look at it on a more practical view now... it is up to you...

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Just to let the readers know..

That is just a peta cadangan by MBPJ.... it is not the final plan..

But it at least provides the reader some sort of idea on what might happen within the area... instead of some people here kept telling made up stories that even the developer themselves did not declare...

I always believe information is key... whether it is final or in planning stage... it has to be official...

Speculation or siok sendiri imagination would just mislead and misinform the readers...




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i totally do not have any concern.
The only concern is you. It wasting time to argue pls. I believe same for other buyer as well. They believe they have make right decision . As i said look for your best property since you have many concern.
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QUOTE(Erictan1981 @ Apr 13 2021, 01:54 PM)
i totally do not have any concern.
The only concern is you. It wasting time to argue pls. I believe same for other buyer as well. They believe they have make right decision . As i said look for your best property since you have many concern.
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Seems that even sharing of info upsets you..

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anyways, buyer should do their own research and study about this piece of land before buy...dont blindly buy becoz of address"PJ" and cheap psf in PJ. Or atleast wait the developer announce any masterplan news then decide...those fully book is a trick...you can always buy a unit if you really wanted to buy...SA will get u a unit if u confirmed buying. Cheers
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Sorry the correct link is https://www.facebook.com/1575795879305539/p...848931791991935
I think it is of concern for all residents and owners ringing the Bukit Lanjan. If you check out Bukit Lanjan itself (Google Earth), the topography is not suitable, unless the whole area is low rise bungalow, even that means a lot of trees cleared and soil erosion unless density is as low as Country Heights Damansara. There is even a concern if water drainage, there's a natural lake there. If they make it high rise residential, there will be lots of tree felling and slope cutting, and hence detrimental to both environment, health and safety

Concerned residents should block this cadangan even before it flies. Esp for residents of Damansara Central Park, Damansara Perdana, Rafflesia, ForestHill, Flora, Empire Residences, Foresta, Seresta and even Airie and Paradesa, Rustika, Tropika.

P.S. After going through the city planning report apparently the hill top of Bukit Lanjan has been zoned residential from way before. The only major change of note in April 2021 around Armanee, making it a busy area. So, you only hope is to keep a watch eye to find out if there will be any unapproved hill development or sneaky revisions to it. Currently, it is zoned low density residential. Good luck to residents around Bukit Lanjan.

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Hi everyone,

Did anyone noticed this before (see image), this is a screenshot of the Google Map: Terrain view. Why is that Google indicate the current Central Park Damansara site as two lakes? Or water bodies? Should follow up with checks

P.S. the topography of the Bukit Lanjan hill top is too sloping to have high rise residential. Maybe these are going to be low density residence like bungalow


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Hi everyone,

Did anyone noticed this before (see image), this is a screenshot of the Google Map: Terrain view. Why is that Google indicate the current Central Park Damansara site as two lakes? Or water bodies? Should follow up with checks

P.S. the topography of the Bukit Lanjan hill top is too sloping to have high rise residential. Maybe these are going to be low density residence like bungalow
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Hi there, out of topic. How to get the topography?
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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Apr 13 2021, 11:41 PM)
Hi everyone,

Did anyone noticed this before (see image), this is a screenshot of the Google Map: Terrain view. Why is that Google indicate the current Central Park Damansara site as two lakes? Or water bodies? Should follow up with checks

P.S. the topography of the Bukit Lanjan hill top is too sloping to have high rise residential. Maybe these are going to be low density residence like bungalow
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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Apr 13 2021, 10:41 PM)
Hi everyone,

Did anyone noticed this before (see image), this is a screenshot of the Google Map: Terrain view. Why is that Google indicate the current Central Park Damansara site as two lakes? Or water bodies? Should follow up with checks

P.S. the topography of the Bukit Lanjan hill top is too sloping to have high rise residential. Maybe these are going to be low density residence like bungalow
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Google map can have error also...maybe that place used to be a lake??

Also... they could easily level the land... I don't think the government plans to use their land to build bungalow... unless they are going to sell them to a developer....
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 14 2021, 06:53 PM)
Google map can have error also...maybe that place used to be a lake??

Also... they could easily level the land... I don't think the government plans to use their land to build bungalow... unless they are going to sell them to a developer....
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That area is now for all the D projects. The other lake is in front of the Forest Hill so no changes most likely.
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Think it's an error on Google side. It wasn't there before. Maybe someone can email google to get the answer
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QUOTE(JonathanIB @ Apr 14 2021, 04:44 PM)
Hi there, out of topic. How to get the topography?
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It's free, use Google maps , then switch to terrain view. Google maps 3D view on desktop (or Google Earth app on phone) also gives you a 3D perspective of the terrain and topography.

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 14 2021, 06:53 PM)
Google map can have error also...maybe that place used to be a lake??

Also... they could easily level the land... I don't think the government plans to use their land to build bungalow... unless they are going to sell them to a developer....
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The land and residential plots "orange color" belong to MK Land Holdings or their subsidiary Saujana Triangle. The only ones that are "government" are the dark green "square" that's suppose to be the remaining "forest reserve".

If you check the Google Maps, you find that the big mansion on top of Bukit Lanjan (up there behind Damansara Central Park), that belongs the head honcho Tan Sri Mustapha Kamal or Tan Sri Emkay.

In fact the Damansara Central Park began life as a joint venture between Mammoth Empire and MK Land back in 2015, my guess is the land is then sold to Mammoth Empire, which then sold it off to Exsim.

MK Land gained the whole Damansara Perdana landbank after the orang asli here is "relocated". Look for Desa Temuan in DP. These bungalows are supposed to be compensation to the orang asli. The story goes some of orang asli don't even want to stay at these bungalows.

How Emkay got this far piece of land, we wouldn't know, since decades ago, we don't have internet. What I do know is that Emkay was a Selangor land officer, before "moving" to work for a short while in property, then start food business and then finally setup this MK Land

Flora Damansara is developed by MK Land, along with the PJ trade centre "BATA building", the posh"er" Rafflesia, Armanee, and the Metropolitan Square, etc.

I read that was in financial difficulties in early 2000s, also heard of bankruptcies for their Australian group, also problems with Armanee 2. Probably why Mammoth Empire went into play with Empire Damansara, Empire Residences and Empire City (this one not sure if it was MK land's)

We also know what went on through the years of pain with Mammoth Empire and all the Empire branded developments.

Anyway, last I checked MK Land is not in the best shape, but way better than Mammoth Empire. Back in 2018 I read MK Land has issues with unpaid taxes (case in court with LHDN), also read about 100s of millions of unsold in Rafflesia and Armanee 2 combined (2017). Not much news or movements for MK Land and it's Damansara Perdana landbank

The latest MBPJ seems to indicate some new activity, with schools and public services proposed next to Rafflesia. maybe MK Land is gearing up to cut down Bukit Lanjan trees and make Bungalows in the next couple of years. if not why MBPJ is intetested in placing new schools and even public services so deep inside Damansara Perdana.

DASH is also going online soon. With its completion, maybe they can even argue for higher density development along Damansara Perdana. But who knows?

Kesian Foresta and Seresta who will at one point will lose hat trees and forest reserve view.

At least it seems from the MBPJ proposal that the "heights" behind Damansara Central Park will be parkland and one plot for residential.


https://www.malaysiapropertynews.com/2011/0...-damansara.html

http://www.mbpj.gov.my/ms/draf-rtpj-2-pengubahan-3


These are good case study to get learnings, for new home buyers and new property owners
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=80793147

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=98384027


P.S. I finally have a chance to pour over the latest MBPJ Draf RTPJ2 (Draf Rancangan Tempatan PJ 2), here are some useful screenshots with information for home buyers / investors looking at the Damansara Center Park - cadangan (meaning much of this plan is a proposal, and residents can voice their rejection - bantahan


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Also found more info about the temple. http://lungmu.blogspot.com

https://m.facebook.com/LungMuTempleMalaysia/


Also found more interesting backstory and current status for the Temuan Orang Asli, the original owners of Damansara Perdana and Bukit Lanjan https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/artic...877042812010828. Interesting read of the location's history

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It's free, use Google maps , then switch to terrain view. Google maps 3D view on desktop (or Google Earth app on phone) also gives you a 3D perspective of the terrain and topography.
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P.S. I finally have a chance to pour over the latest MBPJ Draf RTPJ2 (Draf Rancangan Tempatan PJ 2), here are some useful screenshots with information for home buyers / investors looking at the Damansara Center Park -

Interested residents of PJ and Damansara Perdana should know that this is a cadangan (meaning, much of this plan is in proposal stage, concerned residents, or residents who thinks the plan is against their interest, can voice their rejection through submissions to MBPJ - bantahan here http://www.mbpj.gov.my/ms/draf-rtpj-2-pengubahan-3 (6 April-6 May 2021)

More information about the Residential planning that Damansara Centre Park home buyers/investors might be interested in

Curiously, the official planning images in the draf RTPJ2 calls the residential plots (pink color) behind the Damansara Centre Park location as "cadangan" - as this is draf still proposal stage, I think residents, if rejects this, can still lodge an objection (bantahan) if they want to keep the forest reserve

Does it really matter? as the cadangan seems to already been crystalised in the draf. IMHO, it is your right. You are a resident, and you pay the various taxes and fees to the Selangor government/town councils - e.g. assessment tax, various compounds, licenses, rents, bookings, deposits, various bills and grass cutting bill, etc.

So just for the record - so that the Selangor politicians and town councilors know that is is a highly unpopular (or popular) their cadangan is

Sometimes it works, just google to look for to the popular movement that stopped KIDEX proposed elevated 4 lane highway cutting through the old PJ residential areas, because KIDEX failed to adhere to local standards for town planning, safety, social wellbeing, pollution and environment


Make informed choices! this is my best advice for homebuyers or investors. Do you homework. Because your income and your investments are all from your blood, sweat and toil. Make sure your investment counts

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"Based on documents sighted by The Edge, Exsim plans to build 20 blocks of office buildings of between 28 and 49 storeys, five blocks of serviced apartments of 39 to 49 storeys and six blocks of affordable apartments of 43 to 47 storeys. Also on the cards is an auditorium, retail units, a hotel and a private educational institution."

This quote is from an article from 2019.

There is an office oversupply now though.
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QUOTE(flight @ Apr 15 2021, 04:55 PM)
"Based on documents sighted by The Edge, Exsim plans to build 20 blocks of office buildings of between 28 and 49 storeys, five blocks of serviced apartments of 39 to 49 storeys and six blocks of affordable apartments of 43 to 47 storeys. Also on the cards is an auditorium, retail units, a hotel and a private educational institution."

This quote is from an article from 2019.

There is an office oversupply now though.
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Already discussed this before. Nothing has been confirmed yet. Everything is still in propose stage
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Already discussed this before. Nothing has been confirmed yet. Everything is still in propose stage
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Since the residential phase is already on the way, the office phase should be next.
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I think the biggest concern for D'erica now is (Apart from the already mentioned surrounding issues)...

is the blue thing next to it.... the report shows a water utility.... if it is a sewage treatment then it would be bad...
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QUOTE(flight @ Apr 15 2021, 04:55 PM)
"Based on documents sighted by The Edge, Exsim plans to build 20 blocks of office buildings of between 28 and 49 storeys, five blocks of serviced apartments of 39 to 49 storeys and six blocks of affordable apartments of 43 to 47 storeys. Also on the cards is an auditorium, retail units, a hotel and a private educational institution."

This quote is from an article from 2019.

There is an office oversupply now though.
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6 blocks of low cost apartments would change the demographics quite a lot to be honest...
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Apr 25 2021, 11:29 PM)
6 blocks of low cost apartments would change the demographics quite a lot to be honest...
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Don’t forget there’s already flora there.

The whole area will be absurdly packed and very, very high in density.
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Second hand development and people betting on exsim's reputation of z series on d series.

Will you look at these green chives.

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QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Apr 15 2021, 05:04 PM)
Already discussed this before. Nothing has been confirmed yet. Everything is still in propose stage
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Right.. Shall I quote the approved signboard outside of the immediate construction site?

1) 5 blocks serviced apartments (1,426 units) and SOHO (1,158 units)
2) 6 blocks of serviced apartments (2,136 units) and affordable housing (1,845 units)

A whooping 6.6k units is approved to be built in this area by 1 developer. I thought M Vertica and RC Residence was crazy but this really takes the cake...
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QUOTE(zack.gap @ Apr 27 2021, 03:10 AM)
Right.. Shall I quote the approved signboard outside of the immediate construction site?

1) 5 blocks serviced apartments (1,426 units) and SOHO (1,158 units)
2) 6 blocks of serviced apartments (2,136 units) and affordable housing (1,845 units)

A whooping 6.6k units is approved to be built in this area by 1 developer. I thought M Vertica and RC Residence was crazy but this really takes the cake...
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3.9k units of first 4 residential phases included into 6.6k unit numbers?


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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ Apr 27 2021, 03:18 AM)
3.9k units of first 4 residential phases included into 6.6k unit numbers?
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https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019...ara-condominium

just want to know... flora damansara area is filled with Africans and foreigners?

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 27 2021, 11:27 PM)
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019...ara-condominium

just want to know... flora damansara area is filled with Africans or foreigners?
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Africans are also foreigners ... Hurmmm
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Apr 27 2021, 11:28 PM)
Africans are also foreigners ... Hurmmm
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sorry... meant to say africans and other foreigners like middle east... bangla etc.

any reason why Africans are there??

I know the entire area is filled with low cost flats... but why are these africans there?? are they students?? are they workers??
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 27 2021, 11:30 PM)
sorry... meant to say africans and other foreigners like middle east... bangla etc.

any reason why Africans are there??

I know the entire area is filled with low cost flats... but why are these africans there?? are they students?? are they workers??
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Mostly with student visas... and all over klang valley
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Apr 27 2021, 11:32 PM)
Mostly with student visas... and all over klang valley
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But there's no university within walking distance and there's no transportation around that area... hence quite a surprise if foreign student stay there..
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But there's no university within walking distance and there's no transportation around that area... hence quite a surprise if foreign student stay there..
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yes, quite some african to be honest. Student, some rented car but mostly grab.
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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ Apr 27 2021, 03:18 AM)
3.9k units of first 4 residential phases included into 6.6k unit numbers?
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Just want to point out that damansara central park is larger in land size than bangsar south.

61 acres in dcp to 60 acres in bangsar south.
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Just want to point out that damansara central park is larger in land size than bangsar south.

61 acres in dcp to 60 acres in bangsar south.
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Lol, this project is apparently very popular. Why r there so many negative comments?
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 27 2021, 11:27 PM)
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019...ara-condominium

just want to know... flora damansara area is filled with Africans and foreigners?
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btw there's a mosque just in front of D'vervaine and d'quince...pretty sure D'erica residents can hear the religious activity as well!! and all other resident in other phases!!! and phase 14 is another affordable housing apartment, just in front of mosque..Imagine the traffic!! you were right all along!!

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Fifth residential block is called d'clover. Just launched recently.

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ May 5 2021, 06:05 PM)
btw there's a mosque just in front of D'vervaine and d'quince...pretty sure D'erica residents can hear the religious activity as well!! and all other resident in other phases!!! and phase 4 is another affordable housing apartment, just in front of mosque..Imagine the traffic!! you were right all along!!

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Hi, do you have the full picture?
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no tak ada full picture...

but as you can see, there will be 14 phases in total..

Phase 1 - Phase 8 are all residential including Phase 14 the affordable housing...

only 5 phases are reserved for commercial developments..maybe even lesser

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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ May 5 2021, 09:43 PM)
no tak ada full picture...

but as you can see, there will be 14 phases in total..

Phase 1 - Phase 8 are all residential including Phase 14 the affordable housing...

only 5 phases are reserved for commercial developments..maybe even lesser
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QUOTE(Oklahoma @ May 5 2021, 06:05 PM)
btw there's a mosque just in front of D'vervaine and d'quince...pretty sure D'erica residents can hear the religious activity as well!! and all other resident in other phases!!! and phase 14 is another affordable housing apartment, just in front of mosque..Imagine the traffic!! you were right all along!!

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A bit pity for those who bought Phase 1-3 then, especially those paying above RM1mil. Next to highway, next to mosque (for some segments of the community ya , some welcome it), and now sandwiched between two high density low cost housing apartment blocks ...

But nothing is ever set in stone until it's approved and built. Let's see how the story unfolds...
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QUOTE(gooroojee @ May 5 2021, 11:28 PM)
A bit pity for those who bought Phase 1-3 then, especially those paying above RM1mil. Next to highway, next to mosque (for some segments of the community ya , some welcome it), and now sandwiched between two high density low cost housing apartment blocks ...

But nothing is ever set in stone until it's approved and built. Let's see how the story unfolds...
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Affordable housing like rumahwip and ppa1m is definitely confirmed.. government now wants the B40 to stay with M40 and above...many condo project now got affordable housing attached on similar block. Is a initiative by the government to help assimilate B40 and M40...

Mosque...seeing the amount of residential in this area, is a good opportunity for religious activity...so may also be confirmed...

All in all, this is a >10,000+ units, super duper high dense place including flora Damansara...

I'm very scared of this area..

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Phase 5 and RSKU/LPHS unit RM270K is open for registration biggrin.gif
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last time another agent told me will no longer have RSKU/LPHS in new phase hmm.gif
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its going to be little hong kong, but with india population there lol
i bet many previous phase buyer regretting now
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QUOTE(shinimi @ May 6 2021, 09:26 AM)
last time another agent told me will no longer have RSKU/LPHS in new phase hmm.gif
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when agents want to close your case, whatever havent confirm also he say its true 1..last time they said there will be hotels and water park....now mana? haha
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I don't understand why people always like to quote what their agents say....

"My agent say this" "My agent say that"...

Property agents main goal is to sell you the units.... what makes you think he/she tells you the truth??

Even sales rep from developer may lie but they do it very carefully in a way that you can't hold them liable.... meaning to say they will always say it is possible but not guaranteed... plus... they are representing the developer hence they still have to protect the developer reputation

3rd party agents on the other hand... many times would straight up lie and guarantee things that won't happen to give you that "confidence" to seal the deal... they don't really have any reputation to protect since they are basically just individuals getting comm from selling the property... plus....what is said or whatever is extrinsic from the property itself is not legally binding in any form anyway...

The typical ROI is one of the most common bullshit they use to sell the property.... so why surprise when they lie ??

But 1 thing for sure.... both sales rep or 3rd party agents won't tell you the bad details.... you don't expect them to tell you negative points when their goal is selling the unit to you right??

Hence this is where the forum comes in... people who live in that area... people who had past experiences with the developer... and people who did extensive research ... getting sources from city municipality... surveying the surrounding area etc... will give you a good insight on whether the property fits you or not...

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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 7 2021, 10:59 AM)
I don't understand why people always like to quote what their agents say....

"My agent say this" "My agent say that"...

Property agents main goal is to sell you the units.... what makes you think he/she tells you the truth??

Even sales rep from developer may lie but they do it very carefully in a way that you can't hold them liable.... meaning to say they will always say it is possible but not guaranteed... plus... they are representing the developer hence they still have to protect the developer reputation

3rd party agents on the other hand... many times would straight up lie and guarantee things that won't happen to give you that "confidence" to seal the deal... they don't really have any reputation to protect since they are basically just individuals getting comm from selling the property... plus....what is said or whatever is extrinsic from the property itself is not legally binding in any form anyway...

The typical ROI is one of the most common bullshit they use to sell the property.... so why surprise when they lie and try to turn anything that is bad into something that is good??

But 1 thing for sure.... both sales rep or 3rd party agents won't tell you the bad details....  you don't expect them to tell you negative points when their goal is selling the unit to you right??

Hence this is where the forum comes in... people who live in that area... people who had past experiences with the developer... and people who did extensive research ... getting sources from city municipality... surveying the surrounding area etc... will give you a good insight on whether the property fits you or not...
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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 7 2021, 10:59 AM)
I don't understand why people always like to quote what their agents say....

"My agent say this" "My agent say that"...

Property agents main goal is to sell you the units.... what makes you think he/she tells you the truth??

Even sales rep from developer may lie but they do it very carefully in a way that you can't hold them liable.... meaning to say they will always say it is possible but not guaranteed... plus... they are representing the developer hence they still have to protect the developer reputation

3rd party agents on the other hand... many times would straight up lie and guarantee things that won't happen to give you that "confidence" to seal the deal... they don't really have any reputation to protect since they are basically just individuals getting comm from selling the property... plus....what is said or whatever is extrinsic from the property itself is not legally binding in any form anyway...

The typical ROI is one of the most common bullshit they use to sell the property.... so why surprise when they lie ??

But 1 thing for sure.... both sales rep or 3rd party agents won't tell you the bad details....  you don't expect them to tell you negative points when their goal is selling the unit to you right??

Hence this is where the forum comes in... people who live in that area... people who had past experiences with the developer... and people who did extensive research ... getting sources from city municipality... surveying the surrounding area etc... will give you a good insight on whether the property fits you or not...
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You are totally right, I hope more people question what agents say. I had my doubt when the total units of LPHS/RSKU from DV and DQ doesn't add up to the number showed in the plan from gov website.

The sad thing is most people prefer to hear good things more than bad things.

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I'm more curious though... apparently there should be a direct access somewhere? where is it? Even in the new development plans from the MBPJ... there's no mentioned to this at all.

Don't tell me its that sky bridge to empire confused.gif
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One SA contacted me for 270K 2 b+1room..
Price looks ok ?

Is it worth ?

Not really for investment . But incase for investment ? . Will it be ok :think:
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QUOTE(shinimi @ May 6 2021, 09:26 AM)
last time another agent told me will no longer have RSKU/LPHS in new phase hmm.gif
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agent say hahahaha
no ppl can guarantee future thing tho, that's why buying a project around empty land is a risk
you duno what they will build next
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QUOTE(testwwh @ May 6 2021, 10:04 AM)
its going to be little hong kong, but with india population there lol
i bet many previous phase buyer regretting now
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I think so too.
That time early phase even agent don't know what will be there.
Well given the lowest price point in PJ, dollar for value
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QUOTE(razerS @ May 8 2021, 03:28 PM)
One SA contacted me for 270K 2 b+1room..
Price looks ok ?

Is it worth ?

Not really for investment . But incase for investment ? . Will it be ok :think:
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given the price by Exsim, is attractive.

it can't be sell in 5 years.
U need stay awhile first maybe.

own stay ok 1 i think
investment not so.
Equal condition means you have no special offer, why do people choose your units compare to the other?
Unless you cut price
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QUOTE(razerS @ May 8 2021, 03:28 PM)
One SA contacted me for 270K 2 b+1room..
Price looks ok ?

Is it worth ?

Not really for investment . But incase for investment ? . Will it be ok :think:
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Just imagine all unit are same, all also using IKEA deco/fitting next time, then same price, who will get their unit rented out first?
THE LOWEST PRICE or THE NICER FURNITURE one for sure.
So another saying is price war when there is too many units.
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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 7 2021, 10:59 AM)
I don't understand why people always like to quote what their agents say....

"My agent say this" "My agent say that"...

Property agents main goal is to sell you the units.... what makes you think he/she tells you the truth??

Even sales rep from developer may lie but they do it very carefully in a way that you can't hold them liable.... meaning to say they will always say it is possible but not guaranteed... plus... they are representing the developer hence they still have to protect the developer reputation

3rd party agents on the other hand... many times would straight up lie and guarantee things that won't happen to give you that "confidence" to seal the deal... they don't really have any reputation to protect since they are basically just individuals getting comm from selling the property... plus....what is said or whatever is extrinsic from the property itself is not legally binding in any form anyway...

The typical ROI is one of the most common bullshit they use to sell the property.... so why surprise when they lie ??

But 1 thing for sure.... both sales rep or 3rd party agents won't tell you the bad details....  you don't expect them to tell you negative points when their goal is selling the unit to you right??

Hence this is where the forum comes in... people who live in that area... people who had past experiences with the developer... and people who did extensive research ... getting sources from city municipality... surveying the surrounding area etc... will give you a good insight on whether the property fits you or not...
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Can't say all agent is like that la, i did told my client bad things first before going to good and positive stuff one. haha
goal is to sell unit, YES but i dont want get blame and scold or curse for rest of my life.

BUT TO THIS :Hence this is where the forum comes in... people who live in that area... people who had past experiences with the developer... and people who did extensive research ... getting sources from city municipality... surveying the surrounding area etc... will give you a good insight on whether the property fits you or not...

I agreed. Coz i always ask client do some own homework also, before you come sales gallery.
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QUOTE(razerS @ May 8 2021, 03:28 PM)
One SA contacted me for 270K 2 b+1room..
Price looks ok ?

Is it worth ?

Not really for investment . But incase for investment ? . Will it be ok :think:
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Competing with hundreds of identical units, will be big price war of who's willing to bleed the most.

And potential tenant pool for this area will be small, because it's not very accessible via public transport 😅 means can't capitalise on students/young working adults without car who are a big percentage of tenants.
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 9 2021, 12:15 AM)
Competing with hundreds of identical units, will be big price war of who's willing to bleed the most.

And potential tenant pool for this area will be small, because it's not very accessible via public transport 😅 means can't capitalise on students/young working adults without car who are a big percentage of tenants.
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dont have any public transport facilities nearby in this project ?

or maybe in future plan ?
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dont have any public transport facilities nearby in this project ?

or maybe in future plan ?
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No future plan for public transport?

The nearest station is Surian at Mutiara Damansara.
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No future plan for public transport?

The nearest station is Surian at Mutiara Damansara.
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Nope bro, the nearest station is at mutiara damansara, sation name is mutiara damansasra
surian station is at kota damansara near sunway giza there
no plan for this cpd to any mrt...you need atleast drive to there like 2-4km distance
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QUOTE(aboden95 @ May 11 2021, 12:01 PM)
Nope bro, the nearest station is at mutiara damansara, sation name is mutiara damansasra
surian station is at kota damansara near sunway giza there
no plan for this cpd to any mrt...you need atleast drive to there like 2-4km distance
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hahaha. I totally forgot the name. That's my mistake. I don't use it at all although I am staying nearby. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(digitalz @ May 11 2021, 12:07 PM)
hahaha. I totally forgot the name. That's my mistake. I don't use it at all although I am staying nearby.  tongue.gif
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yeah but if u r future tenant here if you have easy way to access public transport is better because in the future there will be like 10 thousand units of ppl using the same road everyday...and your road is just 1 or 2 lane...imagine 20% of ppl driving at the same time..it shud be around 2 k ppl on the road..let just minus half...maybe 2ppl 1 car....then 1thousand car on the road outside ur building d. xD
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QUOTE(aboden95 @ May 11 2021, 12:11 PM)
yeah but if u r future tenant here if you have easy way to access public transport is better because in the future there will be like 10 thousand units of ppl using the same road everyday...and your road is just 1 or 2 lane...imagine 20% of ppl driving at the same time..it shud be around 2 k ppl on the road..let just minus half...maybe 2ppl 1 car....then 1thousand car on the road outside ur building d. xD
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Now is already crazy enough. Raining days, working days, from Damansara Perdana to Ikea itself can take 1 hour+. Personal experience. The traffic light below DASH is cannot and will not move at all.

MCO / EMCO / CMCO still okay since more people WFH. So it will be worse after the whole project is completed.
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QUOTE(digitalz @ May 11 2021, 12:25 PM)
Now is already crazy enough. Raining days, working days, from Damansara Perdana to Ikea itself can take 1 hour+. Personal experience. The traffic light below DASH is cannot and will not move at all.

