Question, why need to call male as cis male and yet calling trans male is wrong?
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Apr 6 2021, 11:47 AM
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Question, why need to call male as cis male and yet calling trans male is wrong?
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Apr 6 2021, 12:00 PM
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Apr 6 2021, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 12:08 PM) I think it depends on context? If someone wanna refer to a group of trans people to discuss about their struggles, experiences, etc... by all means they can use the word. Otherwise I don't see a reason to treat trans people differently from cisgender people. In medical, it is important to know if the patient is biological male or female. male medicine and condition is different than women because we have different organ. the law that allow people to change gender on birth cert might backfired is case of emergency.I have a trans male friend and I just treat him as a regular guy. What is your take on that? |
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Apr 6 2021, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 12:34 PM) I remember using the word "bromance" when my parents asked me why I was too close with a guy from school. But sure... Its not about gender identities. Its about biology. A doctor might make a fatal mistake when operating a female patient identify as male if no one told the doctor about it. I'm all for trans rights. I don't claim to know a lot about "male/female medicine and condition" but people working in the medical sector should remember their Hippocratic Oath by treating everyone the same regardless of their gender identities and try to be as professional as they can. That why it is important to keep Biological sex in birth cert. |
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Apr 6 2021, 12:57 PM
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For example prostate cancer. its one of common killer for men.
Yet prostate cancer is very rare for women. too rare that it almost non existing. If a trans women got prostate cancer and she does not inform doctor about her original sex, the doctor may mistreat the cancer |
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Apr 6 2021, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:05 PM) I think you're nitpicking very rare situations to justify adding a single line in birth certificates. how do you think doctor know if the person is transman or women?If doctors are lousy enough not to do thorough examination, then that's just negligence on their part. when the patient look like a female and in the form sex: female. You might call it nitpicking. but it a real issue in medicine. Gender and sex should be separate in form |
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Apr 6 2021, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:17 PM) The government should put in place a policy that bans gender-discrimination in healthcare. Doctors should be educated to probe on their patient's gender identities regardless of what it says in the form. Patients should feel comfortable sharing their history of gender transition (if any). Etc... what do you mean by gender-discrimination in healthcare? care to give me one example?I agree it is an issue in medicine. But I disagree it should be resolved by following the status quo. "Doctors should be educated to probe on their patient's gender identities regardless of what it says in the form" The responsibilities to share the information fall to the patient. when you sign the, you agree that all the data you provide is truth. So if any medical complication come from your failure to disclose the info, the onus is on you. |
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Apr 6 2021, 01:26 PM
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Imagine if in accident and the only thing left is the ID. The doctor will assume the gender of the patient base on the ID
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Apr 6 2021, 01:36 PM
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Study about auto immune disease conclusion:
Eighty percent of all individuals affected by autoimmune disorders tend to be women due to variation within the sex chromosomes and hormonal changes. Currently, there are no known cures to autoimmune disorders. Doctor will take extra care not to give medicine that may cause auto immune to woman because of this. |
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Apr 6 2021, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:53 PM) I have read "How Drugs Affect the Sexes" "Eight of the 10 medications, including the allergy drug Seldane and the acid reflux drug Propulsid, put women at more risk of side effects than men." If patient in critical, doctor will try to avoid any medicine that have higher risk to patient. you can argue about gender and so on. but for medication, please dont lie to your doctor |
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Apr 6 2021, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:53 PM) In the US, 1 in 4 transgender people were denied equal treatment in health care settings. Cannot find a similar study in Malaysia, though. Because doctor is not almighty god who knows everything. infact, doctor might get sued for not treating patient based on information given.Patients have the reponsibility to tell the truth, yes, but we live in a society that views trans people differently besides all kinds of stigma. Why should doctors assume their patients are being truthful all the time? A doctor must perform due diligence and ask follow up questions. As a gay man, I'm not supposed to donate my blood but I donate my blood every 3 months anyway. I lie at the donation form all the time because in the blood donation process each sample is sent to the lab for HIV testing before the batch is accepted anyway. So far no one come knocking at my door to arrest me yet. If you are not sexually active its ok. If not, please get HIV test before donation. Im talking based on statistic. This post has been edited by nefashu: Apr 6 2021, 02:20 PM |
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Apr 7 2021, 09:05 AM
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Apr 7 2021, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE(James Moriarty @ Apr 7 2021, 09:09 AM) yes if the doctor never determine on the problem and proceed to apply a remedy Then tell me, how do doctor determine gender?having our blood type on our mykad is easy..but never done. and yet we dont see hospitals start transfusing blood without determiining what's the blood type. if a hospital or doctor do that, transfuse blood without determine blood type, got it wrong and killed the patient..is it the doctor's fault then? or the blame can be put into 'why blood type not being listed in mykad? why a mechanism was not applied to avoid this?'. |
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Apr 7 2021, 09:19 AM
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Apr 7 2021, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:12 AM) Bro, I live with some friends who is pondan for many years. He is my housemate. He is a fine man at day. but during night, he will crossdress and always go lepak at Zouk. He is muslim mind you. He tell me that even does he lustful to men and has no feeling toward women, he still a man. If he died, he want to be buried as a man.Sex cannot be change. Gender? well suite yourself. |
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Apr 7 2021, 09:30 AM
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From what I see, LGB has no issue with gender. Only TQ+.
Dress all you want. I might not like it, but I cant stop it. But to change the biological sex to something else, that is very unscientific. Science and logic should be used to judge not feeling |
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Apr 7 2021, 09:31 AM
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Apr 7 2021, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:25 AM) There's a middle ground here. Just put sex and gender in our identity cards. I'd be behind that. Add details on our blood type too for good measure. Its important for biological sex in ID. Because it will affect law. If transwomen rape another woman, will it be rape or sexual assault?I know some of our local trans activists are fighting to remove religion from their identity cards because they are sick of being subjected to the discriminatory syariah laws. So the aforementioned demands would just be an extension of that. What is description of transwomen? male without penis or male identify as women? for muslim, trans people will be trial as cis male or cis female since there are 2 set of law for male and female. |
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Apr 7 2021, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE(James Moriarty @ Apr 7 2021, 09:35 AM) if a doctor need to prescribe a solution that makes a difference whether the patient is a male/female, i am under the impression that a check is needed..like for example, actually holding out the said patient's penis if assuming that is the problem that needs to be dealt with. If trans person does not remove the genitalia, it will be helpful to the doctor. but person like Sajat for example, he totally looks like women inside outsideunless you're giving me a scenario where the patient was born male..but is a trans that already have his penis removed....and if yes, i dont see how that penis could still be a problem that needs to be dealt with but you might have better scenario/example..so shoot..so we can discuss |
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Apr 7 2021, 09:39 AM
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