Is it only me seeing this, but I believe the "artist impression" forested park at the rock face is the area circled in electric blue?

Possible, since the PJ draft plan that is not DCP is occupying the areas on the heights above the rock face.

In fact some of the demarcation of DCP area in the public domain does indicated that DCP might include a small strip to the cliff edge of the said rock face.

Since the plot of land at the rock face aren't suitable for building residential or offices, if EXSIM is creative enough and smart about it, they should make the rock face an attraction.

Hopefully the artist impressions can become a reality.

and they want to do that because???

everyone seems to forget that developers are for profit organisations...

Everything they do.. every landscape they create... they don't do it for nothing...


Most projects with massive landscaping are being built as part of the selling/marketing point to the other properties that they are selling...

for example tropicana metropark landscape are built as part of the attraction to sell the surrounding properties that they are developing... they will heavily promote their lake park and landscape to attract buyers for the properties that they are selling...

or Sunway Serena... the man made lake is one of the main attraction point that the developer create to market the residential blocks that they are building within that area... it is not an afterthought idea where they have sold the units only then they create the lake.... it is created solely to ensure they could attract buyers to buy their residential properties in that location..

Exism clearly have no plans to do any sort of landscaping or "attraction" from the beginning .... as of to date they still have not announce anything about any landscaping yet despite already at mid stage selling all the residential properties that they have planned...

No developer is that dumb to sell off all units ... and then last minute build something that does not generate profit...


Also... as many have pointed out... the so called artist impression... doesn't look like it comes from the developers...

the quality of the sketches doesn't seem to match the other artist impression photos that the developer has shown...

the developer has not use any of the so called artist impression during their marketing campaign ...

the artist impression has the developer brand name on it which as others have mentioned... developers do not show their brand logo on any artist impression photos due to legal issue... it is likely this was being done by 3rd party agents in a desperate move to push sales...


and finally... these so called artist impression photos that some agents here claim they have early access to... are still not recognised by the developer themselves after 6 months....

This post has been edited by holypredator: Oct 11 2021, 02:48 AM

I see

Anyways, a shot in stimpak for Empire City Mall https://www.edgeprop.my/content/1900326/emp...l-says-rubberex

Cash rich from windfall but don't know where to spend. As a result Empire City Mall gets some cash infusion

Time will tell. Developer's will out in the money if it makes business sense. Just like how EXSIM is willing to fund the expensive 'overpass'
sky deck park.

In the same vein, like you said, the sky deck doesn't get income from selling it directly to property buyers, but they invested in it because it makes business sense, as a marketing tool/gimmick to sell the first 5 residential phases. Hence it's money that had to be spent.

So it is my opinion that the "rock face" will happen, just as it might not happen. It just depends on the chance opportunity and marketing need for EXSIM. Based on the "artist impressions", it doesn't seem to be an expensive build, compared to for example, to making the sky deck or a road ramp for road access

From the artist impressions and and the blue circled structures in the plan, it seems to only involve a few small structures for humans and a few small hanging platforms. As for the water falls, it just having pumps. Even Seresta have an artificial waterfall in that development

It all depends if the investment by Exsim is worth the marketing gimmick. I would think it is extremely stupid for EXSIM not to create an attraction out if the rock face, where else in KL/PJ would you have this? Nearest similar attractions would be Perak.

Remember Malaysia's perpetual fancy for hanging restaurants at higher elevations? There is not much left in Klang Valley after the closure of the Ampang Look Out Point. Could be an attraction, if not by EXSIM, could be rented out. Do you know how much is the rental for Ampang Look Out Point before it ceased operations due to ownership change?

An entrepeunerial mind can even make this an adventure park for rock climbing.

It's amazing how some people could not just count the chickens but also imagine the quality of the chickens they are getting without even seeing the eggs... and I thought people who count the chickens before they hatch are silly...

Did you bought a property from this project or are you a property agent of this project?? You sure do able to hype a property up without any substance...

My perspective and how I analyse a property is based on facts and information presented either by the developer or by the municipal... you don't have to convince me with all the "possibilities" or how it makes sense to you... I just want real evidence like a statement from the developer themselves....

