You clearly are sub par when it comes to comprehension. Or is it because your warped logic and ego has clouded your mind

Read my posts again.

The park (or in the case, I mention it as artist impression or rock face) is relevant to my opinions of the instrinsic untapped marketing value of this unique topology that EXSIM can choose to or not choose to activate. I merely see the potential. I don't make claims.

As for the sky deck, it has been used as an analogy to point out the err in your thoughtprocess and also your lack thereof of objectivity/or due diligence despite claiming to be all facts, figures and evidence based

It's clear to all you have not visited the site, at least the a period of 1.5 years. The construction of the sky deck have been ongoing for at least 1.5 years. I don't think you should even be taken seriously on this point alone. So much for facts, figures and evidence based

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Doesn't matter if you respond or not. My points are made clear for all to see. And so too are your lack of attention to the development that's happening. 1.5 years of the sky deck being constructed in the flesh, and you don't see it. So much for your assesments and bold claims

You know what, all this talk about no evidence of the sky deck. Just a cursory search in Google Earth would already have shown you the exact documentation and actual pics of the earliest structures of this sky deck being built almost 1.5 years ago.

It's now fully covered and still being constructed, you can experienced it yourself if you happen to travel south or north bound, it is a couple of short km from the Penchala LDP toll .

At this construction is smack exactly at where the sky deck should be according to the "unofficial" " unauthorized" "artist impression" renditions of the sky deck in the public domains

Some might say it is "hence not fact (according to some)" because there's no EXSIM logo, but it's all there in the metal, both in scale and size and actual construction

Do a site recce if you wish to consider this development.

Naysayers and agents alike can't be trusted 100%, even my opinions should be looked upon with your own analysis. Even if you're at home in front of a computer due to the pandemic, as I have already shown you a couple of times in this thread, that you still can form your own analysis, Google can be your tool. So are the news like the Edge which focuses on the business profiles and developments of these developers.

There is always pros and cons to a development, but there is also always a development that fits your needs and requirements. Who doesn't want to stay at multimillion sought after locales with seemingly littlr to no cons, and tons of upsides. But can everybody afford such dreams or excesses?

There are a lot of downsides to this development. I too would not shortlist this development as it is now. But at the same time there is also plenty of opportunity too to be had. It all depends on your portfolio, your capability and your risk considerations. It also depends on how you move the collective voice to force the hand of the developer or the town planning authorities.

Do a site recce. Form your own opinions.

And when you see extremes in opinions, positive or negative, treat it like a red flag, it's likely just a overbearing keyboard warrior trying to peddle an agenda or someone stuck in their own rut of their own bad experience, and trying to make it toxic for others too

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I attacked you and accused you?? That is rich....please quote me... or is this another imagination of yours to play victim here??

Unlike you... personal attacks after personal attacks.... and now trying to insult other's intelligence just because you got offended when I ask you to provide "evidence" on whatever you have claimed to be true..



Again... there is ZERO correlation between the sky bridge and the park... and yet you still can't provide any sort of evidence like construction board or news article or developer's announcement on this so called sky bridge...

I want to reiterate this.... the sky bridge and the park has ZERO correlation... if anything the sky bridge might make more sense since there are commercial links between the 2 location while the fancy park that you are imagining has no commercial value to the developer...

Also... please stop trying to show off your vocabulary when you yourself have no idea what the words mean... it is difficult to understand you when you are using idioms that are non-existence... what is "before you open your mouth and shoot your guns"?? Just convey in simple English... it may help get your message across better..

Your skybridge park or sky deck park is just a pedestrian bridge.... we all know that it already exist ... it's in the edgeproperty news when Exism took over the project from mammoth... they already said they will link the 2 damansara perdana land... it is not something special....

So your entire argument from the beginning on your so called "Skybridge Park" or "sky deck park"... has always been a pedestrian bridge ... which have been in the news.... but you made it sound like they are building some hidden special "skybridge park" or "sky deck park" that no one knows...



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You didn't attack me? search your own posts . Use the term "property agent" and then the term "just because you are a buyer" and then the phrase "Letting your imagination run wild yea??" It's obvious you're trying to sow doubt by making a me strawman of your favorite punch bags

I already pointed you to the correlation. You made a strong claim "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN" based on a motley of presumptions that can be summed up as "a developer will not build something they cannot ..." I posited that EXSIM building the sky deck (that they cannot sell) is the obvious counter to this presumption

Moreover, you often make a second presumption that any artist impressions without the developer's "stamp" is not to be believed. Again this presumption falls apart in the context of the sky deck. Its not on any material with EXSIM's "stamp" on it

I am no problems with you making presumptions, but to make snarky comments and color and belittle other's presumptions/speculations and then go around being holier that thou making equally presumptuous claims "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN" that's hypocrisy, better learn to admit that

Same hypocrisy when you make bold claims (ostensibly based on facts and evidence) when clearly you have not even visited the site. Can be extrapolated by your total ignorance to the fact that the sky deck is being built.