MCO / EMCO / CMCO still okay since more people WFH. So it will be worse after the whole project is completed.
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currently the road is not completed, future road access ...in and out will be different way i guess? but still...the road size is fixed...but the number of people will get increase time by time. With the number of affordable home there...1 unit only 1 car park...surely will double park outside the road if no1 jaga..then will be a nightmare like kayu ara lol
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They just launched a new low cost phase under LPHS. right next to the mosque, D'vervain, d'quince. 550ft max 270k. More density coming up
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QUOTE(iskandawr @ May 11 2021, 12:54 PM)
They just launched a new low cost phase under LPHS. right next to the mosque, D'vervain, d'quince. 550ft max 270k. More density coming up
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was it whole block of 550ft? how many units of this phase?
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QUOTE(aboden95 @ May 11 2021, 12:55 PM)
was it whole block of 550ft? how many units of this phase?
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Whole tower will be 550sf, total 1400 units. They haven't got name yet, but my SA contacted for early registration
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QUOTE(iskandawr @ May 11 2021, 01:01 PM)
Whole tower will be 550sf, total 1400 units. They haven't got name yet, but my SA contacted for early registration
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holy shit haha i wonder if previous phase buyer started regretting or not blink.gif
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QUOTE(aboden95 @ May 11 2021, 01:03 PM)
holy shit haha i wonder if previous phase buyer started regretting or not  blink.gif
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I think if they are okay with the city environment should be fine. Plus Exsim said they will still allocate x percent for greeneries and park. But for me who still ganjeong about high density, now that I hear there's gonna be more, I think can close my case dy. I will only purchase here for investment
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QUOTE(iskandawr @ May 11 2021, 01:06 PM)
I think if they are okay with the city environment should be fine. Plus Exsim said they will still allocate x percent for greeneries and park. But for me who still ganjeong about high density, now that I hear there's gonna be more, I think can close my case dy. I will only purchase here for investment
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i dont think with the density here is suitable for invesment, yeah maybe many ppl will want to rent here becoz rental will be god damn cheap in future....good for ppl who want to rent a unit...but bad for owner who rented out with lower rate in order to compete with other investor. Hmm...and 550ft is not allowed to rent out within certain amount of time..but too many unit there...management confirm cannot do anything d..might close one eye open one eye lol
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huh sound so terrible.

cant imagine after 5-6 years all building completed there =.="

yes Exism promised will build new road la but still hard for so high density.
everyone owning a car, i mean including 19 years old - 24 years old student or fresh graduated, they driving "family car" , probably XD

like we previously talk, lets say 10,000 units there.

imagine how busy the road in the specific time.
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QUOTE(aboden95 @ May 11 2021, 01:10 PM)
i dont think with the density here is suitable for invesment, yeah maybe many ppl will want to rent here becoz rental will be god damn cheap in future....good for ppl who want to rent a unit...but bad for owner who rented out with lower rate in order to compete with other investor. Hmm...and 550ft is not allowed to rent out within certain amount of time..but too many unit there...management confirm cannot do anything d..might close one eye open one eye lol
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they are already competing with the existing projects. Perdana exclusive, Metropolitan Square, Neo, Ritze etc etc etc. Those are near to the shops too.
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QUOTE(digitalz @ May 11 2021, 01:55 PM)
they are already competing with the existing projects. Perdana exclusive, Metropolitan Square, Neo, Ritze etc etc etc. Those are near to the shops too.
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old project lagi mati, if you're person who looking to rent a unit to stay...would you prefer old apartments or newly VP unit? blink.gif
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QUOTE(weiilunz @ May 11 2021, 01:43 PM)
huh sound so terrible.

cant imagine after 5-6 years all building completed there =.="

yes Exism promised will build new road la but still hard for so high density.
everyone owning a car, i mean including 19 years old - 24 years old student or fresh graduated, they driving "family car" , probably XD

like we previously talk, lets say 10,000 units there.

imagine how busy the road in the specific time.
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yeah, simple calculation for the traffic...after you're out of this CPD..then continue stuck at LDP mega_shok.gif
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QUOTE(aboden95 @ May 11 2021, 02:48 PM)
old project lagi mati, if you're person who looking to rent a unit to stay...would you prefer old apartments or newly VP unit?  blink.gif
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other way round. If you are a student/working adult and you depend on walking distance for a lot of stuff such as 99/kk/kopitiams etc, would you prefer walking distance to all the shops or something else? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(digitalz @ May 11 2021, 02:55 PM)
other way round. If you are a student/working adult and you depend on walking distance for a lot of stuff such as 99/kk/kopitiams etc, would you prefer walking distance to all the shops or something else?  tongue.gif
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you got your point here! but still, it really depends on ppl needs...some ppl likes convinient, some ppl likes new. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(iskandawr @ May 11 2021, 12:54 PM)
They just launched a new low cost phase under LPHS. right next to the mosque, D'vervain, d'quince. 550ft max 270k. More density coming up
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Where to find more information?
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Went to the showroom few weeks ago. The glitz and glamour deco was great but the hoards of real estate agents, and the super packed masterplan was immediate turn-off. Really can't imagine once the area is all built up. The roads will be jam-packed.
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well, exsim just over confident ... 1st time do timeship, go big or go home...they only care the succeed of delivery....after delivered to all the buyer then they say byebye...what ever gonna happen to this township they wont care anymore je, simple
god bless to buyer here..i dont think u will have good lifestyle here with the crowd
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QUOTE(aboden95 @ May 11 2021, 01:03 PM)
holy shit haha i wonder if previous phase buyer started regretting or not  blink.gif
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the existing 4 already very packed plus flora. I no expect they will launch one more. Regretting now, at night cannot sleep.
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QUOTE(creepyo @ May 12 2021, 03:01 PM)
the existing 4 already very packed plus flora. I no expect they will launch one more. Regretting now, at night cannot sleep.
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i wonder how many township project incoming in KL/PJ area ?

is that majority township project will failed due to over-crowded/high density ?
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i wonder how many township project incoming in KL/PJ area ?

is that majority township project will failed due to over-crowded/high density ?
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Not many is succeed, they keep say refer to bangsar or bangsar south etc..they r high density but they r very success, but come on la..ppl got alot rich ppl there and job opportunities. what exsim have here? 70% is residential...30% is what? u wont know...who knows they launch residential until phase 10...then only 2 block with 10 stories commercial. End up more ppl from flora migrate to there. Not to be sacrastic...future this place what ppl also have..rojak....ah beng ah kao also can afford to stay here.
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Thank goodness I didn’t buy this.

Crazy absurd density. There’s no way the place can cope with all the units being built there.

Don’t listen to the sale agent, GO TO THE SITE and see for yourself.
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instead of looking at density...I'm more curious why flora damansara is filled with foreigners... particularly black people...

and every year there is some shit going on in the area reported in the news...

This issue affects the living condition there especially if the gov decides to build more low cost apartments there


https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019...ara-condominium
https://www.thesundaily.my/local/a-group-of...nsara-FB1164304
https://www.nst.com.my/news/2015/10/police-...g-case-suspects
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2017/09/...rican-community
https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...amansara-197563

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"no wonder the selling price is rm 580/sf after discount ?"

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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 15 2021, 11:47 AM)
instead of looking at density...I'm more curious why flora damansara is filled with foreigners... particularly black people...

and every year there is some shit going on in the area reported in the news...

This issue affects the living condition there especially if the gov decides to build more low cost apartments there
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2019...ara-condominium
https://www.thesundaily.my/local/a-group-of...nsara-FB1164304
https://www.nst.com.my/news/2015/10/police-...g-case-suspects
https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2017/09/...rican-community
https://www.astroawani.com/berita-malaysia/...amansara-197563
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Because flora is cheap. Simple.

This D’series is also going to be cheap, with the affordable housing prices at 270k.

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Don’t listen to any agents or Keyboard warriors.
Do your own surveys & prepare for the risk with the price & decide by your own whether to buy or not buy, so you wont regret /blaming others after you buy or not buy.

Below is the Central Park Damansara Landscape Artist Impression.


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QUOTE(PSW0704 @ May 24 2021, 04:57 PM)
Don’t listen to any agents or Keyboard warriors.
Do your own surveys & prepare for the risk with the price & decide by your own whether to buy or not buy, so you wont regret /blaming others after you buy or not buy.

Below is the Central Park Damansara Landscape Artist Impression.
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nice , this open for public ? or only Exsim D series owner can enter ?
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QUOTE(PSW0704 @ May 24 2021, 04:57 PM)
Don’t listen to any agents or Keyboard warriors.
Do your own surveys & prepare for the risk with the price & decide by your own whether to buy or not buy, so you wont regret /blaming others after you buy or not buy.

Below is the Central Park Damansara Landscape Artist Impression.
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Is the central park confirmed though? i dont think the dev committed anything in black and white right?
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QUOTE(PSW0704 @ May 24 2021, 04:57 PM)
Don’t listen to any agents or Keyboard warriors.
Do your own surveys & prepare for the risk with the price & decide by your own whether to buy or not buy, so you wont regret /blaming others after you buy or not buy.

Below is the Central Park Damansara Landscape Artist Impression.
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Artist Impression.... any idea where does these pictures come from??

Exsim official site and their individual projects sites did not use any of these pictures...

Reverse google image search seems to show only property agents are using them....

Also... can't find the source of it or if it is done by any of the architectural firms...

as far as validity of these pictures are concerned... it could probably be produced by the property agent because there are only sketches and no blueprints found at all...

it doesn't cost much to pay some designing studio or even students to produce sketches... (also... waterfall.. wetland... adventure park??)

so you think the developer would just somehow not use these "grand landscaping development" that doesn't produce profit as part of their marketing plan to sell the 4 phases projects introduced... you think EXISM would just "secretly" plan all these with no benefit whatsoever to give the buyers a nice add-on/surprise after all the projects have been completed/Sold...??


To put things into perspective... the following are the artist impression for SJCC drawn by Benoy Architect (singapore top architecture firm)....

https://www.behance.net/gallery/41522185/Be...ity-Centre-2015

The artist impressions are not drawn for the sake of drawing... the blueprints are all presented and that was Sime Darby vision back in early 2010's planning stage...

The plan did not go through and Sime engaged other architects to develop the land individually instead...


In short.... even an official master plan sketch can just be discarded as the developer see fit... let alone some "artist impression" without blue print and wasn't even published by the developer is going to be something for buying consideration doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

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I'm a bit worried with all the new surrounding developments. Initially, my unit suppose to face the mountain/hills. Now the law firm asking me to come back and re-sign the bank loan docs. Is it wise to proceed with purchase?
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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 25 2021, 02:05 AM)
Artist Impression.... any idea where does these pictures come from??

Exsim official site and their individual projects sites did not use any of these pictures...

Reverse google search seems to show only property agents are using them....

Also... can't find the source of it or if it is done by any of the architectural firms...

as far as validity of these pictures are concerned... it could probably be produced by the property agent because there are only sketches and no blueprints found at all...

it doesn't cost much to pay some designing studio or even students to produce sketches... (also... waterfall.. wetland... adventure park??)

so you think the developer would just somehow not use these "grand landscaping development" that doesn't produce profit as part of their marketing plan to sell the 4 phases projects introduced... you think EXISM would just "secretly" plan all these with no benefit whatsoever to give the buyers a nice add-on/surprise after all the projects have been completed...??
To put things into perspective... the following are the artist impression for SJCC drawn by Benoy Architect (singapore top architecture firm)....

https://www.behance.net/gallery/41522185/Be...ity-Centre-2015

The artist impressions are not drawn for the sake of drawing... the blueprints are all presented and that was Sime Darby vision back in early 2010's planning stage...

The plan DID not go through and Sime engaged other architects to develop the land individually instead...
In short.... even an official master plan sketch can just be discarded as the developer see fit... let alone some "artist impression" without blue print and wasn't even published by the developer is going to be something for buying consideration  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif
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To add on to this, in your SPA, public and common areas are not subject to the same requirements as your unit. Developers are legally not in the wrong if they construct the common and public areas as they see fit based on budget, time constraints etc.
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There were concerns from buyers when Bangsar South was developed with high density many years ago. It was a mixture of Commercial and Residential. Yes, their concerns are valid due to the sheer number of units.

Fast forward now to 2021. Any issue? My schoolmate is one of the buyers in a condo there. He said traffic is nothing abnormal even during peak hours. The developer did a good job in the planning. Properties there appreciated a lot.

I think D'erica and the other phases will be another bangsar South but BETTER cos of the Location and infra structure coupled with the exciting CENTRAL PARK.

The new busy commercial area is away from the Condos. Also 1Utama and The Curve are merely 3-5 mins drive...depending how fast or slow you drive.

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Don't know why but people like to conveniently forget the differences between bangsar south and empire damansara when these differences can make or break a mixed development.

Bangsar south has a lot more catalysts to succeed:
1) Within KL city centre, undeniably largest market for office space
2) Accessible through public transport
3) Good timing, launched before 2008 and appreciate during the property bullrun

It is just a stone throw away of bangsar, midvalley and kl sentral.
Why do people think both locations can fight with each other?
Why don't we take a look at pusat bandar damansara? Office space taken? Yes. Mall? Dc mall kinda dead.

Conclusion? Don't keep beating the dead horse, empire city is levels below bangsar south.
I don't think there is no chance for appreciation but will take quite awhile.

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yes, please do not compare bangsar south and this cpd. The main factor that drives succeed of bangsar south is not residential condos or apartments, it has alot MNC and full of offices building..drives alot job opportunities. The more ppl work there the more ppl want to stay there coz of convinient. Not to mention about public transport as well. Which township will be more success if u compare (full of offices vs full of residential) township?
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What will happen to bangsar south today if there are no office building there? Yeah the residential in bangsar south is alot too, but what if bangsar south only have residential nearby...will it be still dai kor as today?
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One of the biggest difference between B.South and DP is the public transport. The connection wise is very important. The link bridge itself is so important to a lot of people working at the offices there. 1 link bridge makes tons of difference.

In Empire, "close" to public transport doesn't mean that its really walking distance. If you've got your own ride, then it's fine. If not, then the appeal drops slightly.
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QUOTE(testwwh @ May 25 2021, 03:36 PM)
What will happen to bangsar south today if there are no office building there? Yeah the residential in bangsar south is alot too, but what if bangsar south only have residential nearby...will it be still dai kor as today?
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It has residential and commercial today, so hypothetically assuming there is no commercial there is just dreaming.

However, bangsar south doesn't launch residential as rapid as empire city, that's for sure.
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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 25 2021, 03:02 PM)
It has residential and commercial today, so hypothetically assuming there is no commercial there is just dreaming.

However, bangsar south doesn't launch residential as rapid as empire city, that's for sure.
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right? CPD itself 10k density, that havent include empire city side....empire soho, myloft..mossaz etc. Yup, its near to 1u,ikea, the curve. But so what? going to 1u might take you 45minutes HAHA

and now agent came up with some lake forest artistic, exsim themself does not announce anything yet then those agent already telling oh you have this you have that! just buy la confirm worth 1. Previously what hotel what lake or water park all is just blowing air only. If developer itself din announce anything then dont believe, u cant study or research anything online too because there are no official statement stated they will include anything in your township.

Worse case, developer having cash flow problem (which very likely will happen)...half way abandon whole project..left 10phase residential there lo tongue.gif
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Is the central park confirmed though? i dont think the dev committed anything in black and white right?
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yea should be confirm ,

but i think it's allowed for publics too . they aint gonna put this central park with access door

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No offense to the property agent, but these illustration and some of the development "promises" are too hard to believe. There's no concrete support from Exsim themselves. I almost placed booking for D'Erica, but due to so many uncertainties I decided to go for Bandar Rimbayu instead. Totally different location but at least can see something there already.

Maybe property agent should show concrete information rather than pushing pushing pushing sales and selling false/unconfirmed information.
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yea should be confirm ,

but i think it's allowed for publics too . they aint gonna put this central park with access door
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Can you provide sources where Exsim confirm this??

The landscaping looks like a major job... not some small park... if anything it would be heavily marketed by Exsim to boost the sale of all the 4 project launched....

hack... even edgeproperty or other news outlet would publicize such a grand central park...

but so far... these photos are only used by property agents...


Also... why would a developer use their private land to build a public park?? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif let alone dedicate more than half of the entire land for a public park rclxub.gif rclxub.gif makes 0 business sense

If it is a private park... they are obligated to announce the park being part of the project because the property owners will be the one paying for the maintenance of the park as it will be considered as part of the common area... for instance... The residence of Tropicana Metro Park are responsible for the upkeep of their central park as part of their monthly maintenance fee...

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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 25 2021, 05:00 PM)
Can you provide sources where Exsim confirm this??

The landscaping looks like a major job... not some small park... if anything it would be heavily marketed by Exsim to boost the sale of all the 4 project launched....

hack... even edgeproperty or other news outlet would publicize such a grand central park...

but so far... these photos are only used by property agents...
Also... why would a developer use their private land to build a public park??  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif let alone dedicate more than half of the entire land for a public park  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  makes 0 business sense

If it is a private park... they are obligated to announce the park being part of the project because the property owners will be the one paying for the maintenance of the park as it will be considered as part of the common area... for instance... The residence of Tropicana Metro Park are responsible for the upkeep of their central park as part of their monthly maintenance fee...
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usually no open source for the confirmation
agent will get the artist impression photos first .
and exsim only reveal it during official launch / prelaunch time .

like i said it should be public park . u cant build condo / residence infront the rock , so. build a park instead
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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ May 25 2021, 05:07 PM)
usually no open source for the confirmation
agent will get the artist impression photos first .
and exsim only reveal it during official launch / prelaunch time .

like i said it should be public park . u cant build condo / residence infront the rock , so. build a park instead
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during launch of what??? of the park?? doh.gif doh.gif

no offense but it's shallow to think property developers are non-profit charity organisation..

"agent will get the artist impression photos first"... does this statement even make sense to you?? doh.gif doh.gif

You do know the "rocks" area, which are government owned will be leveled to build affordable housing right??

http://www.mbpj.gov.my/ms/draf-rtpj-2-pengubahan-3


page 11-12 already mentioned all these... why do people just don't do their research properly??

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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 25 2021, 05:31 PM)
during launch of what??? of the park??  doh.gif  doh.gif

no offense but it's shallow to think property developers are non-profit charity organisation..

"agent will get the artist impression photos first"... does this statement even make sense to you??  doh.gif  doh.gif

You do know the "rocks" area, which are government owned will be leveled to build affordable housing right??

http://www.mbpj.gov.my/ms/draf-rtpj-2-pengubahan-3
page 11-12 already mentioned all these... why do people just don't do their research properly??
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usually during launching/ when showroom ready .

yes agent group will get the artist impression photos first . it make sense . *im not agent .

anyway in their planning it will have a 10 acres park . is either non-rocks area park or whatever . it will have a park for sure .

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usually during launching/ when showroom ready .

yes agent group will get the artist impression photos first . it make sense . *im not agent .

anyway in their planning it will have a 10 acres park . is either non-rocks area park or whatever . it will have a park for sure .
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Sure... if it makes you happy then so be it..

It could be a park... it could not be a park...

but one thing for sure... it isn't a park until the developer not just confirms it but starts building it...


so far...nothing was announced from the developer side and non of the "artist impression" photos were in any of the developers official page nor was it reported by any reputable news outlet...

If anything... I would say you have a long way from getting there...

hack... many developer confirmed master plans with blueprint as mentioned earlier wasn't fulfilled.... it would be too early for anyone to be so happy about some sketch pictures used by property agents...

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All sifus, my sales agent keep sending me many messages on the beauty of this project, which statement can be trusted? confused.gif

1. D' Erica is last residential phase after Cosmos, Vervain and Quince. Do not miss this last chance

2. Be an early bird in this RM10b / 65 acre integrated township

3. Below market price in Damansara area

4. Walking distance to KPJ and EC Mall

5. Large rental market because this is the next Bangsar South

6. The last integrated township in Petaling Jaya / Last piece of land in PJ

7. Strict crowd control at showroom, by appointment only

8. Exsim will revive Empire City Mall

9. Empire City Mall to open by 2022

10. Exsim is a developer famous for its good craftsmanship and high quality
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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 25 2021, 06:09 PM)
Sure... if it makes you happy then so be it..

It could be a park... it could not be a park...

but one thing for sure... it isn't a park until the developer not just confirms it but starts building it...
so far...nothing was announced from the developer side and non of the "artist impression" photos were in any of the developers official page nor was it reported by any reputable news outlet...

If anything... I would say you have a long way from getting there...

hack... many developer confirmed master plans with blueprint as mentioned earlier wasn't fulfilled.... it would be too early for anyone to be so happy about some sketch pictures used by property agents...
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the artist impression even come with exsim logo bro
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QUOTE(jufay @ May 25 2021, 06:37 PM)
All sifus, my sales agent keep sending me many messages on the beauty of this project, which statement can be trusted? confused.gif

1. D' Erica is last residential phase after Cosmos, Vervain and Quince. Do not miss this last chance

2. Be an early bird in this RM10b / 65 acre integrated township

3. Below market price in Damansara area

4. Walking distance to KPJ and EC Mall

5. Large rental market because this is the next Bangsar South

6. The last integrated township in Petaling Jaya / Last piece of land in PJ

7. Strict crowd control at showroom, by appointment only

8. Exsim will revive Empire City Mall

9. Empire City Mall to open by 2022

10. Exsim is a developer famous for its good craftsmanship and high quality
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In my opinion, and to be clear this is only my opinion and I could be wrong.

1. I dont think this can be confirmed until everything is really occupying the land.
2. Well... I dont think they are lying about u being an early bird. But that's about it, u buy it early lol...
3. This might be true actually, but as you can see, the density is insane. So I think you need to factor in the fact that the reason it would be under market value is due to the shear density (competition for rental, which impacts property value).
4. I think this is true....
5. errrrrr.... the current density doesnt really bring much confidence for this point. ALso, you cant compare this area with Bangsar South, it's not apples to apples, more like Timun with durian.
6. This one i'm not sure... Might be true
7. lmao.... lmao is all i can say... as i visited their showroom before... but appointment only is true lol
8. errrrr Dogecoin going to the moon, Bitcoin never gonna crash, Elon Musk is going to mars... so yeah i think you will only know once they execute.
9. Open does not = success... But i have my reservations on this as I do want them to make it successful to avoid another white elephant in PJ
10. From their Z series. this is definitely true. Other series i cant comment.
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bro... ever heard of photoshop? I like your optimism, and certainly i hope you are right for the sake of the current buyers there. But like a lot of the forumers said, sometime even when dev announce officially, they can U-turn. Now developer didnt even announce it publicly and the only source for this information are agents lol. So forgive me for being a bit cautious when taking in this information.

I would heavily advise to just look at face value for now. Now economy is not doing very well, so things/designs might change.
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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ May 25 2021, 06:41 PM)
the artist impression even come with exsim logo bro
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I don't know if you realise this or not but developers don't use their own brand logo on any artist impression photos for legal reasons... because artist impressions serve only as a representation and not actual product (a way to distinguish and tell the customers that what they see is just a representation and may change or may not be what they expect)


Case in point

Artist impression

user posted image

Real product

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I must say.... the property agent who produced the artist impression to entice people got real big balls.. laugh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(jufay @ May 25 2021, 06:37 PM)
All sifus, my sales agent keep sending me many messages on the beauty of this project, which statement can be trusted? confused.gif

1. D' Erica is last residential phase after Cosmos, Vervain and Quince. Do not miss this last chance

2. Be an early bird in this RM10b / 65 acre integrated township

3. Below market price in Damansara area

4. Walking distance to KPJ and EC Mall

5. Large rental market because this is the next Bangsar South

6. The last integrated township in Petaling Jaya / Last piece of land in PJ

7. Strict crowd control at showroom, by appointment only

8. Exsim will revive Empire City Mall

9. Empire City Mall to open by 2022

10. Exsim is a developer famous for its good craftsmanship and high quality
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sounds super desperate to push sale...

if property sale very good... normally the SA will just out of sight out of mind..

for example Lot 15 SJCC and the Park 2 BJCC

These 2 projects the SA ... they didn't bother to get your phone number or even push for hard sell like "rental or ROI promise" or make it seems like it will be a miss opportunity if you don't buy now

Other projects I went to like Paisley Tropicana, Panorama, Ryan & Miho...

first thing they do is to get your HP number... then every week whatsapp you to give you updates on latest promo... and even call you once in awhile to convince you to buy...

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QUOTE(jufay @ May 25 2021, 07:37 PM)
All sifus, my sales agent keep sending me many messages on the beauty of this project, which statement can be trusted? confused.gif

1. D' Erica is last residential phase after Cosmos, Vervain and Quince. Do not miss this last chance

2. Be an early bird in this RM10b / 65 acre integrated township

3. Below market price in Damansara area

4. Walking distance to KPJ and EC Mall

5. Large rental market because this is the next Bangsar South

6. The last integrated township in Petaling Jaya / Last piece of land in PJ

7. Strict crowd control at showroom, by appointment only

8. Exsim will revive Empire City Mall

9. Empire City Mall to open by 2022

10. Exsim is a developer famous for its good craftsmanship and high quality
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1. There are 2 more phases, d'clover and d'vine.

2. D'erica is not early bird, d'quince is early bird.

3. If you really calculate the median price of ALL of damansara, then you know the difference.

4. True

5. Bangsar South rental is strong because developers launch 1 project at a time several years in between. Not 1 shot launching.

6. Latest but I don't think last.

7. Corona so ntg to say really.

8. Empire city mall vs millerz square, which one will they pour in more effort? 1 is anak luar nikah, 1 is anak kandung.

9. True

10. True for Z series, D series we not sure.
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1. There are 2 more phases, d'clover and d'vine.

2. D'erica is not early bird, d'quince is early bird.

3. If you really calculate the median price of ALL of damansara, then you know the difference.

4. True

5. Bangsar South rental is strong because developers launch 1 project at a time several years in between. Not 1 shot launching.

6. Latest but I don't think last.

7. Corona so ntg to say really.

8. Empire city mall vs millerz square, which one will they pour in more effort? 1 is anak luar nikah, 1 is anak kandung.

9. True

10. True for Z series, D series we not sure.
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AGREED. Agent trick la always dare dare said is last piece of land.... now everywhere is land. not enough land, buy some old terrace or rumah setinggan area la.
Dont believe this kind of agent.
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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 25 2021, 05:00 PM)
Can you provide sources where Exsim confirm this??

The landscaping looks like a major job... not some small park... if anything it would be heavily marketed by Exsim to boost the sale of all the 4 project launched....

hack... even edgeproperty or other news outlet would publicize such a grand central park...

but so far... these photos are only used by property agents...
Also... why would a developer use their private land to build a public park??  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif let alone dedicate more than half of the entire land for a public park  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  makes 0 business sense

If it is a private park... they are obligated to announce the park being part of the project because the property owners will be the one paying for the maintenance of the park as it will be considered as part of the common area... for instance... The residence of Tropicana Metro Park are responsible for the upkeep of their central park as part of their monthly maintenance fee...
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nope, tropicana metropark is not private park bro. Is public, and maintenance by tropicana. Not coming out from resident monthly maintenance fee. Not sure where you heard it from.


why would developer use their private land to build public park?
because it can bring you more "business". Bring crowd and business to your commercial during weekened and bring more value to your property (everything under one community: residence, commercial, offices, recreation)
weekday commercial need residents, office worker to support: weekend rely on resident and crowd from other place.
and once i heard before is because every project (depends on how big the land), you need to adopt or make a recreation for the community OR other wise you need to build Rumawip or low cost to support the local authorities.
So some developer might worry low cost or mampu milik will bring down their project value, so just adopt and absorb the park maintenance fees lo.

BUT, just sharing my opinion and what i know only. Not siding any parties here ya.

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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ May 25 2021, 05:07 PM)
usually no open source for the confirmation
agent will get the artist impression photos first .
and exsim only reveal it during official launch / prelaunch time .

like i said it should be public park . u cant build condo / residence infront the rock , so. build a park instead
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YES, normally agent will get artist impression that not suppose to share with customer first until it's officially announce during launching.
But how true is these photo that shown by the agent above, we are not sure,
so i think Hunakadoo not siding the agent , but just share his opinion la, don't get so serious and offence guys!
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QUOTE(jufay @ May 25 2021, 06:37 PM)
All sifus, my sales agent keep sending me many messages on the beauty of this project, which statement can be trusted? confused.gif

1. D' Erica is last residential phase after Cosmos, Vervain and Quince. Do not miss this last chance

2. Be an early bird in this RM10b / 65 acre integrated township

3. Below market price in Damansara area

4. Walking distance to KPJ and EC Mall

5. Large rental market because this is the next Bangsar South

6. The last integrated township in Petaling Jaya / Last piece of land in PJ

7. Strict crowd control at showroom, by appointment only

8. Exsim will revive Empire City Mall

9. Empire City Mall to open by 2022

10. Exsim is a developer famous for its good craftsmanship and high quality
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Alot sifu here already answer. So I'm just saying that, nothing is confirmed until all finalize on the ground, start building.
Masterplan will be always a plan, can be changed anytime.
Final decision is on developer hands, not agent. Sometime as agent being inform A,but ends up suddenly few years later developer change to B.
So what ever agent said, better ask if they have Black and white from developer. (If possible)

REVIVE? who will be the one who will manage the mall? Is it really reputable in managing mall? If the answer is : PENDING, or NOT SURE YET, then don't sound out loud to say "revive" too early oh...haha

Bangsar south and damansara central park different level la ... why all agent of this project all use bangsar south to compare geh...

