Been to showroom and surveyed for D'Erica, did my own research. Was offered around 600 psf nett, but I turned down offer.

As mentioned by others', the density of the whole project including nearby buildings is big concern, and unless you work nearby, traffic is going to be hell. I foresee that the roads will be extremely congested and surrounding areas will be affected by it. I'm not sure if this project is really that attractive to people who work more than 30km away and rely on driving

as for whether it's a bargain and there will be capital appreciation... again, the density works against it, because you're competing with the other owners in the whole project If want to drive the price up to "Damansara" level they're going to have to transform the whole area to make it seem higher class.

I see. All information getting online n u never go showroom to understand more. No of property own is my curiosity to knw y.
Some people can just give plenty opinion like master expert.. But end up v zero property on hand n all just big talk. Hope you are not that kind of people. When people hold many property on hand, u still doubt whether which is the best property or right time for you. Yes,you can continue your negative judgement and assumption..No one can stop you and i not sure what is your intention keep repeating the same topic again n again. Wish you choose the best property in your life.

This post has been edited by Erictan1981: Apr 10 2021, 09:17 AM

I'm not claiming to be an expert... just providing my observation based on the available facts...

Again... since when argument from authority is needed to provide one's observation and opinion on a project?? You don't need to own many properties to tell a property is good or bad based on external factors.... besides what is even the correlation between owning other properties and providing one's observation on this particular property???

So you telling me... if I don't own any properties... the highway is going to disappear?? the religious places will automatically move to other location?? the mosque would suddenly stop building?? the location automatically turns into your fantasy land???

I can't stress this enough.... my views on this project given so far was based on external factors.... I've not given any conjectures like you.... who kept saying things that might happen with zero basis.... it is absolutely naïve to think that the developer would develop the area for benefit of the current projects buyers when they themselves have not declared any of your imaginary scenario in their masterplan...

My assumption were not all negative.... plus..... didn't you just admit that the property is crap because of the price you are paying?? Why are you suddenly on a defensive mode again?? It's like you can't make up your mind....

This post has been edited by holypredator: Apr 10 2021, 10:06 AM

Haha, who is so defensive? Just answer my question how many property u own will do. I hope you are not a fresh bird who have plenty complains but still looking for 1st house. Good luck.

I'm just retorting your points....

I seriously do not know what is your end game here...

First... you condemn others who gave negative views about the property

Then... you yourself says that the property is as cheap as the price paid...

do you not have any constructive views on the property that you've bought?? It felt like you are on a blind purchase here.... meaning to say that you bought this property because of the cheap price without doing an ounce of research. while hoping that everything about the property is good ... hence when people started to point out the flaws then you starts to exhibit buyer's remorse behaviour..

also... I'm not sure how many times I need to repeat myself... the number of properties I own is none of your concern...

I have no idea what "fresh bird" means.... but I couldn't care less with the strange words or analogies that you've been using....

This post has been edited by holypredator: Apr 10 2021, 10:42 AM

Hahaha,How do you confirm people blindly purchase?No need to make own assumption again v long explanation. i not sure what is your motive behind keep defense your statetent here. Perharp you are exsim hater or competitor which i wont knw. Since you have make up your mind nobody will force you accept these property,pls go hunt your own best property. No point waste time to argue n repeat same topic again n again. if you never own any property,pls all this just a big talk.

This post has been edited by Erictan1981: Apr 10 2021, 11:04 AM

I did not confirm that you purchase your property blindly... I said "It felt like"... basically a supposition based on our exchange...

Do you not understand the words that were conveyed to you?? Because either you did not read what I've wrote or you are challenged in the English language...

Again... I can't stress this enough... this is an open forum for discussion not a place to glorify your purchase...

Pros:

- Cheap in PJ/Damansara
- Facilities and amenities nearby

Cons:
- very noisy if facing road
- high density
- Road access very jam
- construction beside very loud + air pollution. Be prepared to live with this for the next 5-10 years after VP-ed in 2024.
- Noise pollution from religious activities.