It is well within my rights to communicate in my own way. It is obnoxious of you to try to make another strawmen attack (trying to paint me as elitist perhaps?). I think my use of vocabulary is within the bounds of being reasonable. If you can't fathom some of my vocabulary, there is always Google translate.

Yes, visit the site and gauge the scale, size and spec. Pedestrian bridge kononnya. Another keyboard loud mouth who have never visited the site. It is listed in MBPJ as a jejantas, because law requires an overpass for pedestrians to be listed at such. Visit the site, and you will see the scale. Better yet, visit Google Earth and take a trip. You will notice that at the same time, this sky deck is shouldered by two very obvious car flyovers being built. It is already clear from dated Google Earth footage from 1.5 years ago. If you're really into real facts, visit the site tomorrow, its even more apparent its the sky deck/sky garden shouldered by structures build for heavy cars.

I've since taken a trip around the site on Google Earth, since I feel there is a need to "flog a dead horse" that keeps missing the point

Anyway, something interesting I noted. The first picture shows the existing road access that I have labelled No. 2. An existing access that runs underneath LDP connecting Bukit Lanjan/Empire City area to the DCP site/area

What's more surprising is there is an existing bus route running on both sides of the LDP

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Pedestrian crossing kononnya...... See for yourself the actual old footage of this pedestrian bridge from 1.5 years ago. And I encourage interested persons to follow up with a site recce visit tomorrow (its even more extensive now). Judge for yourself. We don't need to listen to nonsense coming from recalcitrants

It is just like the passage in little red riding hood goes "Oh grandma, look how big those concrete buttresses are..." "Oh grandma, look how strong those steel foundations are specced" "Oh grandma, look how wide the concrete buttresses are laid along the LDP on both sides"

Wow just wow, pray tell Grandma, what are these things? It must be for thousands of pedestrians at once , it must be.....


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Another rather interesting observation on Google Earth. Especially if you align and overlay these actual existing structures under construction with the "unbranded", "unauthorised" , "artist impressions" found in the public domain illustrating the sky deck and sky garden

Shown in bright green solid lines are the huge concrete buttresses lining each side if the LDP (shown in the actual pictures of my last comment). In the previous comment, you will also see that the huge concrete buttresses are used to support a thick network of steel columns

The dotted green line are areas on the DCP side that have yet to have buttresses. But this is old Google maps footage. Drive along LDP today and you will find half or a quarter of the dotted lines have new concrete buttresses being constructed

Yes, it's true, there's no news from EXSIM or MAMMOTH on what the hell is this, apart from a sign indicating its a jejantas. EXSIM and the news aren't confirming anything since that jejantas report in Edge.

If you overlay the artist impression and road alignments on top of the Google map exaiting structures, there can be little doubt it's the sky deck/sky garden due to the size, scale, dimensions and spec. But don't quote me, IB]I have "no proof", "no official EXSIM statement" to back up my hypothesis[/B]. I could very well be wrong.... Maybe Elon Musk is building a space X platform over LDP, that must be it 😂

The pink lines, the one on the right the actual construction is almost complete, its a overpass flyover from the Empire City side to the DCP side (as shown in the old Google Maps footage). This route also links to DASH on the extreme southern end of Empire city

I am more speculative of the pink line on the left of the illustration (labelled as No. 2 in my other doodle). The built size, spec and alignment of the existing structures matches exactly the no. 2 shown in at least three versions of the sky deck artist impressions I have found in the public domain. The only part missing is the ramp over LDP to the DCP. ....... imagine and speculate to your peril ....... some people on this thread can't take such imaginations, extrapolations and deductions

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More "unbranded" "unauthorised" "undeclared" "artist impressions". Let's "be clear", we're making presumptions by matching artist impression to actual real construction work on site.

By golly, don't "take me seriously" this could well be an overamp build to carry pedestrians that weigh tons.....

