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lifebalance
post Jun 18 2020, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(encikbuta @ Jun 18 2020, 12:10 PM)
so i've reading up a lot of US-based personal finance books and there seems to be a common theme on insurance, i.e. "insurance is for protection only, not investment".

This got me thinking about my insurance choices. I'm 35 yrs old and i have the following 2x GE plans with the listed riders for about 10 yrs running now. They are all investment-linked which I understand is a mistake?

SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2 (RM270/month)
- SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2
- Critical Illness Benefit Rider
- Smart Early Payout CriticalCare
- IL Comprehensive Accident Benefits Xtra Rider
- IL Waiver of Premium Plus
- Smart Medic (SM150)

Great Early Triple Care Special (RM100/month)
I have quite a bit net worth with me that I'm pretty sure I can do without life insurance. My EPF & cash investments are 4x more than my life insurance sum assured. However, I do believe I still need medical and disability insurance. My question is, do you think it's worth for me to restructure my plan so I can:
- Remove the life insurance and investment portion
- Retain (& even upgrade) the medical & disability insurance portion

And what is the best way to go about doing it?

I didn't bother asking my insurance agent because he'll just tell me to retain everything and buy more policies  dry.gif
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Hi there

Good to hear that you have good awareness about your personal finances.

I always believe that you should maximize your coverage so that you don't utilise your personal assets or savings should there be any problem arise such as health, disability or accidents.

With that being said I don't know much about you now personally so the reply will be quite general.

The best way to go about is to do a overall review. That being said, get someone who is independent and non bias who can do that for you.
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post Jun 18 2020, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(encikbuta @ Jun 18 2020, 12:10 PM)
so i've reading up a lot of US-based personal finance books and there seems to be a common theme on insurance, i.e. "insurance is for protection only, not investment".

This got me thinking about my insurance choices. I'm 35 yrs old and i have the following 2x GE plans with the listed riders for about 10 yrs running now. They are all investment-linked which I understand is a mistake?

SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2 (RM270/month)
- SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2
- Critical Illness Benefit Rider
- Smart Early Payout CriticalCare
- IL Comprehensive Accident Benefits Xtra Rider
- IL Waiver of Premium Plus
- Smart Medic (SM150)

Great Early Triple Care Special (RM100/month)
I have quite a bit net worth with me that I'm pretty sure I can do without life insurance. My EPF & cash investments are 4x more than my life insurance sum assured. However, I do believe I still need medical and disability insurance. My question is, do you think it's worth for me to restructure my plan so I can:
- Remove the life insurance and investment portion
- Retain (& even upgrade) the medical & disability insurance portion

And what is the best way to go about doing it?

I didn't bother asking my insurance agent because he'll just tell me to retain everything and buy more policies  dry.gif
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As you mentioned, insurance is for protection, not investment. Life insurance is a form of protection as well, so there is no need to reduce the life insurance portion.

There are some benefits to have some form of life insurance:

1. Life insurance money will not be frozen and will be passed to your beneficiaries for use immediately.
2. Using small periodical payments to exchange for large payout.
3. Considering you are just age 35, life insurance is to make sure that your family can maintain the same standard of living (daily expenses, children's education fund, parents' expenses, etc) if you were to pass away tomorrow.
3. Rule of thumb is to have life insurance coverage 10 times your annual income.

Looking at your policies in medical card as well as GETC (without looking at the sum assured), it looks like you are covered quite well in terms of medical insurance as well as critical illness.
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post Jun 18 2020, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(encikbuta @ Jun 18 2020, 12:10 PM)
so i've reading up a lot of US-based personal finance books and there seems to be a common theme on insurance, i.e. "insurance is for protection only, not investment".

This got me thinking about my insurance choices. I'm 35 yrs old and i have the following 2x GE plans with the listed riders for about 10 yrs running now. They are all investment-linked which I understand is a mistake?

SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2 (RM270/month)
- SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2
- Critical Illness Benefit Rider
- Smart Early Payout CriticalCare
- IL Comprehensive Accident Benefits Xtra Rider
- IL Waiver of Premium Plus
- Smart Medic (SM150)

Great Early Triple Care Special (RM100/month)
I have quite a bit net worth with me that I'm pretty sure I can do without life insurance. My EPF & cash investments are 4x more than my life insurance sum assured. However, I do believe I still need medical and disability insurance. My question is, do you think it's worth for me to restructure my plan so I can:
- Remove the life insurance and investment portion
- Retain (& even upgrade) the medical & disability insurance portion

And what is the best way to go about doing it?

I didn't bother asking my insurance agent because he'll just tell me to retain everything and buy more policies  dry.gif
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You can engage an independent financial advisor to conduct a review. They would charge you a fee for doing so but at least you have an independent review.

I have done so for my own family and engaged Whitman Independent Advisors. You can check them out.
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post Jun 18 2020, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 16 2020, 10:45 AM)
Sure why not?

