Sure suit yourself. Whatever you say.

Based on me profiling you, I think I have just the best advice for you. To save you the possible pain and anxiety , only go for projects that are already built and VPed. Better yet, only go for those that have VPed for at least five years for good measure. And also, I strongly recommend that when you buy your next house or property, only go for a development where the project is the last component in the masterplan. Follow this advice and you'll have to be the most unlucky person in the world for you to get a lemon. 👍😂😉

Also make sure you do a site recce before trying to invoke "facts" and promote your "fact based standards"

Also practice what you preach, don't speculate. Don't say IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, because doing so does not state any fact, but at best deductive extrapolation.

Here's something for you. I'll teach you it should have been done. Just rephrase your statement, you should instead say something like this "...based on my past observations of a, b, c, and d, I think is it is highly improbable that it will ever happen....."

This sentence suits the "fact based, evidence only" persona that you are trying to project on yourself. ☮️

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 14 2021, 01:25 AM

I don't need your advice..

I trust what I see rather than to speculate or in a harsher way of putting it "imagining things to make myself feel good.. a.k.a Siok Sendiri"..

Touche. Apply that advice to you, don't imagine things before the fact, " IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" kononnya 😂😅😂

It's good advice my man, especially for you. Follow that advice, and you'll have little to no room to settle at speculation, guesswork, or developers short-changing you, because you'll have the whole masterplan committed, pre built, and physically in front of you to assess all you like. BEST PROJECT FOR YOU EVER!!! 😊🤗

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 14 2021, 01:52 AM

the developer isnt going to put down so much funds on the facilities and not actively market it.

even the skydeck and everything was heavily marketed before. Thats how i knew about it.

when2meets2boy sounds like an agent, just be upfront about it.



I think the masterplan is quite good. However I would be careful in buildings under construction at this point in time. Steel prices have been going through the roof. There might be construction issues.

eh this is inside their marketing plan leh. Its not just a pedestrian bridge, there is going to be highways connecting empire city and damansara central park. There are videos of this on youtube.

This is the youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjNxbYjduAU


this is not just heresay, if im not wrong it is presented by the developer themselves, the proposed link bridges connecting the highways and the 2 developments are all over the news.

At the very least... I think buyers should at least practice the following :

1) Use only information that have been officially conveyed by the developer or municipal or any other credible sources
2) Take proposal plan or master plan with a pinch of salt... meaning to say "don't count the chicken before they hatch" cause even if it is an official plan... plans can always change
3) Speculation and hearsay should not be taken into consideration ... at all... especially not from some forumer who let his imagination run wild... siok sendiri ... creating scenarios like the possibility of rock climbing...artificial waterfall... and all sort of wild ideas that the developer did not even propose...

Yeah and the structure is already up over the highway currently, if you pass by that area, you will notice it.

Some people prefer to see the actual built up and not just the development plan; well they can buy after everything is completed.

Empire City has potential to come up, even Ara Damansara was once filled with abandoned projects at a point of time. Same goes to Sentul East.

It seems at face value, it is a fair opinion (you think I am an agent), that is only true if you base it on just one topic (rock face) that I talked about,

That said, but it is also fair opinion for me to say that you have colored your opinion with your preconceived notions without actually being fastidious at reading my posts. In the full context. Just because someone talked about upsides to a project, you automatically assumed I am an agent. You are equally as guilty as Predator in this context, you prejudge before being "upfront about it"

Like I said, I don't sell properties. I buy them.

I have been clear in my posts, I discussed the rock face as an opportunity to be activated. I did not say it is definitely to be built.

Of course, anyone could be blindsided by information we are not aware of, we don't know what we don't know. How about the times I talked about the downsides of a project? Now then, do you automatically assume I am not an agent because I spoke of downsides

Well, I don't know what I don't know. Have the sky deck been heavily marketed before? I did not notice. But it's rather ironic isn't it? If it's has been heavily marketed before? Then it's ironic Predator (the fact based and evidence only prophet) did not notice it.

Well, what I do know about the sky deck, it is not on the EXSIM don't publish any progress updates, or post pictures of the actual construction. Nor is it in the newspapers or marketing material for all the current DCP phases. So, based on the same benchmark that Predator has set, it is highly "unlikely" it is a EXSIM authorised information, .....😂😅 Is that it? @Predator

Anyway, I mentioned the "possible" sky deck for two reasons. (1) had a quick Google map trip. (2) I am pointing out Predators's logical fallacies when he/she ridicules my discussion on the potential of the rock face as a "fantasy" but indulge in his/her own "fanciful extrapolation" that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The sky deck topic also served to show that Predator did not do a site recce, and is not the all-knowing and fastidious about facts "persona" that she/he claims to be.