Again marked in green are old google maps footage showing the huge concrete buttresses that we "hypothesise" is the sky deck /sky garden / pedestrian crossing due to how it overlays almost perfectly to the artist impressions. But don't quote me😂, EXSIM doesn claim this, so if you take me seriously, some commentators here will get pissed infuriated .😅

Visit on site tomorrow and you will find the construction now is even more extensive. Both sides of the concrete buttresses have now been covered with a thick network scaffold of steel. This "pedestrian crossing" currently cover over the LDP, spanning at least 2 football fields in width, likely more.

Marked in pink, is what I "hypothesise 😂", as the road access no. 3 connecting DCP side, across LDP, to the Empire City side. Why I "speculate/hypothesise/deduce" so? This alignment can be easily correlated and overlaid to the approximate "imaginary" location of the roundabout road on the sky deck shown in at least three versions of "unauthorised" "un-EXSIM" "artist impressions" found in the public domain.

Again I caution, take me seriously to your peril, there are people here that don't like us being deductive and optimistic, without "EVIDENCE that they agree with" .

Then again, this no.3 could also just be a simple off ramp from LDP direct into DCP, if EXSIM choose not to build the roundabout road illustrated in the sky deck. Naysayers can embrace this line of speculation. I'm sure these persona love this interpretation more than a sky deck that can cater for cars access

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I was asking whether you are a buyer or a property agent... that is an attack?? Letting your imagination run wild is an attack??



what are you saying man... could you just use simple english?? If you do not know how to use idioms don't use... it is fine if you want to be posh and show off your vocabulary but at the very least... get it right or else no one will know what are you trying to say

The pedestrian bridge or some sort of link between ECD and ECD2 has always been in the news when Exism decides to pick up...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/news...mes-empire-city
https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1546174/mam...-city-damansara

heck... it is also stated on Exism own site



https://www.dcosmos.com.my/

They've never hid the fact that there will be enhancement made to the connectivity between the areas.... that was also one of their main selling point!!! the network of connection between the areas...

How does all these relates to your so called "waterfall adventure park with rock climbing" right in the middle of the previously named "ECD2" land... where the developer did not even claim that they are going to have it in the first place??

Also.. it's not about building something that doesn't make money... as mentioned before... it ties in with the product they sell... for example.. tropicana metropark and the ramp bridge... it was mentioned that they are going to build it... something for buyer's to consider.....

It would be absolutely weird if AFTER tropicana have completely sold out all their projects... then suddenly say ... how about we build a ramp bridge... because it will help ease the residence life???

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GO read your own posts dude. The context is clear. There is no other implied meaning other than to paint me as a buyer or a agent that is "making make belief" to "sell falsehoods"

Letting your imagination run wild is an attack?? Of course it is, its an attempt to belittle, especially when read together with the full text of your comment. If you still don't get it, I'll hazard an elaboration, IMO it is a comment that is implied to get persons to contrast my "fanciful imaginations" to your "-supposedly- rock solid evidence based 'IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN' claim" .... It is nothing short of an infantile attempt at solicitating brownie points and popular support. But alas, it missed the point. The intention of my comments was to point out the potential opportunity of the rock wall. In your own warped logic, you lumped me together with "agents - selling falsehoods"

Read my posts, I am discussing possibilities with thread audiences, unlike you, which I will onforth call the the 'IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" hypocritical prophet.

Yes, very rich, can't respond to intellectual challenges, deflect by attacking my language and "idioms". Nice try, this is not Trump America you know. Infantile attempt at debate

Try to convince a logical observer that the structures I just showed are "pedestrian". A sky deck can be classified as pedestrian too, I would opine that its a creative way to exploit legal loopholes for town planning approval.

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Google Strawman

A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

Try to deduce why I call you out for trying to make a strawman argument...

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Punching bag - The Free Dictionaryhttps://www.thefreedictionary.com › punching+bag
2. A target of frequent criticism or abuse: "He ... became a punching bag for every comic's fat jokes" (Vanity Fair) ...

Again... readers would be more interested in facts... not speculation.... to me... if there is no credible source to show it will happen.... then it is not going to happen.... period...

intellectual challenges... ok... sure ... "very intellectual" you are.... communication is all about being able to send the message across... not sure what kind of "intellectual challenge" you are expecting... when you can't communicate well and starts turning nouns into verbs .. like mantra-ing... just say preaching cannot?? want to invent your own word and expect people to guess what you are trying to say?? Also.. most expressions or idioms that you have used don't make sense... and I'm not talking about you using it wrongly or out of context but you are literally making up phrases expecting people to know what you are trying to say...