LAST PIECE...everywhere also land, every land also can be acquire, so ask agent don't say last piece! IF we found another piece around there, how? haha
This one is always those young agent trick la...

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QUOTE(Windzneom @ May 25 2021, 10:48 PM)
nope, tropicana metropark is not private park bro. Is public, and maintenance by tropicana. Not coming out from resident monthly maintenance fee. Not sure where you heard it from.
why would developer use their private land to build public park?
because it can bring you more "business". Bring crowd and business to your commercial during weekened and bring more value to your property (everything under one community: residence, commercial, offices, recreation)
weekday commercial need residents, office worker to support: weekend rely on resident and crowd from other place.
and once i heard before is because every project (depends on how big the land), you need to adopt or make a recreation for the community OR other wise you need to build Rumawip or low cost to support the local authorities.
So some developer might worry low cost or mampu milik will bring down their project value, so just adopt and absorb the park maintenance fees lo.

BUT, just sharing my opinion and what i know only. Not siding any parties here ya.
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Can't remember which project has its own private park... if tropicana metropark's park is a public park then my bad...before the covid thing I've been to quite a lot of project's showroom... can't remember all the finer details

the park has always been associated with the projects... using the park to sell the rest of the projects within the vicinity is their main goal.... not bring you more "business"... once the property is handed over... it has nothing to do with the developer anymore...

if the park is part of the masterplan... it will definitely be marketed along with the 4 projects.... that is the whole purpose of having the park in the first place....

as mentioned before... makes no sense for the developer to announce they are going to build a park only AFTER they sold out their property...

I could be wrong cause there are a few remaining plots of land after deducting the current 4 projects and the so called "park" but still... if it is part of the plan... makes no sense for them not to use it as a marketing tool...

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Can't remember which project has its own private park... if tropicana metropark's park is a public park then my bad...before the covid thing I've been to quite a lot of project's showroom... can't remember all the finer details

the park has always been associated with the projects... using the park to sell the rest of the projects within the vicinity is their main goal.... not bring you more "business"... once the property is handed over... it has nothing to do with the developer anymore...

if the park is part of the masterplan... it will definitely be marketed along with the 4 projects.... that is the whole purpose of having the park in the first place....

as mentioned before... makes no sense for the developer to announce they are going to build a park only AFTER they sold out their property...

I could be wrong cause there are a few remaining plots of land after deducting the current 4 projects and the so called "park" but still... if it is part of the plan... makes no sense for them not to use it as a marketing tool...
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Haha. Like what you said, i agreed la, they would have market big big about their park but seems not really right?
Not sure what's their intention either.
Like metropark basically do advertise their park while launching all the projects.
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QUOTE(DRKLM_91 @ May 25 2021, 08:09 PM)
bro... ever heard of photoshop? I like your optimism, and certainly i hope you are right for the sake of the current buyers there. But like a lot of the forumers said, sometime even when dev announce officially, they can U-turn. Now developer didnt even announce it publicly and the only source for this information are agents lol. So forgive me for being a bit cautious when taking in this information.

I would heavily advise to just look at face value for now. Now economy is not doing very well, so things/designs might change.
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ur point
1. photoshop
2. dev - can u-turn

what else i can say ? doh.gif

let them buyer have the central park la , such a high dens land but no park , exsim isnt stupid lar . u guys jelly or what that park for sure open for public one ( it is not possible to closed for all D series residence usage )
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QUOTE(Windzneom @ May 25 2021, 11:01 PM)
YES, normally agent will get artist impression that not suppose to share with customer first until it's officially announce during launching.
But how true is these photo that shown by the agent above, we are not sure,
so i think Hunakadoo not siding the agent , but just share his opinion la, don't get so serious and offence guys!
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very chill bro

yes , im not either agent / buyer of this d series

very neutral opinion for all .
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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ May 26 2021, 11:19 AM)
ur point
1. photoshop
2. dev - can u-turn

what else i can say ? doh.gif

let them buyer have the central park la , such a high dens land but no park , exsim isnt stupid lar . u guys jelly or what that park for sure open for public one ( it is not possible to closed for all D series residence usage )
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He has a point you know..

As I've mentioned... developer doesn't use their brand logo on artist impression... (see my post earlier)

it would have been done by property agent to desperately prove that these photos have ties to the developer...


also... developer changing master plan is very common.... I've already mentioned and showed evidence many times... that even an "official" master plan with blueprints can just be discarded if the developer decides to change their plan... but most of the time they don't commit anything...

when they promise a park... it is an "invitation to treat" (if you don't know basic law please google the terms ya?)...

Again... not saying the park definitely won't happen cause there are still other plots of land for development but my final thoughts are

1) The park won't be the last item to be developed in the land... since there are still a few plots for other development... it may be possible
2) If there is going to be a park.... it is not going to be like how it is depicted on the photos you've provided....the adventure park/waterfall/wet land etc. makes absolutely no sense for a public park... also the land behind behind as already mention in page 11-12 that gov will be leveling the area for low cost residential....


On the part about property agents getting the artist impression photos first.... I'm not an agent or a property expert.... but I do know that property agents normally uses the photos from the developers published site....

most of the time when they don't use official photos... it is most likely a "scam" or incorrect representation...

just go to property guru and you can see tons of unethical property agents using artist impression that is not related to the product or made up artist impression photos.... just search for PARK 2..... they uses Park 2 BJCC impression photos a product not even relating to Park 2.... basically to glorified a lower end project just so happen that it is situated in bukit jalil

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aiya why u so degil one .
i guarantee u 200% got a park there la . with the natural stone cliff + wet land surround
with the land condition they couldn't build high rise over that land anymore .

ok la if no park , i belanja u rm50 meal k ? biggrin.gif
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aiya why u so degil one .
i guarantee u 200% got a park there la . with the natural stone cliff + wet land surround
with the land condition they couldn't build high rise over that land anymore .

ok la if no park , i belanja u rm50 meal k ?  biggrin.gif
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If you want to live in your dream land with your so called park drawn with water fall (which as stupid as it sounds still able to convince people like you) that is from some artist impression... which aren't even produced by the developer (as mentioned... developer don't use their brand logo on artist impression for legal reasons)... be my guest...

But for others who wants real facts and information for buying consideration... I want to reiterate on MBPJ draf rancangan tempatan PJ 2

As you can see the land directly behind Exsim plot of land will be developed for "perumahan"... seperated by a small plot of land for "tanah lapang dan rekreasi"

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...ost&id=10844191
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...ost&id=10844192


These are all information gathered from http://www.mbpj.gov.my/ms/draf-rtpj-2-pengubahan-3

They are from legit GOV or official sites... not rumours... not property agent ads... certainly not from sources that are not credible...

people should be aware on what is really going on... not making shit up to siok sendiri ...

Plan might change but at least people could make decision based on valid information... not some stupid artist impression or rumors from property agents or some fantasy make believes by some people here...

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QUOTE(holypredator @ May 26 2021, 11:35 AM)
He has a point you know..

As I've mentioned... developer doesn't use their brand logo on artist impression... (see my post earlier)

it would have been done by property agent to desperately prove that these photos have ties to the developer...
also... developer changing master plan is very common.... I've already mentioned and showed evidence many times... that even an "official" master plan with blueprints can just be discarded if the developer decides to change their plan... but most of the time they don't commit anything...

when they promise a park... it is an "invitation to treat" (if you don't know basic law please google the terms ya?)...

Again... not saying the park definitely won't happen cause there are still other plots of land for development but my final thoughts are

1) The park won't be the last item to be developed in the land... since there are still a few plots for other development... it may be possible
2) If there is going to be a park.... it is not going to be like how it is depicted on the photos you've provided....the adventure park/waterfall/wet land etc. makes absolutely no sense for a public park... also the land behind behind as already mention in page 11-12 that gov will be leveling the area for low cost residential....
On the part about property agents getting the artist impression photos first.... I'm not an agent or a property expert.... but I do know that property agents normally uses the photos from the developers published site....

most of the time when they don't use official photos... it is most likely a "scam" or incorrect representation...

just go to property guru and you can see tons of unethical property agents using artist impression that is not related to the product or made up artist impression photos....  just search for PARK 2..... they uses Park 2 BJCC impression photos a product not even relating to Park 2.... basically to glorified a lower end project just so happen that it is situated in bukit jalil
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As an agent, allow me answer on this ya. First, why agent use artist impression photo? It's not UNETHICAL actually, Do you know that if they publish the real photo, and stated that developer give high rebates , the bank will cut loan margin to loan borrower? That's why even developer also don't allow agent to use real photo. We are protecting the buyer interest in getting full loan actually. Ofcourse some really UNETHICAL agent will simply use another developer product photo to post for their other product on hands if it happened to be in same area. Developer have the right to sue the agent, if they do so actually.

Secondly, For the central park AI photo that posted previously,not sure where it came from as we can't find it anyway from the the internet or the official website. Not sure why, but maybe the developer is the one asking the agents not to disclosed as they might will have some changes on the plan. Normally developer allow us to show client if it's confirmed.

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aiya why u so degil one .
i guarantee u 200% got a park there la . with the natural stone cliff + wet land surround
with the land condition they couldn't build high rise over that land anymore .

ok la if no park , i belanja u rm50 meal k ?  biggrin.gif
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With the natural stone cliff, honestly nearly impossible for them to build high rise on it, because you need to do alot of earthwork on the land, leveling, structure to prevent landslide, and all those stuff.
i do agree.

where the park will be around, we don't know yet until it really finalise la. So we just sit tight and watch. Forum jek, guys. hahahaha
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aiya why u so degil one .
i guarantee u 200% got a park there la . with the natural stone cliff + wet land surround
with the land condition they couldn't build high rise over that land anymore .

ok la if no park , i belanja u rm50 meal k ?  biggrin.gif
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mountain i saw, but the artistic shows waterfall....wonder where does the water came from lol whistling.gif

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Anyone heard of D'vine? at Central Park Damansara too

RM270k for 550 sq ft
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the existing 4 already very packed plus flora. I no expect they will launch one more. Regretting now, at night cannot sleep.
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Have confidence, as you know, jam packed area property price are usually expensive (Mont Kiara, Bangsar, Bangsar South, PJ).
As i know, there will have 3 more property project coming.
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Have confidence, as you know, jam packed area property price are usually expensive (Mont Kiara, Bangsar, Bangsar South, PJ).
As i know, there will have 3 more property project coming.
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Then why don't go buy oug parklane or razak city? More jam packed than what you mentioned above?

MK, bangsar, bangsar south and pj reach today's prices through decades and they take up a lot more space.

Alongside with great public transport and flourishing commercial.

Not 1 shot launching all residential.
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Pretty sure this wont turn out like parklane oug. Primarily because of 3 things, which is the developer, the adjacent megamall, and the location, ie: above bu, ttdi, kota damansara, below kepong and dpc, and to the left of mont kiara.

The oversupply is definitely real in 5 years time though.
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QUOTE(Mr.Weezy @ May 29 2021, 09:08 PM)
Anyone heard of D'vine? at Central Park Damansara too

RM270k for 550 sq ft
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Its the final phase. ALL units are 550 size. Not like the first phase D'Quince that has 550, 900 and 1500 units all mixed.

D'Vine has 34 units per floor....so its like a low cost Flat density. sad.gif
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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 31 2021, 08:36 PM)
Then why don't go buy oug parklane or razak city? More jam packed than what you mentioned above?

MK, bangsar, bangsar south and pj reach today's prices through decades and they take up a lot more space.

Alongside with great public transport and flourishing commercial.

Not 1 shot launching all residential.
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i agree what you replied... hahaha
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btw there's a mosque just in front of D'vervaine and d'quince...pretty sure D'erica residents can hear the religious activity as well!! and all other resident in other phases!!! and phase 14 is another affordable housing apartment, just in front of mosque..Imagine the traffic!! you were right all along!!

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Hi, can I have this original image to see the development phases? Thanks
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Hi Guys,
I've also placed a booking on this unit.
Been searching for a unit for t past 2 years and still came back to this project due to location. Glad I skipped out on vervain last year.
Density is pretty high but i think eventually this is t future for PJ/Damansara.
MBBP proposal plan is there but it yet to be confirmed & typically on hill side with the current soil condition of bukit lanjan, it would be dangerous for any high rise to be built on it. If its just luxury bangalow etc then its ok in my personal opinion.
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Anyone who can share a clearer masterplan of this would be appreciated. Been looking at their vague scale model and it seems like t centre plot will be commercial towers. Mayb t back stretch of long land plot facing t hill might be hotel & resort. (My personal speculation due to its form & shape)

Also is there any buyer watsapp group?
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QUOTE(testwwh @ May 27 2021, 12:23 PM)
mountain i saw, but the artistic shows waterfall....wonder where does the water came from lol  whistling.gif
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Exsim projects nowadays always full of exclusive agents. Exsim don't mind to jack up selling prices to pay more commission for agents in marketing as long as clear off the stocks fast. So easily found many unrealistic promises, marketing techniques in market. 9 out of 10 in their projects thread are agents usually.

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Hi, can I have this original image to see the development phases? Thanks
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Can anyone clarifies the originality and authenticity of this image? And also the other phases (6-14), will it be business buildings or residential buildings?
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Can anyone clarifies the originality and authenticity of this image? And also the other phases (6-14), will it be business buildings or residential buildings?
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all i can say is nothing is confirmed... unless any agent or representative would like to make a formal statement here confirming the developer's official decisiom to follow through in some form of black and white. shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(lollipopkan @ May 31 2021, 08:36 PM)
Then why don't go buy oug parklane or razak city? More jam packed than what you mentioned above?

MK, bangsar, bangsar south and pj reach today's prices through decades and they take up a lot more space.

Alongside with great public transport and flourishing commercial.

Not 1 shot launching all residential.
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Well, i'm looking for PJ area, so those places are out of my radar. Plus, having been staying in PJ for quite awhile, you will get used to the traffic here.

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Hi there, just bought a d’erica unit. Is there a buyers WhatsApp group I can join?
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Is it only me seeing this, but I believe the "artist impression" forested park at the rock face is the area circled in electric blue?

Possible, since the PJ draft plan that is not DCP is occupying the areas on the heights above the rock face.

In fact some of the demarcation of DCP area in the public domain does indicated that DCP might include a small strip to the cliff edge of the said rock face.

Since the plot of land at the rock face aren't suitable for building residential or offices, if EXSIM is creative enough and smart about it, they should make the rock face an attraction.

Hopefully the artist impressions can become a reality.
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Is it only me seeing this, but I believe the "artist impression" forested park at the rock face is the area circled in electric blue?

Possible, since the PJ draft plan that is not DCP is occupying the areas on the heights above the rock face.

In fact some of the demarcation of DCP area in the public domain does indicated that DCP might include a small strip to the cliff edge of the said rock face.

Since the plot of land at the rock face aren't suitable for building residential or offices, if EXSIM is creative enough and smart about it, they should make the rock face an attraction.

Hopefully the artist impressions can become a reality.
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and they want to do that because???

everyone seems to forget that developers are for profit organisations...

Everything they do.. every landscape they create... they don't do it for nothing...


Most projects with massive landscaping are being built as part of the selling/marketing point to the other properties that they are selling...

for example tropicana metropark landscape are built as part of the attraction to sell the surrounding properties that they are developing... they will heavily promote their lake park and landscape to attract buyers for the properties that they are selling...

or Sunway Serena... the man made lake is one of the main attraction point that the developer create to market the residential blocks that they are building within that area... it is not an afterthought idea where they have sold the units only then they create the lake.... it is created solely to ensure they could attract buyers to buy their residential properties in that location..

Exism clearly have no plans to do any sort of landscaping or "attraction" from the beginning .... as of to date they still have not announce anything about any landscaping yet despite already at mid stage selling all the residential properties that they have planned...

No developer is that dumb to sell off all units ... and then last minute build something that does not generate profit...


Also... as many have pointed out... the so called artist impression... doesn't look like it comes from the developers...

the quality of the sketches doesn't seem to match the other artist impression photos that the developer has shown...

the developer has not use any of the so called artist impression during their marketing campaign ...

the artist impression has the developer brand name on it which as others have mentioned... developers do not show their brand logo on any artist impression photos due to legal issue... it is likely this was being done by 3rd party agents in a desperate move to push sales...


and finally... these so called artist impression photos that some agents here claim they have early access to... are still not recognised by the developer themselves after 6 months....

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and they want to do that because???

everyone seems to forget that developers are for profit organisations...

Everything they do.. every landscape they create... they don't do it for nothing...
Most projects with massive landscaping are being built as part of the selling/marketing point to the other properties that they are selling...

for example tropicana metropark landscape are built as part of the attraction to sell the surrounding properties that they are developing... they will heavily promote their lake park and landscape to attract buyers for the properties that they are selling...

or Sunway Serena... the man made lake is one of the main attraction point that the developer create to market the residential blocks that they are building within that area... it is not an afterthought idea where they have sold the units only then they create the lake.... it is created solely to ensure they could attract buyers to buy their residential properties in that location..

Exism clearly have no plans to do any sort of landscaping or "attraction" from the beginning  .... as of to date they still have not announce anything about any landscaping yet despite already at mid stage selling all the residential properties that they have planned...

No developer is that dumb to sell off all units ... and then last minute build something that does not generate profit...
Also... as many have pointed out... the so called artist impression... doesn't look like it comes from the developers...

the quality of the sketches doesn't seem to match the other artist impression photos that the developer has shown...

the developer has not use any of the so called artist impression during their marketing campaign ...

the artist impression has the developer brand name on it which as others have mentioned... developers do not show their brand logo on any artist impression photos due to legal issue... it is likely this was being done by 3rd party agents in a desperate move to push sales...
and finally... these so called artist impression photos that some agents here claim they have early access to... are still not recognised by the developer themselves after 6 months....
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Anyways, a shot in stimpak for Empire City Mall https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1900326/emp...l-says-rubberex

Cash rich from windfall but don't know where to spend. As a result Empire City Mall gets some cash infusion
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 11 2021, 02:42 AM)
and they want to do that because???

everyone seems to forget that developers are for profit organisations...

Everything they do.. every landscape they create... they don't do it for nothing...
Most projects with massive landscaping are being built as part of the selling/marketing point to the other properties that they are selling...

for example tropicana metropark landscape are built as part of the attraction to sell the surrounding properties that they are developing... they will heavily promote their lake park and landscape to attract buyers for the properties that they are selling...

or Sunway Serena... the man made lake is one of the main attraction point that the developer create to market the residential blocks that they are building within that area... it is not an afterthought idea where they have sold the units only then they create the lake.... it is created solely to ensure they could attract buyers to buy their residential properties in that location..

Exism clearly have no plans to do any sort of landscaping or "attraction" from the beginning  .... as of to date they still have not announce anything about any landscaping yet despite already at mid stage selling all the residential properties that they have planned...

No developer is that dumb to sell off all units ... and then last minute build something that does not generate profit...
Also... as many have pointed out... the so called artist impression... doesn't look like it comes from the developers...

the quality of the sketches doesn't seem to match the other artist impression photos that the developer has shown...

the developer has not use any of the so called artist impression during their marketing campaign ...

the artist impression has the developer brand name on it which as others have mentioned... developers do not show their brand logo on any artist impression photos due to legal issue... it is likely this was being done by 3rd party agents in a desperate move to push sales...
and finally... these so called artist impression photos that some agents here claim they have early access to... are still not recognised by the developer themselves after 6 months....
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Time will tell. Developer's will out in the money if it makes business sense. Just like how EXSIM is willing to fund the expensive 'overpass'
sky deck park.

In the same vein, like you said, the sky deck doesn't get income from selling it directly to property buyers, but they invested in it because it makes business sense, as a marketing tool/gimmick to sell the first 5 residential phases. Hence it's money that had to be spent.

So it is my opinion that the "rock face" will happen, just as it might not happen. It just depends on the chance opportunity and marketing need for EXSIM. Based on the "artist impressions", it doesn't seem to be an expensive build, compared to for example, to making the sky deck or a road ramp for road access

From the artist impressions and and the blue circled structures in the plan, it seems to only involve a few small structures for humans and a few small hanging platforms. As for the water falls, it just having pumps. Even Seresta have an artificial waterfall in that development

It all depends if the investment by Exsim is worth the marketing gimmick. I would think it is extremely stupid for EXSIM not to create an attraction out if the rock face, where else in KL/PJ would you have this? Nearest similar attractions would be Perak.

Remember Malaysia's perpetual fancy for hanging restaurants at higher elevations? There is not much left in Klang Valley after the closure of the Ampang Look Out Point. Could be an attraction, if not by EXSIM, could be rented out. Do you know how much is the rental for Ampang Look Out Point before it ceased operations due to ownership change?

An entrepeunerial mind can even make this an adventure park for rock climbing.
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Time will tell. Developer's will out in the money if it makes business sense. Just like how EXSIM is willing to fund the expensive 'overpass'
sky deck park.

In the same vein, like you said, the sky deck doesn't get income from selling it directly to property buyers, but they invested in it because it makes business sense, as a marketing tool/gimmick to sell the first 5 residential phases. Hence it's money that had to be spent.

So it is my opinion that the "rock face" will happen, just as it might not happen. It just depends on the chance opportunity and marketing need for EXSIM. Based on the "artist impressions", it doesn't seem to be an expensive build, compared to for example, to making the sky deck or a road ramp for road access

From the artist impressions and and the blue circled structures in the plan, it seems to only involve a few small structures for humans and a few small hanging platforms. As for the water falls, it just having pumps. Even Seresta have an artificial waterfall in that development

It all depends if the investment by Exsim is worth the marketing gimmick. I would think it is extremely stupid for EXSIM not to create an attraction out if the rock face, where else in KL/PJ would you have this? Nearest similar attractions would be Perak.

Remember Malaysia's perpetual fancy for hanging restaurants at higher elevations? There is not much left in Klang Valley after the closure of the Ampang Look Out Point. Could be an attraction, if not by EXSIM, could be rented out. Do you know how much is the rental for Ampang Look Out Point before it ceased operations due to ownership change?

An entrepeunerial mind can even make this an adventure park for rock climbing.
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It's amazing how some people could not just count the chickens but also imagine the quality of the chickens they are getting without even seeing the eggs... and I thought people who count the chickens before they hatch are silly...

Did you bought a property from this project or are you a property agent of this project?? You sure do able to hype a property up without any substance...

My perspective and how I analyse a property is based on facts and information presented either by the developer or by the municipal... you don't have to convince me with all the "possibilities" or how it makes sense to you... I just want real evidence like a statement from the developer themselves....

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 12 2021, 12:18 AM)
It's amazing how some people could not just count the chickens but also imagine the quality of the chickens they are getting without even seeing the eggs... and I thought people who count the chickens before they hatch are silly...

Did you bought a property from this project or are you a property agent of this project?? You sure do able to hype a property up without any substance...

My perspective and how I analyse a property is based on facts and information presented either by the developer or by the municipal... you don't have to convince me with all the "possibilities" or how it makes sense to you... I just want real evidence like a statement from the developer themselves....
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I mean your assesement is another form of confirmation bias isn't it?
Like I said, in the same vein if apply your same style analysis/ssesement/chicken counting to the sky deck, sky deck wouldn't happen right? It's also not in the official page or brochures when Damansara central park was launched years ago?

Time will tell, I have already stated in my opinions that it might or might not be built, I am not claiming it will be built, but you're insisting it won't be built. I am ok with your pessimism but I don't appreciate you being snarky and then go on to make overt attempts at accusations and character assassinations just because other people's opinions doesn't fit your world view.

That's what we call confirmation bias in psychology. I am not sure what's your deal man? It really makes me wonder whete all that vitriol and angst is coming from. Not that I am even rejecting or opining your "hypothetical assessments", I am only positing my hypothesis.

I am not a purchaser of this property but I am watching this property because it is in the vicinity of my home and investments, so I watch to see if it competes or compliments my investments,

At the same time, I can emphatize with the purchasers who wishes to be optimistic as it is their hard earned money they've put into it. Who knows, every little motivation counts. I have posited that the rock face will be a misopportunity if the developers don't milk that features unique to the area. So who knows if the butterfly effect comes into effect and some decision maker commits to activate it.

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I mean your assesement is another form of confirmation bias isn't it?
Like I said, in the same vein if apply  your same style analysis/ssesement/chicken counting to the sky deck, sky deck wouldn't happen right? It's also not in the official page or brochures when Damansara central park was launched years ago?

Time will tell, I have already stated in my opinions that it might or might not be built, I am not claiming it will be built, but you're insisting it won't be built. I am ok with your pessimism but I don't appreciate you being snarky and then go on to make overt attempts at accusations and character assassinations just because other people's opinions doesn't fit your world view.

That's what we call confirmation bias in psychology. I am not sure what's your deal man? It really makes me wonder whete all that vitriol and angst is coming from. Not that I am even rejecting or opining your "hypothetical assessments", I am only positing my hypothesis.

I am not a purchaser of this property  but I am watching this property because it is in the vicinity of my home and investments, so I watch to see if it competes or compliments my investments,

At the same time, I can emphatize with the purchasers who wishes to be optimistic as it is their hard earned money they've put into it. Who knows, every little motivation counts. I have posited that the rock face will be a misopportunity if the developers don't milk that features unique to the area. So who knows if the butterfly effect comes into effect and some decision maker commits to activate it.
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How is my assessment a form of confirmation bias when my assessment is based solely on facts and official information available??

Instead... I could say you are the one who is showing confirmation bias because you are picking and choosing information... particularly unofficial information that favours your narrative...

Also... what official documents can you show me that the so called "sky deck" is being built?? Again... I only trust official information... if it is not official.... it is not happening...

You could say I am pessimistic if I am speculating on the possibility that the developer may not follow through the things that they have proposed or planned... however... you can't say that I am pessimistic when the developer them self did not propose... let alone commit that something

For example... if I go around and say the proposed shopping mall for tropicana metropark is not going to be built because there were speculation that the developer had dropped the idea then yes... you could say I am pessimistic if the developer did no officially announce they have changed their master plan...

Buying a property is all about being well informed... not based on hearsay...

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How is my assessment a form of confirmation bias when my assessment is based solely on facts and official information available??

Instead... I could say you are the one who is showing confirmation bias because you are picking and choosing information... particularly unofficial information that favours your narrative...

Also... what official documents can you show me that the so called "sky deck" is being built?? Again... I only trust official information... if it is not official.... it is not happening...

You could say I am pessimistic if I am speculating on the possibility that the developer may not follow through the things that they have proposed or planned... however... you can't say that I am pessimistic when the developer them self did not propose... let alone commit that something

For example... if I go around and say the proposed shopping mall for tropicana metropark is not going to be built because there were speculation that the developer had dropped the idea then yes... you could say I am pessimistic if the developer did no officially announce they have changed their master plan...

Buying a property is all about being well informed... not based on hearsay...
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For a persona who touts and sells on his/her own "prowess" in facts and official information, it's rather funny that you've missed the sky deck. I don't need to show information, all you need is to travel along LDP and you'll see the sky deck being constructed in the flesh/metal.

Much more when you don't even bother to read my posts and statements, I am positing a hypothesis that there are indicators that the artist impressions on the rock wall MIGHT happen. I do not claim or insist that it WILL happen. At the same time, I am also positing that EXSIM would have been missing an opportunity to make the rock face a unique attraction. I am NOT CLAIMING THAT EXSIM IS BUILDING THAT ATTRACTION. The distinction is vey clear once anyone has read my short posts. It doesn't take more than a few minutes to read through my posts and find out this fact of statement. SO MUCH FOR YOUR BIG CLAIM OF ASSESSING INFORMATION, you don't even spend the time to read simple posts.

I really have to question your motivations here. What is confirmation bias, you ask. IT IS APPARENT when you repeat claim that "IT IS NOT HAPPENING". To state as such is making a solid claim, and not opinion. And pray tell what this claim is based on what? Facts? information? or is it merely your own deductions?

Objectively, it is at best deductions. Just as I am making deductions to posit my hypothesis.

