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post Apr 7 2021, 09:25 AM

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There's a middle ground here. Just put sex and gender in our identity cards. I'd be behind that. Add details on our blood type too for good measure. sweat.gif

I know some of our local trans activists are fighting to remove religion from their identity cards because they are sick of being subjected to the discriminatory syariah laws. So the aforementioned demands would just be an extension of that.
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(nefashu @ Apr 7 2021, 09:22 AM)
Bro, I live with some friends who is pondan for many years. He is my housemate. He is a fine man at day. but during night, he will crossdress and always go lepak at Zouk. He is muslim mind you. He tell me that even does he lustful to men and has no feeling toward women, he still a man. If he died, he want to be buried as a man.

Sex cannot be change. Gender? well suite yourself.
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Someone can enjoy cross-dressing and still identify as a man.
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:30 AM

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From what I see, LGB has no issue with gender. Only TQ+.

Dress all you want. I might not like it, but I cant stop it. But to change the biological sex to something else, that is very unscientific.

Science and logic should be used to judge not feeling
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:28 AM)
Someone can enjoy cross-dressing and still identify as a man.
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Yes that what I say.
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(nefashu @ Apr 7 2021, 09:31 AM)
Yes that what I say.
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Oh okay. I thought you're citing your friend as the representative of trans community or somethign.
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:25 AM)
There's a middle ground here. Just put sex and gender in our identity cards. I'd be behind that. Add details on our blood type too for good measure. sweat.gif

I know some of our local trans activists are fighting to remove religion from their identity cards because they are sick of being subjected to the discriminatory syariah laws. So the aforementioned demands would just be an extension of that.
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Its important for biological sex in ID. Because it will affect law. If transwomen rape another woman, will it be rape or sexual assault?

What is description of transwomen? male without penis or male identify as women?

for muslim, trans people will be trial as cis male or cis female since there are 2 set of law for male and female.





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post Apr 7 2021, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(James Moriarty @ Apr 7 2021, 09:35 AM)
if a doctor need to prescribe a solution that makes a difference whether the patient is a male/female, i am under the impression that a check is needed..like for example, actually holding out the said patient's penis if assuming that is the problem that needs to be dealt with.

unless you're giving me a scenario where the patient was born male..but is a trans that already have his penis removed....and if yes, i dont see how that penis could still be a problem that needs to be dealt with

but you might have better scenario/example..so shoot..so we can discuss
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If trans person does not remove the genitalia, it will be helpful to the doctor. but person like Sajat for example, he totally looks like women inside outside
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:33 AM)
Oh okay. I thought you're citing your friend as the representative of trans community or somethign.
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That my experience with Trans people. no one can say he/she represent the trans people. trans issue is still under discussion
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:45 AM

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Let's recognise basic trans rights first in Malaysia and then we shall cross all these medical/legal/ethical bridges when we get to them. sweat.gif
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:45 AM)
Let's recognise basic trans rights first in Malaysia and then we shall cross all these medical/legal/ethical bridges when we get to them. sweat.gif
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what is trans basic can you define it?
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post Apr 7 2021, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(nefashu @ Apr 7 2021, 09:57 AM)
what is trans basic can you define it?
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Freedom of expression, right to work without being discriminated against, right to basic access to health care, etc... All of these are in line with SUHAKAM's focus area.
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 10:08 AM)
Freedom of expression, right to work without being discriminated against, right to basic access to health care, etc... All of these are in line with SUHAKAM's focus area.
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right to work without being discriminated against and right to basic access to health care, didnt every person has this right?


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post Apr 7 2021, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(nefashu @ Apr 7 2021, 10:16 AM)
right to work without being discriminated against and right to basic access to health care, didnt every person has this right?
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We should be. But apparently trans people in Malaysia still not treated the same as average Malaysians. The discirmination that they face has been well-documented by various NGOs throughout the years;

"... health workers ogled and commented on their bodies, refused to touch them, or touched their sexual organs unnecessarily, and that they were placed in male or female wards without regard for their gender identity."

"Most [transgender women] work on the streets as prostitutes because they don’t have any choices. Most are not highly educated. Most have been rejected from jobs. … "

Source: https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/09/24/im-sc...people-malaysia
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 10:24 AM)
We should be. But apparently trans people in Malaysia still not treated the same as average Malaysians. The discirmination that they face has been well-documented by various NGOs throughout the years;

"... health workers ogled and commented on their bodies, refused to touch them, or touched their sexual organs unnecessarily, and that they were placed in male or female wards without regard for their gender identity."

"Most [transgender women] work on the streets as prostitutes because they don’t have any choices. Most are not highly educated. Most have been rejected from jobs. … "

Source: https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/09/24/im-sc...people-malaysia
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Perhaps the government need to issue special card to transgender. that will help. but, only for real transgender with medical prove.