This post has been edited by holypredator: Oct 12 2021, 12:19 AM

I mean your assesement is another form of confirmation bias isn't it?
Like I said, in the same vein if apply your same style analysis/ssesement/chicken counting to the sky deck, sky deck wouldn't happen right? It's also not in the official page or brochures when Damansara central park was launched years ago?

Time will tell, I have already stated in my opinions that it might or might not be built, I am not claiming it will be built, but you're insisting it won't be built. I am ok with your pessimism but I don't appreciate you being snarky and then go on to make overt attempts at accusations and character assassinations just because other people's opinions doesn't fit your world view.

That's what we call confirmation bias in psychology. I am not sure what's your deal man? It really makes me wonder whete all that vitriol and angst is coming from. Not that I am even rejecting or opining your "hypothetical assessments", I am only positing my hypothesis.

I am not a purchaser of this property but I am watching this property because it is in the vicinity of my home and investments, so I watch to see if it competes or compliments my investments,

At the same time, I can emphatize with the purchasers who wishes to be optimistic as it is their hard earned money they've put into it. Who knows, every little motivation counts. I have posited that the rock face will be a misopportunity if the developers don't milk that features unique to the area. So who knows if the butterfly effect comes into effect and some decision maker commits to activate it.

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 12 2021, 11:28 AM

How is my assessment a form of confirmation bias when my assessment is based solely on facts and official information available??

Instead... I could say you are the one who is showing confirmation bias because you are picking and choosing information... particularly unofficial information that favours your narrative...

Also... what official documents can you show me that the so called "sky deck" is being built?? Again... I only trust official information... if it is not official.... it is not happening...

You could say I am pessimistic if I am speculating on the possibility that the developer may not follow through the things that they have proposed or planned... however... you can't say that I am pessimistic when the developer them self did not propose... let alone commit that something

For example... if I go around and say the proposed shopping mall for tropicana metropark is not going to be built because there were speculation that the developer had dropped the idea then yes... you could say I am pessimistic if the developer did no officially announce they have changed their master plan...

Buying a property is all about being well informed... not based on hearsay...

This post has been edited by holypredator: Oct 12 2021, 08:34 PM

For a persona who touts and sells on his/her own "prowess" in facts and official information, it's rather funny that you've missed the sky deck. I don't need to show information, all you need is to travel along LDP and you'll see the sky deck being constructed in the flesh/metal.

Much more when you don't even bother to read my posts and statements, I am positing a hypothesis that there are indicators that the artist impressions on the rock wall MIGHT happen. I do not claim or insist that it WILL happen. At the same time, I am also positing that EXSIM would have been missing an opportunity to make the rock face a unique attraction. I am NOT CLAIMING THAT EXSIM IS BUILDING THAT ATTRACTION. The distinction is vey clear once anyone has read my short posts. It doesn't take more than a few minutes to read through my posts and find out this fact of statement. SO MUCH FOR YOUR BIG CLAIM OF ASSESSING INFORMATION, you don't even spend the time to read simple posts.

I really have to question your motivations here. What is confirmation bias, you ask. IT IS APPARENT when you repeat claim that "IT IS NOT HAPPENING". To state as such is making a solid claim, and not opinion. And pray tell what this claim is based on what? Facts? information? or is it merely your own deductions?

Objectively, it is at best deductions. Just as I am making deductions to posit my hypothesis.

That much I can agree, that nothing is set in stone until the fat lady sings, and too I have based my posts on such deductions, not claims. Let's be clear here, I DID NOT CLAIM IT WILL BE BUILT. Nor did I encourage for or against buying or investing in this property based on this premise. Please get you head around this fact.

In contrast, you have come across as "vehemently" in your total rejection of anything that could be positive and selectively mantra-ing everything negative that can be said of this development. That is bias, selective bias at that. For this observation alone, I have questions on your motivations

Don't forget, I am the original poster that brought forth information on the MBPJ Town Planning Report and brought it to the attention of this forum.