That much I can agree, that nothing is set in stone until the fat lady sings, and too I have based my posts on such deductions, not claims. Let's be clear here, I DID NOT CLAIM IT WILL BE BUILT. Nor did I encourage for or against buying or investing in this property based on this premise. Please get you head around this fact.

In contrast, you have come across as "vehemently" in your total rejection of anything that could be positive and selectively mantra-ing everything negative that can be said of this development. That is bias, selective bias at that. For this observation alone, I have questions on your motivations

Don't forget, I am the original poster that brought forth information on the MBPJ Town Planning Report and brought it to the attention of this forum.

Like I said, your statements are not FACT (based on your own metric of gauging fact to fiction), your statements on the "artist impressions" are based on making deductions. Hence it is a tall order to make a claim that "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN", especially when you go around to saying that you are all EVIDENCE AND FACTS.







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when2meets, bro. If you read the whole thread. This holypredator seem like very aggressive give bad comment based on it own personnal perception. Come on, majority buyer bought because of location n they feel is good choice for investment and own stay. There are plenty job opportunities near pj area. Why many developer invest project at PJ area coz of high demand.

https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/889885

Why ruberex boss still interest invest @Empire Damanasara mall although people said is might be next failure mall?
What high density, jam i dun care unless you like to live at jungle or outskirt area. What.artist impression,sky desk is just plus point. Personnelly i like live at PJ because mature township. It convinience because of strategy locatiion. i feel funny when read all his negative comment.

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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Oct 13 2021, 02:59 AM)
For a persona who touts and sells on his/her own "prowess" in facts and official information, it's rather funny that you've missed the sky deck. I don't need to show information, all you need is to travel along LDP and you'll see the sky deck being constructed in the flesh/metal.

Much more when you don't even bother to read my posts and statements, I am positing a hypothesis that there are indicators that the artist impressions on the rock wall MIGHT happen. I do not claim or insist that it WILL happen. At the same time, I am also positing that EXSIM would have been missing an opportunity to make the rock face a unique attraction. I am NOT CLAIMING THAT EXSIM IS BUILDING THAT ATTRACTION. The distinction is vey clear once anyone has read my short posts. It doesn't take more than a few minutes to read through my posts and find out this fact of statement.  SO MUCH FOR  YOUR BIG CLAIM OF ASSESSING INFORMATION, you don't even spend the time to read simple posts.

I really have to question your motivations here. What is confirmation bias, you ask. IT IS APPARENT when you repeat claim that "IT IS NOT HAPPENING". To state as such is making a solid claim, and not opinion. And pray tell what this claim is based on what? Facts? information? or is it merely your own deductions?

Objectively, it is at best deductions. Just as I am making deductions to posit my hypothesis.

That much I can agree, that nothing is set in stone until the fat lady sings, and too I have based my posts on such deductions, not claims.  Let's be clear here, I DID NOT CLAIM IT WILL BE BUILT. Nor did I encourage for or against buying or investing in this property based on this premise. Please get you head around this fact.

In contrast, you have come across as "vehemently" in your total rejection of anything that could be positive and selectively mantra-ing everything negative that can be said of this development. That is bias, selective bias at that. For this observation alone, I have questions on your motivations

Don't forget, I am the original poster that brought forth information on the MBPJ Town Planning Report and brought it to the attention of this forum.

Like I said, your statements are not FACT (based on your own metric of gauging fact to fiction), your statements on the "artist impressions" are based on making deductions. Hence it is a tall order to make a claim that "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN", especially when you go around to saying that you are all EVIDENCE AND FACTS.
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Again... I cannot stress this enough... I only trust official sources... I think I've said this one too many time... but it seems that you cannot accept the fact that I cannot accept whatever imaginative view that you have proposed and start attacking me personally and questioning my "motives"...

Regarding your so called "sky deck"... I have not been to the location nor I have not seen any official information regarding such construction... if someone could share an official document saying that there is a construction for a sky deck then it would certainly help the buyers to understand what's going on... for example ... project sign/construction board.... just because you see a pillar or two... doesn't mean you could just jump into conclusion that it will be a sky deck... for all we know it could just be a fly over being built by the municipal...

I don't know how many times I need to repeat this but buyers need to rely on facts not speculation... hence it is beneficial for buyers to know more about the facts rather than hearsay

I've always presented both positive and negative views in the property talk section... but 1 thing that I've never done or will do is to speculate like how you did...

Also... stop using words that you don't understand the meaning to.... what do you mean by "selectively mantra-ing"?? Are you trying to saying I am preaching?? Mantra is a noun not a verb...

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QUOTE(Erictan1981 @ Oct 13 2021, 08:46 AM)
when2meets, bro. If you read the whole thread. This holypredator seem like very aggressive give bad comment based on it own personnal perception. Come on, majority buyer bought because of location n they feel is good choice for investment and own stay. There are plenty job opportunities near pj area. Why many developer invest project at PJ area coz of high demand.

https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/889885

Why ruberex boss still interest invest @Empire Damanasara mall although people said is might be next failure mall?
What high density, jam i dun care unless you like to live at jungle or outskirt area. What.artist impression,sky desk is just plus point. Personnelly  i like live at PJ because mature township. It convinience because of strategy locatiion. i feel funny when read all his negative comment.
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I've always talked about both the positives and negatives in every property thread that I have visited...

The only difference between this project/thread compared to the others is that people here or should I say investors here are at the point of being delusional...

The forumers are always invested to prove me wrong whenever I said something negative about the project... which is good... I get to see things from a different angel...

For example... when I mention that there are too many religious building surrounding this project... some replied that it does not affect them because they could install soundproof windows or they think it would somehow make the place safer.... I accepted all POV...

What I cannot accept is when people start preaching non existence idea... like what you and when2meets2boy are doing.... especially you cause you have been a very staunch supporter of this project since you've bought a unit..
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 13 2021, 10:01 AM)
Again... I cannot stress this enough... I only trust official sources... I think I've said this one too many time... but it seems that you cannot accept the fact that I cannot accept whatever imaginative view that you have proposed and start attacking me personally and questioning my "motives"...

Regarding your so called "sky deck"... I have not been to the location nor I have not seen any official information regarding such construction... if someone could share an official document saying that there is a construction for a sky deck then it would certainly help the buyers to understand what's going on... for example ... project sign/construction board.... just because you see a pillar or two... doesn't mean you could just jump into conclusion that it will be a sky deck... for all we know it could just be a fly over being built by the municipal...

I don't know how many times I need to repeat this but buyers need to rely on facts not speculation... hence it is beneficial for buyers to know more about the facts rather than hearsay

I've always presented both positive and negative views in the property talk section... but 1 thing that I've never done or will do is to speculate like how you did...

Also... stop using words that you don't understand the meaning to.... what do you mean by "selectively mantra-ing"?? Are you trying to saying I am preaching?? Mantra is a noun not a verb...
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RIGHT.... All that "I am based in evidence"...and then you go on to claim "it is not happening". Well, so much for evidence based statements and facts. If you can't see through your own hypocrisy, nothing will convinces you

Unlike you, like I have already clearly put in my posts, I am discussing about "potential", "hypothesis". Not hearsay or claims or statements

And yes you only know what you know, so much for waving through and disregarding the fact that is the sky deck being contructed when it does not serve your narrative.. DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND STOP PREACHING.

It is alright to bring up pros and cons of any particular project, just that it is right for prospective buyers and existing buyers to speculate the potential of a particular project. But is not right to be hypocritical and claim "I am evidence based, wave off evidence preach speculative doom (i.e. it is not happening) and then go on sitting on the high horse and wallowing in hypocrisy
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I've always talked about both the positives and negatives in every property thread that I have visited...

The only difference between this project/thread compared to the others is that people here or should I say investors here are at the point of being delusional...

The forumers are always invested to prove me wrong whenever I said something negative about the project... which is good... I get to see things from a different angel...

For example... when I mention that there are too many religious building surrounding this project... some replied that it does not affect them because they could install soundproof windows or they think it would somehow make the place safer.... I accepted all POV...

What I cannot accept is when people start preaching non existence idea... like what you and when2meets2boy are doing.... especially you cause you have been a very staunch supporter of this project since you've bought a unit..
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Yes this is when you start projecting delusional projections on people who does not fit your world view, first claiming I am an agent and now claiming I am a buyer. Trying to build a strawmen argument here are you?

I am none of the above. I weigh the pros and cons and I discuss about potential. Unlike you, hypocritically negative about this project by only highlighting negatives and peep squeak when positives stares back at you (examples of the hypocrisy? Others say: double glazed windows, you: no comment. Other say: Look, it doesn't make sense to invest in the sky deck as it not profitable. you: really, there is a sky deck, show me the evidence. Others: Oh, I thought you know it all?)

We are here to discuss the project, be it things that has been commited to paper, or things that seems to be true but it's speculative, or potential pitfalls of the project or potential opportunities for the project

You overwhelmingly apparent naysaying of this project only reflects your inherent bias. Your feeble attempts at sowing doubt in my optimism by painting me as an agent or a buyer makes it doubly apparent of some agenda

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QUOTE(Erictan1981 @ Oct 13 2021, 08:46 AM)
when2meets, bro. If you read the whole thread. This holypredator seem like very aggressive give bad comment based on it own personnal perception. Come on, majority buyer bought because of location n they feel is good choice for investment and own stay. There are plenty job opportunities near pj area. Why many developer invest project at PJ area coz of high demand.

https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/889885

Why ruberex boss still interest invest @Empire Damanasara mall although people said is might be next failure mall?
What high density, jam i dun care unless you like to live at jungle or outskirt area. What.artist impression,sky desk is just plus point. Personnelly  i like live at PJ because mature township. It convinience because of strategy locatiion. i feel funny when read all his negative comment.
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By the way, I couldn't find any plans set in paper from the town planning dept on the road access, but based on EXSIM's own artist impressions, a few master plan sketches in the public domain (not by EXSIM) and DASH's drawings, it looks like there is likely a plan or a potential for building a road access using the sky deck portion currently being built. Could be a potential solution for the road access choke points.

This assessment is based on alignment of the two major roads between the Phases in the DCP, and a road access linked to DASH that runs around the backsude perimeter of Empire City and linking up to DCP via the sky deck. So there is a potential solution to the single access via LDP or Damansara Perdana, it's only a matter of when or how it could make marketing/business sense for EXSIM

Perhaps that's is the main reason why they build the sky deck now. First to link up Empire City to DCP and then perhaps to make roads access that runs along the Sky Deck too.

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By the way, I couldn't find any plans set in paper from the town planning dept on the road access, but based on EXSIM's own artist impressions, a few master plan sketches in the public domain (not by EXSIM) and DASH's drawings, it looks like there is likely a plan or a potential for building a road access using the sky deck portion currently being built. Could be a potential solution for the road access choke points.

This assessment is based on alignment of the two major roads between the Phases in the DCP, and a road access linked to DASH that runs around the backsude perimeter of Empire City and linking up to DCP via the sky deck. So there is a potential solution to the single access via LDP or Damansara Perdana, it's only a matter of when or how it could make marketing/business sense for EXSIM

Perhaps that's is the main reason why they build the sky deck now. First to link up Empire City to DCP and then perhaps to make roads access that runs along the Sky Deck too.
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More information based on a couple of renditions available in the public domain

4. Existing road access via Damansara Perdana
3. Loop over Sky Deck to front side of Empire City
2. Loop over Sky Deck to back side of Empire City
1. Existing underpass that runs under LDP

If this comes to fruition, then there will be options for future DCP residents to conveniently link up to LDP or DASH or
Penchala SPRINT

P.S. From attached image no. 1 you can also see that road no. 3 has a direct access ramp off into DCP for LDP heading north

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RIGHT.... All that "I am based in evidence"...and then you go on to  claim "it is not happening". Well, so much for evidence based statements and facts. If you can't see through your own hypocrisy, nothing will convinces you

Unlike you, like I have already clearly put in my posts, I am discussing about "potential", "hypothesis". Not hearsay or claims or statements

And yes you only know what you know, so much for waving through and disregarding the fact that is the sky deck being contructed when it does not serve your narrative.. DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND STOP PREACHING.

It is alright to bring up pros and cons of any particular project, just that it is right for prospective buyers and existing buyers to speculate the potential of a particular project. But is not right to be hypocritical and claim "I am evidence based, wave off evidence preach speculative doom (i.e. it is not happening) and then go on sitting on the high horse and wallowing in hypocrisy
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Again... as I have mentioned in my previous post... I only look at official sources and I give my opinion only on things that have either confirmed to be true or at least on a "planning" stage by the developers...

However... you keep attacking me on a personal level... calling me a hypocrite and saying I have some sort of motive just because I don't support your imagination or speculation on something the developer them self did not commit?? What kind of bullshit is this??

After so many post... and being so confident about the sky deck... you can't even provide me any sort of evidence apart from constantly saying that you've seen it being constructed... I'm not an unreasonable person.. I won't deny for the sake of denying... if you could show me proof that there is a construction board stating "pembinaan sky bridge" or an official statement from the developer.... then at least you are not just backing up what you claim for the sky bridge is true but also providing a solid piece of information to the readers here..

Even if the sky bridge thing is true... there is ZERO correlation between the bridge and your waterfall park or whatever park you want to call it..

Don't just tell everyone that you saw some pillar in the middle of the road and then start claiming it is a sky bridge or try to present something vague based on information that are not credible...
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Yes this is when you start projecting delusional projections on people who does not fit your world view, first claiming I am an agent and now claiming I am a buyer. Trying to build a strawmen argument here are you?

I am none of the above. I weigh the pros and cons and I discuss about potential. Unlike you, hypocritically negative about this project by only highlighting negatives and peep squeak when positives stares back at you (examples of the hypocrisy? Others say: double glazed windows, you: no comment. Other say: Look, it doesn't make sense to invest in the sky deck as it not profitable. you: really, there is a sky deck, show me the evidence. Others: Oh, I thought you know it all?)

We are here to discuss the project, be it things that has been commited to paper, or things that seems to be true but it's speculative, or potential pitfalls of the project or potential opportunities for the project

You overwhelmingly apparent naysaying of this project only reflects your inherent bias. Your feeble attempts at sowing doubt in my optimism by painting me as an agent or a buyer makes it doubly apparent of some agenda
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Says the guy who keeps imagining and speculating things that the developer did not officially announce..

Don't say that I am putting words in your mouth cause I can quote all your speculation right here...

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if EXSIM is creative enough and smart about it, they should make the rock face an attraction.


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the demarcation of DCP area in the public domain does indicated that DCP might include a small strip to the cliff edge of the said rock face.


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An entrepeunerial mind can even make this an adventure park for rock climbing.


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As for the water falls, it just having pumps. Even Seresta have an artificial waterfall in that development


Letting your imagination run wild yea?? From a park to a clift with waterfall... and then an adventure park for rock climbing...

If the artist impression is an official document release by the developer then yea... good... might not happen since plan can be changed but I won't argue on the reason why it won't happen cause at the very least it is an official plan by the developer..

However...as mentioned before.... the artist impression is not even official... it is not used by the developer anywhere and the developer did not claim that there will be a park being built there...
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More information based on a couple of renditions available in the public domain

4. Existing road access via Damansara Perdana
3. Loop over Sky Deck to front side of Empire City
2. Loop over Sky Deck to back side of Empire City
1. Existing underpass that runs under LDP

If this comes to fruition, then there will be options for future DCP residents to conveniently link up to LDP or DASH or
Penchala SPRINT

P.S. From attached image no. 1 you can also see that road no. 3 has a direct access ramp off into DCP for LDP heading north
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at this point... I am done replying your posts...

from starting till now... not a single piece of information you've presented is from any credible or official sources...

all vague information obtain from 3rd party agents... and then you would start to justify and "explain" like you are one of the contractor doh.gif doh.gif

enough is enough.... until the developer release something... or until someone manage to snap a photo of the construction board proving either the park or sky bridge... I think we are done here... stop speculating.. stop imagining..


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Again... as I have mentioned in my previous post... I only look at official sources and I give my opinion only on things that have either confirmed to be true or at least on a "planning" stage by the developers...

However... you keep attacking me on a personal level... calling me a hypocrite and saying I have some sort of motive just because I don't support your imagination or speculation on something the developer them self did not commit?? What kind of bullshit is this??

After so many post... and being so confident about the sky deck... you can't even provide me any sort of evidence apart from constantly saying that you've seen it being constructed... I'm not an unreasonable person.. I won't deny for the sake of denying... if you could show me proof that there is a construction board stating "pembinaan sky bridge" or an official statement from the developer.... then at least you are not just backing up what you claim for the sky bridge is true but also providing a solid piece of information to the readers here..

Even if the sky bridge thing is true... there is ZERO correlation between the bridge and your waterfall park or whatever park you want to call it..

Don't just tell everyone that you saw some pillar in the middle of the road and then start claiming it is a sky bridge or try to present something vague based on information that are not credible...
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Look in the mirror man. And read my posts diligently

In short, you attacked and made accusations. I merely posited an opinion about the potential of the rock face artist impression I explained and questioned your motivations

Go figure. The sky deck construction is so big and so prominent it's hard to miss. You're a facts guy right, before you open your mouth and shoot your guns, go do a site visit

I brought up the sky deck because it can be correlated to a point you insist if making, you posited that "no developer will spend the money to build something they cannot sell". The sky deck is precisely this investment that the developer is making despite it not even in any official brochures for the phase 1 to 4

In fact the sky deck only exists in artist impressions

Like I said, it is not the end until the fat lady sings. You're in actual fact missing the forest for the trees. It is true that a developer will act if it makes business sense. And to me, the sky deck makes perfect business sense, so too for the even much cheaper facilities that can be built on the rock face that makes up the artists impressions that you are so anal about

Like I said, I have been clear that I am making deductions based on the opportunity value of the rock face

In contrast you're making bold claims of IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN based on deductions. So much for evidence and facts.
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 13 2021, 01:50 PM)
Says the guy who keeps imagining and speculating things that the developer did not officially announce..

Don't say that I am putting words in your mouth cause I can quote all your speculation right here...
Letting your imagination run wild yea?? From a park to a clift with waterfall... and then an adventure park for rock climbing...

If the artist impression is an official document release by the developer then yea... good... might not happen since plan can be changed but I won't argue on the reason why it won't happen cause at the very least it is an official plan by the developer..

However...as mentioned before.... the artist impression is not even official... it is not used by the developer anywhere and the developer did not claim that there will be a park being built there...
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You clearly are sub par when it comes to comprehension. Or is it because your warped logic and ego has clouded your mind

Read my posts again.

The park (or in the case, I mention it as artist impression or rock face) is relevant to my opinions of the instrinsic untapped marketing value of this unique topology that EXSIM can choose to or not choose to activate. I merely see the potential. I don't make claims.

As for the sky deck, it has been used as an analogy to point out the err in your thoughtprocess and also your lack thereof of objectivity/or due diligence despite claiming to be all facts, figures and evidence based

It's clear to all you have not visited the site, at least the a period of 1.5 years. The construction of the sky deck have been ongoing for at least 1.5 years. I don't think you should even be taken seriously on this point alone. So much for facts, figures and evidence based

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at this point... I am done replying your posts...

from starting till now... not a single piece of information you've presented is from any credible or official sources...

all vague information obtain from 3rd party agents... and then you would start to justify and "explain" like you are one of the contractor  doh.gif  doh.gif

enough is enough.... until the developer release something... or until someone manage to snap a photo of the construction board proving either the park or sky bridge... I think we are done here... stop speculating.. stop imagining..
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Doesn't matter if you respond or not. My points are made clear for all to see. And so too are your lack of attention to the development that's happening. 1.5 years of the sky deck being constructed in the flesh, and you don't see it. So much for your assesments and bold claims
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You know what, all this talk about no evidence of the sky deck. Just a cursory search in Google Earth would already have shown you the exact documentation and actual pics of the earliest structures of this sky deck being built almost 1.5 years ago.

It's now fully covered and still being constructed, you can experienced it yourself if you happen to travel south or north bound, it is a couple of short km from the Penchala LDP toll .

At this construction is smack exactly at where the sky deck should be according to the "unofficial" " unauthorized" "artist impression" renditions of the sky deck in the public domains

Some might say it is "hence not fact (according to some)" because there's no EXSIM logo, but it's all there in the metal, both in scale and size and actual construction

Do a site recce if you wish to consider this development.

Naysayers and agents alike can't be trusted 100%, even my opinions should be looked upon with your own analysis. Even if you're at home in front of a computer due to the pandemic, as I have already shown you a couple of times in this thread, that you still can form your own analysis, Google can be your tool. So are the news like the Edge which focuses on the business profiles and developments of these developers.

There is always pros and cons to a development, but there is also always a development that fits your needs and requirements. Who doesn't want to stay at multimillion sought after locales with seemingly littlr to no cons, and tons of upsides. But can everybody afford such dreams or excesses?

There are a lot of downsides to this development. I too would not shortlist this development as it is now. But at the same time there is also plenty of opportunity too to be had. It all depends on your portfolio, your capability and your risk considerations. It also depends on how you move the collective voice to force the hand of the developer or the town planning authorities.

Do a site recce. Form your own opinions.

And when you see extremes in opinions, positive or negative, treat it like a red flag, it's likely just a overbearing keyboard warrior trying to peddle an agenda or someone stuck in their own rut of their own bad experience, and trying to make it toxic for others too

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Look in the mirror man. And read my posts diligently

In short, you attacked and made accusations. I merely posited an opinion about the potential of the rock face artist impression I explained and questioned your motivations

Go figure. The sky deck construction is so big and so prominent it's hard to miss. You're a facts guy right, before you open your mouth and shoot your guns, go do a site visit

I brought up the sky deck because it can be correlated to a point you insist if making, you posited that "no developer will spend the money to build something they cannot sell". The sky deck is precisely this investment that the developer is making despite it not even in any official brochures for the phase 1 to 4

In fact the sky deck only exists in artist impressions

Like I said, it is not the end until the fat lady sings. You're in actual fact missing the forest for the trees. It is true that a developer will act if it makes business sense. And to me, the sky deck makes perfect business sense, so too for the even much cheaper facilities that can be built on the rock face that makes up the artists impressions that you are so anal about

Like I said, I have been clear that I am making deductions based on the opportunity value of the rock face

In contrast you're making bold claims of IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN based on deductions. So much for evidence and facts.
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I attacked you and accused you?? That is rich....please quote me... or is this another imagination of yours to play victim here??

Unlike you... personal attacks after personal attacks.... and now trying to insult other's intelligence just because you got offended when I ask you to provide "evidence" on whatever you have claimed to be true..

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You clearly are sub par when it comes to comprehension. Or is it because your warped logic and ego has clouded your mind


Again... there is ZERO correlation between the sky bridge and the park... and yet you still can't provide any sort of evidence like construction board or news article or developer's announcement on this so called sky bridge...

I want to reiterate this.... the sky bridge and the park has ZERO correlation... if anything the sky bridge might make more sense since there are commercial links between the 2 location while the fancy park that you are imagining has no commercial value to the developer...

Also... please stop trying to show off your vocabulary when you yourself have no idea what the words mean... it is difficult to understand you when you are using idioms that are non-existence... what is "before you open your mouth and shoot your guns"?? Just convey in simple English... it may help get your message across better..




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You know what, all this talk about no evidence of the sky deck. Just a cursory search in Google Earth would already have shown you the exact documentation and actual pics of the earliest structures of this sky deck being built almost 1.5 years ago.

It's now fully covered and still being constructed, you can experienced it yourself if you happen to travel south or north bound, it is a couple of short km from the Penchala LDP toll .

At this construction is smack exactly at where the sky deck should be according to the "unofficial" " unauthorized" "artist impression" renditions of the sky deck in the public domains

Some might say it is "hence not fact (according to some)" because there's no EXSIM logo, but it's all there in the metal, both in scale and size and actual construction

Do a site recce if you wish to consider this development.

Naysayers and agents alike can't be trusted 100%, even my opinions should be looked upon with your own analysis. Even if you're at home in front of a computer due to the pandemic, as I have already shown you a couple of times in this thread, that you still can form your own analysis, Google can be your tool. So are the news like the Edge which focuses on the business profiles and developments of these developers.

There is always pros and cons to a development, but there is also always a development that fits your needs and requirements. Who doesn't want to stay at multimillion sought after locales with seemingly littlr to no cons, and tons of upsides. But can everybody afford such dreams or excesses?

There are a lot of downsides to this development. I too would not shortlist this development as it is now. But at the same time there is also plenty of opportunity too to be had. It all depends on your portfolio, your capability and your risk considerations. It also depends on how you move the collective voice to force the hand of the developer or the town planning authorities.

Do a site recce. Form your own opinions.

And when you see extremes in opinions, positive or negative, treat it like a red flag, it's likely just a overbearing keyboard warrior trying to peddle an agenda or someone stuck in their own rut of their own bad experience, and trying to make it toxic for others too
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Your skybridge park or sky deck park is just a pedestrian bridge.... we all know that it already exist doh.gif doh.gif ... it's in the edgeproperty news when Exism took over the project from mammoth... they already said they will link the 2 damansara perdana land... it is not something special....

So your entire argument from the beginning on your so called "Skybridge Park" or "sky deck park"... has always been a pedestrian bridge ... which have been in the news.... but you made it sound like they are building some hidden special "skybridge park" or "sky deck park" that no one knows...

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I attacked you and accused you?? That is rich....please quote me... or is this another imagination of yours to play victim here??

Unlike you... personal attacks after personal attacks.... and now trying to insult other's intelligence just because you got offended when I ask you to provide "evidence" on whatever you have claimed to be true..
Again... there is ZERO correlation between the sky bridge and the park... and yet you still can't provide any sort of evidence like construction board or news article or developer's announcement on this so called sky bridge...

I want to reiterate this.... the sky bridge and the park has ZERO correlation... if anything the sky bridge might make more sense since there are commercial links between the 2 location while the fancy park that you are imagining has no commercial value to the developer...

Also... please stop trying to show off your vocabulary when you yourself have no idea what the words mean... it is difficult to understand you when you are using idioms that are non-existence... what is "before you open your mouth and shoot your guns"??  Just convey in simple English... it may help get your message across better..
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You didn't attack me? search your own posts . Use the term "property agent" and then the term "just because you are a buyer" and then the phrase "Letting your imagination run wild yea??" It's obvious you're trying to sow doubt by making a me strawman of your favorite punch bags

I already pointed you to the correlation. You made a strong claim "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN" based on a motley of presumptions that can be summed up as "a developer will not build something they cannot ..." I posited that EXSIM building the sky deck (that they cannot sell) is the obvious counter to this presumption

Moreover, you often make a second presumption that any artist impressions without the developer's "stamp" is not to be believed. Again this presumption falls apart in the context of the sky deck. Its not on any material with EXSIM's "stamp" on it

I am no problems with you making presumptions, but to make snarky comments and color and belittle other's presumptions/speculations and then go around being holier that thou making equally presumptuous claims "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN" that's hypocrisy, better learn to admit that

Same hypocrisy when you make bold claims (ostensibly based on facts and evidence) when clearly you have not even visited the site. Can be extrapolated by your total ignorance to the fact that the sky deck is being built.

It is well within my rights to communicate in my own way. It is obnoxious of you to try to make another strawmen attack (trying to paint me as elitist perhaps?). I think my use of vocabulary is within the bounds of being reasonable. If you can't fathom some of my vocabulary, there is always Google translate.

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Your skybridge park or sky deck park is just a pedestrian bridge.... we all know that it already exist  doh.gif  doh.gif ... it's in the edgeproperty news when Exism took over the project from mammoth... they already said they will link the 2 damansara perdana land... it is not something special....

So your entire argument from the beginning on your so called "Skybridge Park" or "sky deck park"... has always been a pedestrian bridge ... which have been in the news.... but you made it sound like they are building some hidden special "skybridge park" or "sky deck park" that no one knows...