As for my posts in the sky deck, I only discussed what I saw driving along LDP, what I saw documented in Google Maps last night and how these actual constructions correlated really well with the illustrations and marketing material relevant to the sky deck

But the other main premise to the sky deck topic also revolves around Predators's thesis that IT WILL NEVER BE BUILT if it does not serve commercial purpose for EXSIM to sell something. The SKY DECK is therefore an example that runs counter to this thesis

By all means of extrapolation, the sky deck will likely be much more expensive than any sort of simples structures that are the artist impressions circulated about the "park" at the rock face

So in this regards, what make you so sure that EXSIM wouldn't consider it as a potential marketing tool to be activated in the near or far future.

That said, I reiterate, I DID NOT SAY EXSIM WILL BUILD THE ROCK FACE PARK, I merely posited that it's a special opportunity that seems dumb for EXSIM not to use

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 14 2021, 11:39 AM

I've seen this video. It's the KL Property Channel not EXSIM, I don't know what I don't know, you don't know what you don't know. And we have to be careful, Predator don't like us making speculations. So by his/her standard, can we claim this as the "official" presentation by the developer? I ain't gonna say it, it could be to my peril (it's fairly likely Predator gets worked up on this assumption)

You can state so at your own peril 😂😂😂😂😂🎊

Puns aside, doesn't change the fact, the actual construction ongoing, and the patchwork of artists impressions and "unofficial" YouTube and presentations (not to forget your statement that this was heavily marketed by EXSIM, I could not independently verify your statement, but I'll include it), does gives us a strong indicator and probability that the sky deck is here.

And this upside, along with it the direct "PEDESTRIAN" access between DCP (especially DErica) and EC and it's Mall, it is some good news for DCP. At the same time if my deductions of the overramps (for cars) (in my previous posts labelled no. 1, 2, 3, 4) holds up, then it's more good news for the existing buyers for DCP. In that, DCP will have at least more than one road access out of DCP. And if there is an overamp for traffic between DCP and EC, then the claims of easy access to DASH will also likely come into fruition

Like I say, it ain't over until the fat lady sings. And I wish all the best to the DCP buyers, the more upsides that gets confirmed, the better it gets for them despite the obvious downsides of the project.

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 14 2021, 11:52 AM

Sounds like a storm in a teacup

or a taste of their own medicine 😂 we reap what we sow

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 14 2021, 08:13 PM

Yea right... it will be "smart" for Exsim to build that shit as an after thought...

Exsim shareholders will definitely appreciate such "smart" decision.... spending their money on something that doesn't generate profit but somehow as a surprise gift to their property buyers...

Seems that some people here still don't understand that the developers are for profit organisation.....

Also.. have you ever wonder who will manage your so called artificial waterfall park with rock climbing adventure land....

Tropicana metropark "urban park" if i'm not mistaken is public... hence it is managed by MBSJ... you could tell it is a massive downgrade from the artist impression cause the real thing looks like shit.... the water is murky and dirty... since it ain't private they installed a cheap ugly non-electrical "windmill" as a way to keep the stagnated water flowing.... cause you know... it will be maintained by the municipal and they ain't going to use public funds to maintain a so called public park that is within private compound...

your waterfall .. rock climbing adventure land... is not likely to be privately maintain since you know.... this doesn't exist.... let alone mentioned in the SPA of the people who have bought their properties there...

so it is either you are imagining the whole shebang will be maintained by the municipal (yeah right... they are going to use public funds to maintain a high end high class park like how it is depicted on the artist impression photos... for a "public" park but in a private compound which mostly benefits the people who bought the residential property there)

OR

are you imagining Exsim will not just build that elaborate park for free as an after sale gift to their existing property buyer.... but also maintain it for the rest of its existence....

