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Home Networking Ditch ONU, use GPON SFP on Business Grade Router, 2.5G ONU for Unifi & Maxis, NO NEED VLAN

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post Aug 27 2022, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 14 2022, 06:02 PM)
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Can you keep using the factory firmware or need special one?
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post Aug 27 2022, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 27 2022, 03:15 PM)
Hahaha, my 2 years of hardwork to get it working, also thanks to lwk523 and izhamsatria for 2.5Gb testing on Allo and Unifi

1. SFP NIC just fine, most used market and modified Intel SFP+ NIC on AliExpress appear to work, if you plan to 2.5Gb, choice of SFP+ card is limite, one guy from italy manage to work with DELL SFP+ 2.5Gb

2. You can try login FiberHome HG6240A via 192.168.1.1 I believe, need fiber to be disconnected and reboot (prevent OMCI Provisioning take place)

if you have 800Mbps or 1Gbps, you need strong single core performance, because PPPoE is not multi-threaded, many router like Asus, Ubiquiti, Mikrotik has Hardware Accelerated PPPoE
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Got it, my local link will be 10gb to my NAS, probably not to the broader internet, so it should be fine to obtain PPPoE lease from TM only.
And is there any known ID/passwords combination for FibreHome HG6240A? Google searching didn't return much. And I'll keep that in mind when speccing the system notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 27 2022, 03:15 PM)
Hahaha, my 2 years of hardwork to get it working, also thanks to lwk523 and izhamsatria for 2.5Gb testing on Allo and Unifi

1. SFP NIC just fine, most used market and modified Intel SFP+ NIC on AliExpress appear to work, if you plan to 2.5Gb, choice of SFP+ card is limite, one guy from italy manage to work with DELL SFP+ 2.5Gb

2. You can try login FiberHome HG6240A via 192.168.1.1 I believe, need fiber to be disconnected and reboot (prevent OMCI Provisioning take place)

if you have 800Mbps or 1Gbps, you need strong single core performance, because PPPoE is not multi-threaded, many router like Asus, Ubiquiti, Mikrotik has Hardware Accelerated PPPoE
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Hahahx biggrin.gif Also must thank to you and only we all can share info on this thread. thumbsup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(asellus @ Aug 27 2022, 04:50 PM)
Can you keep using the factory firmware or need special one?
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try with stock firmware version first, if didn't work in TM fiber, try use firmware version 220304 or 220414

QUOTE(yenchenje @ Aug 27 2022, 06:02 PM)
Got it, my local link will be 10gb to my NAS, probably not to the broader internet, so it should be fine to obtain PPPoE lease from TM only.
And is there any known ID/passwords combination for FibreHome HG6240A? Google searching didn't return much. And I'll keep that in mind when speccing the system  notworthy.gif
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have you try tmadmin, Adm@XXXX ?
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post Aug 28 2022, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 28 2022, 12:16 AM)
try with stock firmware version first, if didn't work in TM fiber, try use firmware version 220304 or 220414
have you try tmadmin, Adm@XXXX ?
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XXXX being last 4 digit of the S/N of the ONU box I assume? I have not, I'll give it a try when my family members isn't around to use the internet tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yenchenje @ Aug 28 2022, 01:46 AM)
XXXX being last 4 digit of the S/N of the ONU box I assume? I have not, I'll give it a try when my family members isn't around to use the internet  tongue.gif
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Last 4 hex digit of MAC Address
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post Aug 28 2022, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 28 2022, 12:36 PM)
Last 4 hex digit of MAC Address
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Oh, won't it only be 16 digits in HEX form? And your like original post on the first page has the 20 digits PLOAM password right? Or does it not matter as long as the password is correct in HEX form?

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QUOTE(yenchenje @ Aug 28 2022, 09:56 PM)
Oh, won't it only be 16 digits in HEX form? And your like original post on the first page has the 20 digits PLOAM password right? Or does it not matter as long as the password is correct in HEX form?
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my bad,

for login into ONU, try this:

tmadmin
Adm@XXXX

where XXXX is last 4 digit hex in capital letters,
if you see got write like this: Usr@DE1A
just change Usr to Adm

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post Aug 29 2022, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 28 2022, 10:26 PM)
my bad,

for login into ONU, try this:

tmadmin
Adm@XXXX

where XXXX is last 4 digit hex in capital letters,
if you see got write like this: Usr@DE1A
just change Usr to Adm
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Alright I've tried that combination and is indeed working and have gained access to the ONU management page, now I just need to convert the Adm@XXXX into HEX form for PLOAM password right? And also for VoIP, is it the same deal as yours TM-Maxis connection?
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QUOTE(yenchenje @ Aug 29 2022, 12:45 PM)
Alright I've tried that combination and is indeed working and have gained access to the ONU management page, now I just need to convert the Adm@XXXX into HEX form for PLOAM password right? And also for VoIP, is it the same deal as yours TM-Maxis connection?
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VoIP should be same procedure, if didn't work, need find correct User-Agent for Unifi
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 29 2022, 01:25 PM)
VoIP should be same procedure, if didn't work, need find correct User-Agent for Unifi
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From the settings I've gathered from GPON ONU, it looks similar to your Maxis VoIP address for the gateway, ins.tm.com.my and all the port being 5060, and that's basically it, the proxy is also a private IP, looks like there's gonna be quite some fiddling that needs to be done as my family uses VoIP from time to time, and porting it over from ONU box seems hard, and not like your Maxis VoIP Archer C5v settings