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Yes, visit the site and gauge the scale, size and spec. Pedestrian bridge kononnya. Another keyboard loud mouth who have never visited the site. It is listed in MBPJ as a jejantas, because law requires an overpass for pedestrians to be listed at such. Visit the site, and you will see the scale. Better yet, visit Google Earth and take a trip. You will notice that at the same time, this sky deck is shouldered by two very obvious car flyovers being built. It is already clear from dated Google Earth footage from 1.5 years ago. If you're really into real facts, visit the site tomorrow, its even more apparent its the sky deck/sky garden shouldered by structures build for heavy cars.
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I've since taken a trip around the site on Google Earth, since I feel there is a need to "flog a dead horse" that keeps missing the point

Anyway, something interesting I noted. The first picture shows the existing road access that I have labelled No. 2. An existing access that runs underneath LDP connecting Bukit Lanjan/Empire City area to the DCP site/area

What's more surprising is there is an existing bus route running on both sides of the LDP

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Pedestrian crossing kononnya...... See for yourself the actual old footage of this pedestrian bridge from 1.5 years ago. And I encourage interested persons to follow up with a site recce visit tomorrow (its even more extensive now). Judge for yourself. We don't need to listen to nonsense coming from recalcitrants

It is just like the passage in little red riding hood goes "Oh grandma, look how big those concrete buttresses are..." "Oh grandma, look how strong those steel foundations are specced" "Oh grandma, look how wide the concrete buttresses are laid along the LDP on both sides"

Wow just wow, pray tell Grandma, what are these things? It must be for thousands of pedestrians at once , it must be..... biggrin.gif


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Another rather interesting observation on Google Earth. Especially if you align and overlay these actual existing structures under construction with the "unbranded", "unauthorised" , "artist impressions" found in the public domain illustrating the sky deck and sky garden

Shown in bright green solid lines are the huge concrete buttresses lining each side if the LDP (shown in the actual pictures of my last comment). In the previous comment, you will also see that the huge concrete buttresses are used to support a thick network of steel columns

The dotted green line are areas on the DCP side that have yet to have buttresses. But this is old Google maps footage. Drive along LDP today and you will find half or a quarter of the dotted lines have new concrete buttresses being constructed

Yes, it's true, there's no news from EXSIM or MAMMOTH on what the hell is this, apart from a sign indicating its a jejantas. EXSIM and the news aren't confirming anything since that jejantas report in Edge.

If you overlay the artist impression and road alignments on top of the Google map exaiting structures, there can be little doubt it's the sky deck/sky garden due to the size, scale, dimensions and spec. But don't quote me, IB]I have "no proof", "no official EXSIM statement" to back up my hypothesis[/B]. I could very well be wrong.... Maybe Elon Musk is building a space X platform over LDP, that must be it 😂

The pink lines, the one on the right the actual construction is almost complete, its a overpass flyover from the Empire City side to the DCP side (as shown in the old Google Maps footage). This route also links to DASH on the extreme southern end of Empire city

I am more speculative of the pink line on the left of the illustration (labelled as No. 2 in my other doodle). The built size, spec and alignment of the existing structures matches exactly the no. 2 shown in at least three versions of the sky deck artist impressions I have found in the public domain. The only part missing is the ramp over LDP to the DCP. ....... imagine and speculate to your peril ....... some people on this thread can't take such imaginations, extrapolations and deductions sweat.gif biggrin.gif

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More "unbranded" "unauthorised" "undeclared" "artist impressions". Let's "be clear", we're making presumptions by matching artist impression to actual real construction work on site.

By golly, don't "take me seriously" this could well be an overamp build to carry pedestrians that weigh tons.....

Again marked in green are old google maps footage showing the huge concrete buttresses that we "hypothesise" is the sky deck /sky garden / pedestrian crossing due to how it overlays almost perfectly to the artist impressions. But don't quote me😂, EXSIM doesn claim this, so if you take me seriously, some commentators here will get pissed infuriated .😅

Visit on site tomorrow and you will find the construction now is even more extensive. Both sides of the concrete buttresses have now been covered with a thick network scaffold of steel. This "pedestrian crossing" currently cover over the LDP, spanning at least 2 football fields in width, likely more.

Marked in pink, is what I "hypothesise 😂", as the road access no. 3 connecting DCP side, across LDP, to the Empire City side. Why I "speculate/hypothesise/deduce" so? This alignment can be easily correlated and overlaid to the approximate "imaginary" location of the roundabout road on the sky deck shown in at least three versions of "unauthorised" "un-EXSIM" "artist impressions" found in the public domain.

Again I caution, take me seriously to your peril, there are people here that don't like us being deductive and optimistic, without "EVIDENCE that they agree with" biggrin.gif .

Then again, this no.3 could also just be a simple off ramp from LDP direct into DCP, if EXSIM choose not to build the roundabout road illustrated in the sky deck. Naysayers can embrace this line of speculation. I'm sure these persona love this interpretation more than a sky deck that can cater for cars access biggrin.gif brows.gif biggrin.gif

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You didn't attack me?  search your own posts . Use the term "property agent" and then the term "just because you are a buyer" and then the phrase "Letting your imagination run wild yea??"  It's obvious you're trying to sow doubt by making a me strawman of your favorite punch bags

I already pointed you to the correlation. You made a strong claim "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN" based on a motley of presumptions that can be summed up as "a developer will not build something they cannot ..." I posited that EXSIM building the sky deck (that they cannot sell) is the obvious counter to this presumption

Moreover, you often make a second presumption that any artist impressions without the developer's "stamp" is not to be believed. Again this presumption falls apart in the context of the sky deck. Its not on any material with EXSIM's "stamp" on it

I am no problems with you making presumptions, but to make snarky comments and color and belittle other's presumptions/speculations and then go around being holier that thou making equally presumptuous claims "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN"  that's hypocrisy, better learn to admit that

Same hypocrisy when you make bold claims (ostensibly based on facts and evidence) when clearly you have not even visited the site. Can be extrapolated by your total ignorance to the fact that the sky deck is being built.

It is well within my rights to communicate in my own way. It is obnoxious of you to try to make another strawmen attack (trying to paint me as elitist perhaps?).  I think my use of vocabulary is within the bounds of being reasonable. If you can't fathom some of my vocabulary, there is always Google translate.
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I was asking whether you are a buyer or a property agent... that is an attack?? Letting your imagination run wild is an attack??

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what are you saying man... could you just use simple english?? If you do not know how to use idioms don't use... it is fine if you want to be posh and show off your vocabulary but at the very least... get it right or else no one will know what are you trying to say

The pedestrian bridge or some sort of link between ECD and ECD2 has always been in the news when Exism decides to pick up...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/news...mes-empire-city
https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1546174/mam...-city-damansara

heck... it is also stated on Exism own site

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The promise of easy connectivity and accessibility from your doorstep to wherever life brings you. Located at the intersection of several key highways, D’Cosmos Residences is supported by a network of access roads and various highways like the Lebuhraya Damansara-Puchong (LDP), Penchala Link, soon-to-be completed DASH Highway, Jalan PJU 8/8, Jalan Damansara and proposed link roads.


https://www.dcosmos.com.my/

They've never hid the fact that there will be enhancement made to the connectivity between the areas.... that was also one of their main selling point!!! the network of connection between the areas...

How does all these relates to your so called "waterfall adventure park with rock climbing" right in the middle of the previously named "ECD2" land... where the developer did not even claim that they are going to have it in the first place??

Also.. it's not about building something that doesn't make money... as mentioned before... it ties in with the product they sell... for example.. tropicana metropark and the ramp bridge... it was mentioned that they are going to build it... something for buyer's to consider.....

It would be absolutely weird if AFTER tropicana have completely sold out all their projects... then suddenly say ... how about we build a ramp bridge... because it will help ease the residence life??? sweat.gif sweat.gif

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I was asking whether you are a buyer or a property agent... that is an attack?? Letting your imagination run wild is an attack??
what are you saying man... could you just use simple english?? If you do not know how to use idioms don't use... it is fine if you want to be posh and show off your vocabulary but at the very least... get it right or else no one will know what are you trying to say

The pedestrian bridge or some sort of link between ECD and ECD2 has always been in the news when Exism decides to pick up...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/news...mes-empire-city
https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1546174/mam...-city-damansara

heck... it is also stated on Exism own site
https://www.dcosmos.com.my/

They've never hid the fact that there will be enhancement made to the connectivity between the areas.... that was also one of their main selling point!!! the network of connection between the areas...

How does all these relates to your so called "waterfall adventure park with rock climbing" right in the middle of the previously named "ECD2" land... where the developer did not even claim that they are going to have it in the first place??
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GO read your own posts dude. The context is clear. There is no other implied meaning other than to paint me as a buyer or a agent that is "making make belief" to "sell falsehoods"

Letting your imagination run wild is an attack?? Of course it is, its an attempt to belittle, especially when read together with the full text of your comment. If you still don't get it, I'll hazard an elaboration, IMO it is a comment that is implied to get persons to contrast my "fanciful imaginations" to your "-supposedly- rock solid evidence based 'IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN' claim" .... It is nothing short of an infantile attempt at solicitating brownie points and popular support. But alas, it missed the point. The intention of my comments was to point out the potential opportunity of the rock wall. In your own warped logic, you lumped me together with "agents - selling falsehoods"

Read my posts, I am discussing possibilities with thread audiences, unlike you, which I will onforth call the the 'IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" hypocritical prophet.

Yes, very rich, can't respond to intellectual challenges, deflect by attacking my language and "idioms". Nice try, this is not Trump America you know. Infantile attempt at debate

Try to convince a logical observer that the structures I just showed are "pedestrian". A sky deck can be classified as pedestrian too, I would opine that its a creative way to exploit legal loopholes for town planning approval.

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Google Strawman

A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

Try to deduce why I call you out for trying to make a strawman argument... biggrin.gif

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2. A target of frequent criticism or abuse: "He ... became a punching bag for every comic's fat jokes" (Vanity Fair) ...
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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Oct 13 2021, 09:30 PM)
GO read your own posts dude. The context is clear. There is no other implied meaning other than to paint me as a buyer or a agent that is "making make belief" to "sell falsehoods"

Letting your imagination run wild is an attack?? Of course it is, its an attempt to belittle, especially when read together with the full text of your comment. If you still don't get it, I'll hazard an elaboration, IMO it is a comment that is implied to get persons to  contrast my "fanciful imaginations" to your "-supposedly- rock solid evidence based 'IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN' claim" .... It is nothing short of an infantile attempt at solicitating brownie points and popular support. But alas, it missed the point. The intention of my comments was to point out the potential opportunity of the rock wall. In your own warped logic, you lumped me together with "agents - selling falsehoods"

Read my posts, I am discussing possibilities with thread audiences, unlike you, which I will onforth call the the 'IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" hypocritical prophet.

Yes, very rich, can't respond to intellectual challenges, deflect by attacking my language and "idioms". Nice try, this is not Trump America you know. Infantile attempt at debate

Try to convince a logical observer that the structures I just showed are "pedestrian". A sky deck can be classified as pedestrian too, I would opine that its a creative way to exploit legal loopholes for town planning approval.
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Again... readers would be more interested in facts... not speculation.... to me... if there is no credible source to show it will happen.... then it is not going to happen.... period...

intellectual challenges... ok... sure ... "very intellectual" you are.... communication is all about being able to send the message across... not sure what kind of "intellectual challenge" you are expecting... when you can't communicate well and starts turning nouns into verbs .. like mantra-ing... just say preaching cannot?? want to invent your own word and expect people to guess what you are trying to say?? Also.. most expressions or idioms that you have used don't make sense... and I'm not talking about you using it wrongly or out of context but you are literally making up phrases expecting people to know what you are trying to say...

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I've never heard of either of the phrases or expressions before... maybe you are just making up words to hide the fact that you cannot show a single proof that the developer has planned or committed to building your waterfall wall climbing park apart from some artist impressions photo which as I have mentioned... wasn't official or used by the developers...

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 13 2021, 09:55 PM)
Again... readers would be more interested in facts... not speculation.... to me... if there is no credible source to show it will happen.... then it is not going to happen.... period...

intellectual challenges... ok... sure ... "very intellectual" you are....  communication is all about being able to send the message across... not sure what kind of "intellectual challenge" you are expecting... when you can't communicate well and starts turning nouns into verbs .. like mantra-ing...  just say preaching cannot?? want to invent your own word and expect people to guess what you are trying to say?? Also.. most expressions or idioms that you have used don't make sense... and I'm not talking about you using it wrongly or out of context but you are literally making up phrases expecting people to know what you are trying to say...
I've never heard of either of the phrases or expressions before... maybe you are just making up words to hide the fact that you cannot show a single proof that the developer has planned or committed to building your waterfall wall climbing park apart from some artist impressions photo which as I have mentioned... wasn't official or used by the developers...
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Like I said resorting to semantics in your retort? It's infantile. It's what we did call a red herring fallacy. Diversions doesn't work. I've already pointed out your hypocrisy. That enough is clear for all to see

And get your warped logic straight. I am and has been very clear with my comments and opinions on the rock wall and the parks, waterfalls, climbing attraction. I have never once claimed it will be built, I only pointed it out as an opportunity that the developer can activate. If they choose too. I've already mentioned this thrice, go and read my comments word for word.

Do not project your personal bias or comprehension inadequacies or fallacies onto the my comments on the rock wall.

I did not claim it is official. Nor did I say Exsim will build it. It's all in your mind. Get that straight

The very fact you attempted to "paint" me, first, as a agent, and then as a "aloof" buyer, all as an attempt to substantiate your arguments, is telling.

I can tell you straight that these incorrect interpretation of my comments and logical fallacies is all in your mind and very clear for all to see. You're making incorrect projections of perceived notions onto my comments.

I feel it's likely because of your internal "dislike" of this development. I won't speculate further, but your overt angst and negativity are clear as day.

Phrases and expressions? Make uup phrases?????

Again do not project your own inadequacies onto my abilities.

Go do a simple Google research on Wikipedia or better yet, Merriam Webster or Oxford Dictionary.

Practice what you preach. Look up on the actual meanings of "logical fallacies" and idiomatic terms like punching bags and straw man, stop and study before you open your mouth and make a further fool of yourself with those infantile retorts......make up phrases..... By golly....

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Like I said resorting to semantics in your retort? It's infantile. It's what we did call a red herring fallacy. Diversions doesn't work. I've already pointed out your hypocrisy. That enough is clear for all to see

And get your warped logic straight. I am and has been very clear with my comments and opinions on the rock wall and the parks, waterfalls, climbing attraction. I have never once claimed it will be built, I only pointed it out as an opportunity that the developer can activate. If they choose too. I've already mentioned this thrice, go and read my comments word for word.

Do not project your personal bias or comprehension inadequacies or fallacies onto the my comments on the rock wall.

I did not claim it is official. Nor did I say Exsim will build it. It's all in your mind. Get that straight

The very fact you attempted to "paint" me, first, as a agent, and then as a "aloof" buyer, all as an attempt to substantiate your arguments, is telling.

I can tell you straight that these incorrect interpretation of my comments and logical fallacies is all in your mind and very clear for all to see. You're making incorrect projections of perceived notions onto my comments.

I feel it's likely because of your internal "dislike" of this development. I won't speculate further, but your overt angst and negativity are clear as day. 

Phrases and expressions? Make uup phrases?????

Again do not project your own inadequacies onto my abilities.

Go do a simple Google research on Wikipedia or better yet, Merriam Webster or Oxford Dictionary.

Practice what you preach. Look up on the actual meanings of "logical fallacies" and idiomatic terms like punching bags and straw man, stop and study before you open your mouth and make a further fool of yourself with those infantile retorts......make up phrases..... By golly....
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You tell me.... since you are making up phrases that doesn't mean anything...

You did not claim they are official and you did not say Exsim will build it... OK.... but the problem is... you are trying real hard to convince me your imagination is real... when I say I only believe facts or official statements...otherwise we won't be having this conversation....
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 13 2021, 10:32 PM)
You tell me.... since you are making up phrases that doesn't mean anything...

You did not claim they are official and you did not say Exsim will build it... OK.... but the problem is... you are trying real hard to convince me your imagination is real... when I say I only believe facts or official statements...otherwise we won't be having this conversation....
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Your recalcitrance and incompetence is insufferable. If you're too lazy to do a simple search to find out what the phrases mean, then just say you don't care. Repeating the same "making up phrases" retort only reflects badly on you. Stop embarrassing yourself. Follow what you preach, I'll point you to a key word. Google "logical fallacies". I can assure you whatever you read on logical fallacies will benefit you.

At the same time, I repeat once again, do not project your own insecurity, your own distaste of this project, and your own preconceived notions on me and my comments.

I am not trying to convince anyone. Nor am I here to "sell" this project. There is not enough points in this project to convince me to invest or buy to stay.

I only entertain responding to you because I am trying to point out your err and at the same time to correct your incorrect notions of what I have been doing - a discussion of some aspect of the project. It is unwarranted that you paint my discussions with your venomous preconceptions that taints and color what I have been doing with my comments

Unlike you, I do not set out to convince anyone, nor do I want to be overbearing in my opinions on others. I am merely stating my observations, deductions and an opinion, that, there the potential pitfalls and also potential opportunities to be had with this project

If you track actually my comments on this thread. You will find that I am one of the few who brought forth an pro and cons analysis of the topology of the site, I also posited an analysis that D'Erica has more upsides than the other phases. I am also the one who bring in the info if the MBPJ town planning (4th amendment) and its potential impact. I am among the first who found out and shared info on the temple in front of D'Erica. I also commented on the downsides that is Flora Damansara and the mosque.

I also mentioned legacy follies and bad rep linked to Mammoth Empire's incompetence with Empire City, and the substandard wreak that is Empire City. I am just as happy to share positive info about the recent cash infusion for Empire City Mall...that might go on to salvage Empire City Mall and all the owners who have invested in that project.

This is what I would consider productive discussions and information sharing.

You claim to be all evidence based and fact basedin all your comments, but I find that you gleefully repeat and highlight any downsides of this project, but when challenged with positives on the project, your go to reactions does not jive with your self annointed claims that you are fact based and unbiased. - this part, it is my observation and conclusion based in all your responses and retorts

That's probably also the motivating reason I entertain your retorts and responses. I want to point you to your err and your veil. And hope you reflect on that. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do not need your, or anyone elses' acknowledgement or approval of what I bring forth to the table for discussion. Buyer and pundits can make up their own minds.


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Your recalcitrance and incompetence is insufferable. If you're too lazy to do a simple search to find out what the phrases mean, then just say you don't care. Repeating the same "making up phrases" retort only reflects badly on you. Stop embarrassing yourself. Follow what you preach, I'll point you to a key word. Google "logical fallacies". I can assure you whatever you read on logical fallacies will benefit you.

At the same time, I repeat once again, do not project your own insecurity, your own distaste of this project, and your own preconceived notions on me and my comments.

I am not trying to convince anyone. Nor am I here to "sell" this project. There is not enough points in this project to convince me to invest or buy to stay.

I only entertain responding to you because  I am  trying to point out your err and at the same time to correct your incorrect notions of what I have been doing  - a discussion of some aspect of the project. It is unwarranted that you paint my discussions with your venomous preconceptions that taints and color what I have been doing with my comments

Unlike you, I do not set out to convince anyone, nor do I want to be overbearing in my opinions on others. I am merely stating my observations, deductions and an opinion, that, there the potential pitfalls and also potential opportunities to be had with this project

If you track actually my comments on this thread. You will find that  I am one of the few who brought forth an pro and cons analysis of the topology of the site, I also posited an analysis that D'Erica has more upsides than the other phases. I am also the one who bring in the info if the MBPJ town planning (4th amendment) and its potential impact. I am among the first who found out and shared info on the temple in front of D'Erica. I also commented on the downsides that is Flora Damansara and the mosque.

I also mentioned legacy follies and bad rep linked to Mammoth Empire's incompetence with Empire City, and the substandard wreak that is Empire City. I am just as happy to share positive  info about the recent cash infusion for Empire City Mall...that might go on to salvage Empire City Mall and all the owners who have invested in that project.

This is what I would consider productive discussions and information sharing.

You claim to be all evidence based and fact basedin all your comments, but I find that you gleefully repeat and highlight any downsides of this project, but when challenged with positives on the project, your go to reactions does not jive with your self annointed claims that you are fact based and unbiased. - this part, it is my observation and conclusion based in all your responses and retorts

That's probably also the motivating reason I entertain your retorts and responses. I want to point you to your err and your veil. And hope you reflect on that. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do not need your, or anyone elses' acknowledgement or approval of what I bring forth to the table for discussion. Buyer and pundits can make up their own minds.
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let's just agree to leave your communication skills out of the conversation moving forward... I can try to read between the lines if it makes you happy..

You can give your opinion... your imagination... and you can just speculate all you want... but for me... I'm all about the hard truth...

I would disprove people who speculate... but if you are trying hard to convince others on your imagination then that is on you

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let's just agree to leave your communication skills out of the conversation moving forward... I can try to read between the lines if it makes you happy..

You can give your opinion... your imagination... and you can just speculate all you want... but for me... I'm all about the hard truth...

I would disprove people who speculate... but if you are trying hard to convince others on your imagination then that is on you
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Sure suit yourself. Whatever you say.

Based on me profiling you, I think I have just the best advice for you. To save you the possible pain and anxiety , only go for projects that are already built and VPed. Better yet, only go for those that have VPed for at least five years for good measure. And also, I strongly recommend that when you buy your next house or property, only go for a development where the project is the last component in the masterplan. Follow this advice and you'll have to be the most unlucky person in the world for you to get a lemon. 👍😂😉

Also make sure you do a site recce before trying to invoke "facts" and promote your "fact based standards"

Also practice what you preach, don't speculate. Don't say IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, because doing so does not state any fact, but at best deductive extrapolation.

Here's something for you. I'll teach you it should have been done. Just rephrase your statement, you should instead say something like this "...based on my past observations of a, b, c, and d, I think is it is highly improbable that it will ever happen....."

This sentence suits the "fact based, evidence only" persona that you are trying to project on yourself. ☮️

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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Oct 14 2021, 01:24 AM)
Sure suit yourself. Whatever you say.

Based on me profiling you, I think I have just the best advice for you. To save you the possible pain and anxiety , only go for projects that are already built and VPed. Better yet, only go for those that have VPed for at least five years for good measure. And also, I strongly recommend that when you buy your next house or property, only go for a development where the project is the last component in the masterplan. Follow this advice and you'll have to be the most unlucky person in the world for you to get a lemon. 👍😂😉

Also make sure you do a site recce before trying to invoke "facts" and promote your "fact based standards"

Also practice what you preach, don't speculate. Don't say IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, because doing so does not state any fact, but at best deductive extrapolation.

Here's something for you. I'll teach you it should have been done. Just rephrase your statement, you should instead say something like this "...based on my past observations of a, b, c, and d, I think is it is highly improbable that it will ever happen....."

This sentence suits the "fact based, evidence only" persona that you are trying to project on yourself. ☮️
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I don't need your advice..

I trust what I see rather than to speculate or in a harsher way of putting it "imagining things to make myself feel good.. a.k.a Siok Sendiri"..


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I don't need your advice..

I trust what I see rather than to speculate or in a harsher way of putting it "imagining things to make myself feel good.. a.k.a Siok Sendiri"..
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Touche. Apply that advice to you, don't imagine things before the fact, " IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" kononnya 😂😅😂

It's good advice my man, especially for you. Follow that advice, and you'll have little to no room to settle at speculation, guesswork, or developers short-changing you, because you'll have the whole masterplan committed, pre built, and physically in front of you to assess all you like. BEST PROJECT FOR YOU EVER!!! 😊🤗

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the developer isnt going to put down so much funds on the facilities and not actively market it.

even the skydeck and everything was heavily marketed before. Thats how i knew about it.

when2meets2boy sounds like an agent, just be upfront about it.



I think the masterplan is quite good. However I would be careful in buildings under construction at this point in time. Steel prices have been going through the roof. There might be construction issues.

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Your skybridge park or sky deck park is just a pedestrian bridge.... we all know that it already exist  doh.gif  doh.gif ... it's in the edgeproperty news when Exism took over the project from mammoth... they already said they will link the 2 damansara perdana land... it is not something special....

So your entire argument from the beginning on your so called "Skybridge Park" or "sky deck park"... has always been a pedestrian bridge ... which have been in the news.... but you made it sound like they are building some hidden special "skybridge park" or "sky deck park" that no one knows...

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eh this is inside their marketing plan leh. Its not just a pedestrian bridge, there is going to be highways connecting empire city and damansara central park. There are videos of this on youtube.

This is the youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjNxbYjduAU


this is not just heresay, if im not wrong it is presented by the developer themselves, the proposed link bridges connecting the highways and the 2 developments are all over the news.
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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Oct 14 2021, 01:51 AM)
Touche. Apply that advice to you, don't imagine things before the fact, " IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" kononnya 😂😅😂

It's good advice my man, especially for you. Follow that advice, and you'll have little to no room to settle at speculation, guesswork, or developers short-changing you, because you'll have the whole masterplan committed, pre built, and physically in front of you to assess all you like. BEST PROJECT FOR YOU EVER!!! 😊🤗
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At the very least... I think buyers should at least practice the following :

1) Use only information that have been officially conveyed by the developer or municipal or any other credible sources
2) Take proposal plan or master plan with a pinch of salt... meaning to say "don't count the chicken before they hatch" cause even if it is an official plan... plans can always change
3) Speculation and hearsay should not be taken into consideration ... at all... especially not from some forumer who let his imagination run wild... siok sendiri ... creating scenarios like the possibility of rock climbing...artificial waterfall... and all sort of wild ideas that the developer did not even propose...


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eh this is inside their marketing plan leh. Its not just a pedestrian bridge, there is going to be highways connecting empire city and damansara central park. There are videos of this on youtube.

This is the youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjNxbYjduAU
this is not just heresay, if im not wrong it is presented by the developer themselves, the proposed link bridges connecting the highways and the 2 developments are all over the news.
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Yeah and the structure is already up over the highway currently, if you pass by that area, you will notice it.

Some people prefer to see the actual built up and not just the development plan; well they can buy after everything is completed.

Empire City has potential to come up, even Ara Damansara was once filled with abandoned projects at a point of time. Same goes to Sentul East.
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the developer isnt going to put down so much funds on the facilities and not actively market it.

even the skydeck and everything was heavily marketed before. Thats how i knew about it.

when2meets2boy sounds like an agent, just be upfront about it.
I think the masterplan is quite good. However I would be careful in buildings under construction at this point in time. Steel prices have been going through the roof. There might be construction issues.
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It seems at face value, it is a fair opinion (you think I am an agent), that is only true if you base it on just one topic (rock face) that I talked about,

That said, but it is also fair opinion for me to say that you have colored your opinion with your preconceived notions without actually being fastidious at reading my posts. In the full context. Just because someone talked about upsides to a project, you automatically assumed I am an agent. You are equally as guilty as Predator in this context, you prejudge before being "upfront about it"

Like I said, I don't sell properties. I buy them.

I have been clear in my posts, I discussed the rock face as an opportunity to be activated. I did not say it is definitely to be built.

Of course, anyone could be blindsided by information we are not aware of, we don't know what we don't know. How about the times I talked about the downsides of a project? Now then, do you automatically assume I am not an agent because I spoke of downsides

Well, I don't know what I don't know. Have the sky deck been heavily marketed before? I did not notice. But it's rather ironic isn't it? If it's has been heavily marketed before? Then it's ironic Predator (the fact based and evidence only prophet) did not notice it.

Well, what I do know about the sky deck, it is not on the EXSIM don't publish any progress updates, or post pictures of the actual construction. Nor is it in the newspapers or marketing material for all the current DCP phases. So, based on the same benchmark that Predator has set, it is highly "unlikely" it is a EXSIM authorised information, .....😂😅 Is that it? @Predator

Anyway, I mentioned the "possible" sky deck for two reasons. (1) had a quick Google map trip. (2) I am pointing out Predators's logical fallacies when he/she ridicules my discussion on the potential of the rock face as a "fantasy" but indulge in his/her own "fanciful extrapolation" that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The sky deck topic also served to show that Predator did not do a site recce, and is not the all-knowing and fastidious about facts "persona" that she/he claims to be.

As for my posts in the sky deck, I only discussed what I saw driving along LDP, what I saw documented in Google Maps last night and how these actual constructions correlated really well with the illustrations and marketing material relevant to the sky deck

But the other main premise to the sky deck topic also revolves around Predators's thesis that IT WILL NEVER BE BUILT if it does not serve commercial purpose for EXSIM to sell something. The SKY DECK is therefore an example that runs counter to this thesis

By all means of extrapolation, the sky deck will likely be much more expensive than any sort of simples structures that are the artist impressions circulated about the "park" at the rock face

So in this regards, what make you so sure that EXSIM wouldn't consider it as a potential marketing tool to be activated in the near or far future.