Like I said, your statements are not FACT (based on your own metric of gauging fact to fiction), your statements on the "artist impressions" are based on making deductions. Hence it is a tall order to make a claim that "IT WILL NOT HAPPEN", especially when you go around to saying that you are all EVIDENCE AND FACTS.

when2meets, bro. If you read the whole thread. This holypredator seem like very aggressive give bad comment based on it own personnal perception. Come on, majority buyer bought because of location n they feel is good choice for investment and own stay. There are plenty job opportunities near pj area. Why many developer invest project at PJ area coz of high demand.

https://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/889885

Why ruberex boss still interest invest @Empire Damanasara mall although people said is might be next failure mall?
What high density, jam i dun care unless you like to live at jungle or outskirt area. What.artist impression,sky desk is just plus point. Personnelly i like live at PJ because mature township. It convinience because of strategy locatiion. i feel funny when read all his negative comment.

This post has been edited by Erictan1981: Oct 13 2021, 08:58 AM

Again... I cannot stress this enough... I only trust official sources... I think I've said this one too many time... but it seems that you cannot accept the fact that I cannot accept whatever imaginative view that you have proposed and start attacking me personally and questioning my "motives"...

Regarding your so called "sky deck"... I have not been to the location nor I have not seen any official information regarding such construction... if someone could share an official document saying that there is a construction for a sky deck then it would certainly help the buyers to understand what's going on... for example ... project sign/construction board.... just because you see a pillar or two... doesn't mean you could just jump into conclusion that it will be a sky deck... for all we know it could just be a fly over being built by the municipal...

I don't know how many times I need to repeat this but buyers need to rely on facts not speculation... hence it is beneficial for buyers to know more about the facts rather than hearsay

I've always presented both positive and negative views in the property talk section... but 1 thing that I've never done or will do is to speculate like how you did...

Also... stop using words that you don't understand the meaning to.... what do you mean by "selectively mantra-ing"?? Are you trying to saying I am preaching?? Mantra is a noun not a verb...

This post has been edited by holypredator: Oct 13 2021, 10:14 AM

I've always talked about both the positives and negatives in every property thread that I have visited...

The only difference between this project/thread compared to the others is that people here or should I say investors here are at the point of being delusional...

The forumers are always invested to prove me wrong whenever I said something negative about the project... which is good... I get to see things from a different angel...

For example... when I mention that there are too many religious building surrounding this project... some replied that it does not affect them because they could install soundproof windows or they think it would somehow make the place safer.... I accepted all POV...

What I cannot accept is when people start preaching non existence idea... like what you and when2meets2boy are doing.... especially you cause you have been a very staunch supporter of this project since you've bought a unit..

RIGHT.... All that "I am based in evidence"...and then you go on to claim "it is not happening". Well, so much for evidence based statements and facts. If you can't see through your own hypocrisy, nothing will convinces you

Unlike you, like I have already clearly put in my posts, I am discussing about "potential", "hypothesis". Not hearsay or claims or statements

And yes you only know what you know, so much for waving through and disregarding the fact that is the sky deck being contructed when it does not serve your narrative.. DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND STOP PREACHING.

It is alright to bring up pros and cons of any particular project, just that it is right for prospective buyers and existing buyers to speculate the potential of a particular project. But is not right to be hypocritical and claim "I am evidence based, wave off evidence preach speculative doom (i.e. it is not happening) and then go on sitting on the high horse and wallowing in hypocrisy

Yes this is when you start projecting delusional projections on people who does not fit your world view, first claiming I am an agent and now claiming I am a buyer. Trying to build a strawmen argument here are you?

I am none of the above. I weigh the pros and cons and I discuss about potential. Unlike you, hypocritically negative about this project by only highlighting negatives and peep squeak when positives stares back at you (examples of the hypocrisy? Others say: double glazed windows, you: no comment. Other say: Look, it doesn't make sense to invest in the sky deck as it not profitable. you: really, there is a sky deck, show me the evidence. Others: Oh, I thought you know it all?)

We are here to discuss the project, be it things that has been commited to paper, or things that seems to be true but it's speculative, or potential pitfalls of the project or potential opportunities for the project

You overwhelmingly apparent naysaying of this project only reflects your inherent bias. Your feeble attempts at sowing doubt in my optimism by painting me as an agent or a buyer makes it doubly apparent of some agenda

By the way, I couldn't find any plans set in paper from the town planning dept on the road access, but based on EXSIM's own artist impressions, a few master plan sketches in the public domain (not by EXSIM) and DASH's drawings, it looks like there is likely a plan or a potential for building a road access using the sky deck portion currently being built. Could be a potential solution for the road access choke points.