Also has anyone here tried to build a PFSense/OPNSense box properly? Have you found out which card works with GPON ONU SFP? So far I've found a few cards that might work on eBay, I'd list the cards but at the end of the day it's just all chipsets doing the heavy lifting. Mellanox ConnectX-3, Broadcom BCM57810S, Intel 82599, BladeEngines 3 (BE3) Emulex, Solarflare SFC9120 are the ones that I can find, but on the official github page, the only one tested with PCIe is just BCM57810S, but what about the other ones? I know that the Intel X540 has the SFP MAC module not supported issue, other than that is there any other known issues with certain chipset?

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QUOTE(yenchenje @ Aug 29 2022, 04:25 PM)
From the settings I've gathered from GPON ONU, it looks similar to your Maxis VoIP address for the gateway, ins.tm.com.my and all the port being 5060, and that's basically it, the proxy is also a private IP, looks like there's gonna be quite some fiddling that needs to be done as my family uses VoIP from time to time, and porting it over from ONU box seems hard, and not like your Maxis VoIP Archer C5v settings

Also has anyone here tried to build a PFSense/OPNSense box properly? Have you found out which card works with GPON ONU SFP? So far I've found a few cards that might work on eBay, I'd list the cards but at the end of the day it's just all chipsets doing the heavy lifting. Mellanox ConnectX-3, Broadcom BCM57810S, Intel 82599, BladeEngines 3 (BE3) Emulex, Solarflare SFC9120 are the ones that I can find, but on the official github page, the only one tested with PCIe is just BCM57810S, but what about the other ones? I know that the Intel X540 has the SFP MAC module not supported issue, other than that is there any other known issues with certain chipset?
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Unifi VoIP need to try and more testing,
I maxis customer, I have time to time to check and test...

most PCIe SFP is limited, require some hack to make it work, I think better use Mikrotik or Ubiquiti for highly compatible most SFP module.

most ONU SFP are in base-X and SGMII, even RTL960x can emulate fiber Transceiver, but I can't confirm that work on manu PCIe SFP
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QUOTE(Anime4000 @ Aug 29 2022, 05:09 PM)
Unifi VoIP need to try and more testing,
I maxis customer, I have time to time to check and test...

most PCIe SFP is limited, require some hack to make it work, I think better use Mikrotik or Ubiquiti for highly compatible most SFP module.

most ONU SFP are in base-X and SGMII, even RTL960x can emulate fiber Transceiver, but I can't confirm that work on manu PCIe SFP
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The thing is with Mikrotik/Ubiquiti. unless I fork out an insane amount of money, it's basically near impossible to get a cheap 10GBe capable device, there's QNAP/ASUS/Netgear as the cheaper and more home friendly option, but as the only device that'll be capable/need to be 10GBe is just my NAS and or my PC, and it'll be doing at most streaming media locally. The highest bitrate content that I have access to currently is still just 70mbps, which for gigabit is still more than sufficient, but as I also have home surveillance running, hence the idea of getting a 10GBe link to it.

But as it's still only 1-2 devices at max, a single X540-T2 RJ45 is more than enough for my use. And I also do have a POE 8 port switch, to handle my cameras. There's the XG-U2008 but no point to just get that for the two 10GB port when the other 8 won't really be used.

My usage will mostly be consisting of.
5 LAN devices (PC GBe, NAS GBe, CX65 100MB, Tuner Box 100MB, HikVision 100MB Camera)
2 Wired AP Backhaul (1 PoE AP, 1 Wired AP)
Rest of the devices are all wireless (2 Wi-Fi 5 AP, 1 Wi-Fi 6 AP)

That's basically a full job for even my current 8 port TP-Link PoE switch. At most I'll just upgrade to a 16 port PoE switch down the road (I use a lot of PoE). I plan to size down my current setup to a 2/3 plug at most setup. Currently it's ONU, Router, Switch (Routing seperate VLAN to free up port on router), PoE switch, NAS to probably just router/PoE switch (Throwing VLAN seperation onto the poe switch if possible when I upgrade), or an AIO NAS/router setup with Proxmox.

If there's a need to test it then I guess the only choice is to just get the broadcom one as it's been proven to work. And just not get anything that isn't X540 rclxub.gif


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hello, I have not much knowledge on networking.

is there something like ONU+router all in one unit?
like old time ADSL modem+router combo?
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Sep 1 2022, 11:14 AM)
hello, I have not much knowledge on networking.

is there something like ONU+router all in one unit?
like old time ADSL modem+router combo?
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Got, TIME Fibre is using those.

But if you're interested in replacing your current setup to a 2in1 I think most ISP's can't and won't help you
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QUOTE(PRSXFENG @ Sep 1 2022, 12:19 PM)
Got, TIME Fibre is using those.