But normally group insurance premium are much cheaper than personal insurance as the coverage offered is lower hence the cheaper premium charged.
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In this case the group insurance is charged quite high due to high claims ratio. As such as there savings if I were to take out my own personal medical card with the cash saved by company.

QUOTE(Cyclopes @ Jun 16 2020, 12:41 PM)
It's a tax deductable expenses for the company.  It's one way of keeping the staff loyal to the company too.
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Giving the cash to me as an allowance is also tax deductible for company.


I'm looking at 2 options presented to me, either Allianz or Prudential. The way I see it, Allianz is about 20-30% more expensive than Prudential, (although depending on how often u claim vs not claim, the % will vary as Allianz has no claim refund and Prudential has RM300 deductible), but generally speaking I can see a slight advantage in Allianz for medical card and better advantage for critical illness compared to Prudential which may explain its higher COI. Is this finding a consensus or am I missing something >.<
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post Jun 18 2020, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Jun 18 2020, 02:38 PM)
In this case the group insurance is charged quite high due to high claims ratio. As such as there savings if I were to take out my own personal medical card with the cash saved by company.
Giving the cash to me as an allowance is also tax deductible for company.
I'm looking at 2 options presented to me, either Allianz or Prudential. The way I see it, Allianz is about 20-30% more expensive than Prudential, (although depending on how often u claim vs not claim, the % will vary as Allianz has no claim refund and Prudential has RM300 deductible), but generally speaking I can see a slight advantage in Allianz for medical card and better advantage for critical illness compared to Prudential which may explain its higher COI. Is this finding a consensus or am I missing something >.<
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True since it's sponsored by the company.

You won't be able to compare apple to apple as 2 products features are not the same especially with deductibles.

Have you even considered other companies ?
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post Jun 18 2020, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 18 2020, 02:42 PM)
True since it's sponsored by the company.

You won't be able to compare apple to apple as 2 products features are not the same especially with deductibles.

Have you even considered other companies ?
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Yes it is never apple to apple due to the way they all structure it differently. Throw in no claim bonuses/refunds vs deductibles, it makes it even harder to simulate.
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post Jun 18 2020, 08:39 PM

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how much difference between smoker or non smoker policy? How about someone has quit smoking 10 years ago, can declare as non smoker?
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post Jun 18 2020, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Jun 18 2020, 08:39 PM)
how much difference between smoker or non smoker policy? How about someone has quit smoking 10 years ago, can declare as non smoker?
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As long as >1 year didn't smoke can consider as non smoker already.

Price difference depends on your age as well. Normally if you're younger i.e age 20 - 30, the price difference is like maybe RM10 - 20 monthly, but as you grow older, the gap difference is bigger, can be easily 200 - 500 monthly in difference.

So there is no fixed %
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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Jun 18 2020, 08:39 PM)
how much difference between smoker or non smoker policy? How about someone has quit smoking 10 years ago, can declare as non smoker?
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Basic factors explained.

I just add one more. I have seen some life policy quote no different smoker & none smoker.
But when you add in Critical Illness coverage. It will be big different especially covering huge amount.
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post Jun 19 2020, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jun 18 2020, 08:43 PM)
As long as >1 year didn't smoke can consider as non smoker already.

Price difference depends on your age as well. Normally if you're younger i.e age 20 - 30, the price difference is like maybe RM10 - 20 monthly, but as you grow older, the gap difference is bigger, can be easily 200 - 500 monthly in difference.

So there is no fixed %
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Oh, thanks for clarifying. Would the insurance company still check if want to make claims even though already declared as non smoker.
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post Jun 19 2020, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Jun 19 2020, 04:05 PM)
Oh, thanks for clarifying. Would the insurance company still check if want to make claims even though already declared as non smoker.
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normally won't check, base on your honesty during declaration.
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post Jun 19 2020, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(GagaRemix @ Jun 16 2020, 03:32 PM)
Hi all, I need some advice here. I recently purchased an insurance plan with my agent while I'm out of Malaysia. During the application process, I was told I need to do e-signature and indicate where I'm signing from. Despite I'm out of the country, my agent told me to put "Selangor", and keep my Malaysia residential address.

May I know if this is advisable to do so? Thanks.
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The Malaysian insurance contract must be signed in Malaysia otherwise its is null and void.

Even our agent contract forbids us to travel to Thailand to sell policies as our license is only applicable in Malaysia.

Remote sales or not, the insurance contract is only legally binding when it is signed in Malaysia.
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post Jun 19 2020, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Jun 18 2020, 08:39 PM)
how much difference between smoker or non smoker policy? How about someone has quit smoking 10 years ago, can declare as non smoker?
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If more than 1 year stop smoking, it is able to get non smoker rate

However if suddenly go back to smoking or is a smoker, then please declare as smoker and pay a higher premium.

The reason is that in the medical report, for lung cancer claims, the doctor will normally write the most likely cause of the cancer.

