Interesting topography for Block A and B of D'Erica. Depending on the block (block A) and facing side of your unit, you'll probably be shielded from all that traffic noise from LDP and likely be facing a permanent green forest/jungle vista (or rock face, it will depend on your unit floor.

Because the elevation (200-300m) backing the D'Erica area is not part of DCP (with an exception of one plot), and also part of a "forest reserve", and the elevation makes it unlikely to become a candidate of any high-rise development.

Unless they plan to build bungalows like the ones EXIM has planned on the other side of the same Bukit (the heights area above the failed/currently being revived Empire Residences).

I would wonder if Tan Sri Emkay would "defend" the heights on the DCP side, since any development will be too close to comfort to his top of the bukit private mansion

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Some news. Looks like you may not be keeping your greens, unless we do something about it. The Selangor government want to rezone the whole Bukit and reserve. https://www.facebook.com/1575795879305539/p...91935/?sfnsn=mo or search for Say No to DASH it is only in the stage where they're proposing, and the public can still voice rejection.

My worry is, if you allow development on top is the hill, then the place will be denuded of trees. Can be a massive risk because the back of the Damansara Central Park is so steep. Need trees to hold the soil. IMHO

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Sorry the correct link is https://www.facebook.com/1575795879305539/p...848931791991935
I think it is of concern for all residents and owners ringing the Bukit Lanjan. If you check out Bukit Lanjan itself (Google Earth), the topography is not suitable, unless the whole area is low rise bungalow, even that means a lot of trees cleared and soil erosion unless density is as low as Country Heights Damansara. There is even a concern if water drainage, there's a natural lake there. If they make it high rise residential, there will be lots of tree felling and slope cutting, and hence detrimental to both environment, health and safety

Concerned residents should block this cadangan even before it flies. Esp for residents of Damansara Central Park, Damansara Perdana, Rafflesia, ForestHill, Flora, Empire Residences, Foresta, Seresta and even Airie and Paradesa, Rustika, Tropika.

P.S. After going through the city planning report apparently the hill top of Bukit Lanjan has been zoned residential from way before. The only major change of note in April 2021 around Armanee, making it a busy area. So, you only hope is to keep a watch eye to find out if there will be any unapproved hill development or sneaky revisions to it. Currently, it is zoned low density residential. Good luck to residents around Bukit Lanjan.

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Hi everyone,

Did anyone noticed this before (see image), this is a screenshot of the Google Map: Terrain view. Why is that Google indicate the current Central Park Damansara site as two lakes? Or water bodies? Should follow up with checks

P.S. the topography of the Bukit Lanjan hill top is too sloping to have high rise residential. Maybe these are going to be low density residence like bungalow


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It's free, use Google maps , then switch to terrain view. Google maps 3D view on desktop (or Google Earth app on phone) also gives you a 3D perspective of the terrain and topography.

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The land and residential plots "orange color" belong to MK Land Holdings or their subsidiary Saujana Triangle. The only ones that are "government" are the dark green "square" that's suppose to be the remaining "forest reserve".

If you check the Google Maps, you find that the big mansion on top of Bukit Lanjan (up there behind Damansara Central Park), that belongs the head honcho Tan Sri Mustapha Kamal or Tan Sri Emkay.

In fact the Damansara Central Park began life as a joint venture between Mammoth Empire and MK Land back in 2015, my guess is the land is then sold to Mammoth Empire, which then sold it off to Exsim.

MK Land gained the whole Damansara Perdana landbank after the orang asli here is "relocated". Look for Desa Temuan in DP. These bungalows are supposed to be compensation to the orang asli. The story goes some of orang asli don't even want to stay at these bungalows.

How Emkay got this far piece of land, we wouldn't know, since decades ago, we don't have internet. What I do know is that Emkay was a Selangor land officer, before "moving" to work for a short while in property, then start food business and then finally setup this MK Land

Flora Damansara is developed by MK Land, along with the PJ trade centre "BATA building", the posh"er" Rafflesia, Armanee, and the Metropolitan Square, etc.

I read that was in financial difficulties in early 2000s, also heard of bankruptcies for their Australian group, also problems with Armanee 2. Probably why Mammoth Empire went into play with Empire Damansara, Empire Residences and Empire City (this one not sure if it was MK land's)

We also know what went on through the years of pain with Mammoth Empire and all the Empire branded developments.