But if you're interested in replacing your current setup to a 2in1 I think most ISP's can't and won't help you
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i am new to fiber (actually fiber coming soon to my home, ya after these year)
thats why i ask this question. so if the device i mention exist, i can plan for it now.
less problem later
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Sep 1 2022, 12:26 PM)
i am new to fiber (actually fiber coming soon to my home, ya after these year)
thats why i ask this question. so if the device i mention exist, i can plan for it now.
less problem later
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for a typical installation you will get 2 items

the Modem/ONT, which is ISP property and you must return it to the ISP after you end your subscription
Most people never touch this and just use it as is and is good enough for most people
This is where the fibre cable connects to

then, a router is provided which plugs into the ONT via Ethernet, this one is your's to keep after the 2 year contract for most isps
most people replace this with their own as the isp provided one isnt great

some isps like TIME to save cost/save space/save power provide an all in one solution, 1 box, directly connects to fibre

This thread is for enterprise tier where you can plug fibre directly into a sfp module on your own custom router setup

For your use case, I'll recommend you just stay with having 2 items
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Sep 1 2022, 11:14 AM)
hello, I have not much knowledge on networking.

is there something like ONU+router all in one unit?
like old time ADSL modem+router combo?
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This thread is an example of "If you don't know anything even in layman terms, you probably don't need it."
So far almost all ISP provides you with 2 devices by default, ONT/ONU box to terminate your fibre into a signal your router can understand, and the router for the actual PPPoE, AP, etc etc. I have seen AIO boxes that has the fibre directly connected into the router itself but those are rare and replacing those are super hard. But if your ISP provides you with two boxes, you can just swap the router given to you out quite easily.

Most people here wants to ditch ONU boxes due to the extra plug that it takes up hence extra power consumption, also you can assume if you're investing upwards of 1k in network gear, you'll most definitely have a UPS. And with UPS comes limited power plug and limited battery capacity to keep their internet up and running even in an event of blackout.

Hope this clarifies why people are doing it this way and why you probably again, don't need to do any of this. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(PRSXFENG @ Sep 1 2022, 12:51 PM)
for a typical installation you will get 2 items

the Modem/ONT, which is ISP property and you must return it to the ISP after you end your subscription
Most people never touch this and just use it as is and is good enough for most people
This is where the fibre cable connects to

then, a router is provided which plugs into the ONT via Ethernet, this one is your's to keep after the 2 year contract for most isps
most people replace this with their own as the isp provided one isnt great

some isps like TIME to save cost/save space/save power provide an all in one solution, 1 box, directly connects to fibre

This thread is for enterprise tier where you can plug fibre directly into a sfp module on your own custom router setup

For your use case, I'll recommend you just stay with having 2 items
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I see and understood your explanation.
so that All in One(ONT+Router) combo only exist in enterprise grade device or got consumer grade out there (maybe another thread for that kind of discussion?)
Willing to know.

thank you.

QUOTE(yenchenje @ Sep 1 2022, 03:28 PM)
This thread is an example of "If you don't know anything even in layman terms, you probably don't need it."
So far almost all ISP provides you with 2 devices by default, ONT/ONU box to terminate your fibre into a signal your router can understand, and the router for the actual PPPoE, AP, etc etc. I have seen AIO boxes that has the fibre directly connected into the router itself but those are rare and replacing those are super hard. But if your ISP provides you with two boxes, you can just swap the router given to you out quite easily.

Most people here wants to ditch ONU boxes due to the extra plug that it takes up hence extra power consumption, also you can assume if you're investing upwards of 1k in network gear, you'll most definitely have a UPS. And with UPS comes limited power plug and limited battery capacity to keep their internet up and running even in an event of blackout. 

Hope this clarifies why people are doing it this way and why you probably again, don't need to do any of this.  rclxms.gif
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Yes, I understand that logic.


'If you don't know anything even in layman terms, you probably don't need it' this depend on people.
With no offense, I literally try to decrease the device (not power consumption wise), because current i got 2 streamyx and 1 4G. if i use modem+router config, that will be 6 device filling up my desk.
With incoming fiber plus my friend not far away from me have issue with unifi. i probably will left another streamyx for a while, maybe keep it.

not expert for all these thing, but i try to keep my build as simple as it be.

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Sep 1 2022, 12:26 PM)
i am new to fiber (actually fiber coming soon to my home, ya after these year)
thats why i ask this question. so if the device i mention exist, i can plan for it now.
less problem later
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My method GPON ONU SFP + RB5009 become PON Router meanwhile Wireless AP in another device.

I merge ONU and Router into one device, one plug,
I try to reduce number of plug socket because UPS has limited number of socket

I haven't measure stock ONU power consumption, based on standard DC rating, usually they use around 12V 1A not sure how much AC to DC conversion lost

SFP only using 3.3V and sip power from SFP Host (Router), there will be single AC to DC conversion lost, I believe it extends UPS Uptime while I safely shutdown home lab server.

another thing is, look tidy when Fiber connect directly to Router,

also, TM cannot disable ONU WebGUI, you can read TX and RX dBm power, easy to troubleshoot...

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