You do not want your claims to be declined, for non declaration of material fact.
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post Jun 19 2020, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(GE-DavidK @ Jun 18 2020, 02:08 PM)
As you mentioned, insurance is for protection, not investment. Life insurance is a form of protection as well, so there is no need to reduce the life insurance portion.

There are some benefits to have some form of life insurance:

1. Life insurance money will not be frozen and will be passed to your beneficiaries for use immediately.
2. Using small periodical payments to exchange for large payout.
3. Considering you are just age 35, life insurance is to make sure that your family can maintain the same standard of living (daily expenses, children's education fund, parents' expenses, etc) if you were to pass away tomorrow.
3. Rule of thumb is to have life insurance coverage 10 times your annual income.

Looking at your policies in medical card as well as GETC (without looking at the sum assured), it looks like you are covered quite well in terms of medical insurance as well as critical illness.
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I see a lot of online life insurance covered up to 500k only. How to buy 10 times of annual income? Does it mean buy multiple life insurance?
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post Jun 20 2020, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jun 19 2020, 11:58 PM)
I see a lot of online life insurance covered up to 500k only. How to buy 10 times of annual income? Does it mean buy multiple life insurance?
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You may choose to buy multiple term policies or cover all under one investment link policy which is normally cheaper
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post Jun 20 2020, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(encikbuta @ Jun 18 2020, 12:10 PM)
so i've reading up a lot of US-based personal finance books and there seems to be a common theme on insurance, i.e. "insurance is for protection only, not investment".

This got me thinking about my insurance choices. I'm 35 yrs old and i have the following 2x GE plans with the listed riders for about 10 yrs running now. They are all investment-linked which I understand is a mistake?

SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2 (RM270/month)
- SmartProtect Essential Insurance 2
- Critical Illness Benefit Rider
- Smart Early Payout CriticalCare
- IL Comprehensive Accident Benefits Xtra Rider
- IL Waiver of Premium Plus
- Smart Medic (SM150)

Great Early Triple Care Special (RM100/month)
I have quite a bit net worth with me that I'm pretty sure I can do without life insurance. My EPF & cash investments are 4x more than my life insurance sum assured. However, I do believe I still need medical and disability insurance. My question is, do you think it's worth for me to restructure my plan so I can:
- Remove the life insurance and investment portion
- Retain (& even upgrade) the medical & disability insurance portion

And what is the best way to go about doing it?

I didn't bother asking my insurance agent because he'll just tell me to retain everything and buy more policies  dry.gif
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Yes you can restructure your investment linked policy to retain the medical card. However for events such as disability (TPD), it's attached to your life policy. Thus removing the life insurance may not be the best option.

My reading of US based personal management books also says you should be insured for Xx numbers of your productive years. This is assuming they don't have saving like your good self. Not sure if your current net worth sufficiently meets that need.


QUOTE(Barricade @ Jun 19 2020, 11:58 PM)
I see a lot of online life insurance covered up to 500k only. How to buy 10 times of annual income? Does it mean buy multiple life insurance?
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You don't have to buy multiple term life to meet your '10 times of annual income'. One investment link policy can meet your needs.
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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Jun 19 2020, 04:36 PM)
If more than 1 year stop smoking, it is able to get non smoker rate

However if suddenly go back to smoking or is a smoker, then please declare as smoker and pay a higher premium.

The reason is that in the medical report, for lung cancer claims, the doctor will normally write the most likely cause of the cancer.

You do not want your claims to be declined, for non declaration of material fact.
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Roy, I always wanted to know for smokers that quit after 10 years , casual smoking one or two in one month will insurance company find out when declared under non smoking?
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post Jun 20 2020, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(CoronaV @ Jun 20 2020, 11:13 AM)
Roy, I always wanted to know for smokers that quit after 10 years , casual smoking one or two in one month will insurance company find out when declared under non smoking?
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Smoking leaves recent residues in your lungs, you can cheat yourself but you can't cheat a doctor who autopsy your body. Why risk trying to get your claims reject just because for some extra payment right ?

This post has been edited by lifebalance: Jun 20 2020, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(Barricade @ Jun 19 2020, 11:58 PM)
I see a lot of online life insurance covered up to 500k only. How to buy 10 times of annual income? Does it mean buy multiple life insurance?
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Yes you can do so buying multiple life insurance. Take note that online life insurance sometimes have different length of coverage. If you are looking for cash value return, you can look at investment-linked policies where the coverage can be extended to whole life.

I wouldn't advise to go for 10 times annual income life insurance at one go. It would be more balanced to increase life insurance as well as critical illness coverage to improve your protection from all angles.


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Hi guys, what insurance plans is best for a woman at 40 yrs old with 02 kids age 17 and 13?

Should she get term insurance till 99yrs for herself and ILP insurance for her 2 kids? What add ons do you recommend?

Their whole family members do not know anything about medical insurance and only goes to govt hospital and so far no issue with payments saying its affordable and maybe because they are bumi. How best to explain this insurance things with them?

Thanks in advance guys

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