You are going way off .... again... how does sunway city planning got to do with your imaginary public waterfall adventure park??

So now you want to argue that Exsim put money on Empire City Mall not because they believe they can make a profit from it.... damn.. you really do think Exsim is some kind of charitable organisation do you??

When you bring BRT in as an example to why your public waterfall adventure park is possible... I already know we will go no where with this argument..

I like how you go from arguing the possibility that your imaginative park will be built by the developer... and we have been arguing for pages and pages about this ... to suddenly possible third party or partners running the park right after I've pointed it out... at least you admit the flaws of your argument.... I guess the common sense kicks in yea>?? when you know that it is too silly to think the developer or municipal is going to maintain such elaborate park...

I think its better not to have sky high expectations on exsimms delivery of the project. Just a set up for disappointment.

Again, please be more fastidious, read my last comment carefully -- it has to do with the premise you used to justify your WILL NOT HAPPEN. It's pretty much elaborated there

Again, selective interpretation and deflecting ... what's even more worse is you peddle the falsehood that BRT is a TOD. It is not. Own up to that. You can't have alternative facts when it does not suit your worldview.

Like I said I had already elaborated what the BRT example is aimed at. Its only four post up. Any body can see that.

Dismissing valid points by shouting "its going no where.." is in actual fact another logical fallacy, its called false dichotomy. Worse, it escapism

You can be convincing if you stuck to addressing the points I made, Mr FACTS AND EVIDENCE . Saying "its going no where........" is empty and stinks of escapism

Escaping is not going make your point any better. Its cognitive dissonance.

Also your premise and speculation IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN is based on what in research we call McNamara's fallacy

This I can agree. It applies to all developers and developments. And businesses in general. It is all about up-marketing and bottom line

But that is besides the point. There's a reason property investors are called pundits. We assess based on existing value propositions and future opportunities.

Anyway, your statement = sky high expectations on exsimms delivery of the project. I hope this is a personal opinion, and not the I AM FACTS AND EVIDENCE sort of pronouncement that Predator makes.

Its a valid opinion. But if we have to be objective to the level of "FACTS AND EVIDENCE" (standard demanded by Predator), to put it simply, in research we sometimes see such generalisations as Simpson's paradox and false dichotomy

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 15 2021, 04:34 PM

As mentioned before... the current reliable information that we have does not indicate any solid plan or intention for that remaining piece of land...

Just being real honest here that your waterfall mountain climbing adventure park isn't going to happen based on what information we have about the developer's plan for that location...

So far... to sum up what had happened

1) The artist impression is not from official source or can be used as an indicative proposal plan...

2) You've not given any precedent examples that a developer would somehow use their own private land to build a non-profitable item as an afterthought gift (not as a attraction/marketing item to sell the other projects in that area) to the people who have purchased the properties in the area..

3) Your desperate attempt to bring in "sunway" master plan... the X Play theme park and sunway BRT ... to justify that developers don't always consider profit when they develop something is downright laughable...

This post has been edited by holypredator: Oct 15 2021, 04:50 PM

What a confusing and irrelevant conversation. Why dont u 2 use pm to sort it out.

You are pushing way too hard on your opinion to be an opinion... you are literally preaching your ideas here as if you are one of the sales agent here...

Having an opinion is one thing.... if the developer had already mentioned in their master plan then it makes sense to speculate... for example... tropicana metropark.... it make sense for the buyers to speculate who are the possible tenants of the mall cause the developer already said a mall will be part of the master plan.... EVENTHOUGH the current reality shows that even a proposed plan can be scrapped.... making whatever speculation seems irrelevant now... BUT at the very least... it was a valid discussion based on the information the buyers had back then...

Yours on the other hand... literally speculate something out of some artist impression photos that weren't even official or credible...

not just that... you start to fantasize about that area having artificial waterfall and all those adventure park thingy...


You said you are not a buyer when I asked... and you insist you are not a sales agent when someone think you are one based on your massive interest/"hard sell" like posts (to put it in a tactful manner)..

then I wonder why are you so hellbent on proving your fictional view here...