That said, I reiterate, I DID NOT SAY EXSIM WILL BUILD THE ROCK FACE PARK, I merely posited that it's a special opportunity that seems dumb for EXSIM not to use

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eh this is inside their marketing plan leh. Its not just a pedestrian bridge, there is going to be highways connecting empire city and damansara central park. There are videos of this on youtube.

This is the youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjNxbYjduAU
this is not just heresay, if im not wrong it is presented by the developer themselves, the proposed link bridges connecting the highways and the 2 developments are all over the news.
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I've seen this video. It's the KL Property Channel not EXSIM, I don't know what I don't know, you don't know what you don't know. And we have to be careful, Predator don't like us making speculations. So by his/her standard, can we claim this as the "official" presentation by the developer? I ain't gonna say it, it could be to my peril (it's fairly likely Predator gets worked up on this assumption)

You can state so at your own peril 😂😂😂😂😂🎊

Puns aside, doesn't change the fact, the actual construction ongoing, and the patchwork of artists impressions and "unofficial" YouTube and presentations (not to forget your statement that this was heavily marketed by EXSIM, I could not independently verify your statement, but I'll include it), does gives us a strong indicator and probability that the sky deck is here.

And this upside, along with it the direct "PEDESTRIAN" access between DCP (especially DErica) and EC and it's Mall, it is some good news for DCP. At the same time if my deductions of the overramps (for cars) (in my previous posts labelled no. 1, 2, 3, 4) holds up, then it's more good news for the existing buyers for DCP. In that, DCP will have at least more than one road access out of DCP. And if there is an overamp for traffic between DCP and EC, then the claims of easy access to DASH will also likely come into fruition

Like I say, it ain't over until the fat lady sings. And I wish all the best to the DCP buyers, the more upsides that gets confirmed, the better it gets for them despite the obvious downsides of the project.

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Sounds like a storm in a teacup
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Sounds like a storm in a teacup
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It seems at face value, it is a fair opinion (you think I am an agent), that is only true if you base it on just one topic (rock face) that I talked about,

That said, but it is also fair opinion for me to say that you have colored your opinion with your preconceived notions without actually being fastidious at reading my posts. In the full context. Just because someone talked about upsides to a project, you automatically assumed I am an agent. You are equally as guilty as Predator in this context, you prejudge before being "upfront about it"

Like I said, I don't sell properties. I buy them.

I have been clear in my posts, I discussed the rock face as an opportunity to be activated. I did not say it is definitely to be built.

Of course, anyone could be blindsided by information we are not aware of, we don't know what we don't know. How about the times I talked about the downsides of a project? Now then, do you automatically assume I am not an agent because I spoke of downsides

Well, I don't know what I don't know. Have the sky deck been heavily marketed before? I did not notice. But it's rather ironic isn't it? If it's has been heavily marketed before? Then it's ironic Predator (the fact based and evidence only prophet) did not notice it.

Well, what I do know about the sky deck, it is not on the EXSIM don't publish any progress updates, or post pictures of the actual construction. Nor is it in the newspapers or marketing material for all the current DCP phases. So, based on the same benchmark that Predator has set, it is highly "unlikely" it is a EXSIM authorised information, .....😂😅 Is that it? @Predator

Anyway, I mentioned the "possible" sky deck for two reasons. (1)  had a quick Google map trip. (2) I am pointing out Predators's logical fallacies when he/she ridicules my discussion on the potential of the rock face as a "fantasy" but indulge in his/her own "fanciful extrapolation" that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The sky deck topic also served to show that Predator did not do a site recce, and is not the all-knowing and fastidious about facts "persona" that she/he claims to be.

As for my posts in the sky deck, I only discussed what I saw driving along LDP, what I saw documented in Google Maps last night and how these actual constructions correlated really well with the illustrations and marketing material relevant to the sky deck

But the other main premise to the sky deck topic also revolves around Predators's thesis that IT WILL NEVER BE BUILT if it does not serve commercial purpose for EXSIM to sell something. The SKY DECK is therefore an example that runs counter to this thesis

By all means of extrapolation, the sky deck will likely be much more expensive than any sort of simples structures that are the artist impressions circulated about the "park" at the rock face

So in this regards, what make you so sure that EXSIM wouldn't consider it as a potential marketing tool to be activated in the near or far future.

That said, I reiterate, I DID NOT SAY EXSIM WILL BUILD THE ROCK FACE PARK, I merely posited that it's a special opportunity that seems dumb for EXSIM not to use
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Yea right... it will be "smart" for Exsim to build that shit as an after thought...

Exsim shareholders will definitely appreciate such "smart" decision.... spending their money on something that doesn't generate profit but somehow as a surprise gift to their property buyers...

Seems that some people here still don't understand that the developers are for profit organisation.....

Also.. have you ever wonder who will manage your so called artificial waterfall park with rock climbing adventure land....

Tropicana metropark "urban park" if i'm not mistaken is public... hence it is managed by MBSJ... you could tell it is a massive downgrade from the artist impression cause the real thing looks like shit.... the water is murky and dirty... since it ain't private they installed a cheap ugly non-electrical "windmill" as a way to keep the stagnated water flowing.... cause you know... it will be maintained by the municipal and they ain't going to use public funds to maintain a so called public park that is within private compound...

your waterfall .. rock climbing adventure land... is not likely to be privately maintain since you know.... this doesn't exist.... let alone mentioned in the SPA of the people who have bought their properties there...

so it is either you are imagining the whole shebang will be maintained by the municipal (yeah right... they are going to use public funds to maintain a high end high class park like how it is depicted on the artist impression photos... for a "public" park but in a private compound which mostly benefits the people who bought the residential property there)

OR

are you imagining Exsim will not just build that elaborate park for free as an after sale gift to their existing property buyer.... but also maintain it for the rest of its existence....

Common sense.... maybe you might want to use it some time thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif thumbsup.gif

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Yea right... it will be "smart" for Exsim to build that shit as an after thought...

Exsim shareholders will definitely appreciate such "smart" decision.... spending their money on something that doesn't generate profit but somehow as a surprise gift to their property buyers...

Seems that some people here still don't understand that the developers are for profit organisation.....

Also.. have you ever wonder who will manage your so called artificial waterfall park with rock climbing adventure land....

Tropicana metropark "urban park" if i'm not mistaken is public... hence it is managed by MBSJ... you could tell it is a massive downgrade from the artist impression cause the real thing looks like shit.... the water is murky and dirty... since it ain't private they installed a cheap ugly non-electrical "windmill" as a way to keep the stagnated water flowing.... cause you know... it will be maintained by the municipal and they ain't going to use public funds to maintain a so called public park that is within private compound...

your waterfall .. rock climbing adventure land... is not likely to be privately maintain since you know.... this doesn't exist.... let alone mentioned in the SPA of the people who have bought their properties there...

so it is either you are imagining the whole shebang will be maintained by the municipal (yeah right... they are going to use public funds to maintain a high end high class park like how it is depicted on the artist impression photos... for a "public" park but in a private compound which mostly benefits the people who bought the residential property there)

OR

are you imagining Exsim will not just build that elaborate park for free as an after sale gift to their existing property buyer.... but also maintain it for the rest of its existence....

Common sense.... maybe you might want to use it some time :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
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TOTALLY AGREE 👍🏹🏹📈 NO COMMERCIAL ENTITY WILL BUILD SOMETHING IF IT DOES NOT MAKE BUSINESS SENSE

Imagine... After rushing out 6 phases of residentials, the existing marketing propositions are running stale and old.... but now EXSIM need to build commericial phases. In the past, they could leverage Empire City Mall, Sky Deck... Etc. The marketing department needs something snazzy new to attract the imagination of prospective buyers. The shareholders are running impatient. Sales rates are dropping. Competitors are coming up with new shiny things. I wonder what else can the marketing department pull out from the hat to spruce up the value proposition for the new commercial phases....? Free park maybe? How about "Kuala Lumpur's one and only rock face park?"!!!!!!!!!!

Since we are dealing with the "hypothetical" let you imagination run wild 😂😂😂😂 IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN KONONNYA.

One have to wonder why SUNWAY have to spend so much additional money to spruce up SUNWAY X PARK SOUTH QUAY, after the fact that SUNWAY PYRAMID and SUNWAY LAGOON and their original master plan?, major attractions and ongoing success is just a stone throw away from the new Sunway Waterfront residential and commercial phases ? Why spend more than necessary?

OMIGOSH, Why is SUNWAY being so silly?!!!😂😂😂 Don't they know "the developers are for profit organisation..... "😂😂😂

Why do they "build that shit as an after thought... ", 😂😂😂 it's totally crazy, right?!!!😂😂😂

Why could the SUNWAY executives not wonder " who will manage your so called South quay X adventure park and that South quay lake waterfall park...."😂😂😂 "imagining the whole shebang will be maintained by the municipal (yeah right... they are going to use public funds to maintain a high end high class park like South quay......" 😂😂😂

BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BUT SOMEHOW SOUTH QUAY PARK exists after the fact that is the master plan, after so many years, why?

WHY even build loss making SUNWAY BRT😂😂😂. SUNWAY MUST BE CRAZY.... THE WORLD MUST BE CRAZY....

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.... KONONNYA

Enjoy............ What fanciful extrapolation you have, Predator. What imaginative big claims (negative speculation) before the fact.

I have to wonder, how is your negative speculation any different from positive speculation? Isn't it speculation all the same?

It is never over until the fat lady sings.

I have opined the potential value of the rock face if properly activated. Whether EXSIM see potential to do so in the near future, or the far future,it is their business.

In my opinion, to future residents and prospectors of DCP, the rock face will not go away, its inherent potential will it go way. It only takes a spark of entrepreneurial brilliance and any investor will have ashot at business profits and commercial success.

That's the spirit behind how Genting made Genting Highland from a spot Pahang signed away cheaply to a Lim Goh Tong they deemed a fool. The same prospective optimism is also how Sunway too a piece of mining wasteland and made it Malaysia's and SEA's premier water ppark.

This rock face park.... Especially if it's that artist impression, the scope and scale is so small, it wouldn't cost more than spare change for EXSIM, compared to the sky deck, or Genting or Sunway Lagoon.

Buyers need only to focus on the tangibles when they make their purchasing decisions. This I agree.

But it doesn't mean they cannot be optimistic prospectively imagining better things for their investment.

Your overt indifference to outright hostile responses to anything positive about this project is very telling. Everyone only need to track and trace every one of your posts on this thread to see the pattern. I'll say it, something is amiss in your head with all your negativity towards this project.


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TOTALLY AGREE 👍🏹🏹📈 NO COMMERCIAL ENTITY WILL BUILD SOMETHING IF IT DOES NOT MAKE BUSINESS SENSE

Imagine... After rushing out 6 phases of residentials, the existing  marketing propositions are running stale and old.... but now EXSIM need to build commericial phases. In the past, they could leverage Empire City Mall, Sky Deck... Etc. The marketing department needs something snazzy new to attract the imagination of prospective buyers. The shareholders are running impatient. Sales rates are dropping. Competitors are coming up with new shiny things.  I wonder what else can the marketing department pull out from the hat to spruce up the value proposition for the new commercial phases....? Free park maybe? How about "Kuala Lumpur's one and only rock face park?"!!!!!!!!!!

Since we are dealing with the "hypothetical" let you imagination run wild 😂😂😂😂 IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN KONONNYA.

One have to wonder why SUNWAY have to spend so much additional money to spruce up SUNWAY X PARK SOUTH QUAY, after the fact that SUNWAY PYRAMID and SUNWAY LAGOON and their original master plan?, major attractions and ongoing success is just a stone throw away from the new Sunway Waterfront residential and commercial phases ? Why spend more than necessary?

OMIGOSH, Why is SUNWAY being  so silly?!!!😂😂😂 Don't they know "the developers are for profit organisation..... "😂😂😂 Why are they "build that shit as an after thought... ", 😂😂😂 it's totally crazy, right?!!!😂😂😂 Why could the SUNWAY executives not wonder " who will manage your so called South quay X adventure park and that South quay lake waterfall park...."😂😂😂 "imagining the whole shebang will be maintained by the municipal (yeah right... they are going to use public funds to maintain a high end high class park like South quay......" 😂😂😂BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BUT SOMEHOW SOUTH QUAY PARK exists after the fact that is the master plan, after so many years, why?

WHY even build loss making SUNWAY BRT😂😂😂. SUNWAY MUST BE CRAZY.... THE WORLD MUST BE CRAZY....

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.... KONONNYA

enjoy............ What fanciful extrapolation you have, Predator, what big claims (negative speculation) before the fact.

I have to wonder, how is your negative speculation any different from positive speculation? Isn't it speculation all the same?

It is never over until the fat lady sings.
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Just when I thought I've seen everything.... well... at the very least I had a good laugh reading your post...

Are you seriously comparing a business owned theme/amusement park ... to your imaginative public water fall adventure park?? that is just amazing ...

I mean... at the very least.. if you were to argue that some theme park owner bought that plot of land and is going to develop it into some sort of theme park... I could at least say that is a fair point (not that there are any credible source saying that Exsim has sold that portion of land to some theme park company) but at least it doesn't sound as insane as you thinking your imaginative public adventure water park would exist because somehow some theme park exist @ sunway....

so let me guess... your next imagination is Exsim is also a theme park owner ... and they are building your imaginative park because they are planning to start a subsidiary and venture into theme park operation....??

Since your imagination could lead you to such ridiculous assumption... why stop at artificial waterfall ... rock climbing... just throw in go-kart... sports complex... cabana... and also a roller coaster... heck... just imagine all these are FOC to the public... even better right??

Also... you are seriously going to bring in SUNWAY BRT as a point of argument to why your imaginative fancy public park would exist?? First of all... SUNWAY BRT is not some joy ride FOC to the public (it is farking expensive just to ride a few stop)... just so you know... and second...do you seriously think SUNWAY BRT is somehow an afterthought project that was built for no reason?? no seriously... try to think harder why SUNWAY actually constructed the BRT.... what is the purpose of it... how it benefit their business...

at this point... I'm not sure if you are being serious anymore

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Just when I thought I've seen everything....  well... at the very least I had a good laugh reading your post...

Are you seriously comparing a business owned theme/amusement park ... to your imaginative public water fall adventure park?? that is just amazing ...

I mean... at the very least.. if you were to argue that some theme park owner bought that plot of land and is going to develop it into some sort of theme park... I could at least say that is a fair point (not that there are any credible source saying that Exsim has sold that portion of land to some theme park company) but at least it doesn't sound as insane as you thinking your imaginative public adventure water park would exist because somehow some theme park exist @ sunway....

so let me guess... your next imagination is Exsim is also a theme park owner ... and they are building your imaginative park because they are planning to start a subsidiary and venture into theme park operation....??

Since your imagination could lead you to such ridiculous assumption... why stop at artificial waterfall ... rock climbing... just throw in go-kart... sports complex... cabana... and also a roller coaster...  heck... just imagine all these are FOC to the public... even better right??

Also... you are seriously going to bring in SUNWAY BRT as a point of argument to why your imaginative fancy public park would exist?? First of all... SUNWAY BRT is not some joy ride FOC to the public (it is farking expensive just to ride a few stop)... just so you know... and second...do you seriously think SUNWAY BRT is somehow an afterthought project that was built for no reason?? no seriously... try to think harder why SUNWAY actually constructed the BRT....  what is the purpose of it... how it benefit their business...

at this point... I'm not sure if you are being serious anymore
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It was suppose to make us laugh silly 😂😂😂 can't fathom why you miss it , it's suppose to be rhetorical satire, which I wrote in an attempt to allow you to see and to realise your own (pathological) logical fallacies and reasoning bottlenecks

Like I said,
I have to wonder, how is your negative speculation any different from positive speculation? Isn't it speculation all the same?

That's said, for the umpteenth time, I really gotta say, your inability with reading and comprehension is insufferable

Or perhaps, I guess it is done purposefully, avoiding arguments that you can't reply. It could be a case of cherry picking what seems to work for your argument or ego driven denial

First, you missed the first point (or warped it to suit your way) Sunway Lagoon, Sunway Pyramid, Sunway Education, Sunway Hospital etc. Was part of the original master plan

Second you missed Sunway South Quay Lake, Sunway Lake, X PARK which came later and addition to the their master plan. This point you conveniently skipped (purposeful slip of mind perhaps, becaus eit doesn't work for your argument). It is meant to show you that your negative presumptions that a developer would not add attractions or facilities or value propositions after the fact (original master plan). All of which involves tons of sunk additional cost (after the original master plan) to activate and only then can these new value propositions can be used as a marketing tool to market further expansion of their development (business sense)

Third, you wholly skipped the other example that is Genting

And fourth BRT is after the fact that was Sunway's original plan. Does it make business sense (if profit taking is involved), nope, it's a loss making endeavour. So what is the business sense for putting additional money into the BRT? I ENCOURAGE YOU REFLECT ON YOUR OWN QUESTION. THINK HARDER WHY SUNWAY BUILD THE BRT? EVEN IT IS LOSS MAKING. WHY WOULD A PROPERTY DEVELOPER INDULGE IN SUNK COSTS TO BUILD A LOSS MAKING FACILITY AND PROJECT? 😂😂😂

Fifth, Sunway Lagoon is a money making park, so why can't a feature at the rock face not be a money making park? I can't fathom your logic here. Even a couple of simple cheap structures can be rented out as cafes. What's more if someone makes a rock climbing park.

Sixth, you skipped the entrepeunerial example that's is Genting Highlands. When a natural feature or location has potential opportunity, it just takes an idea, investment, and perserverance to activate it. In contrast to Genting, anything at the rock face would be way cheaper..even if EXSIM doesn't want to build it, they can invite others to build it. imagine Legoland or art centre at Sentul Park or Universal Studios at Genting (now defunct, fallout and switched to another vendor).

Like I said, a few posts before. You have something amiss in your brain apparent from your overt negative speculations of this project. Or you really have a timid, extremely risk adverse mindset😂😂😂. Hence, I had opined the best property for you is a 5 year, fully built up, VPed property that preferably is the last component of any masterplan.🤔😆👍

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Just to add the BRT project funding and cooperation between the council and SUNWAY is more complex than it is mentioned above, but the underlying point I am trying to make remains valid.

(1) it is a loss making endeavour (2) it is an endeavour after the fact (after the original Sunway master plan). (3) Sunway funded the project in part (sunken cost) after the original master plan is complete - but we must also take into account new phases added to a new master plan, that expanded from the original master plan, (4) Sunway is also maintaining BRT out of pocket in part and (5) the BRT is built by Sunway because there is also other factors that makes business sense (a point I am making), other than just the simple notion that a facility has to be profitable or not cost-adverse before a property developer will ever consider funding it (and I point out that this logical fallacy that has been repeatedly made by Predator).

I reiterate, the POV and hypothesis has nothing to do with EXSIM WILL BUILD "A PARK" AT THE ROCK FACE. And prospective buyers should not use this as a yardstick to make your purchase decision for DCP

IT IS CLEAR that the point of contention between PREDATORS'S POV and mine is that (1) Predator assumes/speculates IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN VS. I see potential in the natural rock face that can be activated if EXSIM or a third party choose to do so

And (2) Predator is accusing me of making speculations. Which I have clearly said I am making speculations that the natural rock face has value. My counter point is Predators is also making speculations that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

This has shifted never so slightly from the last point of contention which Predator (incorrectly) accuse me of making speculations in order to "sell" the project or mak make-belief by fantasising. I had also pointed out that Predator is wrong to accuse others of speculating when his/her own point of view is also speculative (IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN).



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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Oct 15 2021, 11:36 AM)
It was suppose to make us laugh silly 😂😂😂 can't fathom why you miss it , it's suppose to be rhetorical satire, which I wrote in an attempt to allow you to see and to realise your own (pathological) logical fallacies and reasoning bottlenecks

Like I said,
I have to wonder, how is your negative speculation any different from positive speculation? Isn't it speculation all the same?

That's said, for the umpteenth time, I really gotta say, your inability with reading and comprehension is insufferable

Or perhaps, I guess it is done purposefully, avoiding arguments that you can't reply. It could be a case of cherry picking what seems to work for your argument or ego driven denial

First, you missed the first point (or warped it to suit your way) Sunway Lagoon, Sunway Pyramid, Sunway Education, Sunway Hospital etc. Was part of the original master plan

Second you missed Sunway South Quay Lake, Sunway Lake, X PARK which came later and addition to the their master plan. This point you conveniently skipped (purposeful slip of mind perhaps, becaus eit doesn't work for your argument). It is meant to show you that your negative presumptions that a developer would not add attractions or facilities or value propositions after the fact (original master plan). All of which involves tons of sunk additional cost (after the original master plan) to activate and only then can these new value propositions can be used as a marketing tool to market further expansion of their development (business sense)

Third, you wholly skipped the other example that is Genting

And fourth BRT is after the fact that was Sunway's original plan. Does it make business sense (if profit taking is involved), nope, it's a loss making endeavour. So what is the business sense for putting additional money into the BRT?  I ENCOURAGE YOU REFLECT ON YOUR OWN QUESTION. THINK HARDER WHY SUNWAY BUILD THE BRT? EVEN IT IS LOSS MAKING. WHY WOULD A PROPERTY DEVELOPER INDULGE IN SUNK COSTS TO BUILD A LOSS MAKING FACILITY AND PROJECT? 😂😂😂

Fifth, Sunway Lagoon is a money making park, so why can't a feature at the rock face not be a money making park? I can't fathom your logic here. Even a couple of simple cheap structures can be rented out as cafes. What's more if someone makes a rock climbing park.

Sixth, you skipped the entrepeunerial example that's is Genting Highlands. When a natural feature or location has potential opportunity, it just takes an idea, investment, and perserverance to activate it. In contrast to Genting, anything at the rock face would be way cheaper..even if EXSIM doesn't want to build it, they can invite others to build it. imagine Legoland or art centre at Sentul Park or Universal Studios at Genting (now defunct, fallout and switched to another vendor).

Like I said, a few posts before. You have something amiss in your brain apparent from your overt negative speculations of this project. Or you really have a timid, extremely risk adverse mindset😂😂😂. Hence, I had opined the best property for you is a 5 year, fully built up, VPed property that preferably is the last component of any masterplan.🤔😆👍
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I form reasonable assumptions based on the given evidence... not imaginative scenarios like you..

Your entire argument holds zero substance when you don't realise the difference between your public imaginative waterfall adventure park against a business ran X Park...

The funniest part of all is you still think the Sunway BRT can be used as a justification for a possible public imaginative waterfall adventure park....

I'm surprised that after you've mentioned the entire Sunway master plan... you haven't realise what is TOD and how the entire Sunway city planning is not the same as some imaginative public waterfall adventure park...

Again... I dunno how many times I need to say this... I only look at facts and evidence...

Yes... there is a possibility that Exsim can sell the land off to someone who will build a private for-profit park... but the entire premise of our argument here is that you have been arguing the artist impression photos are by the developer.... it is not until I mentioned that it may sound less ridiculous if Exsim sold off to an external party to construct your dream park in my last post... you are still insisting that the developer will be building your dream park "eventually"...

Based on the current evidence and facts... I would say... your dream park ain't happening... it might happen when there are new deals or plans made by the developer but at this point of time... it ain't happening...

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Just to add the BRT project funding and cooperation between the council and SUNWAY is more complex than it is mentioned above, but the underlying point Imam trying to make remains valid. (1) it is a loss making endeavour (2) it is an endeavour after the fact (after the original master plan. (3) Sunway funded the project in part (sunken cost), (4) Sunway is also maintaining BRT out of pocket in part and  (5) the BRT is built by Sunway because there is also other factors that makes business sense (a point I am making) other than just the simple notion that it has to be profitable or not cost adverse before a property developer will ever consider funding it (and I point out that this logical fallacy that has been repeatedly made by Predator)
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Again with the Sunway BRT...

TOD .. have you heard of TOD planning??

Sunway BRT may or may not be profitable to Sunway.... but the BRT is definitely not being built for no reason like your imaginative park...

Even if they cannot profit out of the BRT... the main purpose is inter-connectivity for Sunway City...

Still can't believe you think Sunway having a BRT system ... is the same as your imaginative public waterfall adventure park... doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 15 2021, 12:40 PM)
I form reasonable assumptions based on the given evidence... not imaginative scenarios like you..

Your entire argument holds zero substance when you don't realise the difference between your public imaginative waterfall adventure park against a business ran X Park...

The funniest part of all is you still think the Sunway BRT can be used as a justification for a possible public imaginative waterfall adventure park....

I'm surprised that after you've mentioned the entire Sunway master plan... you haven't realise what is TOD and how the entire Sunway city planning is not the same as some imaginative public waterfall adventure park...

Again... I dunno how many times I need to say this... I only look at facts and evidence...

Yes... there is a possibility that Exsim can sell the land off to someone who will build a private for-profit park... but the entire premise of our argument here is that you have been arguing the artist impression photos are by the developer.... it is not until I mentioned that it may sound less ridiculous if Exsim sold off to an external party to construct your dream park in my last post... you are still insisting that the developer will be building your dream park "eventually"...

Based on the current evidence and facts... I would say... your dream park ain't happening... it might happen when there are new deals or plans made by the developer but at this point of time... it ain't happening...
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You still fail to see the logical fallacy in your arguments

Your premise is that any sort of feature at the rock face will never happen

And the Sunway BRT, Sunway South Quay, X PARK is clear scenarios that indicate the simple fact. When it makes business sense, any one will invest to activate the potential

Be it on the scale of TOD, town planning, master plan or even a Taman. You are setting up a slippery slope fallacy by saying that the DCP SCENARIO is incomparable

Genting did not sell off land to get a vendor to build a park inside Genting property. Genting is also pairing new investment/joint ventures into new facilities/attractions/value propositions with expansion and growth to its existing development

UNDERATAND THIS. THERE IS NO FACTS AND EVIDENCE in your argument. It is mere speculation based on extrapolation

The very fact you selectively reference Metropark while selectively reject Sunway is clear to see that you are dwelling in logical fallacies and confirmation bias

The fact EXSIM go into a JV with Mammoth empire to "save" Empire City Mall and "eat" DCP is already counter to the premise you are making - that EXSIM will only out in money for things they can sell.

Now, I posit you the rhetorical question to expose your err -

- Why put in money into Empire City Mall when they can't sell it?
- Why put in money into the Sky Deck Garden when they are not selling it?
- And hence why can't they get into a scenario where they either build the small "artist impression" (a few structures as an attraction, marketing tool, rent out income) or build something even fancier with JVs or vendors?

THINK THROUGH THESE LOGICAL FALLACIES

THERE IS NO FACTS AND EVIDENCE IN YOUR ARGUMENTS. IT IS SPECULATION AGAINST THE IDEA BASED ON PREMISES AND EXTRAPOLATION - Which I have duly deconstructed, elaborated and explained that it is just as it is - speculation that is a negative pov

I didn't say it is wrong. I only say it is not the only scenario

Hence IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN is just a speculative assesement.

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Again with the Sunway BRT...

TOD .. have you heard of TOD planning??

Sunway BRT may or may not be profitable to Sunway.... but the BRT is definitely not being built for no reason like your imaginative park...

Even if they cannot profit out of the BRT... the main purpose is inter-connectivity for Sunway City...

Still can't believe you think Sunway having a BRT system ... is the same as your imaginative public waterfall adventure park...  doh.gif  doh.gif
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By the way, I have just run a quick check on the original BRT proposal documents and press releases on BRT.

BRT IS NOT A TOD nor has it been marketed as a TOD by Sunway at the time of its vision and construction

There is a few articles of proposals (3 years after construction) to Prasarana to reduce BRT fares by some developers (not Sunway) to try to make it some form of TOD, nothing after that

Don't make up imaginary facts
ARE YOU TRUMP WITH "ALT FACTS"¿ 😂😂😂

P.S. you are imagining things too - from the get go I have explored the idea that is the "artist impressions", as well as expanded on it to say it has potential to be made to an even more attractive proposition - like a rock climbing park by entrepeunerial individuals, EXSIM or partners - fact check my statements and go read all my post - DON'T TAKE CREDIT WHEN IT IS NOT DUE.