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post Apr 7 2021, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(nefashu @ Apr 7 2021, 10:31 AM)
Perhaps the government need to issue special card to transgender. that will help. but, only for real transgender with medical prove.
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I second on the proper documentation part. Not sure what you mean about real medically-proven transgender though. sweat.gif
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post Apr 7 2021, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 10:33 AM)
I second on the proper documentation part. Not sure what you mean about real medically-proven transgender though.  sweat.gif
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some people are not trans. They try to become the opposite sex because of trauma or accident.

have you heard about de-trans people?
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🇺🇸 Lil Nas X's "Montero (Call Me By Your Name)" Is Now The No. 1 Song In The US
Source: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer...-billboard-no-1

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Lil Nas X has reached the top, again.

On Monday, the 21-year-old rapper's "Montero (Call Me by Your Name)" debuted at No. 1 on Billboard's Hot 100 chart, just over a week after he released the highly anticipated song and music video. It's his second No. 1 single after he rocketed to fame with "Old Town Road," which led the charts for 19 weeks in 2019.

Lil Nas X reacted to the news on Twitter, reflecting on the last two years — and the people who dismissed him as a one-hit wonder.

"y'all told a 19 year old who had just escaped the lowest point of his life that he would never have a hit again. you told him to stop while he's ahead," the rapper wrote. "he could've gave up. but 4 multi platinum songs and 2 #1's later, he's still here."

He followed up with a few more lighthearted tweets.



When he released "Montero," which is the rapper's legal name, he posted a note to his 14-year-old self, who had not yet come out as gay, saying that he hoped the song would "open the doors for many other queer people to simply exist."

"you see this is very scary for me, people will be angry, they will say i'm pushing an agenda," he wrote. "but the truth is, i am. the agenda to make people stay the fuck out of other people's lives and stop dictating who they should be."

Since its release, the "Montero" music video has drawn criticism from some, including conservative politicians, for its satanic imagery and explicit sexual undertones, to which Lil Nas X has had no shortage of responses.

After landing on the top of the charts on Monday, he had a particular message to the haters: "i want your tears to fill my grammy cup."
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post Apr 9 2021, 03:51 PM

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🇲🇾 Focus on inclusion, not alienation, in dealing with LGBT, Putrajaya told
Source: https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...putrajaya-told/

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PETALING JAYA: Suhakam has urged the government to reconsider its decision to impose heavier punishments for offences associated with the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community.

Commissioner Hishamudin Yunus said the best approach in dealing with LGBT individuals was to “help integrate them into mainstream society” by respecting their constitutional rights to equality, privacy and a life of dignity.

Speaking to FMT, the former Court of Appeal judge said it should not be acceptable to discriminate against the community or to treat its members as criminals.

He noted that it was not an offence to be a transgender under any of the state shariah criminal enactments and also that crossdressing was no longer a shariah crime in all states except Kedah, Kelantan, Perlis and Sabah.

Crossdressing is an offence only when it is done for immoral purposes such as prostitution.

Hishamudin proposed that Putrajaya consider drafting a law to recognise the existence of a third gender “so that transgender persons can live with dignity and be protected from discrimination and hate crimes”.

On Tuesday, religious affairs minister Zulkifli Mohamad Al-Bakri said Putrajaya would go ahead to increase sentencing limits in the Syariah Courts (Criminal Jurisdiction) Act 1965.

Under the existing act, shariah courts are empowered to impose maximum penalties of three years’ jail, a fine of RM5,000 and six strokes of the rotan.

Zulkifli told reporters the amendments would likely be tabled at the next Parliament sitting. He said the idea was to combat LGBT culture, which he described as being “against Islamic law and human nature”.

Lawyers for Liberty coordinator Zaid Malek called the move an instance of “misplaced priority” and said the government should be concentrating its energies on addressing the woes caused by Covid-19 instead of on suppressing LGBT culture.

He said the decision to impose heavier penalties was unjustified and “simply a way” for politicians to garner votes in the next general election.

“This specific focus on the LGBT community is concerning because they are a vulnerable group and they pose no threats to society, safe for the personal morals of certain individuals,” he said.

Zaid said it was far more important for Putrajaya to look at policies related to employment and wages.
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 10:33 AM)
I second on the proper documentation part. Not sure what you mean about real medically-proven transgender though.  sweat.gif
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A real transgender need to go through a series of psychological assessment and evaluation as well as full medical check up that includes physical examination and blood test. The psychological assessment done by the professional can tells whether a person thinking and behaviour is aligned with the gender of his/her choice. The blood test is also needed to ensure that the person hormonal level is reflecting the preferred gender.

All these are very important to make sure that the person is genuinely born as a transgender, not under the environmental influence or societal pressure. It is also to prevent perverts to make advantages on the name of ‘transgender’ to cause harassment.

Those who pass the above assessment will be given an acknowledgement letter from the doctor. Only those who has the letter should be allowed to use the opposite sex facilities and to proceed with the SRS.

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