Anyway, last I checked MK Land is not in the best shape, but way better than Mammoth Empire. Back in 2018 I read MK Land has issues with unpaid taxes (case in court with LHDN), also read about 100s of millions of unsold in Rafflesia and Armanee 2 combined (2017). Not much news or movements for MK Land and it's Damansara Perdana landbank

The latest MBPJ seems to indicate some new activity, with schools and public services proposed next to Rafflesia. maybe MK Land is gearing up to cut down Bukit Lanjan trees and make Bungalows in the next couple of years. if not why MBPJ is intetested in placing new schools and even public services so deep inside Damansara Perdana.

DASH is also going online soon. With its completion, maybe they can even argue for higher density development along Damansara Perdana. But who knows?

Kesian Foresta and Seresta who will at one point will lose hat trees and forest reserve view.

At least it seems from the MBPJ proposal that the "heights" behind Damansara Central Park will be parkland and one plot for residential.


https://www.malaysiapropertynews.com/2011/0...-damansara.html

http://www.mbpj.gov.my/ms/draf-rtpj-2-pengubahan-3


These are good case study to get learnings, for new home buyers and new property owners
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=80793147

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=98384027


P.S. I finally have a chance to pour over the latest MBPJ Draf RTPJ2 (Draf Rancangan Tempatan PJ 2), here are some useful screenshots with information for home buyers / investors looking at the Damansara Center Park - cadangan (meaning much of this plan is a proposal, and residents can voice their rejection - bantahan


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Also found more info about the temple. http://lungmu.blogspot.com

https://m.facebook.com/LungMuTempleMalaysia/


Also found more interesting backstory and current status for the Temuan Orang Asli, the original owners of Damansara Perdana and Bukit Lanjan https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/artic...877042812010828. Interesting read of the location's history

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P.S. I finally have a chance to pour over the latest MBPJ Draf RTPJ2 (Draf Rancangan Tempatan PJ 2), here are some useful screenshots with information for home buyers / investors looking at the Damansara Center Park -

Interested residents of PJ and Damansara Perdana should know that this is a cadangan (meaning, much of this plan is in proposal stage, concerned residents, or residents who thinks the plan is against their interest, can voice their rejection through submissions to MBPJ - bantahan here http://www.mbpj.gov.my/ms/draf-rtpj-2-pengubahan-3 (6 April-6 May 2021)

More information about the Residential planning that Damansara Centre Park home buyers/investors might be interested in

Curiously, the official planning images in the draf RTPJ2 calls the residential plots (pink color) behind the Damansara Centre Park location as "cadangan" - as this is draf still proposal stage, I think residents, if rejects this, can still lodge an objection (bantahan) if they want to keep the forest reserve

Does it really matter? as the cadangan seems to already been crystalised in the draf. IMHO, it is your right. You are a resident, and you pay the various taxes and fees to the Selangor government/town councils - e.g. assessment tax, various compounds, licenses, rents, bookings, deposits, various bills and grass cutting bill, etc.

So just for the record - so that the Selangor politicians and town councilors know that is is a highly unpopular (or popular) their cadangan is

Sometimes it works, just google to look for to the popular movement that stopped KIDEX proposed elevated 4 lane highway cutting through the old PJ residential areas, because KIDEX failed to adhere to local standards for town planning, safety, social wellbeing, pollution and environment


Make informed choices! this is my best advice for homebuyers or investors. Do you homework. Because your income and your investments are all from your blood, sweat and toil. Make sure your investment counts

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Final entry here, directly related to Damansara Central Park - the zoning of this development



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Is it only me seeing this, but I believe the "artist impression" forested park at the rock face is the area circled in electric blue?

Possible, since the PJ draft plan that is not DCP is occupying the areas on the heights above the rock face.

In fact some of the demarcation of DCP area in the public domain does indicated that DCP might include a small strip to the cliff edge of the said rock face.

Since the plot of land at the rock face aren't suitable for building residential or offices, if EXSIM is creative enough and smart about it, they should make the rock face an attraction.

Hopefully the artist impressions can become a reality.

Anyways, a shot in stimpak for Empire City Mall https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1900326/emp...l-says-rubberex

Cash rich from windfall but don't know where to spend. As a result Empire City Mall gets some cash infusion

Time will tell. Developer's will out in the money if it makes business sense. Just like how EXSIM is willing to fund the expensive 'overpass'
sky deck park.

In the same vein, like you said, the sky deck doesn't get income from selling it directly to property buyers, but they invested in it because it makes business sense, as a marketing tool/gimmick to sell the first 5 residential phases. Hence it's money that had to be spent.