Common sense.... maybe you might want to use it some time

This post has been edited by holypredator: Oct 14 2021, 09:46 PM

TOTALLY AGREE 👍🏹🏹📈 NO COMMERCIAL ENTITY WILL BUILD SOMETHING IF IT DOES NOT MAKE BUSINESS SENSE

Imagine... After rushing out 6 phases of residentials, the existing marketing propositions are running stale and old.... but now EXSIM need to build commericial phases. In the past, they could leverage Empire City Mall, Sky Deck... Etc. The marketing department needs something snazzy new to attract the imagination of prospective buyers. The shareholders are running impatient. Sales rates are dropping. Competitors are coming up with new shiny things. I wonder what else can the marketing department pull out from the hat to spruce up the value proposition for the new commercial phases....? Free park maybe? How about "Kuala Lumpur's one and only rock face park?"!!!!!!!!!!

Since we are dealing with the "hypothetical" let you imagination run wild 😂😂😂😂 IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN KONONNYA.

One have to wonder why SUNWAY have to spend so much additional money to spruce up SUNWAY X PARK SOUTH QUAY, after the fact that SUNWAY PYRAMID and SUNWAY LAGOON and their original master plan?, major attractions and ongoing success is just a stone throw away from the new Sunway Waterfront residential and commercial phases ? Why spend more than necessary?

OMIGOSH, Why is SUNWAY being so silly?!!!😂😂😂 Don't they know "the developers are for profit organisation..... "😂😂😂

Why do they "build that shit as an after thought... ", 😂😂😂 it's totally crazy, right?!!!😂😂😂

Why could the SUNWAY executives not wonder " who will manage your so called South quay X adventure park and that South quay lake waterfall park...."😂😂😂 "imagining the whole shebang will be maintained by the municipal (yeah right... they are going to use public funds to maintain a high end high class park like South quay......" 😂😂😂

BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, IT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BUT SOMEHOW SOUTH QUAY PARK exists after the fact that is the master plan, after so many years, why?

WHY even build loss making SUNWAY BRT😂😂😂. SUNWAY MUST BE CRAZY.... THE WORLD MUST BE CRAZY....

IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.... KONONNYA

Enjoy............ What fanciful extrapolation you have, Predator. What imaginative big claims (negative speculation) before the fact.

I have to wonder, how is your negative speculation any different from positive speculation? Isn't it speculation all the same?

It is never over until the fat lady sings.

I have opined the potential value of the rock face if properly activated. Whether EXSIM see potential to do so in the near future, or the far future,it is their business.

In my opinion, to future residents and prospectors of DCP, the rock face will not go away, its inherent potential will it go way. It only takes a spark of entrepreneurial brilliance and any investor will have ashot at business profits and commercial success.

That's the spirit behind how Genting made Genting Highland from a spot Pahang signed away cheaply to a Lim Goh Tong they deemed a fool. The same prospective optimism is also how Sunway too a piece of mining wasteland and made it Malaysia's and SEA's premier water ppark.

This rock face park.... Especially if it's that artist impression, the scope and scale is so small, it wouldn't cost more than spare change for EXSIM, compared to the sky deck, or Genting or Sunway Lagoon.

Buyers need only to focus on the tangibles when they make their purchasing decisions. This I agree.

But it doesn't mean they cannot be optimistic prospectively imagining better things for their investment.

Your overt indifference to outright hostile responses to anything positive about this project is very telling. Everyone only need to track and trace every one of your posts on this thread to see the pattern. I'll say it, something is amiss in your head with all your negativity towards this project.


This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 15 2021, 02:00 AM

Just when I thought I've seen everything.... well... at the very least I had a good laugh reading your post...

Are you seriously comparing a business owned theme/amusement park ... to your imaginative public water fall adventure park?? that is just amazing ...

I mean... at the very least.. if you were to argue that some theme park owner bought that plot of land and is going to develop it into some sort of theme park... I could at least say that is a fair point (not that there are any credible source saying that Exsim has sold that portion of land to some theme park company) but at least it doesn't sound as insane as you thinking your imaginative public adventure water park would exist because somehow some theme park exist @ sunway....

so let me guess... your next imagination is Exsim is also a theme park owner ... and they are building your imaginative park because they are planning to start a subsidiary and venture into theme park operation....??

Since your imagination could lead you to such ridiculous assumption... why stop at artificial waterfall ... rock climbing... just throw in go-kart... sports complex... cabana... and also a roller coaster... heck... just imagine all these are FOC to the public... even better right??