I've never heard of either of the phrases or expressions before... maybe you are just making up words to hide the fact that you cannot show a single proof that the developer has planned or committed to building your waterfall wall climbing park apart from some artist impressions photo which as I have mentioned... wasn't official or used by the developers...

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Like I said resorting to semantics in your retort? It's infantile. It's what we did call a red herring fallacy. Diversions doesn't work. I've already pointed out your hypocrisy. That enough is clear for all to see

And get your warped logic straight. I am and has been very clear with my comments and opinions on the rock wall and the parks, waterfalls, climbing attraction. I have never once claimed it will be built, I only pointed it out as an opportunity that the developer can activate. If they choose too. I've already mentioned this thrice, go and read my comments word for word.

Do not project your personal bias or comprehension inadequacies or fallacies onto the my comments on the rock wall.

I did not claim it is official. Nor did I say Exsim will build it. It's all in your mind. Get that straight

The very fact you attempted to "paint" me, first, as a agent, and then as a "aloof" buyer, all as an attempt to substantiate your arguments, is telling.

I can tell you straight that these incorrect interpretation of my comments and logical fallacies is all in your mind and very clear for all to see. You're making incorrect projections of perceived notions onto my comments.

I feel it's likely because of your internal "dislike" of this development. I won't speculate further, but your overt angst and negativity are clear as day.

Phrases and expressions? Make uup phrases?????

Again do not project your own inadequacies onto my abilities.

Go do a simple Google research on Wikipedia or better yet, Merriam Webster or Oxford Dictionary.

Practice what you preach. Look up on the actual meanings of "logical fallacies" and idiomatic terms like punching bags and straw man, stop and study before you open your mouth and make a further fool of yourself with those infantile retorts......make up phrases..... By golly....

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You tell me.... since you are making up phrases that doesn't mean anything...

You did not claim they are official and you did not say Exsim will build it... OK.... but the problem is... you are trying real hard to convince me your imagination is real... when I say I only believe facts or official statements...otherwise we won't be having this conversation....

Your recalcitrance and incompetence is insufferable. If you're too lazy to do a simple search to find out what the phrases mean, then just say you don't care. Repeating the same "making up phrases" retort only reflects badly on you. Stop embarrassing yourself. Follow what you preach, I'll point you to a key word. Google "logical fallacies". I can assure you whatever you read on logical fallacies will benefit you.

At the same time, I repeat once again, do not project your own insecurity, your own distaste of this project, and your own preconceived notions on me and my comments.

I am not trying to convince anyone. Nor am I here to "sell" this project. There is not enough points in this project to convince me to invest or buy to stay.

I only entertain responding to you because I am trying to point out your err and at the same time to correct your incorrect notions of what I have been doing - a discussion of some aspect of the project. It is unwarranted that you paint my discussions with your venomous preconceptions that taints and color what I have been doing with my comments

Unlike you, I do not set out to convince anyone, nor do I want to be overbearing in my opinions on others. I am merely stating my observations, deductions and an opinion, that, there the potential pitfalls and also potential opportunities to be had with this project

If you track actually my comments on this thread. You will find that I am one of the few who brought forth an pro and cons analysis of the topology of the site, I also posited an analysis that D'Erica has more upsides than the other phases. I am also the one who bring in the info if the MBPJ town planning (4th amendment) and its potential impact. I am among the first who found out and shared info on the temple in front of D'Erica. I also commented on the downsides that is Flora Damansara and the mosque.

I also mentioned legacy follies and bad rep linked to Mammoth Empire's incompetence with Empire City, and the substandard wreak that is Empire City. I am just as happy to share positive info about the recent cash infusion for Empire City Mall...that might go on to salvage Empire City Mall and all the owners who have invested in that project.

This is what I would consider productive discussions and information sharing.

You claim to be all evidence based and fact basedin all your comments, but I find that you gleefully repeat and highlight any downsides of this project, but when challenged with positives on the project, your go to reactions does not jive with your self annointed claims that you are fact based and unbiased. - this part, it is my observation and conclusion based in all your responses and retorts

That's probably also the motivating reason I entertain your retorts and responses. I want to point you to your err and your veil. And hope you reflect on that. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do not need your, or anyone elses' acknowledgement or approval of what I bring forth to the table for discussion. Buyer and pundits can make up their own minds.

let's just agree to leave your communication skills out of the conversation moving forward... I can try to read between the lines if it makes you happy..

You can give your opinion... your imagination... and you can just speculate all you want... but for me... I'm all about the hard truth...

I would disprove people who speculate... but if you are trying hard to convince others on your imagination then that is on you

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