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You still fail to see the logical fallacy in your arguments

Your premise is that any sort of feature at the rock face will never happen

And the Sunway BRT, Sunway South Quay, X PARK is clear scenarios that indicate the simple fact. When it makes business sense, any one will invest to activate the potential

Be it on the scale of TOD, town planning, master plan or even a Taman. You are setting up a slippery slope fallacy by saying that the DCP SCENARIO is incomparable

Genting did not sell off land to get a vendor to build a park inside Genting property. Genting is also pairing new investment/joint ventures into new facilities/attractions/value propositions with expansion and growth to its existing development

UNDERATAND THIS. THERE IS NO FACTS AND EVIDENCE in your argument. It is mere speculation based on extrapolation

The very fact you selectively reference Metropark while selectively reject Sunway is clear to see that you are dwelling in logical fallacies and confirmation bias

The fact EXSIM go into a JV with Mammoth empire to "save" Empire City Mall and "eat" DCP is already counter to the premise you are making - that EXSIM will only out in money for things they can sell.

Now, I posit you the rhetorical question to expose your err -

- Why put in money into Empire City Mall when they can't sell it?
- Why put in money into the Sky Deck Garden when they are not selling it?
- And hence why can't they get into a scenario where they either build the small "artist impression" (a few structures as an attraction, marketing tool, rent out income) or build something even fancier with JVs or vendors?

THINK THROUGH THESE LOGICAL FALLACIES

THERE IS NO FACTS AND EVIDENCE IN YOUR ARGUMENTS. IT IS SPECULATION AGAINST THE IDEA BASED ON PREMISES AND EXTRAPOLATION - Which I have duly deconstructed, elaborated and explained that it is just as it is - speculation that is a negative pov

I didn't say it is wrong. I only say it is not the only scenario

Hence IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN is just a speculative assesement.
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You are going way off .... again... how does sunway city planning got to do with your imaginary public waterfall adventure park??

So now you want to argue that Exsim put money on Empire City Mall not because they believe they can make a profit from it.... damn.. you really do think Exsim is some kind of charitable organisation do you??

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By the way, I have just run a quick check on the original BRT proposal documents and press releases on BRT.

BRT IS NOT A TOD nor has it been marketed as a TOD by Sunway at the time of its vision and construction

There is a few articles of proposals (3 years after construction) to Prasarana to reduce BRT fares by some developers (not Sunway) to try to make it some form of TOD, nothing after that

  Don't make up imaginary facts
ARE YOU TRUMP WITH "ALT FACTS"¿ 😂😂😂

P.S. you are imagining things too - from the get go I have explored the idea that is the "artist impressions", as well as expanded on it to say it has potential to be made to an even more attractive proposition - like a rock climbing park by entrepeunerial individuals, EXSIM or partners - fact check my statements and go read all my post - DON'T TAKE CREDIT WHEN IT IS NOT DUE.
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When you bring BRT in as an example to why your public waterfall adventure park is possible... I already know we will go no where with this argument..

I like how you go from arguing the possibility that your imaginative park will be built by the developer... and we have been arguing for pages and pages about this ... to suddenly possible third party or partners running the park right after I've pointed it out... at least you admit the flaws of your argument.... I guess the common sense kicks in yea>?? when you know that it is too silly to think the developer or municipal is going to maintain such elaborate park...


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I think its better not to have sky high expectations on exsimms delivery of the project. Just a set up for disappointment.
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 15 2021, 01:38 PM)
You are going way off .... again... how does sunway city planning got to do with your imaginary public waterfall adventure park??

So now you want to argue that Exsim put money on Empire City Mall not because they believe they can make a profit from it.... damn.. you really do think Exsim is some kind of charitable organisation do you??
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Again, please be more fastidious, read my last comment carefully -- it has to do with the premise you used to justify your WILL NOT HAPPEN. It's pretty much elaborated there
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When you bring BRT in as an example to why your public waterfall adventure park is possible... I already know we will go no where with this argument..

I like how you go from arguing the possibility that your imaginative park will be built by the developer... and we have been arguing for pages and pages about this ... to suddenly possible third party or partners running the park right after I've pointed it out... at least you admit the flaws of your argument.... I guess the common sense kicks in yea>?? when you know that it is too silly to think the developer or municipal is going to maintain such elaborate park...
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Again, selective interpretation and deflecting ... what's even more worse is you peddle the falsehood that BRT is a TOD. It is not. Own up to that. You can't have alternative facts when it does not suit your worldview.

Like I said I had already elaborated what the BRT example is aimed at. Its only four post up. Any body can see that.

Dismissing valid points by shouting "its going no where.." is in actual fact another logical fallacy, its called false dichotomy. Worse, it escapism

You can be convincing if you stuck to addressing the points I made, Mr FACTS AND EVIDENCE biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif . Saying "its going no where........" is empty and stinks of escapism

Escaping is not going make your point any better. Its cognitive dissonance.

Also your premise and speculation IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN is based on what in research we call McNamara's fallacy
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I think its better not to have sky high expectations on exsimms delivery of the project. Just a set up for disappointment.
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This I can agree. It applies to all developers and developments. And businesses in general. It is all about up-marketing and bottom line

But that is besides the point. There's a reason property investors are called pundits. We assess based on existing value propositions and future opportunities.

Anyway, your statement = sky high expectations on exsimms delivery of the project. I hope this is a personal opinion, and not the I AM FACTS AND EVIDENCE sort of pronouncement that Predator makes.

Its a valid opinion. But if we have to be objective to the level of "FACTS AND EVIDENCE" (standard demanded by Predator), to put it simply, in research we sometimes see such generalisations as Simpson's paradox and false dichotomy

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Again, selective interpretation and deflecting ... what's even more  worse is you peddle the falsehood that BRT is a TOD. It is not. Own up to that. You can't have alternative facts when it does not suit your worldview.

Like I said I had already elaborated what the BRT example is aimed at. Its only four post up. Any body can see that.

Dismissing valid points by shouting "its going no where.."  is in actual fact another logical fallacy, its called false dichotomy. Worse, it escapism

You can be convincing if you stuck to addressing the points I made, Mr FACTS AND EVIDENCE  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif . Saying "its going no where........" is empty and stinks of escapism

Escaping is not going make your point any better. Its cognitive dissonance.

Also your premise and speculation IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN is based on what in research we call McNamara's fallacy
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As mentioned before... the current reliable information that we have does not indicate any solid plan or intention for that remaining piece of land...

Just being real honest here that your waterfall mountain climbing adventure park isn't going to happen based on what information we have about the developer's plan for that location...

So far... to sum up what had happened

1) The artist impression is not from official source or can be used as an indicative proposal plan...

2) You've not given any precedent examples that a developer would somehow use their own private land to build a non-profitable item as an afterthought gift (not as a attraction/marketing item to sell the other projects in that area) to the people who have purchased the properties in the area..

3) Your desperate attempt to bring in "sunway" master plan... the X Play theme park and sunway BRT ... to justify that developers don't always consider profit when they develop something is downright laughable...

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What a confusing and irrelevant conversation. Why dont u 2 use pm to sort it out.
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This I can agree. It applies to all developers and developments. And businesses in general. It is all about up-marketing and bottom line

But that is besides the point. There's a reason property investors are called pundits. We assess based on existing value propositions and future opportunities.

Anyway, your statement = sky high expectations on exsimms delivery of the project. I hope this is a personal opinion, and not the I AM FACTS AND EVIDENCE sort of pronouncement that Predator makes.

Its a valid opinion. But if we have to be objective to the level of "FACTS AND EVIDENCE" (standard demanded by Predator), to put it simply, in research we sometimes see such generalisations as Simpson's paradox and false dichotomy
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You are pushing way too hard on your opinion to be an opinion... you are literally preaching your ideas here as if you are one of the sales agent here...

Having an opinion is one thing.... if the developer had already mentioned in their master plan then it makes sense to speculate... for example... tropicana metropark.... it make sense for the buyers to speculate who are the possible tenants of the mall cause the developer already said a mall will be part of the master plan.... EVENTHOUGH the current reality shows that even a proposed plan can be scrapped.... making whatever speculation seems irrelevant now... BUT at the very least... it was a valid discussion based on the information the buyers had back then...

Yours on the other hand... literally speculate something out of some artist impression photos that weren't even official or credible...

not just that... you start to fantasize about that area having artificial waterfall and all those adventure park thingy...


You said you are not a buyer when I asked... and you insist you are not a sales agent when someone think you are one based on your massive interest/"hard sell" like posts (to put it in a tactful manner)..

then I wonder why are you so hellbent on proving your fictional view here... hmm.gif hmm.gif

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What a confusing and irrelevant conversation. Why dont u 2 use pm to sort it out.
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Makes a more interesting read here. PM is no fun

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 15 2021, 04:49 PM)
You are pushing way too hard on your opinion to be an opinion... you are literally preaching your ideas here as if you are one of the sales agent here...

Having an opinion is one thing.... if the developer had already mentioned in their master plan then it makes sense to speculate... for example... tropicana metropark.... it make sense for the buyers to speculate who are the possible tenants of the mall cause the developer already said a mall will be part of the master plan.... EVENTHOUGH the current reality shows that even a proposed plan can be scrapped.... making whatever speculation seems irrelevant now... BUT at the very least... it was a valid discussion based on the information the buyers had back then...

Yours on the other hand... literally speculate something out of some artist impression photos that weren't even official or credible...

not just that... you start to fantasize about that area having artificial waterfall and all those adventure park thingy...
You said you are not a buyer when I asked... and you insist you are not a sales agent when someone think you are one based on your massive interest/"hard sell" like posts (to put it in a tactful manner)..

then I wonder why are you so hellbent on proving your fictional view here...  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Because you are bent at peddling your own version. Doing the forum a service by pointing out the err in your attacks and overbearing proclamations on anything that does not suit your negative agenda

Like I have clearly put it. If anyone follows each and every post you make on this thread, we can see a pattern, you are indifferent to outright hostile to anything positive about this project, but are quick to point out and glee at anything negative

I can understand the motivation to deter fanciful up-marketing by agents, but to syte on and belittle others that share a positive view is what warrants a public whack- a-mole

What I found is even more wanting. For a person who proclaims that you're mall about EVIDENCE and FACTS, you totally missed the sky deck and also all the other road connectivity being built. You also did not do a site recce.... Add this all up

I believe audiences and new visitors need to be brought to their attention of your pessimistic bias (to active discouragement of this project that's based on a motley of truths, half-truths, active sabotage and poor understanding of the project) - all these should be brought not the attention of unsuspecting audiences

It's so bad it's like you're the anti-salemen (a pun based on the moniker anti-Christ)

You are not FACT AND EVIDENCE based as you so proclaim

You don't need to keep repeating Metropark like a broken record. I've have already posited my POV that runs counter to this POV and showed plenty of valid points in more than one reply post, that your POV is one scenario but not the only scenario

And stop using the I'M ALL FACTS AND EVIDENCE, moniker-bullshit. I've shown in more than 20 exchanges between you and me, that you are far from deserving to this self proclamation

I have been upfront about my statements and opinions. I am an investor and investor are pundits. When you invest, you look at existing value proposition, risks, and also future opportunities and future risks.

On this thread, I share both favourable and unfavourable facts and opinions on this project. Unlike you, I am objective in presenting information, facts and speculations alike.

I invite all audience to subject every one of my post to this examination. And then do the same for Predators's posts. That is enough to reveal your hypocrisy and your negative even to the degree of hostile bias to this project.

I too see plenty of downsides Vs upsides for this project. Which is why I did invest as it does not fit my investment criteria and risk profile.

But at the same time,I also see that this project is flawed but well suited for prospective buyers of other risk profiles, temperament or needs

Similarly, agents do up marketing because it is their role to sell. Point out their up-marketing all you wish. I'm pretty agreeable to that, esp if these agents peddle falsehoods

But what is your role? Master naysayer? I too am agreeable with that, because there needs to be a devil's advocate

But to make bold proclamations of EVIDENCE AND FACTS but not practice what you preach, you come across to me as just as bad as overpromising salesmen. You actively throws whatever mud you can find to detract the project, to what purpose or agenda I suppose? (This is my opinion, but I invite all audiences to look at every one of Predators's posts, and formulate your own opinion on Predator).

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post Oct 15 2021, 06:06 PM

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i cant imagine anyone who is willing to read ur diarrhea.
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post Oct 15 2021, 06:07 PM

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maybe try making it more entertaining and relevant. ur not doing it right.
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post Oct 15 2021, 06:15 PM

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the first thing u need to do. is to make sure u are actually right.

the second thing u need to make sure, is that the person u are arguing is wrong.


as the argument progresses, make ur point clear and ppl are going to start realizing that.

1) I am right
2) the person arguing with me is wrong
3) once this position is clear, start insulting the idiot who is arguing with u


Like so,

ur wall of text is like the sound of an empty tin can banging.

It is the tale of an idiot, told with sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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post Oct 15 2021, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(flight @ Oct 15 2021, 06:06 PM)
i cant imagine anyone who is willing to read ur diarrhea.
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You are only but one of two hell bent to derailing the optimism for this project. I guess it's natural for you to have this opinion. But future audiences get the benefit of seeing through your veil or hate of this project
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post Oct 15 2021, 06:19 PM

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i have a positive impression of the project btw.

If it doesnt get abandoned, as it is very ambitious. There is an oversupply problem.

However, empire city taking off and all the facilities nearby, i suspect this will become a successful masterplan over time. Somewhere in between there will be some oversupply.

Its just that u r annoying.
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post Oct 15 2021, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(flight @ Oct 15 2021, 06:15 PM)
the first thing u need to do. is to make sure u are actually right.

the second thing u need to make sure, is that the person u are arguing is wrong.
as the argument progresses, make ur point clear and ppl are going to start realizing that.

1) I am right
2) the person arguing with me is wrong
3) once this position is clear, start insulting the idiot who is arguing with u
Like so,

ur wall of text is like the sound of an empty tin can banging.

It is the tale of an idiot, told with sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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You still don't get the point

Again what you mentioned above is what we call in research and risk assessment false dichotomy. It's a logical fallacy. And you're guilty of it
Please be more fastidious and evaluate the points and address them if you have an opinion

To wave it all off with a lazy opinion, that is also a false dichotomy, is telling of your level.

To make it simple for you. It's an exchange of POVs. And the outcome is that I reveal the logical fallacy that there's only my way or the highway (false or true - this is false dichotomy)

Understand that ☝️

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post Oct 15 2021, 06:22 PM

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u r clearly an idiot
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post Oct 15 2021, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(flight @ Oct 15 2021, 06:19 PM)
i have a positive impression of the project btw.

If it doesnt get abandoned, as it is very ambitious. There is an oversupply problem.

However, empire city taking off and all the facilities nearby, i suspect this will become a successful masterplan over time. Somewhere in between there will be some oversupply.

Its just that u r annoying.
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I totally agree with the oversupply. This is the primary reason I won't invest. Doesn't make sense. But this alone does not make it a project that everyone should avoid like a virus
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QUOTE(flight @ Oct 15 2021, 06:22 PM)
u r clearly an idiot
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So says the person that can only come up with infantile one liners with zero elaboration

The more you open your mouth the more you embarrass yourself. Try harder please. You're an adult, not a three year old
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post Oct 15 2021, 06:29 PM

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u use so many bombastic words. It looks like u r trying too hard
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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Oct 15 2021, 06:03 PM)
Because you are bent at peddling your own version. Doing the forum a service by pointing out the err in your attacks and overbearing proclamations on anything that does not suit your negative agenda

Like I have clearly put it. If anyone follows each and every post you make on this thread, we can see a pattern, you are indifferent to outright hostile to anything positive about this project, but are quick to point out and glee at anything negative

I can understand the motivation to deter fanciful up-marketing by agents, but to syte on and belittle others that share a positive view is what warrants a public whack- a-mole

What I found is even more wanting. For a person who proclaims that you're mall about EVIDENCE and FACTS, you totally missed the sky deck and also all the other road connectivity being built. You also  did not do a site recce.... Add this all up

I believe audiences and new visitors need to be brought to their attention of your pessimistic bias (to active discouragement of this project that's based on a motley of truths, half-truths, active sabotage and poor understanding of the project)  - all these should be brought not the attention of unsuspecting audiences

It's so bad it's like you're the anti-salemen (a pun based on the moniker anti-Christ)

You are not FACT AND EVIDENCE based as you so proclaim

You don't need to keep repeating Metropark like a broken record. I've have already posited my POV that runs counter to this POV and showed plenty of valid points in more than one reply post, that your POV is one scenario but not the only scenario

And stop using the I'M ALL FACTS AND EVIDENCE, moniker-bullshit. I've shown in more than 20 exchanges between you and me, that you are far from deserving to this self proclamation

I have been upfront about my statements and opinions. I am an investor and investor are pundits. When you invest, you look at existing value proposition, risks, and also future opportunities and future risks.

On this thread, I share both favourable and unfavourable facts and opinions on this project. Unlike you, I am objective in presenting information, facts and speculations alike.

I invite all audience to subject every one of my post to this examination. And then do the same for Predators's posts. That is enough to reveal your hypocrisy and your negative even to the degree of hostile bias to this project.

I too see plenty of downsides Vs upsides for this project. Which is why I did invest as it does not fit my investment criteria and risk profile.

But at the same time,I also see that this project is flawed but well suited for prospective buyers of other risk profiles, temperament or needs

Similarly, agents do up marketing because it is their role to sell. Point out their up-marketing all you wish. I'm pretty agreeable to that, esp if these agents peddle falsehoods

But what is your role? Master naysayer? I too am agreeable with that, because there needs to be a devil's advocate

But to make bold proclamations of EVIDENCE AND FACTS but not practice what you preach, you come across to me as just as bad as overpromising salesmen. You actively throws whatever mud you can find to detract the project, to what purpose or agenda I suppose? (This is my opinion, but I invite all audiences to look at every one of Predators's posts, and formulate your own opinion on Predator).
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How am I indifferent or outright hostile to anything positive about the project??? Just because I don't support your imagination I am suddenly negative about the project??

I have always been a staunch supporter of facts and evidence... I'm also OK with speculation so long that it is within reasonable means...

But to support something that is not even remotely credible... sorry but i cannot do that... I won't promote false information here...

Even for the negative points I've raised... it will always be supported by reliable sources...

For instance... I've quoted MBPJ plan as evidence that there are plans to develop low cost residential as a possibility that the area will become severely dense...

Discussion should always be based on reliable sources such as the municipal published documents , the developers newsfeed and reputable news article... not freaking gut feelings or imagination...
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post Oct 15 2021, 06:41 PM

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Just in case you think I am bias against this property...

My earlier posts... early this year...

I've also mentioned about the positives of this project...

for example... I've talked about the revival of the sizable empire city mall... which is good for the residence

I've also talked about the affordable price.... @just around 700k I think you could get >1k sqf 3-4 bedroom units... there are not many new projects located in PJ area that you could purchase @ such a price these days..

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QUOTE(flight @ Oct 15 2021, 06:29 PM)
u use so many bombastic words. It looks like u r trying too hard
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Very Trumpian reply. When faced with insurmountable challenges, mock, insult and deflect

Nah, I disagree. Of course you're entitled to your opinions, however infantile it is. If you ask me, I come to think it's just my fluency and better command of the language.

其实如果你觉得我用英文你太难消化, 不如我们转用华文好吗? 是否这比较适合你? 沟通是需要了解才行。 我来帮帮你吧?

Akan tetapi, jika bahasa inggeris atau bahasa cina tidak sesuai untuk membantu kefahaman anda, kita juga boleh guna Bahasa Malaysia. Kamu hanya perlu beritahu saya bahasa yang lebih sesuai bagi anda

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 15 2021, 06:32 PM)
How am I indifferent or outright hostile to anything positive about the project??? Just because I don't support your imagination I am suddenly negative about the project??

I have always been a staunch supporter of facts and evidence... I'm also OK with speculation so long that it is within reasonable means...

But to support something that is not even remotely credible... sorry but i cannot do that... I won't promote false information here...

Even for the negative points I've raised... it will always be supported by reliable sources...

For instance... I've quoted MBPJ plan as evidence that there are plans to develop low cost residential as a possibility that the area will become severely dense...

Discussion should always be based on reliable sources such as the municipal published documents , the developers newsfeed and reputable news article... not freaking gut feelings or imagination...
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I've elaborated on this in more than once in our multiple exchanges and the post you're replying to. Need I say more?

All the above points you're making - I'll sum up to one conclusion for you McNamara fallacy

It doesn't convince me (that you're a staunch supporter of facts and evidence), because of the simple fact that you make big claims without even doing a site recce. Own up to this.

No one is asking for your support. Nor did I claim that EXSIM will build something at the rock face. Get your head around this simple thought bottleneck

I was and have been merely pointing out the fact you're indulging in speculation when you accuse others of speculation
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 15 2021, 06:41 PM)
when2meets2boy

Just in case you think I am bias against this property...

My earlier posts... early this year...

I've also mentioned about the positives of this project...

for example... I've talked about the revival of the sizable empire city mall... which is good for the residence

I've also talked about the affordable price.... @just around 700k I think you could get >1k sqf 3-4 bedroom units... there are not many new projects located in PJ area that you could purchase @ such a price these days..
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Do we actually need to list down the totality of your posts here. I invite you to set up a poll on this thread and ask the audiences here if they think you have a negative bias or not

Lest you accuse me of not being impartial, you should run this experiment. Discover the facts though the poll. Use evidence to settle the question .example (Ask thread members, do you think I come across as negatively biased against this project?)
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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Oct 15 2021, 06:42 PM)
Very Trumpian reply. When faced with insurmountable challenges, mock, insult and deflect

Nah, I disagree. Of course you're entitled to your opinions, however infantile it is. If you ask me, I come to think it's just my fluency and better command of the language.

其实如果你觉得我用英文你太难消化, 不如我们转用华文好吗? 是否这比较适合你? 沟通是需要了解才行。 我来帮帮你吧?

Akan tetapi, jika bahasa inggeris atau bahasa cina tidak sesuai untuk membantu kefahaman anda, kita juga boleh guna Bahasa Malaysia. Kamu hanya perlu beritahu saya bahasa yang mana yang anda lebih sesuai bagi anda
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I don't think you have a better command of the language when you can't fulfill the main objective of being fluent in a language... which is to communicate effectively...

Some of the phrases/expressions that you've used doesn't make sense...

and of course... everyone who reads your posts can tell that you are trying real hard to show off your vocabulary skills....

it is fine if you understand what the words mean and knows how to use it in a proper context but the problem is... some of the words you have used just don't fit into the statements that you are conveying..

for example... "very trumpian reply"... what does property talk or what we are discussing here got to do with supporting donald trump and his political views??

also... making up your own words certainly doesn't help... "mantra-ing"??? mantra is a noun... don't turn it into a verb and expect people to know what your made-up word means..

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post Oct 15 2021, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 15 2021, 07:00 PM)
I don't think you have a better command of the language when you can't fulfill the main objective of being fluent in a language... which is to communicate effectively...

Some of the phrases/expressions that you've used doesn't make sense...

and of course... everyone who reads your posts can tell that you are trying real hard to show off your vocabulary skills....

it is fine if you understand what the words mean and knows how to use it in a proper context but the problem is... some of the words you have used just don't fit into the statements that you are conveying..

for example... "very trumpian reply"... what does property talk or what we are discussing here got to do with supporting donald trump and his political views??

also... making up your own words certainly doesn't help... "mantra-ing"??? mantra is a noun... don't turn it into a verb and expect people to know what your made-up word means..
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You're entitled to your opinion..and there was no made up words, it's call coining terms, it's a form of figurative speech

That's why there is dash in between mantra and IMG.. you must have been living under a coconut if you haven't seen such coining of terms before. If you can understand what's a mantra and you already understand the context of that sentence.. I've already succeeded in the communication

I'll do one better for you, if you can't stand quirks in modern English, then just replace mantra-ing with "argument by repetition"

As for Trumpian.... It really shows you have no knowledge of recent popular events. Just Google it 😂😂😂😂😂 do the homework, find out what Trumpian is meant to imply. Hint* it's used as an adjective in the context of my sentence

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https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...323m-debt-notes

EXSIM have to give a big thank you to D’Quince Residences and D’Vervain Residences buyers. Sales must be really good. They manage to "monetize" the sales performance of these two to convince UOB to supply them more funds (loans)

Buyers should ask for some "rewards" in return


On a more serious note, this piece of information highlights some of the underlying motivations that can be running EXSIMs decision moving forward. If the next trache of loans also have similar terms.

It partially explains the price point and positioning of DVervain and DQuince

If I recall correctly the UOB loan is for DCP and EXSIM'S commitments for Empire City..so we know there is cash for the time being

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U r incoherent. What is the point u r trying to make.

DCP is a good and fantastic project?

Let me just point out one small detail most ppl probably dont realize. DCP has launched 6 or 7 projects in 3 years. All of them r moving at the same time.

In the last 6 to 12 months. Steel prices have quadrupled.

I hope exsim priced their products appropriately. Otherwise this will be empire city 2. Funny as it was the original name.
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If u think ur wall of diarrhea is insurmountable, u r very wrong.

Its gross, but its just annoying
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Anyone with a certain amount of fluency can see u r talking rubbish

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QUOTE(flight @ Oct 15 2021, 08:21 PM)
U r incoherent. What is the point u r trying to make.

DCP is a good and fantastic project?

Let me just point out one small detail most ppl probably dont realize. DCP has launched 6 or 7 projects in 3 years. All of them r moving at the same time.

In the last 6 to 12 months. Steel prices have quadrupled.

I hope exsim priced their products appropriately. Otherwise this will be empire city 2. Funny as it was the original name.
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Your lack of attention to detail is really a shame. Fact is, not even once do I ever mention DCP is all good or fantastic. You need to be more fastidious with facts when making up oft statements about others, you can't just because you feel like it. If you intend to make statement, at least back up your statements with reality.

If you ask for my opinion on their launch speed launch pattern☝️Look at the sukuk/UOB terms and conditions, it's easy to see where the price point, rush to build, rush to sell is coming from. They need the cash flow, they got their cash flow. Which is probably a lesson they learned from Mammoth. But I would opine that EXSIM wouldn't have enough motivatuons to rush the launch of commercial phases, given the current economic climate, the oversupply in the vicinity, and the ROI is not as immediate as an affordably priced residential unit.

They are property developer first, so it make sense that cash flow, build, launch, sell, monetize their sales prowess, borrow, build, launch, sell, repeat

As for - steel prices are definitely going to have a knock on effect, but then again it affects all developers across the board. How much risk exposure would this translate to to EXSIM, we don't know what we don't know. Hard to gauge when Winds an whispers of the steel price rise has been blowing since late 2020, it would be rather stupid if the developers don't hedge for this, especially for developers like EXSIM that have had their current expansion plans hatched years ago. We will just have to monitor the news if any developers get into trouble .

Another market to watch is a developer's cash flow.
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QUOTE(flight @ Oct 15 2021, 08:24 PM)
If u think ur wall of diarrhea is insurmountable, u r very wrong.

Its gross, but its just annoying
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Haha, I would I reckon the potency of my reasoning and elaboration is insurmountable by the likes of you.

Otherwise why would you find it annoying? I posit it's because there is little to ni way you can respond to my writings. Hence, you went the Trump route. Lazy but understandable. I feel you.
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QUOTE(flight @ Oct 15 2021, 08:28 PM)
Anyone with a certain amount of fluency can see u r talking rubbish
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So say the person who have zero elaboration while making bold proclamations about others

Remember the days when Najib and UMNO proclaims " The Silent Majority agree with us". ... Yeah that's how your statement feels like

It not only mirror Najib and UMNO, it is also classic Trump.
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Delusions of grandeur. Stop relating completely unrelated events.


This project is far from being the number 1 project around. The way u r arguing it is as if it can do no wrong.

I didnt spend anytime reading ur posts btw, its complete gibberish. I suspect most ppl wouldnt.
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How is the empire mall doing there? Being one of the selling point, hope it could be revived well
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QUOTE(flight @ Oct 16 2021, 07:25 PM)
Delusions of grandeur. Stop relating completely unrelated events.
This project is far from being the number 1 project around.
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The way u r arguing it is as if it can do no wrong.


I didnt spend anytime reading ur posts btw, its complete gibberish. I suspect most ppl wouldnt.
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Hahahaha. You're really a comedy. Why a comedy? I find you've just shot your own foot. It's funny and embarrassing. I'll elaborate.