Also... you are seriously going to bring in SUNWAY BRT as a point of argument to why your imaginative fancy public park would exist?? First of all... SUNWAY BRT is not some joy ride FOC to the public (it is farking expensive just to ride a few stop)... just so you know... and second...do you seriously think SUNWAY BRT is somehow an afterthought project that was built for no reason?? no seriously... try to think harder why SUNWAY actually constructed the BRT.... what is the purpose of it... how it benefit their business...

at this point... I'm not sure if you are being serious anymore

This post has been edited by holypredator: Oct 15 2021, 02:32 AM

It was suppose to make us laugh silly 😂😂😂 can't fathom why you miss it , it's suppose to be rhetorical satire, which I wrote in an attempt to allow you to see and to realise your own (pathological) logical fallacies and reasoning bottlenecks

Like I said,
I have to wonder, how is your negative speculation any different from positive speculation? Isn't it speculation all the same?

That's said, for the umpteenth time, I really gotta say, your inability with reading and comprehension is insufferable

Or perhaps, I guess it is done purposefully, avoiding arguments that you can't reply. It could be a case of cherry picking what seems to work for your argument or ego driven denial

First, you missed the first point (or warped it to suit your way) Sunway Lagoon, Sunway Pyramid, Sunway Education, Sunway Hospital etc. Was part of the original master plan

Second you missed Sunway South Quay Lake, Sunway Lake, X PARK which came later and addition to the their master plan. This point you conveniently skipped (purposeful slip of mind perhaps, becaus eit doesn't work for your argument). It is meant to show you that your negative presumptions that a developer would not add attractions or facilities or value propositions after the fact (original master plan). All of which involves tons of sunk additional cost (after the original master plan) to activate and only then can these new value propositions can be used as a marketing tool to market further expansion of their development (business sense)

Third, you wholly skipped the other example that is Genting

And fourth BRT is after the fact that was Sunway's original plan. Does it make business sense (if profit taking is involved), nope, it's a loss making endeavour. So what is the business sense for putting additional money into the BRT? I ENCOURAGE YOU REFLECT ON YOUR OWN QUESTION. THINK HARDER WHY SUNWAY BUILD THE BRT? EVEN IT IS LOSS MAKING. WHY WOULD A PROPERTY DEVELOPER INDULGE IN SUNK COSTS TO BUILD A LOSS MAKING FACILITY AND PROJECT? 😂😂😂

Fifth, Sunway Lagoon is a money making park, so why can't a feature at the rock face not be a money making park? I can't fathom your logic here. Even a couple of simple cheap structures can be rented out as cafes. What's more if someone makes a rock climbing park.

Sixth, you skipped the entrepeunerial example that's is Genting Highlands. When a natural feature or location has potential opportunity, it just takes an idea, investment, and perserverance to activate it. In contrast to Genting, anything at the rock face would be way cheaper..even if EXSIM doesn't want to build it, they can invite others to build it. imagine Legoland or art centre at Sentul Park or Universal Studios at Genting (now defunct, fallout and switched to another vendor).

Like I said, a few posts before. You have something amiss in your brain apparent from your overt negative speculations of this project. Or you really have a timid, extremely risk adverse mindset😂😂😂. Hence, I had opined the best property for you is a 5 year, fully built up, VPed property that preferably is the last component of any masterplan.🤔😆👍

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 15 2021, 11:49 AM

Just to add the BRT project funding and cooperation between the council and SUNWAY is more complex than it is mentioned above, but the underlying point I am trying to make remains valid.

(1) it is a loss making endeavour (2) it is an endeavour after the fact (after the original Sunway master plan). (3) Sunway funded the project in part (sunken cost) after the original master plan is complete - but we must also take into account new phases added to a new master plan, that expanded from the original master plan, (4) Sunway is also maintaining BRT out of pocket in part and (5) the BRT is built by Sunway because there is also other factors that makes business sense (a point I am making), other than just the simple notion that a facility has to be profitable or not cost-adverse before a property developer will ever consider funding it (and I point out that this logical fallacy that has been repeatedly made by Predator).

I reiterate, the POV and hypothesis has nothing to do with EXSIM WILL BUILD "A PARK" AT THE ROCK FACE. And prospective buyers should not use this as a yardstick to make your purchase decision for DCP

IT IS CLEAR that the point of contention between PREDATORS'S POV and mine is that (1) Predator assumes/speculates IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN VS. I see potential in the natural rock face that can be activated if EXSIM or a third party choose to do so

And (2) Predator is accusing me of making speculations. Which I have clearly said I am making speculations that the natural rock face has value. My counter point is Predators is also making speculations that IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN

This has shifted never so slightly from the last point of contention which Predator (incorrectly) accuse me of making speculations in order to "sell" the project or mak make-belief by fantasising. I had also pointed out that Predator is wrong to accuse others of speculating when his/her own point of view is also speculative (IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN).