In summary, cheap in PJ, but it's cheap for a reason. High dense, small layout, noise and air pollution. And expensive living.

All the best.

This post has been edited by Oklahoma: Apr 10 2021, 11:44 AM

The usual problem as Malaysians, sigh. Why can't you take a constructive criticism and just move one? Why can'y both of you agree to disagree?

He has his own points about external factors which are all valid and your point is valid as well, with the cheap PSQFT argument.

Is it really worth both of your time and effort to be spent on a forum discussing about a project? He has no obligation tell you how many properties he owns. You have no obligation to tell him how many you own as well.

It's a public forum to discuss a project, everyone can voice their opinions and give conflicting points, and at the end of the day if both of you disagree then just agree to disagree la, hwy becoming like Malaysian politicians you point me i point you, you shout your points i shout mine, at the end of the day providing 0 value to people who's reading.

All I see is a buyer here getting all worked up that he can't accept the fact that this is a public forum, that people can talk about something all they want.

"Omg y u keep attacking the project that I bought with facts, I feel attacked!!!"

Pros:

- Cheap in PJ/Damansara
- Facilities and amenities nearby
- Given landscape plots for public use, the skybridge park and internal park (within masterplan) done by known and respected LA whose landscape design have always added value to the property design.

Cons:
- very noisy if facing road [arguably, same for any house, and you're so high up/people have different noise tolerances/desensitised - if youre talking abt noise coz of future construction later, then agree]
- high density [a hard reality for ANY new upcoming housing project, it is still a con but we all have to live with for future unfortunately. Unless you are buying super expensive plot - but even then got expensive plots that are considered high dense also - to tackle this just requires good urban design]
- Road access very jam [we wont know until the full masterplan comes out to read how the road will work.]
- construction beside very loud + air pollution. Be prepared to live with this for the next 5-10 years after VP-ed in 2024.
- Noise pollution from religious activities. [not necessarily a con because it's not unpleasant sound per say like construction work - again, some people's noise tolerance, different and eventually maybe even you will be desensitised to the sound]

Also, on small layout comment; unfortunately anywhere you find will have the layout size lebih kurang. To me personally, small is below 1000sqft. But DErica has 1000,1200 and 1500. So ok la, not that small. Of course you know in hot locations, it would cost much much more for even 1000sqft.

My SA informed what is confirmed happening for the township masterplan hopefully comes out end of this year.

Who is the LA?
There are new housing developments that are not as high dense?
If the master plan is something to hold credit for, then isn't that the road access still is very jam? If there will be a huge change in masterplan then isn't that cheating towards buyers who bought based on current masterplan?

I don't see how noise from religious activities relates to noise tolerance? Why people of other religions should listen or suffer from noise of a certain religion? (It isn't an issue if agents speak the truth when they are presenting but as I said, I'm an sa there, you will be surprised how low the probability of agents there telling the truth)

Thanks for your explanations which I have already known.

This post has been edited by lollipopkan: Apr 10 2021, 02:06 PM

The LA is Seksan.

I'm not denying that this isn't high dense. I'm saying other housing developments of this price range (and lower and even got some higher than this price range) is also of high density. And that's a reality now most have to live with because we are in KL/popular areas of Selangor. We are in the age of high dense living already - hard to run away, so how to deal to curb to not feel so high dense? Good urban design, good layout design within building etc. Buyers should learn to judge based on those internal factors too other than whole je. So if your budget is 650psf and you look elsewhere in these popular areas, you will find most are high dense anyway.

Yes it's cheating, then you just have to hope and depend on developer's reputation la AND wait for the confirmed masterplan. My SA didnt lie to me, to say the masterplan model i saw is 100% confirm, just some rough ideas because no one knows yet. So it was my risk as buyer, then fine la.