We now have a fair idea why you find my posts and reasonings insurmountable. You admit you don't spend time reading any of my posts, then it's perfectly normal for you not to get it. Because you've never read it. It not even that my reasonings are insurmountable, it's unfathomable that you would understand my posts - you've never read it

Oh boy, this is at another level. At least Predator was reading but just aren't fastidious enough. I was right when I opined that, when faced with persons of your level (calibre), there's only so much we can expect

So much for your opinions about me... Big words used in accusation, I.e. delusions, grandeur, I can do no wrong, gibberish.... It's all empty words, ....

Read and understand false dichotomy. Because you're full of it. The world is not black or white. A project is not only good or bad. It's about weighing upsides and downsides and then matching it to your needs, wants and risk calculations

Positive opinions doesn't in any mean it's a "number one project". That's a false dichotomy you continue to peddle in your mind. And certainly I have not ever make any claim that I can do no wrong. It's all in your mind.

This statement of yours,
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The way u r arguing it is as if it can do no wrong.
, is aptly directed at Predator instead IMHO. She/he has shown this multiple times throughout this forum and throughout my exchanges with her/him.

You can continue embarrassing yourself if you wish. But if you don't have anything substantive to add. You're wasting all our time. My advice, learn to back up your strong claims or accusations with equally potent elaboration, or else people will soon learn to not take you seriously, regardless if you have made one or more points in the past that are valid. I'll say it, I've found some of your points and opinions valid.

You've made valid points in the past. But at this juncture, seeing so much infantile outburst from you. I've found you wanting, to say the very least. And insufferable.

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QUOTE(hentori19 @ Oct 16 2021, 10:01 PM)
How is the empire mall doing there? Being one of the selling point, hope it could be revived well
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I'll start my views with, we don't know what we don't know, but we can extrapolate from what we see and what we hear

Last we read before the pandemic, the mall was already in dire straits. Losing tenants, incomplete construction, even the main attraction - the ice rink was reported to be in terrible state

I would expect the pandemic to "kill off" much of what tenant left

But on the flip side, we know that Empire City Mall "is too big to fail" for EXSIM. It's also tied to the EXSIM JV, so they would have to deliver. It also helps that DCP value proposition is tied to ECM as the value proposition (selling point). So it's mission #1 for EXSIM to revive it

What we do know. DASH is still ongoing. Sky deck/Sky garden connecting ECM to DCP is being constructed. There is also a cash infusion for ECM with "rubber glove windfall money" being added to the revive ECM JV (Refer to page 20-21 of this thread, the news article is there).

We also know EXSIM successfully gotten its second tranche of loans from UOB/sukuk providers by "monetizing" their sales success for phase 1,2,3 of DCP. (Refer to news article in page 22-23)

So,in my opinion. ECM is dead now.
But there are current positive indicators that it will be revived. Just keep monitoring.

I mean what else in Empire City can be salvaged to revive the veneer - the lowest hanging fruit is ECM. So it will likely be the first component of Empire City to be revived.

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A few posts up @flight brought up the issue if "expensive steel", which is a significant headwind since late 2020. And I added an opinion that what we need to watch as an indicator (if EXSIM can weather the storm) will be to watch it's cashflow.

I feel I need to elaborate. So it warrant a quick discussion and overview of the "expensive steel" situation, the undercurrents and the future predictions

This article give a concise and easily readable piece for us to explore the topic.

EdgeProp.my: Would the rising cost of construction materials lead to house price hike?.
https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1857228/wou...ouse-price-hike

A few salient points mentioned in the article IMO.
1. the rise in steel price is a direct consequence of the pandemic way back in 2020.
2. however the key reasons for this is logistics, shutdown of steel mills during lockdowns, low demand due to stop in construction/industry during the pandemic (steel mills have to reduce supply to adjust), and then the spike in demand due to economic reopening in China.
3. Hence the article posits that with normalizing economies, supply, demand post 2021, steel price should normalize
4. The coal crunch in China recently should also throw another spanner into 2021 Q4 steel supply, since China is rationing coal, impacting steel mills.
5. Another upside is Malaysia has its own steel mills, and iron ore supply has no issues. In fact, recently, there is a drive by the steel production "guild" of Malaysia to secure tariffs to foreign steel. Which means the guild meants to fulfill the local demand and the government wants to encourage this so that Malaysia can be self sufficient. It's complex,. but price and supply is expected to normalize. The tariffs mentioned here are abour renewal of existing lapsing tariff, so there's nothing new here to "screw" steel price.

Finally, that out if the way. Now why I think watching EXSIM's cash flow is a good indicator of the health of DCP

First clue, the recent relevation that EXSIM's model for financing and securing the loans is based on how well they sell the project. Hence, I would posit that despite the steel price pressures that is predicted to raise property prices, EXSIM would have to keep their launches at an attractive price point to continue to monetize sales records to get more loans

Second clue. Most of the DCP ongoing phases and also the plan to revive ECM, build Mossas, and contruct "niceties" such as skydeck/sky garden/road connectivity - ALL are hatched before 2020-2021. If we follow standard QS and construction best practices, steel price would have been priced in and supply hedged to allow construction to continue unabated. In short, the industry don't buy steel on Monday to construct on Friday. So, I reckon current DCP phases should be cushioned. But we don't know what we don't know unless we have a spy inside EXSIM

Which leads me to third point. Cash flow. Regardless of whether EXSIM planned for the expensive steel or not, in the worse case scenario, to make sure it's business as usual, you will have to buy steel, even if it's priced more. This is when cashflow is key. Watch EXSIM's cashflow

Cashflow is how MAMMOTH Empire got killed, dooming Empire City and Empire Residence. EXSIM's financing strategic plans seems to indicate they don't want to repeat MAMMOTH EMPIRE'S mistake

And in extension, watch how EXSIM's creditors view the health of EXSIM. I.e. if UOB suddenly talks bad of EXSIM, or it fails to secure the third tranche, then red flags!!!!

Then there can also be a scenario that EXSIM cut corners. Of course other commentators have pointed this out. You pay peanuts you get monkeys. So don't have overexpectations. Keep your expectations to what is promised in your S&P and official marketing material (Like what Predator says)

I would think EXSIM will not be stupid to deliver below expectations (below what's promised in S&P)

Main reason. DCP is not only phase 1,2,3,4 it's more. Tearing up its reputation would repeat Mammoth's mistake. What's the point of taking up all the risks to invest into a JV to fix Empire City and make money with DCP if EXSIM repeats Mammoth Empire's Archilles heel.? Nothing to gain cutting corners. They will likely built to spec (S&P, also like others have said, D series spec)

Oversupply of residential is the key headwind faced by EXSIM, so it's is likely they will keep churning out Residential phases before "FOMO investors" wise up.

Shouldn't becomr a problem for buy to stay buyers since they've priced in their affordability, the property's value proposition and their needs. You won't get this price in mature PJ for the entry level offerings. Like Predator said, don't rush to buy based on pretenses. Read the S&P before you sign.

In the short to middle term, If EXSIM wants to keep up the momentum, they'll have to add more value proposition besides the ECM and the offices. They will need new value propositions to add value against the competition,

so I am optimistic that before they launch DCP commercial phases, they will have to do something to freshen their marketing and add new snazzy value propositions. I

IMO, if they don't do this, how do they differentiate DCP commercial Vs Empire City commercial..these two will be direct competitors and the fact is EXSIM can't earn much to anything at all from EC commercial phases that is already built and sold.

It could be new snazzy attractions at ECM or maybe something at the Rock face (hahaha I expect Predator will be incensed by this "imagination")

My 2 cents with some casual careful analysis of what's available in the public domain. Read the articles. Read my reasonings. Critically analyse them. Would like to hear your own opinions and analysis. But don't do empty naysaying that gives strong opinions but provides no elaboration....

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I've been following this project for quite some time (since the abandonment of Empire City)

a couple my personal point of view on this project :

1. Master Plan design similar to Sunway city, Midvalley, Bangsar South, etc. Retail components and residential mix are there to support the overall long term success of the project (assuming majority are occupied)

2. Connectivity (dash, LDP, etc)

3. It's one of the last piece of master plan design located in PJ area.

4. taken over by a highly reputable developer. after abandonment

5. For sure, oversupply in the market is a major issue that might impact sales performance of this project.

6. The rise in steel prices (regardless of whether it will normalise or not) is going to cause either delay while waiting for price normalisation or, leading to an overall increase in construction cost (either way it leads to the increase in total cost of construction). End product quality is something that must be considered especially for this particular project, the reason why this is particularly important for this project is because it is actually price fairly reasonably (without taking into consideration of density).

7. Also, to add to the previous point. COVID-19 is a black swan event and this is will impact all projects that has had a fairly successful pre-launch. Anything that was sold pre-covid has not yet priced in the delay and potential rise in steel prices which may or may not effect the bottomline of the company.

8. The approach of driving multiple project (5-7) in parallel is something that is different from other masterplan, The strategy for other masterplans is to slowly develop the township by first attracting residential component with affordable product before expanding the total masterplan into a successful one (Midvalley, Sunway City, Subang, etc). However, the approach for empire city is actually the first time we are seeing a developer going all out to mass develop a piece of land in one shot. Success factor of the mall depends on anchor tenant (which is usually driven by foot traffic, we can safely say this is non-existent at the moment). So the concern here is that there might not be enough foot traffic to make to support the mall, and no attractive commercial incentive to support the residential side (compounding effect).

9. The recent cash injection from Rubberex is an interesting one, it is all settled in Cash which mean it could be Exism's strategy to maintain liquidity due to covid. Or it could be a strategy for Exsim to secure a strong supporter/potential tenant for their office spaces to build up anchor tenants to drive the commercial and residential take up (we dont know at this stage).

10. One of the things we need to look out for is also the infrastructure investment for non-sellable assets such as roads and bridges. Infrastructure is good to entice buyer to buy as it can we sold as an integrated City, but also do bear in mind that such investment requires very high cash injection with no direct return on investment (if you see the roads currently, it's not really a priority at the moment due to heavy truck access). Injecting so much money into multiple infrastructure requirements is something that we should keep an eye on.

11. existing demographic of residents in that area might be something everyone needs to look into post abandonment.


In think in summary we need to look out for key indicators that will determine the success or failure of the project (at least in my opinion):

i:) Ability and strategy to acquire anchor tenants for office/retail/hospitality spaces. This is going to be key as it will be needed to drive the sales of the residential component in an oversupply market.
ii:) Management of their cashflow with 6-7 project running in parallel in DCP.


the skybridge obviously makes sense due to the connectivity that it would bring and the indirect intrinsic value for residences to able to access the retail spaces.

As for the rock face park, I dont think this is likely at this stage (not saying it wont happen), but although it might be a nice afterthought, with the current cashflow requirements i dont think it's likely that Exsim will focus on this at this stage as the cost benefit analysis does not seem to make sense at this stage.

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QUOTE(when2meets2boy @ Oct 17 2021, 12:59 AM)
I'll start my views with, we don't know what we don't know, but we can extrapolate from what we see and what we hear

Last we read before the pandemic, the mall was already in dire straits. Losing tenants, incomplete construction, even the main attraction - the ice rink was reported to be in terrible state

I would expect the pandemic to "kill off" much of what tenant left

But on the flip side, we know that Empire City Mall "is too big to fail" for EXSIM. It's also tied to the EXSIM JV, so they would have to deliver. It also helps that DCP value proposition is tied to ECM as the value proposition (selling point). So it's mission #1 for EXSIM to revive it

What we do know. DASH is still ongoing. Sky deck/Sky garden connecting ECM to DCP is being constructed. There is also a cash infusion for ECM with "rubber glove windfall money" being added to the revive ECM JV (Refer to page 20-21 of this thread, the news article is there).

We also know EXSIM successfully gotten its second tranche of loans from UOB/sukuk providers by "monetizing" their sales success for phase 1,2,3 of DCP. (Refer to news article in page 22-23)

So,in my opinion. ECM is dead now.
But there are current positive indicators that it will be revived. Just keep monitoring.

I mean what else in Empire City can be salvaged to revive the veneer - the lowest hanging fruit is ECM. So it will likely be the first component of Empire City to be revived.
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Good insight. In summary, Exsim cant let ECM fail.
Used to visit there 2 years back, nice exterior, but internally, the mall was very run down, many issue with the studio house, and for such a big mall but that quantity of tenants, its a shame.

Connectivity to ECM is also an issue with those ongoing constructions which im not sure if its still ongoing atm.

Tough job for exsim
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QUOTE(DRKLM_91 @ Oct 17 2021, 09:28 AM)
I've been following this project for quite some time (since the abandonment of Empire City)

a couple my personal point of view on this project :

1. Master Plan design similar to Sunway city, Midvalley, Bangsar South, etc. Retail components and residential mix are there to support the overall long term success of the project (assuming majority are occupied)

2. Connectivity (dash, LDP, etc)

3. It's one of the last piece of master plan design located in PJ area.

4. taken over by a highly reputable developer. after abandonment

5. For sure, oversupply in the market is a major issue that might impact sales performance of this project.

6. The rise in steel prices (regardless of whether it will normalise or not) is going to cause either delay while waiting for price normalisation or, leading to an overall increase in construction cost (either way it leads to the increase in total cost of construction). End product quality is something that must be considered especially for this particular project, the reason why this is particularly important for this project is because it is actually price fairly reasonably (without taking into consideration of density).

7. Also, to add to the previous point. COVID-19 is a black swan event and this is will impact all projects that has had a fairly successful pre-launch. Anything that was sold pre-covid has not yet priced in the delay and potential rise in steel prices which may or may not effect the bottomline of the company.

8. The approach of driving multiple project (5-7) in parallel is something that is different from other masterplan, The strategy for other masterplans is to slowly develop the township by first attracting residential component with affordable product before expanding the total masterplan into a successful one (Midvalley, Sunway City, Subang, etc). However, the approach for empire city is actually the first time we are seeing a developer going all out to mass develop a piece of land in one shot. Success factor of the mall depends on anchor tenant (which is usually driven by foot traffic, we can safely say this is non-existent at the moment). So the concern here is that there might not be enough foot traffic to make to support the mall, and no attractive commercial incentive to support the residential side (compounding effect).

9. The recent cash injection from Rubberex is an interesting one, it is all settled in Cash which mean it could be Exism's strategy to maintain liquidity due to covid. Or it could be a strategy for Exsim to secure a strong supporter/potential tenant for their office spaces to build up anchor tenants to drive the commercial and residential take up (we dont know at this stage).

10. One of the things we need to look out for is also the infrastructure investment for non-sellable assets such as roads and bridges. Infrastructure is good to entice buyer to buy as it can we sold as an integrated City, but also do bear in mind that such investment requires very high cash injection with no direct return on investment (if you see the roads currently, it's not really a priority at the moment due to heavy truck access). Injecting so much money into multiple infrastructure requirements is something that we should keep an eye on.

11. existing demographic of residents in that area might be something everyone needs to look into post abandonment.
In think in summary we need to look out for key indicators that will determine the success or failure of the project (at least in my opinion):

i:) Ability and strategy to acquire anchor tenants for office/retail/hospitality spaces. This is going to be key as it will be needed to drive the sales of the residential component in an oversupply market.
ii:) Management of their cashflow with 6-7 project running in parallel in DCP.
the skybridge obviously makes sense due to the connectivity that it would bring and the indirect intrinsic value for residences to able to access the retail spaces.

As for the rock face park, I dont think this is likely at this stage (not saying it wont happen), but although it might be a nice afterthought, with the current cashflow requirements i dont think it's likely that Exsim will focus on this at this stage as the cost benefit analysis does not seem to make sense at this stage.
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8, 9: Thank you for your perspectives and POV for ECM in point 8, 9. Give us another aspect to think about. Wbich adds another indicator to monitor - the revival of ECM. Because we know the JV has the cash, it's now for then to prove to us how effective they are at using it for this purpose. The success of ECM would be pivotal. Since any new launches and the attractiveness of the current residential phases will be tied to the ECM. Most pundits would evaluate DCP's value with the ECM.

On, I think your perspective on the impact of steel price is superior. You're right that the steel price affects construction directly, which is now. I was fixated with preplanning and quantity survey in my analysis, Which is in hindsight incorrect. There is a risk that when EXSIM priced in the current cost of steel, if they cannot take the price pressure, they will have to adjust the future property price. So in short, early buyers would have benefited from the lower entry price point, while future phases might see a rise in price offered

I doubt EXSIM will reprice the existing unsold Inventory, as it would risk a negative backlash from existing buyers, which is counter productive to their strategy to sell as much as they can.

As for point 10, a lot of the infrastructure seems to be DASH, a was in the vicinity just now, the EXSIM specific constructions looks to be more focused on the sky deck and garden. They will need to start working in the existing incomplete Empire City infrastructure soon though, because their Mossas is there.

All is all, EXSIM's cash flow health (management of cashflow) is a key indicator. And how this cash flow translate into sales performance or revival or delivering KPI is another key thing to watch. Because their loans seems to be tied directly to this metric.

Yes, as for the rock face park, I also think it's not going to be short to mid term. It's an opportunity to tap if EXSIM finds there is a need to sizzle up marketing of future phases.

End product quality for the Empire City portion will always be a question mark, as it's building on shaky quality inherited from Mammoth Empire. And a lot of commentators mentioned D series as the benchmark for the phase 1, 2, 3. That's a good perspective. But we'll never know, developer's only care for their bottom line and Malaysians are easy to forget if you wow them with snazzy marketing. I guess exisiting buyers should keep taking about such concerns and how they believe in EXSIM and will be angry if EXSIM betray this trust. Make it a recurring talkpoint. EXSIM will take notice. And this might work to temper their bottomline considerations.

The whole DCP marketing as it stands seems to hinge on FOMO. So prospective buyers need to weigh the upside and downside. Study every line if the SPA before you sign in the dotted line.
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If you're buying here for own stay, you should pray very hard that there will be more access roads in and out of the development. Otherwise, enjoy the rush hour jam with the thousands of other folks in the morning and evening on Jalan PJU 8/8 and the 4-junction traffic light.
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If you're buying here for own stay, you should pray very hard that there will be more access roads in and out of the development. Otherwise, enjoy the rush hour jam with the thousands of other folks in the morning and evening on Jalan PJU 8/8 and the 4-junction traffic light.
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Yes at the moment there seems to be three to five exits in the works, including direct access off and into DASH, and direct access off and into LDP. Whether they will be completed remains to be seen, but recent construction works are seen in progress if you do a site recce. https://youtu.be/t-NmJafdwTw .. we can see from the site that almost all of the illustrated road access shown on the video has its equivalents being built and completed at various degrees. I was nearby in TTDI and Kampung Palimbayan, so I drove by to have a peek. Some new photos below.


There's a few hidden gems in Kampung Palimbayan which is still there, including the used to be famous Subak, Bora Asmara and a couple of forest homestay chalets. Can visit and support if you are doubly dosed.

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...well?

*Expected Exsim new launch 2022*

December to January = Dterra + Dclover + DIVO + others
February - Desa petaling + empire phase 7
April - bukit jalil + empire phase 8
June - desa petaling - phase 2 + Empire phase 10
June - USJ REMIX phase 1
August - bukit jalil phase 2 + empire phase 11
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Hopefully not all of the phases are residential again.. at least not phase 10 and 11
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QUOTE(Marcus1680803 @ Dec 4 2021, 11:39 AM)
...well?

*Expected Exsim new launch 2022*

December to January = Dterra + Dclover + DIVO + others
February - Desa petaling + empire phase 7
April - bukit jalil + empire phase 8
June - desa petaling - phase 2 + Empire phase 10
June - USJ REMIX phase 1
August - bukit jalil phase 2 + empire phase 11
...

Hopefully not all of the phases are residential again.. at least not phase 10 and 11
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Most likely they will be residential projects.
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QUOTE(MalcomShorten @ Dec 4 2021, 12:39 PM)
Most likely they will be residential projects.
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If that's the case, this masterplan more crazy than RC residence.. I thought middle those are for offices.. rclxub.gif
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If that's the case, this masterplan more crazy than RC residence.. I thought middle those are for offices.. rclxub.gif
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Could be, but my prediction is more residential units looking at the current economical state and demand in that area.
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Shoot me like I will die la, unless in real life la haha

You tell me if Exsim project is a failure, why still so many buying from EXSIM?

It's all loyal clients, having faith, recommendations, any projects from any developers is from the likes by individual, not everybody has the same taste. Everyday makan nasi lemak will be jelak la wei.

Any enquiry or comments on this, please PM la, easier for whatsapp, I am not any telemarketer for any scams biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(heiwa17 @ Dec 5 2021, 09:15 PM)
Shoot me like I will die la, unless in real life la haha

You tell me if Exsim project is a failure, why still so many buying from EXSIM?

It's all loyal clients, having faith, recommendations, any projects from any developers is from the likes by individual, not everybody has the same taste. Everyday makan nasi lemak will be jelak la wei.

Any enquiry or comments on this, please PM la, easier for whatsapp, I am not any telemarketer for any scams biggrin.gif
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High commission IQI agents bombarding this projects like no tmr will get the job done easily whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Marcus1680803 @ Dec 5 2021, 09:52 PM)
High commission IQI agents bombarding this projects like no tmr will get the job done easily  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Marcus1680803 @ Dec 4 2021, 11:39 AM)
...well?

*Expected Exsim new launch 2022*

December to January = Dterra + Dclover + DIVO + others
February - Desa petaling + empire phase 7
April - bukit jalil + empire phase 8
June - desa petaling - phase 2 + Empire phase 10
June - USJ REMIX phase 1
August - bukit jalil phase 2 + empire phase 11
...

Hopefully not all of the phases are residential again.. at least not phase 10 and 11
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Desa petaling, issit the 2nd phase of Nidoz? Nearby that area?
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EXSIM should do more and invest more effort into really sounding their own official plans, position, timeline, vision and mission for their masterplan for Damansara Central Park, like an unifying official page with all the above infomation, and then protecting the IP so that you don't see multiple urls claiming to represent Damansara Central Park

Just a cursory search and I get more than afew websites claiming to be the official, and each with its own twist and marketing of the "masterplan", it is confusing and really doesn't do well in inspiring a sense of a developer's commitment, clarity, and vision for their master plan

in short having too many cooks will spoil the broth. True, having multiple channels for marketing will definitely scale and increase sales, but having to many different messaging really just draws confusion and maybe even negative perception for their project - as evidenced by the various input and exchanges on this thread

EXSIM should think about it...... just went to their EXSIM official website, its like the Damansara Central Park isn't even an idea there. A couple of individual websites (which is good) for each of the ongoing residential development that is "somewhat considered " to be part of the DCP masterplan, but dig into these official websites for each project, no (?) mention of masterplan...

one have to really wonder what strategy is EXSIM going about? anyone in the know?

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EXSIM should do more and invest more effort into really sounding their own official plans, position, timeline, vision and mission for their masterplan for Damansara Central Park, like an unifying official page with all the above infomation, and then protecting the IP so that you don't see multiple urls claiming to represent Damansara Central Park

Just a cursory search and I get more than afew websites claiming to be the official, and each with its own twist and marketing of the "masterplan", it is confusing and really doesn't do well in inspiring a sense of a developer's commitment, clarity, and vision for their master plan

in short having too many cooks will spoil the broth. True, having multiple channels for marketing will definitely scale and increase sales, but having to many different messaging really just draws confusion and maybe even negative perception for their project - as evidenced by the various input and exchanges on this thread

EXSIM should think about it...... just went to their EXSIM official website, its like the Damansara Central Park isn't even an idea there. A couple of individual websites (which is good) for each of the ongoing residential development that is "somewhat considered " to be part of the DCP masterplan, but dig into these official websites for each project, no (?) mention of masterplan...

one have to really wonder what strategy is EXSIM going about? anyone in the know?
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Most of these are done by 3rd party agencies sadly 😂 Exsim has a huge number of outside agents that help sell their property.

pretty sure a lot of their masterplan still under pending land acquisition/approval/licensing to advertise, because cannot market masterplan publicly without approval and licensing.
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QUOTE(Marcus1680803 @ Dec 4 2021, 11:39 AM)
...well?

*Expected Exsim new launch 2022*

December to January = Dterra + Dclover + DIVO + others
February - Desa petaling + empire phase 7
April - bukit jalil + empire phase 8
June - desa petaling - phase 2 + Empire phase 10
June - USJ REMIX phase 1
August - bukit jalil phase 2 + empire phase 11
...

Hopefully not all of the phases are residential again.. at least not phase 10 and 11
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Bukit Jalil still have land for 2 new projects? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(DRKLM_91 @ Oct 16 2021, 07:28 PM)
I've been following this project for quite some time (since the abandonment of Empire City)

a couple my personal point of view on this project :

1. Master Plan design similar to Sunway city, Midvalley, Bangsar South, etc. Retail components and residential mix are there to support the overall long term success of the project (assuming majority are occupied)

2. Connectivity (dash, LDP, etc)

3. It's one of the last piece of master plan design located in PJ area.

4. taken over by a highly reputable developer. after abandonment

5. For sure, oversupply in the market is a major issue that might impact sales performance of this project.

6. The rise in steel prices (regardless of whether it will normalise or not) is going to cause either delay while waiting for price normalisation or, leading to an overall increase in construction cost (either way it leads to the increase in total cost of construction). End product quality is something that must be considered especially for this particular project, the reason why this is particularly important for this project is because it is actually price fairly reasonably (without taking into consideration of density).

7. Also, to add to the previous point. COVID-19 is a black swan event and this is will impact all projects that has had a fairly successful pre-launch. Anything that was sold pre-covid has not yet priced in the delay and potential rise in steel prices which may or may not effect the bottomline of the company.

8. The approach of driving multiple project (5-7) in parallel is something that is different from other masterplan, The strategy for other masterplans is to slowly develop the township by first attracting residential component with affordable product before expanding the total masterplan into a successful one (Midvalley, Sunway City, Subang, etc). However, the approach for empire city is actually the first time we are seeing a developer going all out to mass develop a piece of land in one shot. Success factor of the mall depends on anchor tenant (which is usually driven by foot traffic, we can safely say this is non-existent at the moment). So the concern here is that there might not be enough foot traffic to make to support the mall, and no attractive commercial incentive to support the residential side (compounding effect).

9. The recent cash injection from Rubberex is an interesting one, it is all settled in Cash which mean it could be Exism's strategy to maintain liquidity due to covid. Or it could be a strategy for Exsim to secure a strong supporter/potential tenant for their office spaces to build up anchor tenants to drive the commercial and residential take up (we dont know at this stage).

10. One of the things we need to look out for is also the infrastructure investment for non-sellable assets such as roads and bridges. Infrastructure is good to entice buyer to buy as it can we sold as an integrated City, but also do bear in mind that such investment requires very high cash injection with no direct return on investment (if you see the roads currently, it's not really a priority at the moment due to heavy truck access). Injecting so much money into multiple infrastructure requirements is something that we should keep an eye on.

11. existing demographic of residents in that area might be something everyone needs to look into post abandonment.
In think in summary we need to look out for key indicators that will determine the success or failure of the project (at least in my opinion):

i:) Ability and strategy to acquire anchor tenants for office/retail/hospitality spaces. This is going to be key as it will be needed to drive the sales of the residential component in an oversupply market.
ii:) Management of their cashflow with 6-7 project running in parallel in DCP.
the skybridge obviously makes sense due to the connectivity that it would bring and the indirect intrinsic value for residences to able to access the retail spaces.

As for the rock face park, I dont think this is likely at this stage (not saying it wont happen), but although it might be a nice afterthought, with the current cashflow requirements i dont think it's likely that Exsim will focus on this at this stage as the cost benefit analysis does not seem to make sense at this stage.
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Very interesting comments.

Can confirm what office tenants and retails will move in central park?? EC mall how is it doing now? Hotels like Marriott all doing well and opened?
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QUOTE(Babizz @ Mar 20 2022, 10:50 AM)
Very interesting comments.

Can confirm what office tenants and retails will move in central park?? EC mall how is it doing now? Hotels like Marriott all doing well and opened?
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Apa pun takde skarang. Still a dead town
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QUOTE(Onetwothreeeee @ Mar 19 2022, 11:29 PM)
Apa pun takde skarang. Still a dead town
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That why must take this type of analysis with pinch of salt.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 1 2023, 10:47 PM)

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mosque can be attraction

can't deny that tho, for certain people hmm.gif

 

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