This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 15 2021, 12:41 PM

I form reasonable assumptions based on the given evidence... not imaginative scenarios like you..

Your entire argument holds zero substance when you don't realise the difference between your public imaginative waterfall adventure park against a business ran X Park...

The funniest part of all is you still think the Sunway BRT can be used as a justification for a possible public imaginative waterfall adventure park....

I'm surprised that after you've mentioned the entire Sunway master plan... you haven't realise what is TOD and how the entire Sunway city planning is not the same as some imaginative public waterfall adventure park...

Again... I dunno how many times I need to say this... I only look at facts and evidence...

Yes... there is a possibility that Exsim can sell the land off to someone who will build a private for-profit park... but the entire premise of our argument here is that you have been arguing the artist impression photos are by the developer.... it is not until I mentioned that it may sound less ridiculous if Exsim sold off to an external party to construct your dream park in my last post... you are still insisting that the developer will be building your dream park "eventually"...

Based on the current evidence and facts... I would say... your dream park ain't happening... it might happen when there are new deals or plans made by the developer but at this point of time... it ain't happening...

Again with the Sunway BRT...

TOD .. have you heard of TOD planning??

Sunway BRT may or may not be profitable to Sunway.... but the BRT is definitely not being built for no reason like your imaginative park...

Even if they cannot profit out of the BRT... the main purpose is inter-connectivity for Sunway City...

Still can't believe you think Sunway having a BRT system ... is the same as your imaginative public waterfall adventure park...

You still fail to see the logical fallacy in your arguments

Your premise is that any sort of feature at the rock face will never happen

And the Sunway BRT, Sunway South Quay, X PARK is clear scenarios that indicate the simple fact. When it makes business sense, any one will invest to activate the potential

Be it on the scale of TOD, town planning, master plan or even a Taman. You are setting up a slippery slope fallacy by saying that the DCP SCENARIO is incomparable

Genting did not sell off land to get a vendor to build a park inside Genting property. Genting is also pairing new investment/joint ventures into new facilities/attractions/value propositions with expansion and growth to its existing development

UNDERATAND THIS. THERE IS NO FACTS AND EVIDENCE in your argument. It is mere speculation based on extrapolation

The very fact you selectively reference Metropark while selectively reject Sunway is clear to see that you are dwelling in logical fallacies and confirmation bias

The fact EXSIM go into a JV with Mammoth empire to "save" Empire City Mall and "eat" DCP is already counter to the premise you are making - that EXSIM will only out in money for things they can sell.

Now, I posit you the rhetorical question to expose your err -

- Why put in money into Empire City Mall when they can't sell it?
- Why put in money into the Sky Deck Garden when they are not selling it?
- And hence why can't they get into a scenario where they either build the small "artist impression" (a few structures as an attraction, marketing tool, rent out income) or build something even fancier with JVs or vendors?

THINK THROUGH THESE LOGICAL FALLACIES

THERE IS NO FACTS AND EVIDENCE IN YOUR ARGUMENTS. IT IS SPECULATION AGAINST THE IDEA BASED ON PREMISES AND EXTRAPOLATION - Which I have duly deconstructed, elaborated and explained that it is just as it is - speculation that is a negative pov

I didn't say it is wrong. I only say it is not the only scenario

Hence IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN is just a speculative assesement.

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 15 2021, 01:00 PM

By the way, I have just run a quick check on the original BRT proposal documents and press releases on BRT.

BRT IS NOT A TOD nor has it been marketed as a TOD by Sunway at the time of its vision and construction

There is a few articles of proposals (3 years after construction) to Prasarana to reduce BRT fares by some developers (not Sunway) to try to make it some form of TOD, nothing after that

Don't make up imaginary facts
ARE YOU TRUMP WITH "ALT FACTS"¿ 😂😂😂

P.S. you are imagining things too - from the get go I have explored the idea that is the "artist impressions", as well as expanded on it to say it has potential to be made to an even more attractive proposition - like a rock climbing park by entrepeunerial individuals, EXSIM or partners - fact check my statements and go read all my post - DON'T TAKE CREDIT WHEN IT IS NOT DUE.

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 15 2021, 01:29 PM