So it is my opinion that the "rock face" will happen, just as it might not happen. It just depends on the chance opportunity and marketing need for EXSIM. Based on the "artist impressions", it doesn't seem to be an expensive build, compared to for example, to making the sky deck or a road ramp for road access

From the artist impressions and and the blue circled structures in the plan, it seems to only involve a few small structures for humans and a few small hanging platforms. As for the water falls, it just having pumps. Even Seresta have an artificial waterfall in that development

It all depends if the investment by Exsim is worth the marketing gimmick. I would think it is extremely stupid for EXSIM not to create an attraction out if the rock face, where else in KL/PJ would you have this? Nearest similar attractions would be Perak.

Remember Malaysia's perpetual fancy for hanging restaurants at higher elevations? There is not much left in Klang Valley after the closure of the Ampang Look Out Point. Could be an attraction, if not by EXSIM, could be rented out. Do you know how much is the rental for Ampang Look Out Point before it ceased operations due to ownership change?

An entrepeunerial mind can even make this an adventure park for rock climbing.

I mean your assesement is another form of confirmation bias isn't it?
Like I said, in the same vein if apply your same style analysis/ssesement/chicken counting to the sky deck, sky deck wouldn't happen right? It's also not in the official page or brochures when Damansara central park was launched years ago?

Time will tell, I have already stated in my opinions that it might or might not be built, I am not claiming it will be built, but you're insisting it won't be built. I am ok with your pessimism but I don't appreciate you being snarky and then go on to make overt attempts at accusations and character assassinations just because other people's opinions doesn't fit your world view.

That's what we call confirmation bias in psychology. I am not sure what's your deal man? It really makes me wonder whete all that vitriol and angst is coming from. Not that I am even rejecting or opining your "hypothetical assessments", I am only positing my hypothesis.

I am not a purchaser of this property but I am watching this property because it is in the vicinity of my home and investments, so I watch to see if it competes or compliments my investments,

At the same time, I can emphatize with the purchasers who wishes to be optimistic as it is their hard earned money they've put into it. Who knows, every little motivation counts. I have posited that the rock face will be a misopportunity if the developers don't milk that features unique to the area. So who knows if the butterfly effect comes into effect and some decision maker commits to activate it.

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 12 2021, 11:28 AM

For a persona who touts and sells on his/her own "prowess" in facts and official information, it's rather funny that you've missed the sky deck. I don't need to show information, all you need is to travel along LDP and you'll see the sky deck being constructed in the flesh/metal.

Much more when you don't even bother to read my posts and statements, I am positing a hypothesis that there are indicators that the artist impressions on the rock wall MIGHT happen. I do not claim or insist that it WILL happen. At the same time, I am also positing that EXSIM would have been missing an opportunity to make the rock face a unique attraction. I am NOT CLAIMING THAT EXSIM IS BUILDING THAT ATTRACTION. The distinction is vey clear once anyone has read my short posts. It doesn't take more than a few minutes to read through my posts and find out this fact of statement. SO MUCH FOR YOUR BIG CLAIM OF ASSESSING INFORMATION, you don't even spend the time to read simple posts.

I really have to question your motivations here. What is confirmation bias, you ask. IT IS APPARENT when you repeat claim that "IT IS NOT HAPPENING". To state as such is making a solid claim, and not opinion. And pray tell what this claim is based on what? Facts? information? or is it merely your own deductions?

Objectively, it is at best deductions. Just as I am making deductions to posit my hypothesis.

That much I can agree, that nothing is set in stone until the fat lady sings, and too I have based my posts on such deductions, not claims. Let's be clear here, I DID NOT CLAIM IT WILL BE BUILT. Nor did I encourage for or against buying or investing in this property based on this premise. Please get you head around this fact.

In contrast, you have come across as "vehemently" in your total rejection of anything that could be positive and selectively mantra-ing everything negative that can be said of this development. That is bias, selective bias at that. For this observation alone, I have questions on your motivations

Don't forget, I am the original poster that brought forth information on the MBPJ Town Planning Report and brought it to the attention of this forum.

Like I said, your statements are not FACT (based on your own metric of gauging fact to fiction), your statements on the "artist impressions" are based on making deductions. Hence it is a tall order to make a claim that "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN", especially when you go around to saying that you are all EVIDENCE AND FACTS.