On noise from religious activities, what i mean by noise tolerance is because not everyone minds the sounds coming from so and so religious buildings, not everyone finds it unpleasant - i accept that some people can tolerate and some people cannot. And if any religious building within the vicinity is a complete deal breaker, then please go ahead and consider another location. The question whether should or not; i've mentioned we live in a multicultural country - you are bound to find some situations you are going to be exposed to these other cultures and it is not nice to say you are suffering because they are there unless they are actually causing legit nuisance.

lol if you have beef with SAs who don't speak the truth, then by all means, please tegur them to state all facts and encourage your buyers to ask questions. SAs have a job to sell i understand, but buyers also must be confident to ask the right questions. Maybe even you as SA, you should push and ask the developer to provide confirmed info on masterplan for you to convey to buyers.

Fair points, level headed explanations, some agents and buyers here are so obnoxious that they defend the project brainlessly.

Even people stating facts, they thought people have agenda. This project is a property development, not a cult or religion. We are all discussing here, there is no need to feel attacked.

i can smell this forum full of agent fire rather than discussion. Normal forumers only give pros n cons remark. They wont so aggressive n defensive until certain extend.

Sound like buyer of derica is a fool n brainless or cheated by IQI agent. A professional agent will be always stand neutral telling pros n cons of project n let buyer make their smart decision. Reader are no blind. I feel funny when reading emo feel attacking because of some disagreement. MR agent no need so hard selling sabotage other project. Be neutral n no attacking n harrasment word. if you read for the thread careful, you can notice only 1.2 persons react abnormal blasting the page just for so call fact.

This post has been edited by Erictan1981: Apr 10 2021, 03:51 PM

Lets be fair. A masterplan will always be a masterplan. Look at how many successful and failed masterplans all around? Look at how many "delayed" masterplan? Anything can change in a masterplan so it might be gamble for ownstay or investments if the buyer is banking on the masterplan itself.

To buyers, SA, non-buyers etc, this is a place to discuss. Not to justify your points and force someone to accept it.

Can you back up your claim?? Any reputable sources to say there are building the so called "skybridge park" or "internal park" or landscapes??

It would be the first for me... to see a developer never include them into the project brochures or advertise them.... especially when it's a landscaping project that doesn't bring profit to them...

If it is just something your property agent told you... then forget it... don't bother replying me... I've had too many delusion replies from people thinking whatever third party agents says can be held accountable..

This post has been edited by holypredator: Apr 10 2021, 04:04 PM

Agreed!!

I am friends with one of LAs who is doing it.

And if you want more proof, go ask your SA to ask the developer themselves on your inquiry about who is doing the public landscape for CPD - that is your right as buyer to grill your SA about everything on this development. Or better yet, you go ask the developer reps at the sales gallery rather than agent

Anyway the skybridge structure already start laying down, that big metal beam - that is your proof also. Refer this video their fly through for promote Mossaz+Paxton still shows the Skypark bridge. If im not mistaken, this video is being played at sales gallery too.

I have no idea why the developer decided to not include into their marketing, maybe everything was fast paced and the rest of the plot not finalised when they decided to launch - i dont know. I do agree developer should have finalised first before even launching, if not - its like information bit by bit you get and its difficult for buyers.

I did my own indepth research of the masterplan of potentially what could be there and i suggest you do yours as well. I have found previous renderings of massing, and the things that were consistent in those images, was the D residentials, sky bridge and mosque. So you can bet on those to happen. The others i assume is TBC. But Im also aware lah, that cannot take these images seriously - so wait lah until they reveal confirmed masterplan. I have told my SA to inform ASAP when have more updated info.

Go ahead and do a simple Google search, even look into the youtube videos. Decide yourself to choose to believe and question back to SA & developer rep.




p.s. this was found in google search on CPD, i am not claiming these are true, but i suppose this is something you can bring to the developer rep to ask more on about.

Yes agree its a gamble.