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nefashu
post Apr 6 2021, 11:47 AM

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Question, why need to call male as cis male and yet calling trans male is wrong?
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post Apr 6 2021, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 11:50 AM)
Who say it is wrong?
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Just from some twit I read last time,

the person say trans male is wrong, should call him male only
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post Apr 6 2021, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 12:08 PM)
I think it depends on context? If someone wanna refer to a group of trans people to discuss about their struggles, experiences, etc... by all means they can use the word. Otherwise I don't see a reason to treat trans people differently from cisgender people.

I have a trans male friend and I just treat him as a regular guy.
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In medical, it is important to know if the patient is biological male or female. male medicine and condition is different than women because we have different organ. the law that allow people to change gender on birth cert might backfired is case of emergency.

What is your take on that?
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post Apr 6 2021, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 12:34 PM)
I remember using the word "bromance" when my parents asked me why I was too close with a guy from school. But sure... sweat.gif
I'm all for trans rights. I don't claim to know a lot about "male/female medicine and condition" but people working in the medical sector should remember their Hippocratic Oath by treating everyone the same regardless of their gender identities and try to be as professional as they can.
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Its not about gender identities. Its about biology. A doctor might make a fatal mistake when operating a female patient identify as male if no one told the doctor about it.

That why it is important to keep Biological sex in birth cert.
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post Apr 6 2021, 12:57 PM

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For example prostate cancer. its one of common killer for men.

Yet prostate cancer is very rare for women. too rare that it almost non existing.

If a trans women got prostate cancer and she does not inform doctor about her original sex, the doctor may mistreat the cancer

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post Apr 6 2021, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:05 PM)
I think you're nitpicking very rare situations to justify adding a single line in birth certificates. sweat.gif

If doctors are lousy enough not to do thorough examination, then that's just negligence on their part.
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how do you think doctor know if the person is transman or women?

when the patient look like a female and in the form sex: female.

You might call it nitpicking. but it a real issue in medicine.


Gender and sex should be separate in form


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post Apr 6 2021, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:17 PM)
The government should put in place a policy that bans gender-discrimination in healthcare. Doctors should be educated to probe on their patient's gender identities regardless of what it says in the form. Patients should feel comfortable sharing their history of gender transition (if any). Etc...

I agree it is an issue in medicine. But I disagree it should be resolved by following the status quo.  sweat.gif
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what do you mean by gender-discrimination in healthcare? care to give me one example?


"Doctors should be educated to probe on their patient's gender identities regardless of what it says in the form"

The responsibilities to share the information fall to the patient. when you sign the, you agree that all the data you provide is truth. So if any medical complication come from your failure to disclose the info, the onus is on you.

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post Apr 6 2021, 01:26 PM

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Imagine if in accident and the only thing left is the ID. The doctor will assume the gender of the patient base on the ID
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post Apr 6 2021, 01:36 PM

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Study about auto immune disease conclusion:

Eighty percent of all individuals affected by autoimmune disorders tend to be women due to variation within the sex chromosomes and hormonal changes. Currently, there are no known cures to autoimmune disorders.

Doctor will take extra care not to give medicine that may cause auto immune to woman because of this.

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post Apr 6 2021, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:53 PM)
What sort of accident? Is the gender of the patient relevant in treating the patient?
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I have read "How Drugs Affect the Sexes"

"Eight of the 10 medications, including the allergy drug Seldane and the acid reflux drug Propulsid, put women at more risk of side effects than men."

If patient in critical, doctor will try to avoid any medicine that have higher risk to patient.

you can argue about gender and so on. but for medication, please dont lie to your doctor
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post Apr 6 2021, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 6 2021, 01:53 PM)
In the US, 1 in 4 transgender people were denied equal treatment in health care settings. Cannot find a similar study in Malaysia, though.  sweat.gif

Patients have the reponsibility to tell the truth, yes, but we live in a society that views trans people differently besides all kinds of stigma. Why should doctors assume their patients are being truthful all the time? A doctor must perform due diligence and ask follow up questions.

As a gay man, I'm not supposed to donate my blood but I donate my blood every 3 months anyway. I lie at the donation form all the time because in the blood donation process each sample is sent to the lab for HIV testing before the batch is accepted anyway. So far no one come knocking at my door to arrest me yet. sweat.gif
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Because doctor is not almighty god who knows everything. infact, doctor might get sued for not treating patient based on information given.

If you are not sexually active its ok. If not, please get HIV test before donation. Im talking based on statistic.

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post Apr 7 2021, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(James Moriarty @ Apr 7 2021, 07:44 AM)
that is true if the doctor is blind and mute, thus couldnt see to identify, and couldnt ask to determine
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so now its the doctor fault? why cant we think of a mechanism to avoid this
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(James Moriarty @ Apr 7 2021, 09:09 AM)
yes if the doctor never determine on the problem and proceed to apply a remedy

having our blood type on our mykad is easy..but never done. and yet we dont see hospitals start transfusing blood without determiining what's the blood type.

if a hospital or doctor do that, transfuse blood without determine blood type, got it wrong and killed the patient..is it the doctor's fault then? or the blame can be put into 'why blood type not being listed in mykad? why a mechanism was not applied to avoid this?'.
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Then tell me, how do doctor determine gender?
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:12 AM)
Just to be clear you just want both gender and sex in our identity cards right?
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sex must be on the card. I dont care about gender
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:12 AM)
Just to be clear you just want both gender and sex in our identity cards right?
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Bro, I live with some friends who is pondan for many years. He is my housemate. He is a fine man at day. but during night, he will crossdress and always go lepak at Zouk. He is muslim mind you. He tell me that even does he lustful to men and has no feeling toward women, he still a man. If he died, he want to be buried as a man.

Sex cannot be change. Gender? well suite yourself.
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:30 AM

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From what I see, LGB has no issue with gender. Only TQ+.

Dress all you want. I might not like it, but I cant stop it. But to change the biological sex to something else, that is very unscientific.

Science and logic should be used to judge not feeling
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:28 AM)
Someone can enjoy cross-dressing and still identify as a man.
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Yes that what I say.
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:25 AM)
There's a middle ground here. Just put sex and gender in our identity cards. I'd be behind that. Add details on our blood type too for good measure. sweat.gif

I know some of our local trans activists are fighting to remove religion from their identity cards because they are sick of being subjected to the discriminatory syariah laws. So the aforementioned demands would just be an extension of that.
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Its important for biological sex in ID. Because it will affect law. If transwomen rape another woman, will it be rape or sexual assault?

What is description of transwomen? male without penis or male identify as women?

for muslim, trans people will be trial as cis male or cis female since there are 2 set of law for male and female.





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post Apr 7 2021, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(James Moriarty @ Apr 7 2021, 09:35 AM)
if a doctor need to prescribe a solution that makes a difference whether the patient is a male/female, i am under the impression that a check is needed..like for example, actually holding out the said patient's penis if assuming that is the problem that needs to be dealt with.

unless you're giving me a scenario where the patient was born male..but is a trans that already have his penis removed....and if yes, i dont see how that penis could still be a problem that needs to be dealt with

but you might have better scenario/example..so shoot..so we can discuss
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If trans person does not remove the genitalia, it will be helpful to the doctor. but person like Sajat for example, he totally looks like women inside outside
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post Apr 7 2021, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(internaldisputes @ Apr 7 2021, 09:33 AM)
Oh okay. I thought you're citing your friend as the representative of trans community or somethign.
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That my experience with Trans people. no one can say he/she represent the trans people. trans issue is still under discussion

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