RIGHT.... All that "I am based in evidence"...and then you go on to claim "it is not happening". Well, so much for evidence based statements and facts. If you can't see through your own hypocrisy, nothing will convinces you

Unlike you, like I have already clearly put in my posts, I am discussing about "potential", "hypothesis". Not hearsay or claims or statements

And yes you only know what you know, so much for waving through and disregarding the fact that is the sky deck being contructed when it does not serve your narrative.. DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND STOP PREACHING.

It is alright to bring up pros and cons of any particular project, just that it is right for prospective buyers and existing buyers to speculate the potential of a particular project. But is not right to be hypocritical and claim "I am evidence based, wave off evidence preach speculative doom (i.e. it is not happening) and then go on sitting on the high horse and wallowing in hypocrisy

Yes this is when you start projecting delusional projections on people who does not fit your world view, first claiming I am an agent and now claiming I am a buyer. Trying to build a strawmen argument here are you?

I am none of the above. I weigh the pros and cons and I discuss about potential. Unlike you, hypocritically negative about this project by only highlighting negatives and peep squeak when positives stares back at you (examples of the hypocrisy? Others say: double glazed windows, you: no comment. Other say: Look, it doesn't make sense to invest in the sky deck as it not profitable. you: really, there is a sky deck, show me the evidence. Others: Oh, I thought you know it all?)

We are here to discuss the project, be it things that has been commited to paper, or things that seems to be true but it's speculative, or potential pitfalls of the project or potential opportunities for the project

You overwhelmingly apparent naysaying of this project only reflects your inherent bias. Your feeble attempts at sowing doubt in my optimism by painting me as an agent or a buyer makes it doubly apparent of some agenda

By the way, I couldn't find any plans set in paper from the town planning dept on the road access, but based on EXSIM's own artist impressions, a few master plan sketches in the public domain (not by EXSIM) and DASH's drawings, it looks like there is likely a plan or a potential for building a road access using the sky deck portion currently being built. Could be a potential solution for the road access choke points.

This assessment is based on alignment of the two major roads between the Phases in the DCP, and a road access linked to DASH that runs around the backsude perimeter of Empire City and linking up to DCP via the sky deck. So there is a potential solution to the single access via LDP or Damansara Perdana, it's only a matter of when or how it could make marketing/business sense for EXSIM

Perhaps that's is the main reason why they build the sky deck now. First to link up Empire City to DCP and then perhaps to make roads access that runs along the Sky Deck too.

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More information based on a couple of renditions available in the public domain

4. Existing road access via Damansara Perdana
3. Loop over Sky Deck to front side of Empire City
2. Loop over Sky Deck to back side of Empire City
1. Existing underpass that runs under LDP

If this comes to fruition, then there will be options for future DCP residents to conveniently link up to LDP or DASH or
Penchala SPRINT

P.S. From attached image no. 1 you can also see that road no. 3 has a direct access ramp off into DCP for LDP heading north

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Look in the mirror man. And read my posts diligently

In short, you attacked and made accusations. I merely posited an opinion about the potential of the rock face artist impression I explained and questioned your motivations

Go figure. The sky deck construction is so big and so prominent it's hard to miss. You're a facts guy right, before you open your mouth and shoot your guns, go do a site visit

I brought up the sky deck because it can be correlated to a point you insist if making, you posited that "no developer will spend the money to build something they cannot sell". The sky deck is precisely this investment that the developer is making despite it not even in any official brochures for the phase 1 to 4

In fact the sky deck only exists in artist impressions

Like I said, it is not the end until the fat lady sings. You're in actual fact missing the forest for the trees. It is true that a developer will act if it makes business sense. And to me, the sky deck makes perfect business sense, so too for the even much cheaper facilities that can be built on the rock face that makes up the artists impressions that you are so anal about

Like I said, I have been clear that I am making deductions based on the opportunity value of the rock face

In contrast you're making bold claims of IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN based on deductions. So much for evidence and facts.

You clearly are sub par when it comes to comprehension. Or is it because your warped logic and ego has clouded your mind

Read my posts again.

The park (or in the case, I mention it as artist impression or rock face) is relevant to my opinions of the instrinsic untapped marketing value of this unique topology that EXSIM can choose to or not choose to activate. I merely see the potential. I don't make claims.

As for the sky deck, it has been used as an analogy to point out the err in your thoughtprocess and also your lack thereof of objectivity/or due diligence despite claiming to be all facts, figures and evidence based

It's clear to all you have not visited the site, at least the a period of 1.5 years. The construction of the sky deck have been ongoing for at least 1.5 years. I don't think you should even be taken seriously on this point alone. So much for facts, figures and evidence based

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