This assessment is based on alignment of the two major roads between the Phases in the DCP, and a road access linked to DASH that runs around the backsude perimeter of Empire City and linking up to DCP via the sky deck. So there is a potential solution to the single access via LDP or Damansara Perdana, it's only a matter of when or how it could make marketing/business sense for EXSIM

Perhaps that's is the main reason why they build the sky deck now. First to link up Empire City to DCP and then perhaps to make roads access that runs along the Sky Deck too.

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 13 2021, 01:15 PM


Attached thumbnail(s)

More information based on a couple of renditions available in the public domain

4. Existing road access via Damansara Perdana
3. Loop over Sky Deck to front side of Empire City
2. Loop over Sky Deck to back side of Empire City
1. Existing underpass that runs under LDP

If this comes to fruition, then there will be options for future DCP residents to conveniently link up to LDP or DASH or
Penchala SPRINT

P.S. From attached image no. 1 you can also see that road no. 3 has a direct access ramp off into DCP for LDP heading north

This post has been edited by when2meets2boy: Oct 13 2021, 01:30 PM


Attached thumbnail(s)

Again... as I have mentioned in my previous post... I only look at official sources and I give my opinion only on things that have either confirmed to be true or at least on a "planning" stage by the developers...

However... you keep attacking me on a personal level... calling me a hypocrite and saying I have some sort of motive just because I don't support your imagination or speculation on something the developer them self did not commit?? What kind of bullshit is this??

After so many post... and being so confident about the sky deck... you can't even provide me any sort of evidence apart from constantly saying that you've seen it being constructed... I'm not an unreasonable person.. I won't deny for the sake of denying... if you could show me proof that there is a construction board stating "pembinaan sky bridge" or an official statement from the developer.... then at least you are not just backing up what you claim for the sky bridge is true but also providing a solid piece of information to the readers here..

Even if the sky bridge thing is true... there is ZERO correlation between the bridge and your waterfall park or whatever park you want to call it..

Don't just tell everyone that you saw some pillar in the middle of the road and then start claiming it is a sky bridge or try to present something vague based on information that are not credible...

Says the guy who keeps imagining and speculating things that the developer did not officially announce..

Don't say that I am putting words in your mouth cause I can quote all your speculation right here...









Letting your imagination run wild yea?? From a park to a clift with waterfall... and then an adventure park for rock climbing...

If the artist impression is an official document release by the developer then yea... good... might not happen since plan can be changed but I won't argue on the reason why it won't happen cause at the very least it is an official plan by the developer..

However...as mentioned before.... the artist impression is not even official... it is not used by the developer anywhere and the developer did not claim that there will be a park being built there...

at this point... I am done replying your posts...

from starting till now... not a single piece of information you've presented is from any credible or official sources...

all vague information obtain from 3rd party agents... and then you would start to justify and "explain" like you are one of the contractor

enough is enough.... until the developer release something... or until someone manage to snap a photo of the construction board proving either the park or sky bridge... I think we are done here... stop speculating.. stop imagining..

Look in the mirror man. And read my posts diligently

In short, you attacked and made accusations. I merely posited an opinion about the potential of the rock face artist impression I explained and questioned your motivations

Go figure. The sky deck construction is so big and so prominent it's hard to miss. You're a facts guy right, before you open your mouth and shoot your guns, go do a site visit

I brought up the sky deck because it can be correlated to a point you insist if making, you posited that "no developer will spend the money to build something they cannot sell". The sky deck is precisely this investment that the developer is making despite it not even in any official brochures for the phase 1 to 4

In fact the sky deck only exists in artist impressions

Like I said, it is not the end until the fat lady sings. You're in actual fact missing the forest for the trees. It is true that a developer will act if it makes business sense. And to me, the sky deck makes perfect business sense, so too for the even much cheaper facilities that can be built on the rock face that makes up the artists impressions that you are so anal about

Like I said, I have been clear that I am making deductions based on the opportunity value of the rock face

In contrast you're making bold claims of IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN based on deductions. So much for evidence and facts.