This post has been edited by holypredator: Oct 15 2021, 04:52 PM

Makes a more interesting read here. PM is no fun

Because you are bent at peddling your own version. Doing the forum a service by pointing out the err in your attacks and overbearing proclamations on anything that does not suit your negative agenda

Like I have clearly put it. If anyone follows each and every post you make on this thread, we can see a pattern, you are indifferent to outright hostile to anything positive about this project, but are quick to point out and glee at anything negative

I can understand the motivation to deter fanciful up-marketing by agents, but to syte on and belittle others that share a positive view is what warrants a public whack- a-mole

What I found is even more wanting. For a person who proclaims that you're mall about EVIDENCE and FACTS, you totally missed the sky deck and also all the other road connectivity being built. You also did not do a site recce.... Add this all up

I believe audiences and new visitors need to be brought to their attention of your pessimistic bias (to active discouragement of this project that's based on a motley of truths, half-truths, active sabotage and poor understanding of the project) - all these should be brought not the attention of unsuspecting audiences

It's so bad it's like you're the anti-salemen (a pun based on the moniker anti-Christ)

You are not FACT AND EVIDENCE based as you so proclaim

You don't need to keep repeating Metropark like a broken record. I've have already posited my POV that runs counter to this POV and showed plenty of valid points in more than one reply post, that your POV is one scenario but not the only scenario

And stop using the I'M ALL FACTS AND EVIDENCE, moniker-bullshit. I've shown in more than 20 exchanges between you and me, that you are far from deserving to this self proclamation

I have been upfront about my statements and opinions. I am an investor and investor are pundits. When you invest, you look at existing value proposition, risks, and also future opportunities and future risks.

On this thread, I share both favourable and unfavourable facts and opinions on this project. Unlike you, I am objective in presenting information, facts and speculations alike.

I invite all audience to subject every one of my post to this examination. And then do the same for Predators's posts. That is enough to reveal your hypocrisy and your negative even to the degree of hostile bias to this project.

I too see plenty of downsides Vs upsides for this project. Which is why I did invest as it does not fit my investment criteria and risk profile.

But at the same time,I also see that this project is flawed but well suited for prospective buyers of other risk profiles, temperament or needs

Similarly, agents do up marketing because it is their role to sell. Point out their up-marketing all you wish. I'm pretty agreeable to that, esp if these agents peddle falsehoods

But what is your role? Master naysayer? I too am agreeable with that, because there needs to be a devil's advocate

But to make bold proclamations of EVIDENCE AND FACTS but not practice what you preach, you come across to me as just as bad as overpromising salesmen. You actively throws whatever mud you can find to detract the project, to what purpose or agenda I suppose? (This is my opinion, but I invite all audiences to look at every one of Predators's posts, and formulate your own opinion on Predator).

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 15 2021, 06:07 PM

i cant imagine anyone who is willing to read ur diarrhea.

maybe try making it more entertaining and relevant. ur not doing it right.

the first thing u need to do. is to make sure u are actually right.

the second thing u need to make sure, is that the person u are arguing is wrong.


as the argument progresses, make ur point clear and ppl are going to start realizing that.

1) I am right
2) the person arguing with me is wrong
3) once this position is clear, start insulting the idiot who is arguing with u


Like so,

ur wall of text is like the sound of an empty tin can banging.

It is the tale of an idiot, told with sound and fury, signifying nothing.

You are only but one of two hell bent to derailing the optimism for this project. I guess it's natural for you to have this opinion. But future audiences get the benefit of seeing through your veil or hate of this project

i have a positive impression of the project btw.

If it doesnt get abandoned, as it is very ambitious. There is an oversupply problem.

However, empire city taking off and all the facilities nearby, i suspect this will become a successful masterplan over time. Somewhere in between there will be some oversupply.

Its just that u r annoying.

You still don't get the point

Again what you mentioned above is what we call in research and risk assessment false dichotomy. It's a logical fallacy. And you're guilty of it
Please be more fastidious and evaluate the points and address them if you have an opinion

To wave it all off with a lazy opinion, that is also a false dichotomy, is telling of your level.

To make it simple for you. It's an exchange of POVs. And the outcome is that I reveal the logical fallacy that there's only my way or the highway (false or true - this is false dichotomy)

Understand that ☝️

u r clearly an idiot

I totally agree with the oversupply. This is the primary reason I won't invest. Doesn't make sense. But this alone does not make it a project that everyone should avoid like a virus

So says the person that can only come up with infantile one liners with zero elaboration

The more you open your mouth the more you embarrass yourself. Try harder please. You're an adult, not a three year old